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HURRICANE103
04-24-2004, 08:36 PM
Ok, Air that moves Faster has lower pressure, right? This what creates life for a wing, the shape of it, the top side distance is longer than the bottom, so the air has to flow over the top faster to meet up the air on the bottom. So if air was rushing around your nose at like 60mph, it'd be hard because the tendency is for the air to EXIT your nose.
Air has mass, for argument sake lets increase its mass to that of H2O. Now picture this, you're crankin through water with a funnel (RAM) at the front of your IROC. When the intake valve opens you don't think the cylendar is going to fill more completely than your Camaro that is aspirated from under the hood going the same speed, especially as RPMs build and the valve closes quicker. Please, get real. Sometimes its best to exadurate circumstances to see things clearer. I don't dispute the fact that aftermarket "RAM AIR" hoods give minimal performance gains especially at moderate speeds.
And if water exits your nose then you're filling your lungs to 100%, It might hurt but thats a 20% gain.
Air has mass, for argument sake lets increase its mass to that of H2O. Now picture this, you're crankin through water with a funnel (RAM) at the front of your IROC. When the intake valve opens you don't think the cylendar is going to fill more completely than your Camaro that is aspirated from under the hood going the same speed, especially as RPMs build and the valve closes quicker. Please, get real. Sometimes its best to exadurate circumstances to see things clearer. I don't dispute the fact that aftermarket "RAM AIR" hoods give minimal performance gains especially at moderate speeds.
And if water exits your nose then you're filling your lungs to 100%, It might hurt but thats a 20% gain.
HURRICANE103
04-24-2004, 08:55 PM
I don't i want to know that u r anywhere around 89's nose. What yall do on yalls own time is yalls business. Freakin sicko's.
Are you sure you don't mean drive it like YOU STROKE IT.
Are you sure you don't mean drive it like YOU STROKE IT.
z28 boy
04-24-2004, 09:02 PM
I don't get ur story all the way but correct me if i am wrong u are saying that the cars is basically under water right? IF so then to answer ur question NO. IF th car is surounded with water then the RAM does nothing to bring in more water unles it makes the water go straight into the intake which then it would be a supercharger.
HURRICANE103
04-24-2004, 09:05 PM
I don't get ur story all the way but correct me if i am wrong u are saying that the cars is basically under water right? IF so then to answer ur question NO. IF th car is surounded with water then the RAM does nothing to bring in more water unles it makes the water go straight into the intake which then it would be a supercharger.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
z28 boy
04-24-2004, 09:11 PM
So u are still saying that Ram Air and a supercharger are the same. The Ram of which u speak in the post doesn't work. the ss hood does not "force" air directly into the intake so again i say ur theory is wrong.
U can talk all the shit u want but as long as u don't do it to my face we won't have a problem.
U can talk all the shit u want but as long as u don't do it to my face we won't have a problem.
HURRICANE103
04-25-2004, 06:05 AM
So u are still saying that Ram Air and a supercharger are the same. The Ram of which u speak in the post doesn't work. the ss hood does not "force" air directly into the intake so again i say ur theory is wrong.
U can talk all the shit u want but as long as u don't do it to my face we won't have a problem.
I've wasted enough print.
U can talk all the shit u want but as long as u don't do it to my face we won't have a problem.
I've wasted enough print.
Joseph1082
04-25-2004, 12:57 PM
Yo, you CANNOT compared H20 and AIR, Water has a set volume Air does not, a gallon of water is always 1 Gallon.
VP/T ... Voulme Pressure and Temperature.
Pressure is constant, so as temp goes down, volume goes down, which means say, 1 gram of air get smaller as temp drops, so you can fit more air in a container of 5.7L. the only way to alter it other than this, is to increase pressure, which Ram Air doesn't do.
VP/T ... Voulme Pressure and Temperature.
Pressure is constant, so as temp goes down, volume goes down, which means say, 1 gram of air get smaller as temp drops, so you can fit more air in a container of 5.7L. the only way to alter it other than this, is to increase pressure, which Ram Air doesn't do.
HURRICANE103
04-25-2004, 06:07 PM
Yo, you CANNOT compared H20 and AIR, Water has a set volume Air does not, a gallon of water is always 1 Gallon.
VP/T ... Voulme Pressure and Temperature.
Pressure is constant, so as temp goes down, volume goes down, which means say, 1 gram of air get smaller as temp drops, so you can fit more air in a container of 5.7L. the only way to alter it other than this, is to increase pressure, which Ram Air doesn't do.
I know what I'm talking about. For example in my earliest days, porting 2-stroke cyledars; in my mind I used to substitute jello for air/fuel mixture in order to flow the intake and transfer ports. It worked. Please I don't need any jokes.
The same mass of water at sea level has a greater displacement than it does at the bottom of the sea. Though only slightly.
VP/T ... Voulme Pressure and Temperature.
Pressure is constant, so as temp goes down, volume goes down, which means say, 1 gram of air get smaller as temp drops, so you can fit more air in a container of 5.7L. the only way to alter it other than this, is to increase pressure, which Ram Air doesn't do.
I know what I'm talking about. For example in my earliest days, porting 2-stroke cyledars; in my mind I used to substitute jello for air/fuel mixture in order to flow the intake and transfer ports. It worked. Please I don't need any jokes.
The same mass of water at sea level has a greater displacement than it does at the bottom of the sea. Though only slightly.
89IROC&RS
04-25-2004, 07:19 PM
well now, water does not compress, not even at the bottom of the ocean, it has greater pressure certainly, but not density. so you cant substitute water for air in the equation, dosnt work. especially when were talking about a scoop compressing air in order to ram it into the engine, i mean common man, think about it.
Joseph1082
04-25-2004, 11:29 PM
Man, I hate posting info an then someone tells you that your are wrong, yo, water doesn't compress, go look in a science textbook on the states of matter, the only one w/o a set volume is Gas, well, Gas and Plasma, but since there is no plasma on earth, it's just Gas for you.
z28 boy
04-26-2004, 12:09 AM
He is never going to admit that he is wrong so this post is as good as done.
WS6er_02
04-26-2004, 08:03 AM
If ram air has no effect then where do the extra 15 hp come from the WS6 and SS over a T/A or Z28? Both have same engines and 15 horses is a fairly significant gain out of nowhere.
68chevelle
04-26-2004, 01:50 PM
just like it has been stated many times already it does not efectivly ram more air into your engine, it is not some kinda of forced induction. all it was designed to do was to bring colder air into the engine. now does that make more power, sure. not alot but colder air is more dense, wow that word reminds me of some people who dong get this whole thing. and yes the cooler denser air means there is more oxygen going into the cylinder, thats where you get the little amount of extra power, is simply from getting cooler air into the engine, not because its being ramed into the engine. i dont remember who said it and im not about ot go back and read that all over again to find it but all the ram air name is, is marketing. and i would say it was a damn good name for them to use cuz it got so many people believe that it actualy rams more air in there. with FI it builds up pressure from putting more air somewhere than can by used at that moment, between the turbo or super and the engine. if the engine could use all of the air that was being forced at it, it would not make and boot. now if you try to use air flow it doesnt work, cuz the air will assentialy back up agenst itself in the intake or in front of the the ram air and then the rest of the air will be displaced somewhere in the world. it wont just keep putting a constant amount of air in there. it will only allow as much air as the engine is taking in. so yes ram air works in that its a cold air intake but no it does not ram air into the engine and if you still think so, go back to 9th grade, if the people argueing agenst these points are even up to that yet, and go through highschool again. i guess they do need to make science more mandatory for students to take.
Pewter'01SS
04-26-2004, 02:29 PM
If ram air has no effect then where do the extra 15 hp come from the WS6 and SS over a T/A or Z28? Both have same engines and 15 horses is a fairly significant gain out of nowhere.
Exhaust upgrade.
Exhaust upgrade.
z28 boy
04-26-2004, 02:58 PM
Exhaust upgrade.
Exactly
Exactly
Joseph1082
04-26-2004, 03:15 PM
Don't SS and Z28's Dyno much closer than 15HP anyway
z28 boy
04-26-2004, 03:22 PM
My friends 02 Z28 with only a 80 series flowmaster muffler got 337 hp.
Joseph1082
04-26-2004, 05:40 PM
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