took out a kid at my shcool

allrighty....

1: he came off alittle cocky with his win and against import's, I have no problem with him or his story, so that's whatever.

2: I DRIVE A CRX!!!! I dont have a hatch anymore!!

3: Ive spent a total 2,150$ *including the car* to run low 14's and I can gurantee 13's I just need more track time I got 2 run's in with the nitrous...

and Cobra boy you can just kiss my nuts you go have fun with your cobra no one gives a shit

How many whp does it make? did you ever get it dynoed?

I will most likely get it on the dyno during summer.

jonnyboy isnt even worth any of our time, just ignore that dumb ass he obviously doesnt know shit

buddy you dont just buy a procharger for 5800 and expect to put it in your car and make it run 1400 HP or w/e you dream about without moddifing your whole engine so it can actually withstand that much power...thats THOUSANDS of dollars

This guy is nothing more then a :newbie:


And skyline :iagree:

true you would need fuel and ignition and all tour other systems upgraded but chey motors are really cheap to build really cheap

:wtf:

i'm just saying that there are a lot of upgrades that would go along with the blower, but parts for a chevy motor are really cheap

Ok guys obviously you cant get it through your head or you dont listen or whatever but i will lay it out real clear for you the motor im getting has all the stuff to run it at 38psi and make 1400+ hp these are the specs of my motor so look them over carefully so i dont have to walk you through it a thousand times:

383ci stroker small block fully balanced and blue printed
4 bolt main
bored over .030"
RRC forged 4340 3.75" stroker crank
6" Eagle 4340 H beam rods
Forged & Coated Mahle pistons with 10.1:1 compression
Childs & Alberts piston rings
Clevite bearings
Pete Jackson "noise" gear drive
Custom built hydraulic camshaft from rivers racing motors
Dart iron eagle 215cc heads
Harland sharp roller rocker with 1.6 ratio
Competion cams pushrods
Internally balanced

thats pretty stout

Who runs 10.1:1 compression with 38 psi of boost? That spell disaster to me, even if you run strictly race gas, which is hardly practical. You need low compression pistons, dude. And many suspension mods will be required in order to put down that much power, or you'll spin your tires forever. Dyno tuning will cost you $$. You'll need larger injectors and fuel pump to supply the needed amount of fuel. You'll need an intercooler of some sort to prevent knock and run boost of that amount. You will need some sort of engine management system for fine tuning, and you will probably need a larger radiator, as your engine and related components will be subject to much higher temperatures....

That'll put you over your $5800 price quote, man. I like your ride, its just that your views need to change or the flaming will continue.

1400hp is obtainable; however, you will need much more than engine goodies to reach that (lofty) goal.

Why do these always turn into Import vs. Domestic flamewars? That's bullshit, guys... :disappoin

so now your 383 makes 502hp?
but what happened to the 385 hp?

this is getting stupid, again.

i'm sorry, but you're going to have to be really careful with what you're saying about a car that i have intimate knowledge about.

it's no trick to go to some site and quote what parts are in your motor.


i'm just confused as to why you're quoting all these crazy things you don't have...

so regroup, b/c i'm backing you, and go through everything you've said... b/c you're making less sense the more you post...

so just clarify

so now your 383 makes 502hp?
but what happened to the 385 hp?

this is getting stupid, again.

i'm sorry, but you're going to have to be really careful with what you're saying about a car that i have intimate knowledge about.

it's no trick to go to some site and quote what parts are in your motor.


i'm just confused as to why you're quoting all these crazy things you don't have...

so regroup, b/c i'm backing you, and go through everything you've said... b/c you're making less sense the more you post...

so just clarify

he has the the fast burn 350 that makes 385HP. he is PLANNING on getting the 383 that makes 502HP. what makes it comfusing is that he talks about it in the sence that he already has the 383. but he doesnt. in one of his earlyer posts its was clear that he is planning on getting it, so if you missed that post or something then i would see why it is comfusing.

right...
i know all of that, which is what i asked him to clarify, which is what you just clarified...

assuming that his setup DOES exist, which, for now, is getting the benefit of the doubt from me.

Still though you guys are fighting a losing battle. Even if he spends another 5grand on parts hes still got everyone beat. I mean im not a V8 lover (I like all cars) but you got to give V8s credit...they make more power for the money. So just except it :rolleyes:

yeah thats all i can do is give him the benefit of the doubt also. i know that 1400HP is posible. but i also know what else will need to come along with it for it to work. for 5800 bucks you might have a engine and super sitting in your garage that is capable of making 1400HP. but what about your trans, rearend, driveshaft and u-joints, drive shaft loop, motor mounts, tires, hell rims for that matter, brakes, wheel studs and lug nuts, ignition to run everything corretly as previously stated, your car must be in complete working order (like front tire rod ends, and all your stearing stuff), all your body bushings need to be good along with the control arm bushings, and not to mention the body and chassie, and if you ever plan on running it at the track you still need more things like a cage, and with that much power if you dont have one i think your just nuts, especialy on a car like a nova. do you have sub frame connectors? cuz if not you are going to rip the front clip off the rest of the car. with the engine you have you should already have them though. now what about your suspencion. that is going to need lots of work too. and yet that are still many many things that i havnt mentioned that will need to be adressed before you can run that car. i uderstand you know you can get this much power from that engine and that super but the reality of it is, its not as easy or cheep as you think is going to be. if you get that engine and the super its not going to last very long. on that much boots with that enigne you might get two runs down a track and then its going to need work. the nova you put up the link for on in one of your posts has been built and worked on in one of the magazines i read. and the spacific day the were out running it in vagas that the picutere you saw came from do you know how many runs they made? i think they made like 2 or 3 runs and even they had a probelm. and they have enough money on hand that they can probably build 10 of those cars. so you know they put alot more money in it that you will, and yet they still had probelms. your talking about doing stuff that pro's spend thousands of dollars on the tuning alone before it even hits the streets. the reason you dont see very many cars like your wanting to build is because its not reasonable. most prople build cars for the street and a car like that is not a good chice to ever see the street. it can be done but who wants to drive there car to lunch one day and then as soon as they get home rip into the engine. who wants to do that. if your planning on a drag only car and have thousads of dollars sitting around to fix it and maintain it then i say go for it. but if you want a street car or something like that then hell you would probably be happy with just that 383. you dont know what 500HP feels like comparted to your 385. and even at 500HP you still have to do just about everything i mentioned above to get your car to stay together and work. (not trying to be mean so dont take it that way) but, honestly the best way i can put it is, get real. you gotta wake up. i mean you could do it yeah, but your looking at probably somewhere around 15-20,000 as oposed to your 5,800. and just for the fun of it you should call up that place that builds that 383 you want. ask them if it will stand up to 1400HP with 38, or 31 whatever it was, pounds of boots. i garante you they will say no and probably be laughing about it when you hang up. dont mean to burst your bubble and i would love for you to proove me wrong cuz i think it would be a bad ass car, by actualy building the car not saying that you can because im well aware of what can be done, and then let me know and i will drive the hour or so to come see it.

Last time I went to the drag strip, I saw a crapload of old domestics with gigantic motors running in the 7's...the only fast 6-cylinders I saw were a Supra running low 8's and a Grand National running low 7's...and the fastest 4-cylinder I saw was a highly-tuned Civic running low 10's...so I think it's obvious what the best choices are for drag racing. You need V8 power to compete. Even if you do have to spend a lot to get it to run, you'll still have the fastest car at the strip.

paragraphs are your friend... :rolleyes:

so now your 383 makes 502hp?
but what happened to the 385 hp?

this is getting stupid, again.

i'm sorry, but you're going to have to be really careful with what you're saying about a car that i have intimate knowledge about.

it's no trick to go to some site and quote what parts are in your motor.


i'm just confused as to why you're quoting all these crazy things you don't have...

so regroup, b/c i'm backing you, and go through everything you've said... b/c you're making less sense the more you post...

so just clarify

If you read my sig it says that i have a 350 that makes 385hp the motor that im saying has 502hp is the 383 that i am going to get. Im buying the 383 that makes 502hp but i dont have it right now, so you got those two things mixed up.

it's not that i got anything mixed up.
read what you've posted, it's not at all entirely clear.

which is WHY i asked YOU to clarify.
which you did.
thank you.

i'm sure i'm not the only one who was ready to raise the BS flag b/c everything wasn't congruent.

Last time I went to the drag strip, I saw a crapload of old domestics with gigantic motors running in the 7's...the only fast 6-cylinders I saw were a Supra running low 8's and a Grand National running low 7's...and the fastest 4-cylinder I saw was a highly-tuned Civic running low 10's...so I think it's obvious what the best choices are for drag racing. You need V8 power to compete. Even if you do have to spend a lot to get it to run, you'll still have the fastest car at the strip.

it also depends on what you want to compete in.

or what your PERSONAL preference is...

if i don't want to own and race a v8, then it's not the best option, is it?

yeah thats all i can do is give him the benefit of the doubt also. i know that 1400HP is posible. but i also know what else will need to come along with it for it to work. for 5800 bucks you might have a engine and super sitting in your garage that is capable of making 1400HP. but what about your trans, rearend, driveshaft and u-joints, drive shaft loop, motor mounts, tires, hell rims for that matter, brakes, wheel studs and lug nuts, ignition to run everything corretly as previously stated, your car must be in complete working order (like front tire rod ends, and all your stearing stuff), all your body bushings need to be good along with the control arm bushings, and not to mention the body and chassie, and if you ever plan on running it at the track you still need more things like a cage, and with that much power if you dont have one i think your just nuts, especialy on a car like a nova. do you have sub frame connectors? cuz if not you are going to rip the front clip off the rest of the car. with the engine you have you should already have them though. now what about your suspencion. that is going to need lots of work too. and yet that are still many many things that i havnt mentioned that will need to be adressed before you can run that car. i uderstand you know you can get this much power from that engine and that super but the reality of it is, its not as easy or cheep as you think is going to be. if you get that engine and the super its not going to last very long. on that much boots with that enigne you might get two runs down a track and then its going to need work. the nova you put up the link for on in one of your posts has been built and worked on in one of the magazines i read. and the spacific day the were out running it in vagas that the picutere you saw came from do you know how many runs they made? i think they made like 2 or 3 runs and even they had a probelm. and they have enough money on hand that they can probably build 10 of those cars. so you know they put alot more money in it that you will, and yet they still had probelms. your talking about doing stuff that pro's spend thousands of dollars on the tuning alone before it even hits the streets. the reason you dont see very many cars like your wanting to build is because its not reasonable. most prople build cars for the street and a car like that is not a good chice to ever see the street. it can be done but who wants to drive there car to lunch one day and then as soon as they get home rip into the engine. who wants to do that. if your planning on a drag only car and have thousads of dollars sitting around to fix it and maintain it then i say go for it. but if you want a street car or something like that then hell you would probably be happy with just that 383. you dont know what 500HP feels like comparted to your 385. and even at 500HP you still have to do just about everything i mentioned above to get your car to stay together and work. (not trying to be mean so dont take it that way) but, honestly the best way i can put it is, get real. you gotta wake up. i mean you could do it yeah, but your looking at probably somewhere around 15-20,000 as oposed to your 5,800. and just for the fun of it you should call up that place that builds that 383 you want. ask them if it will stand up to 1400HP with 38, or 31 whatever it was, pounds of boots. i garante you they will say no and probably be laughing about it when you hang up. dont mean to burst your bubble and i would love for you to proove me wrong cuz i think it would be a bad ass car, by actualy building the car not saying that you can because im well aware of what can be done, and then let me know and i will drive the hour or so to come see it.


longest post i've ever seen

longest post i've ever seen

LOL. yeah i didnt mean for it to be nearly that long, but i just kept typing alot. now ill make one even longer just for you... jk.

Ok guys i dont think the setup i have now will be able to run at 1400+hp but i have subframe connectors that i have fully welded on and there are these cheap ass ones i bought first that mount on the top of the wheel well and then mount to the fire wall. I have beffed up suspension all around i have heavy duty shocks in the front (dont know what brand bought them at napa) and then i have 70/30 street drags shocks in the back plus new leaf springs. Its got a brand new front sway bar and new bushings. If i actually went all out i was watching a TV show and they had a 69 nova (almost same setup as mine 68-72 novas where practically al the same). The project car was a draged out 69 they called it project super chevy nova they bought a full roll cage that mounted to the front clip then went back throught he fire wall and mounted to the back frame through the floor boards then contiuned back and went all the way to the back of the trunk were it mounted to the back of the frame. They put a n/a 572 which is the new motor chevy makes (i think im not sure if it;s chevy that makes it). So if i put about 2 grand more into my nova i think i could get it to hold together but im not sure, i dont want to end up as a pretzel laying on the track. Tell me what you guys think would happpen or any comments.

jonnyboy9012 if you think building a 1400hp or even a 700hp car is that cheap. then we would see 700hp cars all over the street. how many of them do you know of? how many of htem do you see driving around the streets? i mean its only $5800 dollars. who needs any other cars if its that cheap to build a car that fast.

Last time I went to the drag strip, I saw a crapload of old domestics with gigantic motors running in the 7's...the only fast 6-cylinders I saw were a Supra running low 8's and a Grand National running low 7's...and the fastest 4-cylinder I saw was a highly-tuned Civic running low 10's...so I think it's obvious what the best choices are for drag racing. You need V8 power to compete. Even if you do have to spend a lot to get it to run, you'll still have the fastest car at the strip.


Were u at and event race?? Cause those times you are seeing are ProStock times. And Those arent ordinary V8's. Those are well built crate engines. And a 10 sec 4 cylinder is damn impressive

yep there is one up here i seen run 10.8 and then 11.1 over and over again

Time's are getting lower for everyone.

I have a buddy with a crx with an all motor lsvtec that will run 11's once he gets the bugs out and its a street car.

hes gone 12.3's so far and for him it wasent costly he built the motor himself and the car was cheap

that project super nova also had a full cage, big ace slicks, a fuel cell, and a 502 pushing out massive hp...
you need some light weight wheels on that puppy, makes a difference, and get REAL slicks, you'll be surprised.

3000GTracer: I was at a test and tune at the LVMS drag strip...I don't know what ProStock is, but the cars definitely had heavily modified engines.

flywlsi: A V8 is the best option of you want to win drag races.

no need actions like that mooch. one "little shithead" was enough.

your on your way to a ban if you keep that shit up.

lol.....what a dumbass.

No, was just letting you know, but I think I was alittle late :)

oh lord do people really have this much free time to just mess with ppl online =/

Damnit, where are the mods when you need em!?!?!?

mooch, i'm saying this for everyone, FUCK OFF.

kman:
v8 isn't the best option for drag racing if i don't want a v8 powered car, is it?

if i want to own an import w/o a v8, i guess it's not the best option, huh?

not EVERYONE wants to have a v8, and not everyone needs one. sorry.

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wow did you come up with that all by yourself?
or did you look at everyone esle who thought that up back in 3rd grade.
but thats enough of my time you've wasted

Just dont pay attention to him. dont reply to his insults!

About the v8 thing, with gas prices right now im glad Im glad I have a 4cyl!

*shrug* The next car I'm getting is a 4-cylinder (WRX), but if I wanted to make a fast drag car I'd definitely get a V8. Drag racing with a small engine just makes no sense.

why wouldnt it make sense, theirs a thing called hp to weight ratio

BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE. Thank you:smile:

What is the topic anyways?..........Oh it about an import racing an muscle or 4 vs an 8 what ever you want to call it and the 8 beating the obvious slower 4, so............... I guss nice kill :uhoh:

*shrug* The next car I'm getting is a 4-cylinder (WRX), but if I wanted to make a fast drag car I'd definitely get a V8. Drag racing with a small engine just makes no sense.

That is just the beauty of drag racing. Who would have thought you can make a little motor run pretty quick. From what I heard/seen it takes japan 6 cylinders to make what americas 8 cylinder do! :grinno: Look at the little hondas with 4 cylinders beating v-8, v-10, or what not. That is basically half the motor. I am not trying to bash or anything! I can see where you are coming from with v-8's but it is not only muscle cars in the drag scene anymore we officially now have imports and it has been for quite sometime now. :sunglasse

That is just the beauty of drag racing. Who would have thought you can make a little motor run pretty quick. From what I heard/seen it takes japan 6 cylinders to make what americas 8 cylinder do! :grinno: Look at the little hondas with 4 cylinders beating v-8, v-10, or what not. That is basically half the motor. I am not trying to bash or anything! I can see where you are coming from with v-8's but it is not only muscle cars in the drag scene anymore we officially now have imports and it has been for quite sometime now. :sunglasse
man thats a great post and how everyone should feel
props to all motor builds 4s 5s 6s wankels 8s anymotor going fast is a good one!

in all fairness, keep in mind that it's about power to weight...
and you're talking about heavily modded 4's to beat v8's that are lightly modded...

keep it fair...

drag racing with a small engine makes no sense?

how bout this:
I DON'T WANT A V8 POWERED CAR.
I WANT TO DRAG RACE.

so i guess that doesn't make sense to drag race with a v8, then does it?

it's the prerogative of the owner of the car to race what they want, not the almighty "you should only drag race with v8's".

(matt, no offense) but that's redneck ideology.

sorry.

That is what I am trying to get at but see a heavily modded 4 compared to a heavily modded 8 is not fair in anyway. So basically all fairness would hardly be. Take a stock 4 vs a stock 8 same persona! Really nowadays it is hard to get a fair run out there unless you are running 4-4, 6-6, or 8-8 with the same power to weight ratios!

which is fine.

but that doesn't mean that the ONLY way to drag race is with a v8.

and a perfect example of that would be the buick GN's, (V6). anyone who says those cant drang need some adjustments done to there brain.

I feel sorry 4 that import.

a V8 engine is the best option for draggers who want to drag V8s. If you want to import tune, then of coarse an import 4 or 6 would be the best. It is all realitive to what you want to drive. I personally like the american V8s, but I grew up on them (my dad used to drag 67 mustangs that were heavily modded), so that is what I love. True, a heavily modded V8 would destroy a heavily modded 4, but it's like having another engine. It depends on who you drag, and what you like to drag. With todays prices on gas, I am jealous of you import guys paying half of what it cost me, and you still are able to keep up with me. Imports have amazing HP to weight ratio (that is what makes them so damn fast), so hats off to you. However, don't bash american cars, cause everyone knows on the strip we would tear the imports apart. Day to day, however, I would not be surprised to see a honda kick the crap out of an american car. Again, it is all realitive.

Edit: Oh, and by the way, to the guy with the cobra, please show me a cobra that will run 9's w/o heavily modding it (blower doesn't count, it takes hp to make hp with a supercharger). I would love to take a look at your engine and car, and possibly meet you. If it exists :evillol:

thank you.
someone who sees what i'm saying...

there was a cobra featured a while back in a mustang mag running 9's on stock internals, but it had hella HP

a V8 engine is the best option for draggers who want to drag V8s. If you want to import tune, then of coarse an import 4 or 6 would be the best. It is all realitive to what you want to drive. I personally like the american V8s, but I grew up on them (my dad used to drag 67 mustangs that were heavily modded), so that is what I love. True, a heavily modded V8 would destroy a heavily modded 4, but it's like having another engine. It depends on who you drag, and what you like to drag. With todays prices on gas, I am jealous of you import guys paying half of what it cost me, and you still are able to keep up with me. Imports have amazing HP to weight ratio (that is what makes them so damn fast), so hats off to you. However, don't bash american cars, cause everyone knows on the strip we would tear the imports apart. Day to day, however, I would not be surprised to see a honda kick the crap out of an american car. Again, it is all realitive.

Edit: Oh, and by the way, to the guy with the cobra, please show me a cobra that will run 9's w/o heavily modding it (blower doesn't count, it takes hp to make hp with a supercharger). I would love to take a look at your engine and car, and possibly meet you. If it exists :evillol:

I can understand that but who ever said I was bashing american cars! :disappoin

your all retards!
if you want to drag race the only way to do proper dragging is with womans clothes on