my firist loss

I think that on the average a 3000GT VR4 will beat the SRT4 from a dig. The main reason I say that is due to the AWD launch. It's is probably near impossible to launch the SRT-4 from a dig. Most people don't have the skills to drive a high powered FWD car within it's limits. From a roll I don't care what anybody says though, an SRT-4 will clean a 3000GT VR4 a new one. They trap about 2 mph faster in the quarter mile. I actually think the SRT-4 dynos almost as high as the 3000 (230whp versus 250 awhp).


So it traps 2 mile hr more in the 1/4 but the VR4 is still ahead in the 1/4 mile and ask any VR4 driver the VR4 has a very good top end due to it's gearing. From a roll i dont think the Srt4 can take it either. It's peak power is at 5300rpms. That is not nearly as close as the VR4's powerband. If you were at a role from 65 mph i can garentee you the VR4 will take it and keep its lead through every gear.

So it traps 2 mile hr more in the 1/4 but the VR4 is still ahead in the 1/4 mile and ask any VR4 driver the VR4 has a very good top end due to it's gearing.
No offense but I call BS on that. I use to own a Stealth R/T twin turbo, and can vouch for it sucking from a roll. BTW some of you guys are posting the fastest times for VR4's that I have seen. I have a subscription to several mags and most VR4's are in the high 13's 1/4 mile wise. Heck some of the early ones had a 14 sec. flat quarter mile time. They have decent top end, but they also have alot of reciprocating mass.

13.55 the fastest???? That's not nearly as good as what a professional driver can do. I take my self as a good driver but iam only a begginer compared to alot of drivers out thier. 13.55-13.6 are my consistant times.

wow you owned a stealth tt and you think its slow from a roll? how fast did you go in that car? my car with just exh, out ran a trans am ls1 at 150mph and keeping with him form 70 all the way to 145 as i passed him. by turning up my boost to 11 that makes me equal with a 2nd gen vr4 and i was even with a damn c5 vette, what were you doing just simply hitting in 4th and not downshifting to 3rd? or were you downshifting to third at 50mph? every ohter vr4 owner i know knows that our top end is monsterous. look if you don't know you don't know, i can't convince you guys otherwise obviously. so beleive what you beleive, a srt-4 is faster than a vr4 or the same speed or whatever. and keep thinking a 2nd gen vr4 runs high 13's and get your ass handed to you. ask yogs what his time is in the heaviest of all the spyder, ask him what his other car ran that he gave away. i'm done with this one guys, NO LOVE LOST, i'm simply tired of trying to ecucate those about the VR4.

No I am referring to the 13 sec. flat quarter mile time. You don't see me posting a 13.1 sec. 1/4 mile time for my EVO. I'd say a VR4 could pull off a mid 13 sec. pass in the most ideal situation.

thats what i said, i said it can run 13.0 but it usually runs 13.5, check it agian. i'm not tryna be rude man your cool and all, but it does get irritating ya know

yea it does. people just dont seem to believe anything about a 3000gt, it doesnt matter if its an SL or the monstruous VR4 they just think what they want to think. oh and by the way, sorry to POLYGON its just that i get frustrated when it comes to my dearly loved cars. please forgive me! and to the rest of you guys, you dont have to believe anything we say. hopefully one of these days you guys will encounter a 3000GT VR4 and then will truly find out what it is capable of doing.

I have seen some low 13s stock Stealth R/T TT timeslips. The mags all seem to agree on 13.5s. Youngvr4 have you ever ran your car?

no not yet, my trannie is horrible synchro's are very bad, so im afraid to launch and can't shift into 2nd or third without grind unless i do it slowly. once i get my tranny fixed i will def go to the track, but i'll only run once or twice, don't like dropping the clutch at 5800 rpm.

hopefully one of these days you guys will encounter a 3000GT VR4 and then will truly find out what it is capable of doing.
Been there got bitch slapped by one when I had the 98 Cobra. Oh and I mean BITCHSLAPPED!!!! I know what they are capable of. I also know that some mags have ringer cars in them (i.e. the EVO in MT that ran a 13.1 sec. 1/4 mile). Kinda like the Subaru XT that ran a high 13 sec. 1/4 mile time. I knew a dude from another board that had larger turbos and fuel upgrades. His car was sick. I'd say low 11 sec. quick. BTW I also had problems with my Stealth and the synchros. Back then you couldn't buy synchros seperately.

So what you saying is dont put up the lowest time for each car then that means you shouldnt put the lowest times for the srt4. I have been to 7 websites all the highest one i seen was 14.2 lowest was 13.9 and i average them out and the srt4 came in at a 14 flat. That's still no where near close to what the vr4 average out is.

yea it does. people just dont seem to believe anything about a 3000gt, it doesnt matter if its an SL or the monstruous VR4 they just think what they want to think. oh and by the way, sorry to POLYGON its just that i get frustrated when it comes to my dearly loved cars. please forgive me! and to the rest of you guys, you dont have to believe anything we say. hopefully one of these days you guys will encounter a 3000GT VR4 and then will truly find out what it is capable of doing.

Hey, I know how you feel. If you think people ridicule and underestimate your car, try driving my GTC. I know what the VR4 is capable of, I have driven many stock and modified. I am just saying that performance wise the VR4 and SRT-4 are in the same class. The VR4 isn't much faster and it will depend mostly on the driver. That is all I am saying. Trust me, I love the VR4 and Stealth RT/TT they are awesome cars.

it seems to me that every one that races an srt the srt owner 99.9% is a little baby boomer or cant drive worth of sh...t, but I not being pro srt and anti vr4 just want to state so factors in this conversation such as the the vr4 has the hp advantage, the traction advantage on street, but the srt basicaly only has the weight advantage, not to metion most of the comparisons are a v6 turo awd car against and 4 banger fwd turbo car, you figure. but to say that its not even compared in its performance class is a load of crap. im not saying its faster stock to stock but you cant say it wont give them a run for its money and not to mention ITS JUST A NEON :grinno:

well ive seen first hand what the srt-4 can do and its fast but i dont think it could recover from the awd launch of the vr4, the most important part of a race is the launch and the vr4 has the undeniable advantage in that aspect. so my doughs on the vr4 but with some slight mod s the srt-4 could definitley give it a run for its money.

with no doubt awd has a devistating blow on the diggs, but they do have disadvantages like distributing power to all four wheels and keeping the power band going through top end, and yes stock to stock the vr4 can beat the srt with the simple factors of both good drivers and both good running motors, but once again your comparing v6 awd tt against a 4 banger single turbo NEON :uhoh:

And thats why the neon is not in the VR4's performance comparison. And thats what i been trying to get across.

in its category no, such as supras tt, 300 tt, rx7 tt, skylines tt ect..... but competing in performance its not that far away, you get what im saying

i agree 100%

See, the SRT-4 is not in the same class as the VR4 and similar cars, but it blows the doors off everything in it's class and it's performance is about on par with the VR4 and similar car.

yeah and so is the 350Z. there the best speed for the buck, brand new. but i would never own one, interior and looks and what not doesn't fit me.

I see the performance of the Srt4 compared to is a s2000. They very similar specs except in some catagory as the srt4 has more torque but the s2000 has more HP and weighs less.

what the hell are you talking about?
there are so many die hard 3kgt fans in here, that you're forgetting that less expensive cars can, and do, run with your car.

get off your high horses, and realize that it can run with you. and it does.

sounds like some people don't like that.

if you can get an srt4 into the mid 13's stock with a good driver, and a good driver can get a vr4 in the mid 13's, why can't you compare?

the vr4 is an overly electronically controlled cow of a car.
it's heavy, very.
too many electronic controls and gizmos.

yay.

so since the srt4 isn't in it's class, you can't compare them?
it should be compared to an s2k?
how do you figure?

you shouldn't compare a car with a price tag twice that of an srt4, should you?

your replies aren't making all that much sense, just trying to get people off the back of an overweight car...

(and please, don't get me wrong, i'm WELL aware of the capabilities of the vr4. the shop that built my car has 5-6 that they've done work on, including some VERY sick cars, 500+hp. so i know my vr4's. and i know their headaches. and i know their stock capability)

See your using the lowest time with a "GOOD DRIVER" and good condition meaning good launch and everthing. The VR4 can run mid 13s "NO PROBLEM" while the srt4 has to work at it evertying has to be good and a damn good driver to run a mid 13 sec. Meaning the average joe will be runnign 13.8-14.2

And that is what s2000's run are 13.9-14.2

what the hell are you talking about?
there are so many die hard 3kgt fans in here, that you're forgetting that less expensive cars can, and do, run with your car.

get off your high horses, and realize that it can run with you. and it does.

sounds like some people don't like that.

if you can get an srt4 into the mid 13's stock with a good driver, and a good driver can get a vr4 in the mid 13's, why can't you compare?

the vr4 is an overly electronically controlled cow of a car.
it's heavy, very.
too many electronic controls and gizmos.

yay.

so since the srt4 isn't in it's class, you can't compare them?
it should be compared to an s2k?
how do you figure?

you shouldn't compare a car with a price tag twice that of an srt4, should you?

your replies aren't making all that much sense, just trying to get people off the back of an overweight car...

(and please, don't get me wrong, i'm WELL aware of the capabilities of the vr4. the shop that built my car has 5-6 that they've done work on, including some VERY sick cars, 500+hp. so i know my vr4's. and i know their headaches. and i know their stock capability)

:grinno:

i don't follow your smiley, except that i hope we're on the same page.

why are people not allowed to compare 2 cars from different categories?

there were alot of people defending the skyline when it was compared to a ferrari, which isn't in its class/category.

so what gives, exactly? (and i know it was some of the pro vr4 people in this thread, and you know who i'm talking about)

so if i show up with an s10 with a v8 and corvette suspension that outhandles and outruns your vr4, it's not worth racing, b/c it's not in the same category, right?

hmm...

a good driver?
i'll bet you that a good driver in a neon srt4 (same driver) could get the same time from a vr4.

and the driver getting mid 13's in a vr4 could get a similar time in a neon.

if you know how to drive, it's not hard to do.

so b/c you've got to work harder to get the same time STOCK from a neon srt4, it's not in the same category?

no sense? yep.

because fly, with a good driver the vr4 will run down to 13.0 with ok drivers average drivers they run 13.5, whith and amazing driver a srt-4 runs 13.5(probably a factory freak) and the average driver will run more like a 14.0, meaning with 2 average drivers the vr4 wins. this all depends on the year of the vr4, 1st gens will battle it out with a srt-4 as they run similar times, but the 2nd gen vr4's are clearly faster in the 1/4 or at tops speeds.

i don't follow your smiley, except that i hope we're on the same page.

why are people not allowed to compare 2 cars from different categories?

there were alot of people defending the skyline when it was compared to a ferrari, which isn't in its class/category.

so what gives, exactly? (and i know it was some of the pro vr4 people in this thread, and you know who i'm talking about)

so if i show up with an s10 with a v8 and corvette suspension that outhandles and outruns your vr4, it's not worth racing, b/c it's not in the same category, right?

hmm...

Thats a whole diffrent set up if you came in with a s10 with a v8 and corvette suspension because that's not a stock car. This isnt an argument about why or why cant you compare these two cars. What we are arguing about is the performance comparison and how the Srt4 is no were in the VR4's class in performance wise. So next time read all the post first "MORON" You can compare a srt4 and VR4 all you want what we are arguing about is performance and how a srt4 is slower in every aspect of the VR4.

no need for name calling

Numbers racing sure is fun... :screwy:
Run 'em at the track.

A SRT4 can do mid 13.7s stock before everyone on the SRT4Forums calls BS.
Looks like a VR4 runs comparible times, possibly a little faster (when new... as I bet all VR4s were totally babied... :rofl:)

Total driver's race.

Let's keep the name calling to a minimum...

This debate is interesting... I'd hate to have to close it. :disappoin

You can say that the VR-4 is a fat ass with a Turbod V-6. Compare it to a 4 Cylinder Neon with a turbo and it weighs a hell of a lot less. It Evens out. VR-4 has AWD, probably its only true advantage, show me a AWD SRT4 and then i will compare them.

You can say that the VR-4 is a fat ass with a Turbod V-6. Compare it to a 4 Cylinder Neon with a turbo and it weighs a hell of a lot less. It Evens out. VR-4 has AWD, probably its only true advantage, show me a AWD SRT4 and then i will compare them.



How does that make any sense?

'97 3000GT VR4: 3737 lbs.
'03 Dodge SRT4: 2939 lbs.

Ok... so now that we're comparing weight. How does the VR4 suddenly weigh a hell of a lot less?

Just because the SRT-4 isn't AWD doesn't mean you can't compare the two cars.

That's like saying, You can't compare a Supra TT to a Skyline GT-R cause it's not AWD.

Gimme a break. :rolleyes:

Just bad wording, i was saying the SRT4 weighs a lot less. Saying a 3000gt weighs less is just retarded. If the VR-4 wins off the line every time and beats the SRT4 EVERYTIME i dont see how you can compare a car to something it beats EVERYTIME. Unless you have a complete idiot driving.

Just bad wording, i was saying the SRT4 weighs a lot less. Saying a 3000gt weighs less is just retarded. If the VR-4 wins off the line every time and beats the SRT4 EVERYTIME i dont see how you can compare a car to something it beats EVERYTIME. Unless you have a complete idiot driving.

Of course it gets the hole shot, but we're not just talking about 60' times here.

See your using the lowest time with a "GOOD DRIVER" and good condition meaning good launch and everthing. The VR4 can run mid 13s "NO PROBLEM" while the srt4 has to work at it evertying has to be good and a damn good driver to run a mid 13 sec. Meaning the average joe will be runnign 13.8-14.2
Hmm that' odd, I have read alot of mags where the 3000 GT/VR4 has run a 14 flat 1/4 mile. This kinda reminds me of when I use to go to the illegal races. I remember my buddy Steve smacking VR4's around like it was going out of style. At the time I had just purchased a Stealth twin turbo. Anyways, an Armenian guy came up to give me props on my car. He then proceeded to tell my buddy that his car was shit (1999 Z28, which now runs 11's). My buddy later told me that he challenged the guy, and that the guy wouldn't race him. I think some people put their cars on a pillar too high to wanna race other cars. Personally that is a shame, because no matter what the cost of the car is so long as it is close it is always fun.

its a shame that someone like you owned a Stealth. makes me sad. VR4S running 14's? must be with someone who doesnt know how to drive. vr4s run 13.5 average. seems you dont understand that. Come on an SL with a awesome driver can get into 14.9s. and you're saying that vr4 runs 14s. thats funny!!!!

Yea i do not know were ur getting the idea that a VR4 runs 14's maybe if you launced bad missed second gear and just all around suck at driving you can get 14. I said this many of times already When i first got my car it had a bad second gear syncro and i still run under 14 secs.

i agree. well said

1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Pictures and Specifications
... 1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4. General Information ... 14.0 sec. Quarter Mile: 13.9 sec @ 102 mph ...
www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/mitsubishi3000gt.html

Uh... did 3kgt just diss the stealth rt tt while praising the vr4 like it's gods gift to racing?

Dude... seriously... become educated on cars before you come here.

0-100 mph: 14.0 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.9 sec @ 102 mph


Anyone see anything kinda WEIRD here? Atleast use a site with some kind of consistancy in what they say. Medio he was dissing the poster, not the car, atleast thats what i got out of it.

OH MY GOD! how many times will i have to say this.
1st gen vr4's 91-93 300hp 14.1-13.7 1/4 mile
2nd gen vr4's 94-99 320hp 13.5-13.0 1/4 mile

damn and usually they dont bs. I will get another site http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/44178/article.html

"quarter-mile in 14 seconds flat at 105 mph"

hey you guys do you want me to post times from sites, actually i already have, read the whole thread please and look back at what i just posted

youngvr4 i believe your right on the money

Check it out. All of you self-righteous 3si.org rejects, chill the fuck out.

It's not your car, or even your fucking type of car that was being called on in this thread, at least by me. It was the PERSON behind the wheel that was being called out, as a car can't lie...or did you not know that?

Even then I didn't all-out call him a liar, I said his story did not make sense.

Jesus. The way you guys sound all over this board, you'd think that you guys own the automotive equivalent of Rodney Dangerfield.

There's two other 3000GT VR-4 owners that have been in here, and never bothered with the self-righteous crap you guys are pulling, and has even shown respect towards 'lesser' cars, be it Neon or not. Their screennames are YogsVR4, and youngvr4.

Take a lesson n00bs, and learn to get in where you fit in.