Exhaust Horsepower Increase

because.....?

I can't believe this thread is still going, that's the only reason I posted here...

that's funny korrrray u still didn't answer my question in fbody v6's are such crap, where u live??? RACE ME BITCH!!! ..... and for all u rknowledge it wasnt just the mustang that took maros and fbirds off the roads, it was also the vette. GM wanted to b able to (beef up) shorten up and widen the fbody frame and use it for 05 and newer vettes with the ls2 motor. They knew that many people in the market wanted vettes and with sales of maros and fbirds declining they saw an opening in the higher priced market the vettes lay in. .........once again tho i will say ........that's funny korrrray u still didn't answer my question in fbody v6's are such crap, where u live??? RACE ME BITCH!!!

i said i live in maryland (about 5 times) in this thread squirrel nuts.
also aint no corvette person gonna think about buying a damn pontiac. you are so wrong about that, its the mustangs that put f-bodys out not the vettes.
Look at people who drive corvettes and look at firebird owners they are completely different class of people.

also front drive to, making it pick up faster, no differentials to worry about
I got a really good laugh out of this one. It shows how little you actually know about cars. Yes, your car DOES have a differential. It's built into the transmission, but it's still a diff. How do you think the single output shaft of the tranny gets to your two halfshafts? And I guess all the top fuel dragsters and funny cars have been doing it wrong driving the rear wheels all these years (yes, dragsters are an extreme example, but aren't they the best accelerating cars you'll find?)

If front wheel drive is so great then how come you don't see any fwd Ferraris or Lamborghinis?

chickenkicker, there is a big difference when you are accelerating with 150 hp and accelarating with 400 hp. I know that with regular cars in street front wheel is a big advantage.


for weirdoslam( you even spelled your nickname wrong but anyway)
if you know anything about physics(obviously you dont) , the rear wheel drive differential is longer than the type of differential you are talking about. The longer you take the power from point A to point B, more time it takes to deliver the amount + the more power you lose along the way.

But again, in ferraris and high powered cars, because you have so much power you can waist some, and wouldnt matter to lose a small portion of the power.
heres a small math for the high school drop-outs,
10 hp loss/ 160 hp is not equal to 10 hp loss/400 hp. 1/16 is a lot larger of a loss than 1/40. ok?
(oh, the numbers are only made up, dont come with actual hp losses at the wheels and try to prove my point wrong)
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And this is a reason why the damn rally cars in europe ( not all race in mud, so its not only for traction) have front wheel drive small engines. ( they have classes like 1.6l class, 1.8l class........)

Again, you make me laugh. As far as the name, spelling it normally wouldn't be weird, now would it? Now if you want to discuss physics, I'm game. I believe you're referring to driveshafts, not differentials (that is a set of gears to redirect the turning of the DRIVESHAFT to the turning of the axles). The diffs are larger, and therefore have more mass to turn, but as far as length, they are only a couple of inches larger in the fbodies than the imports. And yes, I do realize the driveshaft also adds mass to have to turn. The only loss you would have with the longer shaft (not counting mass) would be a slight torsional twist to both axles and driveshaft, which would be insignificant. Now let me introduce you to the physics called wieght transfer. Have you ever seen a car or motorcycle do a wheelie (I know you have, I'm just being irritating)? Because the wieght of the vehicle is above the friction point (tires meeting the road), said wieght shifts to the rear wheels and away from the front wheels. With your mastery of physics, you should be able to see that with less wieght on the front wheels, you can't get as much traction (less pressure to create friction). Again, this is why the drag racers power the rear wheels, 'cause that's where all the wieght shifts to (more pressure to create friction).
On to the Ferraris. Are you familiar with the term mid-engine? The engine and trans are right together, almost like your Mazda, except further back in the car for better wieght balance (closer to the rear, did 'ya notice?). And as far as the rally cars, the most dominating cars are all-wheel drive, such as Audi Quattros. Do you see how all the best cars use rear wheel drive, in one form or another? I hope this has been informative for you.
By the way I'm a mechanic with 15 years experience. What credentials do you have (other than reading Import Tuner Magazine)?

im a student at UM mechanical engineering, and im sorry for the differential-driveshaft confusion, they call the part thats called driveshaft, differentials in europe and thats where i lived for 13 years. So, when i said differentials first time, i meant "the driveshaft you are talking about"
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most rally cars i saw in europe were front wheel drive such as fiats and fords/renaults/citroens/peugots/seats.... and more
the only all wheel drive ones were i think the subarus and audis. But im sure there are couple more.
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i have never read import tuner magazine.
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also you can not spell the words that have "ie" in them
weird not wierd
weight not wieght
its only in german rooted words that :i: comes before :e: and that makes a pronunciation of the "i" sound dominant, in english its written as "ei" making "e" pronounced earlier. Thats why weight is pronounced like "wait" and not like "white".

oh yea, i did get a laugh out of some mechanic who cant even spell.lol
(and he still thinks he spelled it right hahaha)

What happened to the physics debate? Slagging on my few spelling errors, because I DO know what I'm talking about? By the way waist is spelled waste, engineering student.

are we gonna proofread each other like in middle school now? only reason i told you about the ie stuff because it was your nickname.
where is the debate on physics? there is nothing to debate about, you are talking about best cars having rear wheel drive or close to being that, and i was talking about regular cars having advantage with fwd against regular cars with rwd. So whats the debate? you are giving me extreme examples like drag cars and stuff, you are trying to add apples and oranges like they are the same.

I've been spelling my nickname wrong on purpose for 20 years, I'm not going to change because you pointed it out. When trying to make me look dumb with the physics didn't work, YOU started in on the spelling. What's next? Algebra? Geography? I use the extreme examples because it is easier to see the difference. Even though regular cars are harder to tell the difference, the same physics still apply. Now to be insulting. How big is the wing on the back of your MX6, and how much faster does it make your car go?

lol, you are gonna insult me with a wing in the back of a mazda?lol , if thats insulting you can insult me all day, the wing on the back of my mx6 is about 12 inch high, and its from erebuni. I dont know how much faster it makes it, because its not for speed, its for that " import look". I also have the erebuni shogun all over body kit, maybe you can get a laugh out of that too.
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when did I ever try to make you look stupid? you told me I knew nothing about cars, and I just wrote the basic physics behind my point.
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I came to this conlusion because Ive had a 1991 mazda rx7 and I raced a 1993 mazda mx6 with 2.0 4 cylinder. rx7 had 160 hp and mx6 had ~130hp. The mx6 took of a lot quicker than me. I had the same problem against integras and celicas when I had my 88 trans am, they would take off quicker, then I told this to the service advisor at pontiac(I worked there for 18 months) and he told me that, the "driveshaft"rear wheel drive was slowing these cars down, and thats why even GM does not make rear wheel drive cars anymore (except muscle cars).(one other reason is of course traction)
After I bought my v6 mx6, i saw that front wheel drive is quicker off the line, (much better than my rx7).
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Now, to be insulting, how much smoke does that GM puff out when you start the engine? lol.
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lol, you are gonna insult me with a wing in the back of a mazda?lol , if thats insulting you can insult me all day, the wing on the back of my mx6 is about 12 inch high, and its from erebuni. I dont know how much faster it makes it, because its not for speed, its for that " import look". I also have the erebuni shogun all over body kit, maybe you can get a laugh out of that too.


:rofl:

Come on, korrrray, you're making this too easy.
Your wing actually slows your car down. Look up "drag coefficient" in your physics book.
"if you know anything about physics(obviously you dont)" Don't make assumtions about what I know (ok, I did it,too). This is when you tried (and failed) to make me look stupid.
You're basing all this over such a small selection of cars? Your service advisor probably told you that to get you out of his face, and back to working on cars. The main reason for fwd in everything GM is price. It's cheaper to stuff all the engine and driveline into the car in one small package. Did you do any timed runs in your cars, or is this the "seat of the pants" method?
1990 GMC c1500 5.7L, 270,000 miles, original engine/never been rebuilt. Not one bit of smoke when I start it. Wasn't it you that told gmctruck that not all supras have problems, it might just be the one she owned? Ever thought that might be the case with your previous cars?
BTW, you need to contact several maufacturers. The Skyline, Audi, Golf, Evo, and AMG you were bragging on are all ALL WHEEL DRIVE! HURRY! They need to know they're all doing it wrong! Tell them they need to make them all FWD to be the fastest!

is anyone else insulted by the vette owners being a different class of people than the firebird owners?

I use to look down on the import crowd because I felt that the majorty were ignorant, not realizing that the coffee can and wing didn't help their performance, and sure wasn't attracting any ladies. I especially liked the remark of you can dress up a fat ugly girl, but in the end she is still fat and ugly. Well, clearly your ignorance shows through your big mouth. Imports are not at all eye appealing(Japanese that is). German cars are wonderful, if they weren't so expensive. These "body kits" that you put on look extremely awkward and weird. They stick the front and rear bumbers like a mile out, whats with that, its ugly. I have to give you rice burners a hand on your painting abilities, but you don't put them to good use. You paint such colors as orange, and bright green. If those colors weren't stock on the car, such as a bright green Challenger, then don't paint them 'cause they don't belong. To cover for the whole "Quality Issue", I just wanted to say that I restore cars. My current project is an old 1949 Custom coupe in need of some TLC. Part of this TLC includes sheetmetal. I know a man that works for the local Chevrolet dealer, and he said he could get sheetmetal for me for free. They just had a lot of hail cars, so there was plenty of scrap. The first piece I got was a GM van top which was strong, and barely showed hail damage. The next three pieces included two American tops, and one Toyota trunklid. I needed a panel for the floorpan(budget car) and when I went to cut the piece with the air chisel, it bent every which way. I got the piece cut out, removed it from the glue, and waved it slightly to see just how cheap it was. It sounded like it was about a 30 gauge steel. The hail damage showed so badly in this trunklid. It really amazed me at the difference in quality from Japan to the good ole' US of A. It reminded me why I never bought a foreign car, THERES NO QUALITY! I joked to my friend working with me that the hammer-size dents were probably large rain, and that if it were to be caught in the same hail storm as the domestics, it would have made holes in it. Anyway, if you like your car, leave it to yourself and we'll leave you alone. It may not be my cup of tea, but I won't bother you(or other tuners) about their cars. It's whatever floats YOUR boat, not everyone elses, so don't rip on American cars just becuase it isn't your style. Hope you listen, and think before you write.

cndctrdj:

I was. Maybe not Vette and Firebird people, but domestic and import (cough cough, mazda6) people. :iceslolan

Everyone else:

Oh ,and i am happy to say that i have never lost a race to an import, more then that, never been beaten off the line. EVER! In the TA, the 96 GMC sierra (sorry dudes, i cant lie, it was a POS) or my 2 jeep cherokees. Do you know why that is? I guess you COULD say it was RWD and that all the weight in the car wanted to shift to the back causing the rear wheels to have more friction and therefore be less able to spin, but my own theory is that even if they had been FWD they would have won because of LOW END TORQUE!! Imports dont have any. they rely on higher RPM's and/or turbos to create power. look on almost any random import stat page, better yet do a survey of a lot of them. the horsepower is almost always higher then the torque levels. this is bad for drag racing. take for example the honda s2000. a pretty nice car all around, kinda quick (still wouldnt trade it for the TA) but look down to the HP and torque numbers:
HP: 240 (thats pretty nice for a light car)
Torque: 162? (yuck, even did a double take on that one)
(and for fun) Weight: 2835

TA:
HP: 305 (maybe a little short for all you people who love or own the LS1)
Torque: 345 (look fellas, more torque then horsepower)
weight: 3500

S2000: 11.8125 lbs per horse
TA: 11.4754098... lbs per horse

as you can see, they are pretty evenly matched, except the s2000 has a 6 speed which everone knows puts down power to the pavement more effeciently then the 4 speed automatic that i am basing this on does.

every time i drag race an s2000, well, i win, i dont just win, i slaughter the poor guy. heres why...

for the s2000 there is 17.5 lbs for every 1 lb/ft of torque
for the TA there is only 10.1449... lbs for every 1 lb/ft of torque

im not even gonna get into why this is, or the details of what all this means becuase it would take forever, and of course someone would have to argue with me over some pointless detail and/or try to falsify what i have just typed. read it, its simple, everyone should be able to understand this if they have a basic knowledge of how engines work and physics.

i bid goodnight to you

-Drax

PS: no formal training whatsoever, just common sense.

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Man, I'm going to have to get thicker glasses after reading that one. That hurt my eyes. Can anyone translate that into a known language? :screwy: :biggrin: :banghead:

No, it's not possible to understand that mumbo-jumbo. He sure went to a lot of work to do it though, the whole capitalized, not capitalized thing. I hope it was a joke(please say it was). If that is so, then it was funny. If it wasn't, then I should cry. I say that Korray's comments were ignorance and that it is partially due to his being young (I am assuming, and apologize if I am wrong), but I thought about it, and that is no excuse. I am only 15, but I like to think that I have enough sense to have my own thoughts and brain, and not follow the crowd with whats "in" (i.e. the imports). I follow what I like, not what others like. If others like it, then thats great, but I don't build my cars to others visions, just to mine. So in the end, today's lesson is that you cannot blame your ignorance or lack of respect on your age, because it can be overcome with minimal work by YOU.

After looking at that post a second time, I was thinking it was someone poking fun at rice-boys, too. But just in case it wasn't, 1mp0rTl0v3R, your boy korrrray came here hatin' first.
Rod&Custom: Thanks for some intelligent posts, and showing that the younger crowd (I'm 35) can have a good attitude and some taste, without bashing others for prefering a different style. From my point of view, that's getting rarer all the time.

Heres some food for thought american cars get their parts from all over the world different parts from different countries and also imports aka domestics get parts from their car from different countries including the great us of a. and consider this import car makers have plants in america.

How many fucking pages back was this thread when you found it???

didnt this thread start out asking how much horsepower gain Arsenik111 would get with a new exhaust....arguing on the internet is like the special olympics....win or lose you're still retarded!!!NO OFENSE!!!!<-----hahahah. anyway who cares about whats better....congratulations if u like inports or civics....GO TO THE CIVIC PAGE GENIUS!!!!!

just so no one insults me on spelling...its imports not inports

I prefer domestics myself and I don't want to hear that imports are the end all beat all. Imports screw up too.With that out of the way I found this thread in a search engine search and found the topic interesting.

Well, if you found it interesting, then you should start a new thread on the topic. This threads a year old and pretty much everyone that posted in it no longer visits this site. Check the dates on the posts before you reply to a thread.

sorry only looked at the first and last pages cuz it a bunch of crap but just poin ting out that its a bunch of newbie :bs:

I put up a sticky, so members would not bring back old thread and yet, why is everyone bringing them back after years lately?. Blindxeyed is right, start a new thread and provide a link to the original thread if you find the subject so interesting. THREAD CLOSED