Finally get to run an SRT4

Heading home after work I notice a blue car, behind me kinda close. I see he has a hood scoop similar to the srt4 but still not knowing exactly what car it is. So I play lets get side by side and switch lanes to the right to left and he immediatly gets to my right. As i presumed an electric blue 2004 srt4. I know this from asking the 20ish old looking guy what year when side by side. Then he gives me a little run by in 2nd gear. I also give him alittle ventage from the greddy type s. Well we both like up side by side, its obvious were going to go at it. running at 4000 rpms in 2nd gear I supose hes in the same gear with similar rpms. my front bumper is at his driver side door when i notice his car go WOT then immediatly as does mine. 6500 rpms in 2nd gear his front bumper is to my passenger side door and shift into 3rd. 3rd gear at 5000 rpms his front bumper is to my back bumper when my 18 psi turns into 20psi BAM fuel cut... I immidiatly shut down and we both catch the next red light. First word from his mouth is..ITS STOCK.. I reply not bad, I reply by sayin the 18 inch chromes and 3500 pound car hitting fuel cut in 3rd gear aint exactly saying im race ready. Then he replies with the im stock again and turnes as the light turns green. This is the closest race sence ive added the 14b.

dude...for how much you put into yours...from how it sounds you got owned....

if this isnt the case please restate

and why did you fule cutoff? Shifted too late?

not tryin to hate, just confused

I know I have bad memory....


In a few previous posts, didn't you claim to be able to run something like a high 300 hp mark once you get your 14b turbo ?

At the end of third I was about 1 car ahead before I hit fuel cut(him to my back bumper). My boost gauge is sitting at 11 hgs witch means im getting a MAJOR boost leak(norm hgs is 19-20). concluding ecu is reading a overflow of fuel and not enough air tis why im hitting fuel cut on boost creep. This only means I need to find the boost leak, bigger injectors and some type of air/fuel control. Then can I run 20+ psi safely. If this does not clear anything up please ask.

Umm, just because you get a good air/fuel ratio doesn't mean it's safe to boost over 20psi. Looking in your sig I see you don't have any internals done and it's not safe to boost that much on stock internals on a GST. Your post is confusing, if I misunderstood you lemme know.

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I'm kinda lost here. I mean you have a smaller turbo then the Neon (Neon's come with a TD 04/05 from what I have been told, better known as the 16g). With the mods you have listed you can't be pushing over 260 whp, or atleast I wouldn't think that you would, cause Turbo Magazine tested the maximum output per turbo on the 4g63 engines (I believe they have the 16, g, 20 g, etc.. tested). His car is lighter then yours. Then again anything can happen on the street. Maybe this dude couldn't drive.

1- 4g63 need's no reinfocement to take 20 psi of boost, the motors are very string and can withstand 22psi saftly with proper fuel managment.
2- with those mods dsm can easly see 260hp the 14b turbo is good for 300hp,my boy has a 1g TSI and hes making well over 250whp with those same mods and a well tuned ecu, yes i know that the 1g 4g63 and the 2g 4g63 doesnt take the same to mods.. the shitty t-25 will top out around 230 if your lucky, also the 14b mich flow better on the 4g63 then the "16g" does on the neon.. rember its still a neon..
nice kill man, get the boost creep fixed and bigger injectors and get a s-afc and tune the shit out of that motor, have fun boosting..
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So does that mean you can beat my POS now, Armando? :p

Hmm, according to Turbo magazine they tested the 4g63 engine in the Galant VR4 (I believe it came with the 14b turbo stock). Baseline runs for the car were 190.6 whp/ 198.2 wtq (Sept. 2002 issue). They added these bolt ons to it: K&N Filter, DDP exh, DDP downpipe, spearco intercooler, DDP cat, TeamRip mass air. After all those mods the car registered 271.5 whp/302.7 wtq. He doesn't have anywhere near those number of mods. I wouldn't say 250 whp is feasible.

you cant belive everything magazine tells you... some of them is pure b.s. and also some mods that they do can be done in other ways, btw turbo back exhaust is usually a full 2.5-3" turbo back sys, which includes downpipe, turbo elbow, test pipe or hi flow cat, and cat back, i been studying dsm for a long time now , i wanted 2 for the longest and still do, they are capabe cars that take little tuning to go fast, i say 250 is well in reach with his mods, btw look at www.dsmtuners.com it will give you a little idea of how easy it is to tune a dsm.
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There is one thing I'm very confused about. If you hit fuel cut at 20 psi means that for at least a few moments you were running insanelly lean, how did that not destroy your engine.

Last time i saw a turbo car go kaboom was an evo, and its walbro pomp just bit the dust under full boost/load and the engine went kaput in a sec.

i dont know but my car runs in to fuel cut, i need the s-afc II myself cause i cant go above 12 psi without it cutting in, but at the same time i'm running rich, but not too rich.

i dont know but my car runs in to fuel cut, i need the s-afc II myself cause i cant go above 12 psi without it cutting in, but at the same time i'm running rich, but not too rich.


Are you sure that is fuel cut and not ignition cut? Because fuel cut can be very dangerous due to instant lean situation especially under full boost.

well everyother vr4 woner with a boost controller knows that the s-afc eliminates the cut out, its a known thing in dsm and 3kgt/stealth owners that the fuel cut comes in to play, and you need a fuel controller. so.......... unless were all mistakin, then yeah its fuel cut. you can even check the web and you'll find that they speak on 3kgt owners when they get what they think is boost cut, they simply need the safc and, wallla....... job is done

I'm kinda lost here. I mean you have a smaller turbo then the Neon (Neon's come with a TD 04/05 from what I have been told, better known as the 16g). With the mods you have listed you can't be pushing over 260 whp, or atleast I wouldn't think that you would, cause Turbo Magazine tested the maximum output per turbo on the 4g63 engines (I believe they have the 16, g, 20 g, etc.. tested). His car is lighter then yours. Then again anything can happen on the street. Maybe this dude couldn't drive.


Ok lets try and inform people about cars from what youve been told. The srt4 has a small 16g turbo. My car is hitting fuel cut not because of fuel starvation but because of the ecu not reading enough air flow from the vaccume leak at high boost it instantly cuts of fuel to the engine to save the turbo from blowing up. (feels like you hit a brick wall or the sort). And the 4g63 engine STOCK can handle 400+ hp(1st gens being alittle more). And the 14b turbo will NEVER reach those kind of hp numbers concluding running even 30 psi is not going to blow the motor just the turbo itself. The stock srt4 hp #'s are in the 220's and even some freak srt4's in the 230's depending on the altitude and weather. But Im stating That the 04 srt4 lost by about 1 car 5000 rpms into 3rd gear from a roll. I do know im not hitting the 300hp mark. But with 550 injectors, and afc and some tuning who knows. And just to make another FACT about turbos if any of you confused people are unsure about the 14b turbo. Its the exact same turbo as the 16g but a smaller compressor wheel. Only upgrade to make a 14b a 16g is bigger compressor wheel which runs about $149 where I live.

Ok lets try and inform people about cars from what youve been told. The srt4 has a small 16g turbo.
Your pretty funny dude. I just stated earlier that the SRT-4 has a 16g turbo (Which you actually quoted), then you go on to say that you are informing me that the SRT-4 has a 16g turbo. Read what you post before you post it.

good run for you, if it was indeed fair, you said 18's, his has 17's. not that big of a diff and the tires on his are probably the '03 model' 205's

you sure do have funny races, you can pull on a ws6, barely beat a gsr from a roll and beat a new srt4

damn sorry you have a 14b turbo now so your really fast, and 18's right?? i thought you got rid of them? or you just put em on for racing so you can make excuses?

Your pretty funny dude. I just stated earlier that the SRT-4 has a 16g turbo (Which you actually quoted), then you go on to say that you are informing me that the SRT-4 has a 16g turbo. Read what you post before you post it.


I did make a mistake in my previous statement. I ment to say to NOT make comments from what you were told but facts. And what do you mean by me stating earlyer that a srt4 has a 16g turbo then I go on to say again that it has a 16g turbo? Am I missing something or is it that late?

you said 18's, his has 17's. not that big of a diff and the tires on his are probably the '03 model' 205's[/QUOTE]


Umm your point? I guess your trying to compare 17 inch alloys to 18 inch chrome wheels? Try looking at 1 very important ratio. weight of my car to the stock srt4 2004. I didnt even try to point out that when the srt4 went WOT I was about a fender behind before I went WOT. I dont come off trying to say IM KING OF THE STREETS or anything. But a stock 2004 srt4( frist ever race with 1, I did come out on top). You can add in alot of additional factors. One which being ITS THE DRIVER. But how hard is it to shift from 2nd to 3rd? and on and on and on....

you sure do have funny races, you can pull on a ws6, barely beat a gsr from a roll and beat a new srt4

damn sorry you have a 14b turbo now so your really fast, and 18's right?? i thought you got rid of them? or you just put em on for racing so you can make excuses?


yeah I actually do have some quite funny races. None more funnyer than the smokin 12 sec(claiming)mustang import killer whom I caught and passed from 3 cars behind. Anyhow for your sake I will never post the COUNTLESS hatches ive killed over the years. And about the rims thing. I can get glory from winning a race with the rims and also die by the traction the rims dont give from a dig. There are pros and cons in everything. And the 14b gives about a 200% better OH SHIT HERE COMES the boost than the t25.So yeah the 14b does make the spyder seem abit more faster. Only thing to every dsm after modding and adding a bigger turbo is to tune it. Thats where I should see the next most biggest hp gains. But all In all, I have one thing most people dont have, PROOF OF WHAT IVE GOT IN MY CAR and can back up this statement by hitting up ol CARRRNUTTT and take him out for alittle spin.

I just stated that I earlier pointed out that the SRT-4 has a 16g turbo. You posted that, then told me I have no knowledge about the car, and proceeded to tell me that it has a 16g turbo. What do you know about the SRT-4? So far all i'm hearing is bogus subjective reasoning regarding the car. The 4g63 engines responds better to boost this and that. Nope. That's not true, and I own a 4g63 engined car. They are taking a highly modified SRT-4 to the Salt Lake Flats to take a chance at going over 200 mph with over 900whp. The car ain't no joke. I just find it hard to believe that your car outpowered the neon. I think you more or less outdrove him.

I just stated that I earlier pointed out that the SRT-4 has a 16g turbo. You posted that, then told me I have no knowledge about the car, and proceeded to tell me that it has a 16g turbo. What do you know about the SRT-4? So far all i'm hearing is bogus subjective reasoning regarding the car. The 4g63 engines responds better to boost this and that. Nope. That's not true, and I own a 4g63 engined car. They are taking a highly modified SRT-4 to the Salt Lake Flats to take a chance at going over 200 mph with over 900whp. The car ain't no joke. I just find it hard to believe that your car outpowered the neon. I think you more or less outdrove him.


This can go all night bro. Quick info on the little I know about the srt4's. 2003's dont have the stage 1's the 2004's have ( bigger injectors, Lsd, ETC. They run about 20 psi stock no? ( give or take afew psi). Im glad youve owned a 4g63, as do I and have for 4 years. First thing ive ever done was bought the 18's. Then intake, wires etc on down the stage 1 path. There is no doubt in my mind that the first $600 shoulda went towards a big 16g and a boost controller. But we all learn after afew years not to buy a turboed convertible sports car at the age of 19 and spend $2,400 every 6 months for the past 4 years on insurance alone. Thus making maint and mods more time consuming. So I guess nothing I say can make a bigger Impact than getting that 16g compressor wheel in along with 550's and an afc then post some dyno HP numbers above 300 or more. Then I might have a valid arguement on beating a stock srt4. I guess thats what your trying to say no?

i dont know about you but i goto the track and ive posted up my times and as soon as i get some dr's you can best bet those times will fall

bla bla bla your car is so fast bla bla bla just goto the track and prove it buddy, they everyone will be happy

countless hatches huh? me too! wanna go from a dig? oh n/m forgot you cant drive

Good win if it happend like you said it not kill, but next time try too get it on vid.

[QUOTE=turbo2nr]1- of "16g" does on the neon.. rember its still a neon..

Thats pretty funny dude, whats that supposed to mean to an srt-4 :eek7:

It's a thread of cat fights.. :lol:

you said 18's, his has 17's. not that big of a diff and the tires on his are probably the '03 model' 205's


Umm your point? I guess your trying to compare 17 inch alloys to 18 inch chrome wheels? Try looking at 1 very important ratio. weight of my car to the stock srt4 2004. I didnt even try to point out that when the srt4 went WOT I was about a fender behind before I went WOT. I dont come off trying to say IM KING OF THE STREETS or anything. But a stock 2004 srt4( frist ever race with 1, I did come out on top). You can add in alot of additional factors. One which being ITS THE DRIVER. But how hard is it to shift from 2nd to 3rd? and on and on and on....[/QUOTE]

i never said you cliamed you were king! so calm down. :nono: i wasnt insulting anyone :screwy: but, are your wheels chrome or just chrome colored, his car isnt that light either, and how do you know its an 04, the 04 hav more power than the 03

, are your wheels chrome or just chrome colored, his car isnt that light either, and how do you know its an 04, the 04 hav more power than the 03[/QUOTE]


Ouch, chrome colored..? heh no. His car is the 04 because I ASKED HIM before we even ran, twas an 04. Like I said, an srt4 is an awsome car, but I won from a roll in 2nd gear. the 1st srt4 ive ran.

the seem to be really tryna stick up for the srt-4

whoa whoa whoa! I'M not trying to stick up for anything, I just know what the car is capable of. if someone with a neon said they beat your cars you'd act the same way. my intrest is purely in the facts, all i asked was some specs on the cars, i told him congrats in the begining, didnt i? oh well if not congrats! see..............

To the HATCH.....Dont be an ASS HAT, you dont even live in AZ to throw a race out like that. You ran a 14.7 with a 2.1 60 ft? WOW what happend to your 1/4 mile time with such a AWSOME 60 ft. I know some awd 1st gens in the 2.1 60 fts and still run high 13's with bolt ons. Obviously your gunna need 3k+ dollars or more to even dip into the 13's. I have a used 03 srt4 at the ship here where I work. Your defending the srt4 like you took an ASS WHOOPING once before. If you care to come on down to AZ ill get you into the srt4 for about 11-13k OUT THE DOOR with 7500 miles on it. As for me, ive driven the car, its got a good grab from a dig, but I dont notice the 2-4th gear pull my car has compared to the srt4( im only Tires away with my stock rims away for the same traction. As for the srt4 having a 16g. LETS GET this CORRECT. Its a SMALL 16g not a 16g. 2 TOTALLY DIFFRENT AIR FLOW RATIOS. Thats like comparing the 14b and the t25, you just cant do it. Once again im defending the fact that yes I DID pull an 04 stock srt4 from a roll. And yes I know a few minor mods he will be abit faster. But also TUNING MY CAR( injectors/safc, and adding the 16g COMPRESSOR WHEEL, which bolts right on to the 14b is the only thing needed to accomplish the 300+ hp goal. Now im ready for someone to say, hey wait your 4g63 engine cant handle that much hp, or the boost is too much, or the srt4 is a intake away from 300hp or any other rediculous post thats gunna come next.

last time i checked for a fwd car with FACTORY tires on 2.1 isnt all that bad, 3k to run 13's yea right!
ok lets say what 250 for radials, 100 for a header, 200 for some high compression pistons, 550 i bet i could come damn near close to high 13's hell for 600 i could have a 12 second car

but the only times you speak of are from friends or what you have heard, where are your times?

and in the end hey atleast i can drive my car well

whos trying to defend the srt, if in fact the story is correct and it went on like you said it did good for you in the win but there will always be those people that need a little more then just words to justify a race, thats just how it goes when your writing a story on line weather its fact or fiction no need to get hasty but good win any ways

As for the srt4 having a 16g. LETS GET this CORRECT. Its a SMALL 16g not a 16g. 2 TOTALLY DIFFRENT AIR FLOW RATIOS.
OMG, somebody help me here. It's not a 16g, it's a 16g, LOL Are you an AE????????

jeeeeez! ok guy with the eclipse.....i like your comeback, i know for a fact eclipses can handle and take high boost/ abuse, so i got your back there. dont worry about people who dont know what theyre talking about

hatchback mafia......with some street slicks you should dip into 13's, pistons, not needed, and if you did get some high compression pistons, just high compression pistons, you would in fact lose power, you might not think so but you would. you cant just get pistons and gain power like that. you have to match it with the correct amount of fuel and ignition timing. yes 2.1 is fast on street tires, a little to fast for me to believe,your mph is a little slow too, but if its true, get some slicks, record it and lets see 13's!

what i ment to by saying that its still is a neon.. is exactly that its still a neon with beefed up internals and better fuel sys that can now componsate for funning simi-hi boost levels.. o0o wow big woot! freakin srt 4 this srt 4 that... thats my damm p.o.v. compare it to a "real turbo car" :cough: (evo8 sti) and you will still see its still just a neon..
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with drag radials i should see low 14's alone, a header and some pistons *pr3* i can get cheap, and yes with higher octane gas they will give me hp

2.1 on the factory michellin v4's at 15 psi, and notice i have suspension mods, aftermarket front crossmember race springs, sway and strut bars up front and this with a 2 grand launch and no lsd

so an srt4 which came from the factory a turbo car isnt a real turbo car? but a dsm is? and what about your probe? a real turbo car? what about a dodge omni? gti? why isnt the srt4 a real turbo car?

your drive a turbo probe, but afterall its just a probe

OMG, somebody help me here. It's not a 16g, it's a 16g, LOL Are you an AE????????


Ok you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about a small 16g, and a 16g and a big 16g. 3 diffrent compressor wheels. YES THERE IS A DIFFRENCE and its a BIG ONE. Your a domestic head and I could take it as a lack of knowledge. Im going to leave it up to you to find out the air flow ratio's of each compressor wheel. And once again incase youve been drinking or just cant hold 3 thoughts at 1 time. A 16g Turbo and small 16g Turbo ARE NOT THE SAME...!!! Last time im going to say it. better to say nothing, than to talk and remove all doubt YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TURBOS.

i know its only a probe.. but unlike the str4 my motor and the 4g63 and the ej25 was designed from the factor as a turbo they didnt take a n/a motor and built it for turbo and sold it like a srt-4 it came from the factory from begining as a turbo motor,it was designed with all intentions of handling boost, someone didnt one day say "hey lest turbo this n/a motor and sell it" like with the srt4.. but the srt4 is fast, hell its 10x faster then my car but so is lots of things out there.. but put it against a car that was made for turbo like the evo's or sti.. not a turbo made for a ca like the str4..
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O.K. class, what did we learn today? All it takes is money to go fast. No matter what kind of car you have. The guy posts about his eclipse beating a srt-4, hey maybe it happend but who gives a damn. Hey...my stepdads 83' GT would stomp a big mudhole in that eclipse and the srt at the same time...but like i said who gives a damn. Sometimes you gotta ignore people, and just agree.

Ok you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about a small 16g, and a 16g and a big 16g. 3 diffrent compressor wheels. YES THERE IS A DIFFRENCE and its a BIG ONE. Your a domestic head and I could take it as a lack of knowledge. Im going to leave it up to you to find out the air flow ratio's of each compressor wheel. And once again incase youve been drinking or just cant hold 3 thoughts at 1 time. A 16g Turbo and small 16g Turbo ARE NOT THE SAME...!!! Last time im going to say it. better to say nothing, than to talk and remove all doubt YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TURBOS.

Tell me the differences in compressor wheels...

All i've seen is you flipin out tryin to defend your car when people just asked what happened, so please enlighten me. I cant speek for anyone else but I havent been drinking, i've been at work all day and am typing this sober as a rock *a bit insane from boredom but sober none the less*

ok folks her we go..
some 1 read this who cars, it has lots bout turbo sizing, a/r, inducer/exducer, blah blah blah.. i dont feel like explaining..
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i know its only a probe.. but unlike the str4 my motor and the 4g63 and the ej25 was designed from the factor as a turbo they didnt take a n/a motor and built it for turbo and sold it like a srt-4 it came from the factory from begining as a turbo motor,it was designed with all intentions of handling boost, someone didnt one day say "hey lest turbo this n/a motor and sell it" like with the srt4.. but the srt4 is fast, hell its 10x faster then my car but so is lots of things out there.. but put it against a car that was made for turbo like the evo's or sti.. not a turbo made for a ca like the str4..
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I'm sorry but you are very wrong about the srt4 engine. Its extremelly strong. And its funny that you brought in the ej25 engine and gave it an example of a better turbo engine over the srt4.

So could you enlighten us with your mighty intelect and tell us how an open deck aluminum engine is better for turbo aplications than a closed deck iron block.

And here is an article explaining in depth the SRT4 engine. And then maybe you can call SCC and tell them that they are all idiots and you are much smarter than they are.
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0310scc_projneon/

or you can tell the guys that run a 200+mph stock intenals srt at boneville that they don't know what they doing

or maybe you should race srtgurl that runs very a reliable 12.6 capable srt4 with only 1400 in mods

shit i didnt put in the link..
http://www.racingknowledge.org/text/index.cfm/forum_id/index.cfm/forum_id/39/TOPIC_ID/2333.cfm
itz been a long day..

Neutrino, I dont think he meant it as a flame, hes just begining to learn about turbo's and mod his car, cut him some slack?

Neutrino, I dont think he meant it as a flame, hes just begining to learn about turbo's and mod his car, cut him some slack?


Yeah you are right. I'm sorry I overreacted, but i deal with srt4 bashers in car comparo constantly and I get frustrated.

Yeah you are right. I'm sorry I overreacted, but i deal with srt4 bashers in car comparo constantly and I get frustrated.


I know what that feels like!

Ok you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about a small 16g, and a 16g and a big 16g. 3 diffrent compressor wheels. YES THERE IS A DIFFRENCE and its a BIG ONE. Your a domestic head and I could take it as a lack of knowledge. Im going to leave it up to you to find out the air flow ratio's of each compressor wheel. And once again incase youve been drinking or just cant hold 3 thoughts at 1 time. A 16g Turbo and small 16g Turbo ARE NOT THE SAME...!!! Last time im going to say it. better to say nothing, than to talk and remove all doubt YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TURBOS.
Interesting. I read up on your comments about the 16g turbo. BTW both the EVO8 and the SRT-4 are called 16g turbos, so I still fail to see your point. I read up on teh 16g turbo here http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclturbos.htm
The big 16g turbo made it's debut on the EVO3. It's basically a bigger compressor wheel (550 cfm versus 505 cfm). I fail to see where it states in the tech articles on either the SRT-4 or the EVO what type of 16g they are using (In short please supply a link please). Secondly my point was that the SRT-4 has a larger turbo then you. I believe the 14b came on the first generation Eclipse. According to that website your turbo is pushing 405 cfm. I guess if you ported it even moreso. Whilst I am, as you state, a dumb domestic owner, all you'd have to do was copy and paste what that site stated. Then again you'd still be wrong, as your turbo still doesn't flow as well as a 16g.

I just looked up this link on the SRT-4. It flows from 11 to 14psi from it's TD04 turbo. http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon-srt-4.html

Interesting. I read up on your 16g turbo. BTW both the EVO8 and the SRT-4 are called 16g turbos, so I still fail to see your point. I read up on teh 16g turbo here http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclturbos.htm
The big 16g turbo made it's debut on the EVO3. It's basically a bigger compressor wheel (550 cfm versus 505 cfm). I fail to see where it states in the tech articles on either the SRT-4 or the EVO what type of 16g they are using (In short please supply a link please). Secondly my point was that the SRT-4 has a larger turbo then you. I believe the 14b came on the first generation Eclipse. According to that website your turbo is pushing 405 cfm. I guess if you ported it even moreso. Whilst I am, as you state, a dumb domestic owner, all you'd have to do was copy and paste what that site stated. Then again you'd still be wrong, as your turbo still doesn't flow as well as a 16g.


When I say a 16g turbo or when I say small 16g. There the Exact same turbos but DIFFRENT COMPRESSOR WHEELS. The EVO8 uses the twin scroll 16g, see your local mitsu dealer and grab a brochure. And the srt4 uses the 16g with a smaller compressor wheel than the evo8, thus stating the small 16g. And I NEVER said my turbo is bigger than an srt4's turbo, All I said Is that Ican fit a 16g COMPRESSOR WHEEL which means the 14b can be made to fit a 16g compressor wheel either it be the 550 cfm or the 505). Im glad your doin reserch about the 14b being a first gen eclipse stock turbo. first gen gsx's and talons using the 14b turbo with bolt ons have hit the 12's all that needs to be done in Boost controller and fuel control and tuning. So dont compare srt4gurls 20k car to a gsx running 12's with a whole $2500 paid for the car and ALL MODS PUT TOGETHER.

When I say a 16g turbo or when I say small 16g. There the Exact same turbos but DIFFRENT COMPRESSOR WHEELS. The EVO8 uses the twin scroll 16g, see your local mitsu dealer and grab a brochure. And the srt4 uses the 16g with a smaller compressor wheel than the evo8, thus stating the small 16g. And I NEVER said my turbo is bigger than an srt4's turbo, All I said Is that Ican fit a 16g COMPRESSOR WHEEL which means the 14b can be made to fit a 16g compressor wheel either it be the 550 cfm or the 505). Im glad your doin reserch about the 14b being a first gen eclipse stock turbo. first gen gsx's and talons using the 14b turbo with bolt ons have hit the 12's all that needs to be done in Boost controller and fuel control and tuning. So dont compare srt4gurls 20k car to a gsx running 12's with a whole $2500 paid for the car and ALL MODS PUT TOGETHER.
Please look at what I originally posted. This is what I said:

I'm kinda lost here. I mean you have a smaller turbo then the Neon (Neon's come with a TD 04/05 from what I have been told, better known as the 16g). With the mods you have listed you can't be pushing over 260 whp, or atleast I wouldn't think that you would, cause Turbo Magazine tested the maximum output per turbo on the 4g63 engines (I believe they have the 16, g, 20 g, etc.. tested). His car is lighter then yours. Then again anything can happen on the street. Maybe this dude couldn't drive.
You then began to lecture me about the SRT-4 and how it had a 16 g turbo, when I already said that it has a 16g. I also stated that it had a Larger turbo then you!!!!!! I was right on both occassions. You could just put this behind you by saying that you were wrong, and I was right (Whtteg has corrected me before), instead of flamming me. Dude I originally stated that the car had a 16g turbo. You then told me that I needed to be instructed about the car, and how it has a 16g turbo (Which I already said). I hope you don't take credit for what other workers do/say at your workplace.

Please look at what I originally posted. This is what I said:

You then began to lecture me about the SRT-4 and how it had a 16 g turbo, when I already said that it has a 16g. I also stated that it had a Larger turbo then you!!!!!! I was right on both occassions. You could just put this behind you by saying that you were wrong, and I was right (Whtteg has corrected me before), instead of flamming me. Dude I originally stated that the car had a 16g turbo. You then told me that I needed to be instructed about the car, and how it has a 16g turbo (Which I already said). I hope you don't take credit for what other workers do/say at your workplace.


Larger Turbo than me yes, I NEVER stated my 14b was bigger than the srt4's turbo so how did you prove me wrong. Ok yes you said the srt4 has a 16g turbo but in technical terms its a small 16g which has a smaller compressor wheel than the evo8. Anyhow even with the srt4 having a bigger turbo it still lost. Thus proving the mods I have more than made up that diffrence even tho I have a MUCH HEAVYER CAR. Say LS1 you intrested in the 03 srt4 we got at the dealership..? Ill be sure to hook you up a good deal then show you how much I can walk a stock 03 srt4.

just shut up you cocky bitch god damn

find an experienced srt driver and go race him see what happends, and how about taking a trip to the track and gettin some times so you can actually get alittle respect if it runs well

i know its only a probe.. but unlike the str4 my motor and the 4g63 and the ej25 was designed from the factor as a turbo they didnt take a n/a motor and built it for turbo and sold it like a srt-4 it came from the factory from begining as a turbo motor,it was designed with all intentions of handling boost, someone didnt one day say "hey lest turbo this n/a motor and sell it" like with the srt4.. but the srt4 is fast, hell its 10x faster then my car but so is lots of things out there.. but put it against a car that was made for turbo like the evo's or sti.. not a turbo made for a ca like the str4..
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so an eclipse gs-t isn't made for turbo? the srt-4 will murder that. the wrx isn't made for turbo either? the srt-4 will beat that also. the 300zx wasn't made for turbo? they run the same times.

your statement of basically saying a srt-4 isn't a true turbo car and put it up agaisnt real turbo cars is as dumb as me saying "a camaro Z28 isn't a true v8 but a ss is"

civichbsi91 you need to calm down with all the name callin, you sound like a young kid, please restrain from ignorance

Yes daddy.....

Mind your own

If others can be biggot's so can I

but is he curing at you, better me than a moderator man, just calm down is all i'm saying, and i'm pretty sure i don't want to be your daddy!

not like it matters, this site is nothing it used to be, has gone down hill big time