my firist loss

its ok though, because .. it was an srt-4 and i only lost by about 1/2 a car length, race started and we both had pretty shitty starts, peeling out half way through first, at first i didnt know it was an srt-4 just thougt it was a regular neon. that is until he pulls next to me and i here that damn turbo whining :eek7: , at this point im thinkin aw shit, he ended up beatin me by about 1/2 a car length, ...... he also had two other people in his car. well i had 3 other kills that night so 3 outa 4 aint bad.

Right. You lost to an SRT-4 by only half a car length...you guys only went to 60' right?

You don't happen to know a certain Cavalier owner, do you?

Was it yellow? I always see the yellow ones. Do they even make other colors? lol The srt4 I saw at the track ran consistent 13.5s.

I always c, yellow and silver ones. Those r the only cars that I have seen on the srt4's

13.5? Wow, thats around what the new GTO is running, kind of sad :cwm27:

Those SRT-4s are very attractive though, expecially in the blue.

I think they look cute. What is sad about a 13.5? Isn't the stock SRT4 1/4 times roughly 13.9s? I heard the 05GTO will have 400hp.

:bs:, unless you're heavily modded or you own a VR4 and for some reason named yourself after the SL.

i pulled out behind one the other day and it took off and i tried to stay behind him to no avail; he was easily 2 cars ahead in no time. tell me how a car with 30 less hp, 40 less lbs of tq and the same body weight as me stayed within 1/2 car.

maybe because he's a better driver, but still there is no way a stock SL can beat an SRT4

seen a red and 2 black ones in town along with a blue one.

I'm hoping the other guy in the black one wants to go at it (already schooled 1 black one) :grinno: guess some black srt4 around this area said he schooled a 3800 fiero formula.. he'll get it soon.

Not sure what an SL runs.. but good run? I think? maybe he couldn't drive?

"thought it was a regular neon"

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stfu kid, no need to lie.

Lighten up Frances :rolleyes: He said he lost by half a car length. He should have lost by more then that. Is the SRT faster then the SL - yes it is, nobody said it wasn't. He also didn't say he beat the car. He said he lost. He didn't say how far the race was. Holy christ - from the sounds of a few of you people, we should all be in worship of the fact anyone was allowed on the road with the fucking neon. :disappoin


Nice try though 3k - its not easy going into a race with a car that you know is faster then your own.

It in fact would've been a good (and believable) race if you had a 3000GT VR4 .

You may have raced an SRT-4, Yes, and i respect you for that, most people don't have the balls to race a car that fast. But quit the BS. You came nowhere near 1/2 a car length away from him. I know this because I come nowhere near 1/2 a car length to an SRT-4, and my car is faster than yours.

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Heck i'm with Yogs here maybe he sucked at driving? and the thread starting hit every shift well maybe he was only 80% throttle i buy it. Do we know if the neons are weight sesntive cause 2 other ppl in the car. But how can you mistake it man?
godd run though i give you props!

My friend Simeon who died was racing an srt4 and beat it and he ran 14.2.

alot of bullshitters around here lately...

I attribute it to the fresh wave of n00bs.

Geee, I know there's been alot of BS threads popping up recently, but that doesn't mean you need to wave that BS flag for everything. He said he lost, I don't see any benefit for him in BSing about the fact he "only" lost by 1/2 car, cause losing is losing! None of you were there when the race happened, so just cause you've seen SRT4's pulling 13.5s before, that don't mean this particular driver can do that same! So why don't yall just stop biting his ass and get on with life! :2cents:

I agree. The guy I saw running at the track wasn't stock.

i personally dont think neons are very attractive cars, even the srt4's. they are just to small, remind me of a geo. I know my car isnt much bigger, but it feels big when ur driving it.

Oh for gods sake people, it's an SRT-4, it's not a Viper. Now I don't mean to bash the car, but the fact is it's a mid 13 second car with a professional driver. If someone gets a bad launch, short shifts or bounces off the rev limiter a bit, we could be talking high 14s or low 15s. He had several people in the car as well.

If you guys start waving the bullshit flag at every race that gets posted here that doesn't go exactly like you predict it will, especially involving SRT-4s :p then people are going to stop posting stories.

Lighten up guys, try to have a good time, and don't automatically go calling someone out because their race didn't turn out exactly like you hoped.

LOL

You guys don't get it.

Granted, a horrible driver is capable of running a 15 in an SRT. Believe me, it's happened before.

Thing is, it takes a moderate to excellent driver to pull such a time in a 3000GT SL.

I guess you can assume that a combination of the above is the case. But my assessment is tempered by something else - the original poster's history.

He has assumed that he'd be faster than a Mustang GT, even though he has no proof, no experience relating to such, basing the assumption on pure speculation of numbers. This shows inexperience...in many things.

Strike one.

He mentioned "other races" in which he won. Although it might be possible that they were insignificant, thus not really worth the post, I find that unlikely, based on the poster. He is capable of "wasting" time, posting about a theoretical race, but yet, cannot post a real race - one in which he won.

Strike two.

He cannot even mention the distance, or how far in gears he got in the race. Too ashamed maybe? Did the race only last till 50 mph? I know when I race anybody, especially in a car that I expected to beat me, I would be proud to mention that "I hung with him till X gear" or something to that effect. Check my race posts, if you wish.

I guess I'll reserve strike three until he clarifies the race, such as my last paragraph would require. He's not quite out yet...I've never claimed to be a perfect pitcher. He's going to have to very quick with the bat on his next shot though.

hey carrnut, i once was on the freeway and a rsx-s pulled up next to me. he pucnhed it and i thought lets see if i can beat him without downshifting, so i tried and i lost by about 2 car lengths(meaning this guy thinks he's faster than me). he could have raced this guy and the srt-4 didn't recognize it was a race yet when he did he hit it and pulled on him by half a car and still going. also could have been toying with him as i have lots of civics and crx and tegs and others.

as far as his knowledge of cars, i once thought that a base mustang was a lot faster than a eclipse gsx. not everyone is very knowledgable about cars and there speed, he's probably just learning. everyone starts somewhere and 17 is about when i started really learning about cars myself. just because you like cars and like racing doesnt mean you gotta know everything about them, yet :icon16:

yeah, now leave em alone :p

hey carrnutt chill dude, come on you always have to be talking smack to any 3000gt owner. were you there when it happen? i dont think so. be quiet and let the guy tell us about his loss. if it happen or didnt happen who cares this is suppose to be all about fun. stop picking on the guy and go drive your little sentra.

hey carrnutt chill dude, come on you always have to be talking smack to any 3000gt owner. were you there when it happen? i dont think so. be quiet and let the guy tell us about his loss. if it happen or didnt happen who cares this is suppose to be all about fun. stop picking on the guy and go drive your little sentra.


That little Sentra will put to shame alot of cars that way out of its price range. Slamming him cause he has a Sentra is lame... especially since his little SE-R has spanked many a car even with it's slipping clutch.

lol people who come on and whine about being slammed for their car... and then slam someone for what they drive. I love the st33t r4c3r attitude some kids have... amusing.

whats up with people and posting threads about racing turbo compacts srts, stis, evos, these days it seems like the thing to do, lets all jump on the band wagon, lol j/k. No but I wouldnt doubt an se-r simply due to the fact that my friend has one and he races it at the track and when he pulls up nobody wants to run him because they think its a not worth running, but little do they no its a sleeper. Little red two door no dropped a cam, intake and a pair of street slikes running low 14s pretty quick in my book

that srt must have been stock....unless you have alot of work done to your car...my srt has about 300 hp and im in the mid to high 12s...but thats just me

OK let me clear some stuff up, first of all my SL is NOT stock and the srt-4 was, we raced from a stop we lined up honked 3 times and launched on the third we raced all the way up to 3rd when we finally shut down. just before we shut down he started to pull. i also mentionedd the fact that he had a bad start, i beat him off the line, but then he started pulling on me. Jees you guys have taken flaming to a new level, by the way thank you to all that stood up for me i apreciate it greatly and, here are the stock specs for an srt-4 215hp 0-60 in 5.3 1/4 in 14.2 the site i got these from is fast-autos.net. your welcome to look it up, geez :disappoin

by the way for anyone who was wondering i have a pretty decent knowledge of most cars and their abilities and carrrnut you need to go back and retake psychology because your personality evaluation was way off,...... ass

Jees you guys have taken flaming to a new level, by the way thank you to all that stood up for me i apreciate it greatly and, here are the stock specs for an srt-4 215hp 0-60 in 5.3 1/4 in 14.2 the site i got these from is fast-autos.net. your welcome to look it up, geez
Not if it is the 2004 SRT-4. They come with a 230 horsepower engine, and a LSD. They are about 2-3 tenths of a sec. faster. I can see keeping up with him until he hit 3rd, provided he had a piss poor launch. I believe that wasn't a full 1/4 mile race though. I'm almost 100 percent positive that SRT-4's go through 4 gears in the 1/4 mile.

by the way for anyone who was wondering i have a pretty decent knowledge of most cars and their abilities and carrrnut you need to go back and retake psychology because your personality evaluation was way off,...... ass

So defensiiiive. Relax it's only the internet bud. And all that's extremely debatable... we only have your word to take and you're just some kid on the internet with a 3kgt.

what the fuck does anyone care anyways. He said he lost. Does it really matter if he said it wasn't alot.

Christ no wonder there's hardly any racing stories everyone calls fucking BS all the time.

Besides if he was a proper BS'er he would've said he drove a VR4 with quad turbo's or something.

well you know what the old saying is
you lie with dogs you get carpel tunnel syndrome

Well, seeing as how he failed to mention at the very first that his car wasn't stock, keeping up with an SRT4 in a 3kGT SL and only losing by half a car even when the srt4 takes off bad is quite a stretch. If he had mentioned he had mods, he wouldn't have been called out so damn fast.

well you know what they say
if it aint broke dont go walking in the dark alone

who says that? Crazy old people thats who! Enough with the sayings.

thats some funny stuff

lol that was pretty funny.. but no it was not a quarter mile race in fact i have no idea how long it was just that we shut down just after shifting to third.

Was it yellow? I always see the yellow ones. Do they even make other colors? lol The srt4 I saw at the track ran consistent 13.5s.

Yeah, the also make them in Red, Blue, Black, and Silver. They only painted some of the first runs of the 2004 models Yellow to use up the paint. They don't paint them Yellow anymore.

the thread is pretty much dead what happend to inocent till proven guilty any way geeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz :uhoh: , lol j/k any ways nice death 3ksl95 may be next time you could beat an srt and video tape it so nobody can call bs :iceslolan

It in fact would've been a good (and believable) race if you had a 3000GT VR4 .

You may have raced an SRT-4, Yes, and i respect you for that, most people don't have the balls to race a car that fast. But quit the BS. You came nowhere near 1/2 a car length away from him. I know this because I come nowhere near 1/2 a car length to an SRT-4, and my car is faster than yours.

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GOOD RACE????? the SRT-4 is no were in the same league as the VR4. The VR4 will put the SRT-4 in it's place in first gear through sixth gear.

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You're a fucking retard.



That is all.

hey a VR4 WILL DEFINITELY KICK A STOCK SRT4'S ASS SO BE QUIET!!!

you guys sound like kids. a srt4 will take a vr4 if you make 1 little mistake. and as for a stock 1st gen vr4 to a srt-4 that is a drivers race. only the newr vr4's are really faster than the srt-4 by about .5 sec give a little take a little

hey a VR4 WILL DEFINITELY KICK A STOCK SRT4'S ASS SO BE QUIET!!!

Sorry, but I just looked at 1/4 mile times for the VR4 and stock for stock they are about dead even so it would come down to drivers.

sounds good to me, and both definately good cars :iceslolan

check it out, srt-4's are running about 13.8.
yeah sure you seen one run 13.5 and he seen it run 14.2, all in all they are running about 13.8, you saying a srt-4 is as fast as a vr4 is saying that a srt-4 is as fast as a camaro ss, its not.

check it out, srt-4's are running about 13.8.
yeah sure you seen one run 13.5 and he seen it run 14.2, all in all they are running about 13.8, you saying a srt-4 is as fast as a vr4 is saying that a srt-4 is as fast as a camaro ss, its not.

Well, 13.8 is the averge time I have seen for a stock VR4's 1/4 mile time. So I can say that the SRT-4 is as fast as a VR4. The cars are equally capable. If the VR4 wasn't such a pig then it would be a much different story.

Sorry, but I just looked at 1/4 mile times for the VR4 and stock for stock they are about dead even so it would come down to drivers.

Yea on the internet specs i havent seen one website that has said the stock VR4 can run under 14 secs. Besides 3si and other 3000GT websites. When i first got my car i was able to run a 13.9 with a back second gear. And after i got that fixed my best time 13.55 secs.

And your here trying to tell me that an srt4 will keep up with a VR4 from launch all the way through every gear. I can tell you that the srt4 is very fast but it's not close to the VR4. Sure maybe it "MIGHT" start pulling alittle in second gear but that would be short lived. I also read some that the srt4 goes from 0-60 in 5.7 secs i my turbo timer reads me in at 4.8 sec 0-60 bone stock. That's almost a full second ahead.

And to back up my statement i will personally go out thier and find a srt4 and iam gonna race him and teach the neons a litle lesson. I mean saying a srt4 can run with VR4 is saying it can run with a new GTO, because i barley lost to the GTO and those things are putting out 350HP and 360ft/lbs torque.

I ran my 96 vr4 at 13.59 the first time I took it to the track. Just my .02 but with AWD I could destroy a srt4 to 60. If he has a good launch he will start narrowing the lead after the first 1/8th mile, but providing equally good drivers, the srt4 will not catch up, and the vr4 will take it in top end speed as well. So, IMHO, with equal drivers and no mistakes on either part, the vr4 wont have much of a problem with the srt4.

The vr4 runs even stock with the Supra...what happens? The vr4 takes it off the line, but the RWD Supra has less drivetrain loss than the AWD vr4 so the Supra catches up the 2nd half. Are you going to tell me the SRT4 keeps up with the Supra?
I don't mean to downplay the SRT4, it's a good car. I just get annoyed that every week, this same thing arises where people underestimate the 3000gt and people get defensive and arguments ensue. I have done the same thing, and underestimated other cars I haven't driven.

Regardless, for future reference, 91-93 vr4 stock runs high 13s-14.1
94-99 vr4s run 13.6ish stock
SLs have broken 14.9 stock, but that is with a damn good driver. Typically low-mid 15s can be expected.
Drivers, tires, conditions, everything can go into the race, but stock these are the typical times.
I don't mean to come off as a bastard, I just find that every week an argument ensues due to the 20 different sites people use to find statistics, and then everyone gets defensive about everything and the same arguments occur. If anyone with an SRT4 wishes to add their personal experience, I am sure that would help.

I dont think that the supra catches up mainly cause of drivetrain loss i think it's more of weight issue. If the 3000GT weighs as much as a supra i bet it could do a 1/4 mile in the very low 13's. Like 13.1-13.2, And i wont believe and cant believe until i see it that a Srt4 will even give a VR4 a good run. By the time 1/4mile comes around i can garentee that the VR4 will have at least 2 or 3 car lengths. Note that two or 3 car lengths in 1/4 is proably .2 or .3 seconds faster.

GOOD RACE????? the SRT-4 is no were in the same league as the VR4. The VR4 will put the SRT-4 in it's place in first gear through sixth gear.

:rolleyes:

Sorry, but I just looked at 1/4 mile times for the VR4 and stock for stock they are about dead even so it would come down to drivers.

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i find that halrious a srt4 "NEON" can keep up with a VR4. :disappoin That will be the day hell freezes over. That's like comparing apples and oranges. If you want a good comparison on how the srt4 runs try putting up up agisnt a S2000. Thats what the srt4's should be racing.

I am not underestimating the 3000GT VR4. I have a friend that owns a Stealth RT/TT and I love driving it. However, the SRT-4 is capable of mid 13 second 1/4 mile times, and that is about what the VR4 is capable of, stock for stock. I am talking about right off the showroom floor. The problem is that you're overestimating your car, not me underestimating it. They are about even and it would depend on the driver in a race. I don't think you realize that your car weighs about 3,800 pounds. That is a VERY heavy car.

Have you people not heard of a power to weight ratio? The SRT-4 is putting down 235HP or so to the wheels while a stock VR4 will put less than 300 to the wheels.

You do the math.

The problem with some people who think their cars are the absolute bombest is the fact that theyve never driven anything else...

I thought my blazer was fast...
till I got my mx6.
and I thought it was pretty fast...
till my girlfriend let me drive her 99 TA...

I think that on the average a 3000GT VR4 will beat the SRT4 from a dig. The main reason I say that is due to the AWD launch. It's is probably near impossible to launch the SRT-4 from a dig. Most people don't have the skills to drive a high powered FWD car within it's limits. From a roll I don't care what anybody says though, an SRT-4 will clean a 3000GT VR4 a new one. They trap about 2 mph faster in the quarter mile. I actually think the SRT-4 dynos almost as high as the 3000 (230whp versus 250 awhp).

sorry....i just read my last post and i sounded kinda snotty,i didnt mean to come off like that,i was just trying to say that the srt is a pretty quick car,and for you keeping up with it i give you props!....no matter what kinda car you have....believe me,i give credit to anyone who enjoys cars and fixing them up( fast, loud,"pretty" whatever!) i hate when people argue about whos car does this or that, you dont have to love every car just dont hate on mine,or just dont tell me you think it sucks,you know what i mean?? sorry im just rambling now....

dude shut up an SRT4 shouldnt even be compared to a 3000gt vr4. so stop comparing those cars. instead you should be comparing a vr4 with supras,rx7s or 300zxs. and an srt4 with cars in its league. and by the way im not saying an SL is in the srt4s league because that is not true.

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Is someone a little defensive?

You're hopeless kid... utterly hopeless.

dude shut up an SRT4 shouldnt even be compared to a 3000gt vr4. so stop comparing those cars. instead you should be comparing a vr4 with supras,rx7s or 300zxs. and an srt4 with cars in its league. and by the way im not saying an SL is in the srt4s league because that is not true.

Dude, you need to pull your head out of your butt and open your mind. Also, drop the attitude, I am sick of people acting like assholes in here and I won't tolerate it anymore.

dude shut up an SRT4 shouldnt even be compared to a 3000gt vr4. so stop comparing those cars. instead you should be comparing a vr4 with supras,rx7s or 300zxs. and an srt4 with cars in its league. and by the way im not saying an SL is in the srt4s league because that is not true.
Where shall I start with this comment. First off you need mature automotively speaking. Secondly that has about the same amount of logic as saying in the 80's that a Gran National shouldn't be compared to a corvette. Well they were faster then them for awhile, so they can be compared. Actually I remember when a automotive mag tested a Syclone versus a Ferrari. It blew it away at the strip too. Any cars can be compared that are soo close performance wise. In fact the Supra and the RX7 can be compared to the SRT-4 as well.

check this out, moderators and all. if you know me i am not biased towards anything, check my posts. i raced a srt-4, if i was stock that would have been a good race, meaning equal times neck and neck. but i have a 1st gen vr4, the 2nd gens will blow me away and an srt-4.

i believe it was what motor trend that ran the supra and vr4 at the same time 13.6

yes srt-4 is capable of 13.5 as a supra is capable of 12.9, if you ask any 3kgt owner and ask them whats the fastest time a vr4 has did the 1320 stock you will hear 13.0, so yeah we are capable of 13.0 but we normaly run more like 13.5. if you like i will show you some sites that show you our times for the 2nd gens.

http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1999/7/comparison_test_13_quickest_cars/images/tb_mitsubishi.jpg
10 MITSUBISHI 3000GT

Putting the power to the pavement is the name of the acceleration game. The Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 has 320 hp, much less than the Jag and Lightning, and the same power rating as the Mustang Cobra. So what gives the Mitsubishi the advantage over them? Traction.

This is the only all-wheel-drive car in this test. That means no wheelspin. Launching the Mitsubishi is so simple, it's like flying into outer space - even a monkey can do it. Just tach up the DOHC twin-turbocharged V6 up near its 6000 rpm power peak and drop that clutch. Granted, this isn't the best thing for the car's durability, but it sure gets this 2+2 off the line like a slingshot. All four 18-in. tires dig in, the 3000GT squats like Mike Piazza, and you are gone.

Don't expect any rubber when you throw gears, either. Tire slip in this car is harder to come by than a date with Pamela Anderson. Shifter action and clutch takeup could be a bit smoother, so quick gear changes aren't easy. But the V6's surprising amount of low-end torque really gets the heavy Mitsubishi going. And the motor pulls right up to its 7000 rpm redline.

One thing missing from the Mitsubishi's stellar performance: the right sounds. Its hair dryer exhaust note just doesn't cut it.

Test Summary:
Mitsubishi 3000GT

Base price: $44,600, Price as tested: $45,140
Engine: 3.0L/181.0 CID DOHC 24v twin turbo V6
HP: 320 @ 6000 rpm, Torque: 315 ft.-lb. @ 2500 rpm
Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/awd
Final drive: 3.87:1 w/center viscous coupling
Curb weight: 3737 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 11.7
Horsepower/liter: 106.7, Tires: 245/40ZR18
Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.70 sec. 0-60 mph: 5.00 sec.
1/4 mile: 13.44 sec. @ 101.79 mph

an srt-4 is a good match for the vr4 is like saying the 350z is a good match for the vr4, no a evo-8 is a good match for a vr4 and an sti is a good match for the vr4 the supra the trans am the camaro ss, the nsx in the 1320 these cars are comparebale to the vr4 not the sti. only for the 1st gens. and btw here are some more stats

1994-1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4

This Mitsubishi has only undergone minor changes for a decade since its 1990 release. The Spyder came in 1995. Numerous facelifts have kept the styling fresh. It was sold in USA till 1999. Sold as GTO in Japan till 2001.

Base price : $30,000 (used '99) Get a free price quote

Engine : V6, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 2,972 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 18 mpg
highway - 24 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent upper and lower A-arms
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 320 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 315 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm

Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 5.0 sec.
0-¼ mile : 13.5 sec @ 105.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.90 g

Curb Weight : 3760 lbs(coupe), 3995 lbs(Spyder)
Overall length : 180.7 in.
Wheelbase : 97.2 in.
Overall Width : 72.4 in.
Height : 50.6 in.(coupe), 49.3 lbs(Spyder)

Press Reviews and Road Tests

Competitors :
Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo (1990-1996)
Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R (1990-1994)
Toyota Supra Turbo (1993-1998)

http://www.modernracer.com/mitsubishi3000gtvr4.html