Anybody heard of Bafta

Has anybody heard about this company it is called Bafta, here is the link http://www.batfa.com/usedvehicles.html
If this site is phony please let me know. Thay have some good deals on cars.

yea. but it doesnt matter, either way you have to go through motorex.

Yeah, Bafta is a good site. It's a japanese exporter, so the car has to be legalized once it arrives in the US.

However, often you can find better total prices (car+shipping+conversion) since you only pay the conversion cost to Motorex, instead of their vehicle price.

yea you can definatly find better overall prices. another one i just remembered was the Komei Trading Company at http://www.komei-trading.com/.

Bafta is a good website. here's another good one http://www.cineaction.co.jp/japanese_used_cars/stk/stk_list.cgi?mk=NISSAN

Thanks alot for the info! I was just wondering do sites like Bafta, Konei, and cineaction have plans of monthly payments? Or do you have to give them the whole amount in one shot?

I've heard that you gots to send some certain amount of money first so they can put the car on hold i think and then pay the rest right away so they can ship you the car. After that, the car is not the dealer's responsability and they will not do anything for you to legalize the car in ur country, it's up to you. For further info, go read the Q/A, they explain more than what i can

When you buy a GTR through them, can you make plans with Motorex to have them take delivery or is it up to you to take delivery and then bring it to Motorex? Also, how do you deal with customs by not going directly through Motorex?

you dont deal with customs by not going to motorex...theyll keep your car and charge you for storage.

Yes there ok but kinda pricey. If your looking to import id recommend J's garage they 're very friendly and well help you through everything.
Here's the site www.J-garage.com (http://www.J-garage.com) Another is komies or monky's they very good to and very cheap.

Thanks Man! Actually I didn't find the prices at BAfta to be very different from J's, but they would probably help you alot more through the process than Bafta. I have one quick question. How would the Car get to MOTOREX for legalization? Would I tell the Company to ship it there staright to Motorex, or what would I do?

Well usually you would tell the importing company (ex. j'sgarage) to ship it to the U.S an importing company usaully handels the customs fileing. An import MUST be filed to customs. Then once that is done then you give motorex the importing company's name. motorex will probly contact them and find out the cars arrival and where and what port the car will come in.
Then motorex will legalize it and you have a nice skyline. (A tip if a dealer aka importing company says they will not provide shipping or handel the paper work and make you have to pay extra for a shipping company to do it Dont buy from them) shipping is about 500-1500 dollars if the import company does not include shipping. The worst is if you have to file through customs (its the biggest headache in the world).

This might seem like alot of info but trust me once you see how easy the steps are it gets pretty simple. heres another site there really cheap (monkys) http://www.monkys.jp/e/

Any other ?'s just let me know

question: Does motorex convert other japanese right hand vehicles like supras, sylvias, etc or nissan skylines only?

Any RI may convert a Japanese car, you just have to find one that can or will. Go to NHTSA's website and get the list of registered importer and start calling around. Here's the current list as of March 2004:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/web_RI_list03012004.html

Now, the problem is that RHD vehicles have to be specified as being allowed in under the vehicle eligibility list:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/ELIG102803.html

The Skyline is the only RHD allowed in the US if you look at that list. That means that any RHD vehicles imported must be converted/crash tested and shown to fit US safety laws. Then once that is done, you may get one converted and US road legal. In other words, it's really not worth it in my opinion.

Question: Does motorex convert other japanese right hand vehicles like supras, sylvias, etc or nissan skylines only?

No they only do skylines. Any other would be pointless cause there are already U.s supras etc.

Ill just build the sky and not have to meet any reg's at all.
r34 gt-s 2.5 + gtr engine will do fine to meet the kit car policy. As stated in customs section 3520-1 http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/kitcar.htm
But thats for the U.S only~

Has anyone imported through Batfa? I wonder if they are credible...? Not bad prices... I think to legalize would cost $12,000 from MOTOREX?

Legalize which skyline though r32 right. r34's are 24,000+.

Ill just build the sky and not have to meet any reg's at all.
r34 gt-s 2.5 + gtr engine will do fine to meet the kit car policy. As stated in customs section 3520-1 http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/kitcar.htm
But thats for the U.S only~

You might want to re-read items 3, 4, and 5 or get a clarification from an attorney...

based on the way I read it, what you're planning to do is still illegal and can not be classified as a kit car... :nono:

Yeah, paragraph 5 is what says that a manufactured car cannot be disassembled and imported as a kit car. So, if you do that and the EPA/DOT or Customs catches you, it's illegal and the car will be confiscated/fines issued/etc. etc.

More dead-ends on how to bypass Motorex.

[QUOTE=GTES-t]Yeah, paragraph 5 is what says that a manufactured car cannot be disassembled and imported as a kit car. So, if you do that and the EPA/DOT or Customs catches you, it's illegal and the car will be confiscated/fines issued/etc. etc.

More dead-ends on how to bypass Motorex.

But If there being sold. That is the only time u you will get a fine and I dought there gonna come hard at you if your 1 person.

So has anyone here bought from Batfa?

I paid them in full via (tt)wire transfer on march 10th for an integra, now its more than 2 months later, and the car is still there...i called several times, they said it has been delayed. first i was told the 4th of april, then the 29th, now it is still there..

plus they don't answer emails any more

This is exactly what I'm afraid of doing. Sending all my money over there and not even being sure if the business is legit!

9D3RST I hope you get your car soon man, it's really dissapointing to hear shit like this happening! I would be worried if it has been more than 3 months and you still haven't received any notification from them about your cars status. I know you said they aren't answering any more e-mails (In fact I have sent them e-mails about 3 months ago and they never bothered to reply) but are they taking phone calls? If they are call them as often as you can and try to get some info. I wish you the best of luck man!

I know 9D3RST car is an Integra but I believe that the best way of finding a SKyline would simply be through Motorex. I know many of you have found great deals in many other sites, and think that Motorex is too expensive, but unless you are 100% sure these other sites are legit you shouldn't risk losing thousands of dollars on such transactions.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of doing. Sending all my money over there and not even being sure if the business is legit!

9D3RST I hope you get your car soon man, it's really dissapointing to hear shit like this happening! I would be worried if it has been more than 3 months and you still haven't received any notification from them about your cars status. I know you said they aren't answering any more e-mails (In fact I have sent them e-mails about 3 months ago and they never bothered to reply) but are they taking phone calls? If they are call them as often as you can and try to get some info. I wish you the best of luck man!

I know 9D3RST car is an Integra but I believe that the best way of finding a SKyline would simply be through Motorex. I know many of you have found great deals in many other sites, and think that Motorex is too expensive, but unless you are 100% sure these other sites are legit you shouldn't risk losing thousands of dollars on such transactions.

Well if u have the money then the only real 100% safe way is to go through motorex.

yeah, no replies to emails anymore. however they do answer the phone usually, thats my only communication with them right now. i call and ask about the status of my car, i give the car #, and i have been told it has been delayed. now their shipping schedule is not updated once again (before i bought the car from them it was down at least a month)

Is there anyone living near Tokyo on these boards that could maybe check them out? to reassure me that they are in fact legit..people on here and other sites have recommended Batfa, but now i am skeptical.

yea probly cuz of all the terrorism shipping policys :uhoh:

yeah, no replies to emails anymore. however they do answer the phone usually, thats my only communication with them right now. i call and ask about the status of my car, i give the car #, and i have been told it has been delayed. now their shipping schedule is not updated once again (before i bought the car from them it was down at least a month)

Is there anyone living near Tokyo on these boards that could maybe check them out? to reassure me that they are in fact legit..people on here and other sites have recommended Batfa, but now i am skeptical.


Bah I remember someone on here said Batfa was selling Skylines. Seems that they are more full of shit than anything else. On another forums I attened that name came up also and some guy is still fighting to get his $80k back for the R34 GTR he supposedly bought from them.

why would you spend $80k and buy a skyline from them, when you can spend $50k or less and have a legalized one through MotoRex?

maybe this is how Japanese bussinesses operate, they don't go one step outta their way to notify a customer that there car has been delayed on being shipped out.

I found a message on some complaint board, some guy in NZ bought a car from them, but they sent him the base model of the car (not what he paid for) and the car was damaged. that is the only negative stuff i have heard about Batfa Japan Inc.
click here for the link (http://www.complaints.com/december2001/complaintoftheday.december1.7.htm)

Well that complaint letter does it for me! Is there a company which investigates fraudulent car exportes or something of that sort?

see, I don't necessarly believe they are fraudulant...this is the only complaint I can find against them, this may just be an isolated incident really..i can't say at this point.

what i'm going to do is just give this transaction a little more time (until their shipping schedule is updated) then I will call again and inquire about the integra i purchased, hopefully it will actually go out the 3rd scheduled time and i will have a bill of lading & other documents soon after.

this may sound like a stupid question but...im thinking of importing the skyline to canada(shipping 900 us bucks)
is there a way where i can have the car towed or drivin to motorex?

this may sound like a stupid question but...im thinking of importing the skyline to canada(shipping 900 us bucks)
is there a way where i can have the car towed or drivin to motorex?

I think you can have them pick it up right @ the loading docks. Im not sure if thats including if you buy the skyline from them. You might have to pay for a car transport to pick it up.

Anyone else have anything to say about Batfa Japan Inc.?

When researching the legitimacy of a business in Japan, they have a special code that issued to them via the government which ensures that they are on the up and up. I can't remember what it is right this second. For some reason "trust code" keeps popping up but that has to do with TT's, so I don't think it is the same thing.....
Someone made the remark---"I guess this is how business is done in Japan"---NO NO NO. The Japanese are the most upstanding and honest business people there are, especially in the used car business. If BAFTA is indeed a bad outfit, then they are a part of a VERY SLIM minority.
I was suspicious of them for a while but I can't remember why. I will look into this stuff more (especially into that gov.issued code) no later than Tomorrow night, hopefully, and advise....I got to sleep now!

mB

thanks SAPrez...
make sure you spell it right when researching though...its Batfa.com...i dont know why everyone inverts the "t" and "f". :biggrin:

The code I was thinking of is called the "Company Registration Number", which is given to a company by the Japanese government which confirms that they are legally registered and a legitimate company, and also verifies their address....If you ever have questions about a company, their history, or wonder about their credibility, you can use this number to call the local equilivant of the Japanese trade commission(not sure if that is what this entity is called....if someone knows feel free to interject) and inquire about the company and see if they have had any problems or complaints issued against them in the past.
In Batfa.com's case they LOOK legitimate---quite a bit of their site rings true....I remember I had them on my list of favorites on my old computer......Your best case scenario would be to contact them and ask for their "Company Registration Number"----any legitimate company in Japan would be more than happy to give this to you, no questions asked, unless they had something to hide or didn't have one at all.....The only thing that rings suspicious to me is that they don't have it on their home page although that page claims they are registered...If they ARE registered they will have this number, which they will give you, and you can call Tokyo and confirm it. Otherwise, they are something to be wary of.

Michael Bernard

FURTHER COMMENT---to 9D3RST (the person who has wired them money and not recieved the vehicle or knows of it's being shipped)---did they ever send you the receipt (as stated on their "how to buy a car")?
Also, look at their "shipping schedule"---I don't see anything bound for the US....
Keep us updated on what you learn. I am also inquiring as to their CRN and will confirm their existance, reputation, etc, and keep everyone updated as well.....

mB

The code I was thinking of is called the "Company Registration Number", which is given to a company by the Japanese government which confirms that they are legally registered and a legitimate company, and also verifies their address....If you ever have questions about a company, their history, or wonder about their credibility, you can use this number to call the local equilivant of the Japanese trade commission(not sure if that is what this entity is called....if someone knows feel free to interject)

Michael Bernard



mB

I think I will interject right about here....

What you are talking about is a "kobutsu shou", or a license to deal in used motor vehicles. It is a bitch to get, and I should know as I have one. If you asked for my particular number, I would tell you to get bent. That would be the same as me giving you my social security number or a credit card number. I will tell you where I am registered, and you can inquire throught the local police station. That is the LEGAL process for doing this.

Now, most everything else you said is true. It is hard as hell to get the license here in Japan, and no dealer to my knowledge will conduct bad business, but the universal law of commerce applies: caveat emptor.

NO, they never did send an "official recipt soon after payemnt confirmation" as they state on their page.

Matada, you're in Japan correct?
few questions, have you personally heard of them?
Dealt with them?
Known someone who has dealt with them?
What do you suggest i do about getting my car or my $2,900.00 back?

its been nearly 4 months now since i paid for this car, this is total bullshit the way they're operating...

recently i faxed them a copy of my wire transfer recipt, and requested that "the offical recipt" be faxed back to me...i've yet to get a fax back, a phone call or an email.

They do speak english, but not very well..

Im open to any suggestions you guys have about this..
I can use that money to convert a lhd integra to rhd, more time consuming but hell it has been 3.5 months already, i could have been done with this..

NO, they never did send an "official recipt soon after payemnt confirmation" as they state on their page.

Matada, you're in Japan correct?
few questions, have you personally heard of them?
Dealt with them?
Known someone who has dealt with them?
What do you suggest i do about getting my car or my $2,900.00 back?

its been nearly 4 months now since i paid for this car, this is total bullshit the way they're operating...

recently i faxed them a copy of my wire transfer recipt, and requested that "the offical recipt" be faxed back to me...i've yet to get a fax back, a phone call or an email.

They do speak english, but not very well..

Im open to any suggestions you guys have about this..
I can use that money to convert a lhd integra to rhd, more time consuming but hell it has been 3.5 months already, i could have been done with this..


Send me all their info and the info on your transaction via PM. I can't promise I will do any good, but I can call them and figure out the situation.

Mark

I hope it works, I feel so bad when fucked up shit like that happens...bastards stealing hard earned money, I hope they get busted or get their asses kicked severly

thanks matada..the pm wouldnt work on my computer for some reason, but i emailed you all the emails i got from batfa

Called Bafta. Bullsit artists is my opinion.

Talked with Komaru San regarding your car. He claims he informed you they were waiting on available space on the boat. I gave him my number and told him he needed to speed things up as you were about to contact the Japanese authorities through me.

He said he would be contacting a friend regarding the shipping and would call me back today.


Mark

...they didnt explain nothing, all they told me was "its been delayed"..every time i call i get to hear this BS...and that took a phone call from ME @ $2.53/min to find out...i never heard of any car being delayed for nearly 4 months because they are out of room on a ship..this is bullshit....another thing...why is the car i paid them $2900 for still listed on the site as available? They don't send me a confirmation reciept, no emails after they got my money, never faxed me back....Greg

9D3RST have you checked with MotoRex lately? Last I heard they were not complying Skylines. I know there was some issues with the DOT.

I highly suggest you contact them asap, because if you get a Skyline shipped to the states odds are it will be confiscated. Currently that makes NO ONE legalizing them.

9D3RST have you checked with MotoRex lately? Last I heard they were not complying Skylines. I know there was some issues with the DOT.

I highly suggest you contact them asap, because if you get a Skyline shipped to the states odds are it will be confiscated. Currently that makes NO ONE legalizing them.

This might not be a bad thing. Im sure there will be other people who will be willing to do it. It isnt like a business can't do it. If an automotive place is will to spend the money on legalaztion and getting the permit can they??

Did you purchase stock # MD 101? (black R32)

mB

I did not buy a skyline, i bought a 2nd generation (1992) Honda Integra...stock #3277 on their honda used car list...

I did not buy a skyline, i bought a 2nd generation (1992) Honda Integra...stock #3277 on their honda used car list...

Thats what I thought you bought where the hell did the skyline come from??? :eek7:

I don't know...either way that company sells skylines too, and i dont want to see anyone get ripped off buying one of those...

Okay, sorry for the confusion.....I guess I ASSUMED he bought a skyline....I tend to skimread stuff to catch up on things if I haven't been around since a rather long thread has developed....

mB

Okay, sorry for the confusion.....I guess I ASSUMED he bought a skyline....I tend to skimread stuff to catch up on things if I haven't been around since a rather long thread has developed....

mB

Eh its not just you we all do that once in a while dont worry about it.

any imported Skys will always go to Motorex

That may not be the case forever....

Hi there Im pretty new here but I did all the necessary research to get a car from japan,,...looked at all the importers and agents over there and I COULD recommened you one that wont Jit u for your money.....I myself purchased a nissan skyline and Im living in Germany...so talk about the logistics of getting one of them fine ass cars here.....well who ever wants to know Ill be happy to help...cars in stock are in very well condition no bs.....

any imported Skys will always go to Motorex


As SaPrez says not for ever and hopefully not much longer.


I myself purchased a nissan skyline and Im living in Germany...so talk about the logistics of getting one of them fine ass cars here.....well who ever wants to know Ill be happy to help...cars in stock are in very well condition no bs.....

So you are saying you've got cars on "YOUR" lot in the States? You can import them and comply them, and legally sell them Really?!?

Show me! Bullshit me and see ya wouldn't want to be ya.

RazorGTR-
I believe ER34GTt was meaning Germany.....Not U.S. The wording is just a little unclear.

mB

Thanks I was waiting to see what happend with your TEG. So sorry about it man.

im curious to what razorgtr has planned.. or knows

im curious to what razorgtr has planned.. or knows

Razor knows whats goin on with the legality crap he l tell us when hes ready which hopefully will be soon :biggrin:

DAMN 9D3RST what happened?