Let people do their own thing, PLEASE READ

Ok, im not the best modeler by any means tho i think i have some talent, and some fresh ideas as i think that about many other people on this forum.

BUt one that has really pissed me off since ive been here, every one seems to talk shit about any thing thats different in ANY MATTER WHAT SO EVER


I would like your skyline but since your tailights ARENT THE SAME LIKE EVERY ONE ELSES AND YOU JUST WANTED TO BE DIFFERENT I THINK IT SUCKS

no one said that but thats the feeling im getting from soem people, that a lot of people dont like different stuff, since some guys doing a car with a blackwidow back piece its stupid, or if some one is doing a car with different material, he sucks.

Come on people, were all here to build models, i see a lot of great models of cars that i USUALLY HATE but i actually think they look good

im tryin to say that not every body is into the same thing, tho most people do about the same thing, when any body does any thing different, out of the ordinary, they seemed to get slammed about their model, a great progress thread that ive been looking at since ive returned, has been about a civic, under most circumstances i HATE civics but this one is awesome, pure genious, and people are calling it rice, nothing that could even be desribed as rice are even on this car. and then people talk shit about it cuz he doesnt use a certain kind of putty, WTF? WTF PEOPLE, hell people can use what they want, and in the end it could look completely awesome.


am i making some sense here?

what im trying to get across is that modeling is modeling, its about doing stuff YOUR WAY, like burger king.

You all should be prasing people for stepping out of the JDM box and doing some thing different, cuz it gets boring when every model car built on here is the exact same thing except for color.

does every one get what im saying? or am i not making sense at all, didnt i already type this, its too late for this

I do agree, I think that when somebody posts pics on here, it's to help them see if they need to change anything, like deepen panel lines, or fix a gap, not to see who else likes it. AND, I Whole-Heartedly agree with the point of being able to let people do things their way, with any tools, and supplies that they so choose. cool it with the "this stuff is better, so use it" crap, it gets old

*steps off soapbox* :screwy:

These forums are to help, not thrash others, and no, I don't want to be flamed by anyone for this. I mentioned no names, and no posts.

Again, just help each other! :biggrin: :sunglasse :biggrin:

i know exactly what you mean :)a dn frankly i agree completely

its about doing stuff YOUR WAY, like burger king.


AMEN!!!! :evillol:

oh, and as a fellow modeller from another site says:

"An artist is one who is critical of his own work. An Asshole is a failed artist who is critical of other's work."

Look, just as the builder is allowed to like what they like, the judging public is allowed to like what they like. Once you post a model, it's up for scrutiny. You'll have people who'll make personal opinion statements about aesthetics, and you'll have people who'll make observations about techniques they see as not working well.

Nine times out of ten, too, it's constructive criticism. There's very little of a "JDM Box" here on AF. There are a lot of JDM builders, but that's hardly the building consensus.

And if this is the runaround, then I'll be blunt. You're being far too sensitive.

I never meant to sound like an ass when I was suggesting a different putty. Builders build for themselves, I was just trying to help a builder out. Yes I went over the deep end a little but that is in my character. I am neurotic, and a bit of a control freak.

I will be watching this thread closely as it may be too opinionated.

Very valid point there, as Tonio once said "Build for yourself; nobody else matters!!!" this should also work in the opposite way... something like "People build for themselves; what you think doesn't matter." Seriously, I too am getting tired of people getting bashed for how they do things, or what they do. This goes back to preschool guys, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Although it is ok to criticize when it's asked for, don't go over board. Yes, by posting your photos, you're subject to criticism, but not the same type of criticism over and over...

<==hopes noone is talking about me

i agree completly

One thing to remember is that taste is one of thoose matters that can't really be measured. Everyone has their opinion about what's hot and what's not, and there has to be someone on both sides of the scale. But I could shure wish for people to be more constructive in their critics, not just belch out the negative, but also try to appreciate the work put in there. Because that is something everybody on this forum should know about, since we all are modelers....aren't we? And hey, if there was no one that dared to be different and try something new we would all still be living in caves, try to build a model under thoose circumstances!

Thats's my two cents.
Niclas

if iwas being over sensitive id be sitting her ODing on my zoloft and crying

what im trying to say lets act like grown ups, half of the people on here are at least "young adults" and we should act like, and yes i understand that youre up for criticism when you post your pics, true, but theres a line between criticism and bashing,

This is a public fourm your not always gonna be happy when it comes to something and the public because people are to open about what they think and there opionion and all, i do agree though that the tone of some post could be turned down, some stuff out there is harsh, but hey no one is perfect we do our own thing and thats what we do, just think about all those people who will never get the chance to build a model or even be on a computer, be glad you have a place to place you opinion and a place to show your work. That should never be disrespected, because we are so lucky to have what we do and the ablility to do what we do, you have a talent here, use it to your ability be creative, and never give up trying new ideas.

There is a line between criticizing and bashing. I like critiques of my models, I like people to point out mistakes I make or a better way to do it. That's why I share (though, I think I am starting to share to impart knowledge as well). If someone says "It's ugly because your wheels suck," I just ignore it, water off a duck's back. I like those wheels, I think it looks good.... though, if enough people say so (including people whose opinions I respect) then I might rethink it... that's why I post.

What gets my goat is "Don't do that, do this!" in that sort of commanding, condescending way. Just wait... the model might rock, you don't know yet.

Anyway, this sort of thread shows up from time to time, people stop posting any negative comments, the forum is lame for a bit, then we all wise up and start making constructive criticism again and some people get flustered and then someone says something stupid and it sets off the flustered guy and the cycle repeats.

Point is, make constructive criticism, or be ignored. We, in general, do in fact build for ourselves. I've rarely seen anyone change their mind after someone "bashed" their model. Since that's not happening, since there aren't actually a bunch of clones of the same car on AF right now (go check the in progress section, there is an amazing variety of cars there!), I think this whole point is rather moot at the moment (not to say that it's not a valid point.)

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Not much else to say except that you are compltely RIGHT!!!!

think about all those people who will never get the chance to build a model or even be on a computer, be glad you have a place to place you opinion and a place to show your work. That should never be disrespected, because we are so lucky to have what we do and the ablility to do what we do, you have a talent here, use it to your ability be creative, and never give up trying new ideas.

thats an excellent point :thumbsup:

I to add my voice, I have not been on this forum for that long, but I have nothing but good things to say about its members. I have read posts in other threads and thought hmmm that comment was over the top but in my threads I have had nothing but praise and very helpfull comments.
Thanks to all who have contributed to my threads and to the AF guys and Mods for keeping this place running.

This topic may have hit on a nerve...and it has got to do with how I came into AF and began this hobby with more dedication...

How It Began?
I already liked scale modelling as a hobby when I was like 10 years old. And that was like 20 years ago. During that time I struggle everything by myself because other than the scale model kit instructions which some are in English, the rest of the tools and paints, are mostly Gunze products which are in Japanese labels and instructions, and I don't even know what the hell is a rubbing compound.

How It Ended Thanks to Assholes?
I was a child back then. And the next closest thing to getting advices other than the general departmental stores is to visit hobby shops. In those days, I cannot afford to purchase many of the tools and paints in the shops because they are expensive and I don't know what the hell are their usage anyway. And when I asked around (shop assistant or scale model kit builders), most of them are pretty disinterested to give advice or guidance. I also have the impression that scale model building and painting techniques are a commodity and a secret that the experts are unwilling to share. However, they are all eager to "spit" on your work.:disappoin I have met some who are sarcastic, condescending and worse of all, unwilling to share their so-called "secrets" with you, to improve on your work which they've "spitted" at.

How It Started Again?
I only began "really" building and painting scale models (and I start with a car) is because I found AF. And I found the FAQs section. And I found virtual friends too. And that was 2 years ago. Today, I hope to continue scale modelling as a hobby, on or off, to the rest of my lifespan. And I promised myself to share as much as I can, from whatever I learnt from others or discover by myself, to others. :smile:Unless, I know that person is an "asshole" type (u get what I mean). :nono:

One of the greatest inspirations I've got were from some of the moderators here. And P-man, tonioseven and kunta were some of the friendliest experts around (they are many others too).


The Problem of Resistance
Some people, once they have got used to doing something, it becomes a habit and a "standard" of what they do. I do observe that it may be "difficult" for some to accept another way of doing something to achieve the same outcome. It would be alright if they would keep their minds open. But for some, they would attempt to "correct" others, which may still be alright if it is politely presented. And then, there are those who would downright "criticise" for the pure sake of doing it.

And whether it being a public forum, or meeting real people in the public, or in your work place, there will always be all kinds of character, and then there are some which are jerks to others, whether intentionally or not intentionally. Thats a universal law.

Nevetheless, the general virtual "atmosphere" of AF Modelling are of nice people who are willing to share. Nobody wants to be an asshole anyway. Another problem, which is very common, is misunderstanding through the interpretation of statements. And for those few exceptions where clearly behaving as an asshole is their dream career, its where the forum moderators will step in to kick their butts. :icon16:

This topic may have hit on a nerve...and it has got to do with how I came into AF and began this hobby with more dedication...
*etc, etc...*

Amen brotha, couldn't have said it better myself...

I'm a member of many forums, but I will say that this forum has the BEST atmosphere for acceptance and trying out new ideas. If you truly believe the people on this forum are really close-minded and one-sided, I might suggest visiting other boards to get a feel for how they treat one another. Keep up the great work guys!

"It's just a hobby, don't take it too seriously...............Then it becomes a job"

I agree totaly... and some times it is better to keep your mout chutt that say what you realy think. but i think that everybody haves the right to say whatever they want to say.

I must say that the maiority here on AF is verry help full and nice to talk to.;)

I agree totaly... and some times it is better to keep your mout chutt that say what you realy think. but i think that everybody haves the right to say whatever they want to say.

I must say that the maiority here on AF is verry help full and nice to talk to.;)
you are right because everybodys comments mean somthing but then again when you dont type a reply back it hurts the owner of that model too.he gets to thinking about what you guys are thinking,trust me ive been there and i dont have the tools or shops to go and buy stuff that i need to make these things look good when i first came here i tryed to impress ppl like many others here on AF and i got hit with "constructive critizim" to make my models look better but really that was the best i could do AF helps and hurts alot of ppl guys we need to try and control that i hope this thread makes some of the new ppl understand the diffrence between "constructive critizim" and "bashing",while teaching them to ignore the bashers. :disappoin

Never try to impress others; try to impress yourself. I kind of agree with what Supratuner/Joey said at the beginning of the thread. It's supposed to be for fun but I guess that went out the window a long time ago around here. I have nothing more to say as it seems kind of pointless.:disappoin

Excellent point Tonio, trying to impress us is just a one way ticket to madness (and not the corner complex at Mid-Ohio, either).

Build the cars that you like, the way you like. If someone can suggest a way to make an honest to god improvement in your models or make the building process easier for you (like the switch from tube glue to liquid cement, or getting a polishing kit with wet sanding cloths) then it pays to listen to their heads up.

But you don't have to get all flustered and fidgety just because someone doesn't like the wheels on your model. Heck, sometimes it's not even because it doesn't look good. I went through a few week period where I was giving Andy Jones grief about using Pegasus wheel sleeves on ALL of his models. I doubt I'm the reason he hasn't been using them as much recently, but it was simply because I thought he was in a rut and was running out of ideas.

Be different, be unique, and be willing to listen to what some of our top guys have to say. We're here to help. You don't have to take that help if you don't want, but getting defensive about folks wanting to help you out isn't going to score you any brownie points either.

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Thanks to all AF members! I've really improved my english here! :lol:


But I'm much more impressed by your http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/yugosmilie.gif (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&s=#) !!!! :D

(thanks for your diversity, skills, kindness and sense of humour too! I can't tape so many english words in a day, so I tried to express myself with few words... I hope I won't be misunderstood! I realise everyday how a wonderfull place AF can be! This thread is just an example of this fact...)

Seems like my suggestion about putties is earning me lots of friends...

Seems like my suggestion about putties is earning me lots of friends...

Which thread are you refering to? I haven't seen it...(can't read everything, just 24 hours a day!) But I wonder how a putty suggestion can be taken that bad! I feel it's nice that everybody gives his prefered tools, because brand names and products may vary from countries to others, and it's always good to know "someone has tried this one or this other one, and it works!"...

Misunderstanding or question of mood?...

:2cents:

I'm with Joey. It has been said before by a moderator in the particular forum that criticism (sp?) should be limited to that which is constructive. How long did that last? I don't think it lasted a day. That's why I don't bother posting much here anymore. No one can do thier own thing without someone trashing it.

99% of the post I read just say :eek: and impressive, nice, clean, wonderfull, more pics please, awesome,...
Even when the first poster says that it's the worse kit he's ever made! ( http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=243732 )

I haven't posted on AF in quite a while, but after viewing some of the current posts I see there is quite a bit of bashing going on. I do however, agree that constructive criticism is needed. I wish there was an AF to give me pointers when I first started modeling. I agree with SchuberT, if I don't have any suggestions I don't make any comments.

"That's all I have to say about that." -Forrest Gump