Cobra vs Supra

The age old battle between the Supra and the Cobra. We've all seen the videos and I wanna know what u all think. American Muscle or Japanese Performance?

Age Old Battle?heh NOOB!!! LoL :loser: :rofl:
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Of course it is an age old battle or do you forget the classic Toyota Supras of the late 60's doing battle with the Shelby Cobra Stangs?

GTStang are you kidding? You dont really here stories about Cobras racing supras in the 60's, cause first of all the Supra didnt exist. If your talking about the Celica then still I've never heard of them as rivals during that time period.

Maybe in the Trans Am racing series but I don know. If your not kidn please school me.

Also I like your sig cause its true ;)

i will almost always say japanese performance imo is better than american muscle. and in this case, i am going too. i don't really like american muscle (if you call me non-american because of that, you are just plain ignorant) because it just doesn't excite me as much.

Of course it is an age old battle or do you forget the classic Toyota Supras of the late 60's doing battle with the Shelby Cobra Stangs?

Well, there was the Toyota 2000GT of the late 60's that competed in many race events and eventually gave rise to the Supra.

The car performed admirably, shattering 11 international racing records including one in which the 2000GT averaged 128mph for 10,000miles and 72 hours. When production ceased in October of 1970, only 337 units had left the factory with 54 of those going to the U.S.

Which Cobra... because I think I can safely say that that in stock form the 03+ will smoke the Supra. 320HP vs. 390HP.

Actually the 03 Cobra is a pretty even match for a Supra TT in the straights... and both have the honor of being famous dyno queens.

Though if you want to be "fair" I suppose you would compare with a 93 Cobra... The 03 Cobra has 10 years of development on the Supra, so it SHOULD be faster

i don't totally agree with the statement supra is a good match in straight line with a cobra. never seen a 03 cobra run worse than 13.2 though i only knew of 2 that were stock. i've seen supra's run 13.8 constantly 13.6 in mags i've read 13.4 all over the internet i've read a mag that said the supra ran a 13.1, i've only seen the best of 13.5 with my own 2 eye's but cobras on the other hand in mags and in sight i see 12.9-8 as low as 12.79 and as high as 13.2, so more than likely i believe the cobra would 8/10 times win

GTStang are you kidding? You dont really here stories about Cobras racing supras in the 60's, cause first of all the Supra didnt exist. If your talking about the Celica then still I've never heard of them as rivals during that time period.

Maybe in the Trans Am racing series but I don know. If your not kidn please school me.

Also I like your sig cause its true ;)

Ok you count as 2 kills

#1 Somehow you missed my sarcasim in that post becuase obviously Supra did not exist!!!

#2 If you think my sig is serious you need some serious help!


As far as dyno queens yea the 03 Cobra have put up silly numbers on dynos but they have been putting up crazy low ET's also.

Best mag times I have seen for 03 Cobras 12.7XX for a Vert, 12.5XX for a hardtop.

I'd still take a Supra, Mustang quality control is shocking while neither set wold on fire in terms of handling, the straight line speeds are evenly matched, plus- 2JZ's are easier to mod than Ford V8's in places that aren't North America.

i don't totally agree with the statement supra is a good match in straight line with a cobra. never seen a 03 cobra run worse than 13.2 though i only knew of 2 that were stock. i've seen supra's run 13.8 constantly 13.6 in mags i've read 13.4 all over the internet i've read a mag that said the supra ran a 13.1, i've only seen the best of 13.5 with my own 2 eye's but cobras on the other hand in mags and in sight i see 12.9-8 as low as 12.79 and as high as 13.2, so more than likely i believe the cobra would 8/10 times win

Yeah but the Supra has always been a bad 1/4 mile car. The Cobra probably has a slight edge through the 1/4 but try them at higher speed rolling starts.

Supra's modded or stock have proved to be much better at 120+mph. While the Cobra's live for the 1320. I guess it all depends what you want from your car. But I don't really care about doing 160mph+ in my car. My cares are from stoplight to stoplight.

Ok you count as 2 kills

#1 Somehow you missed my sarcasim in that post becuase obviously Supra did not exist!!!

#2 If you think my sig is serious you need some serious help!


As far as dyno queens yea the 03 Cobra have put up silly numbers on dynos but they have been putting up crazy low ET's also.

Best mag times I have seen for 03 Cobras 12.7XX for a Vert, 12.5XX for a hardtop.


For #1. Just making sure

For #2. ;) meant sarcasm or joking


And about the comment about supras being about equal to 03 cobras in straight lines that the Moderator made is a lil off, stock cobras trap speeds are like 109mph and up. Supras are around 104-106 mph. I'd say BPU Supras are a very very close match for 03 Cobras.

I'd like to chime in with my opinion.

The 2JZ is easier to squeeze power out of than the V8, but It will hit its power potential cieling alot sooner than the V8. The V8 has a higher potential when it comes to the sub 10 second times.

It does have Toyota reliability and slightly superior cornering abilities, but when it comes to the 1/4 I'd give the slight advantage to the Cobra. Not to mention the cost of modifications are significantly cheaper for the Cobra.

Either way they are both great cars and you coudlnt go wrong with either, its up to your preference really. I think the Supra is a better all trac car and highway runner.

But the Supra vs Mustang isnt the age old rivalry, thats strictly a Camero issue.

Yeah but the Supra has always been a bad 1/4 mile car. The Cobra probably has a slight edge through the 1/4 but try them at higher speed rolling starts.

yeah thats true, i agree

I'm just curious, I don't think stock for stock the supra will pull on the cobra at any speed. I don't know about the 03+ cause I never drove one, but I know how v8's are from my LS1, and I still have gobs of power in the top-end... I fly from 110-120-130 as quickly as some cars go from 10-20-30. Unless the Cobra is totally different, which I don't think it is, it has power, period, top and bottom. And usually I thought that greater # of cylinders gives you a top speed advantage, but I might wrong and it might go to the boosters with the revs.

I'd like to chime in with my opinion.

The 2JZ is easier to squeeze power out of than the V8, but It will hit its power potential cieling alot sooner than the V8. The V8 has a higher potential when it comes to the sub 10 second times.

It does have Toyota reliability and slightly superior cornering abilities, but when it comes to the 1/4 I'd give the slight advantage to the Cobra. Not to mention the cost of modifications are significantly cheaper for the Cobra.

Either way they are both great cars and you coudlnt go wrong with either, its up to your preference really. I think the Supra is a better all trac car and highway runner.

But the Supra vs Mustang isnt the age old rivalry, thats strictly a Camero issue.


It's easier to squeeze power out of a 2JZ than a 03 Cobra please explain this to me?

I'm just curious, I don't think stock for stock the supra will pull on the cobra at any speed. I don't know about the 03+ cause I never drove one, but I know how v8's are from my LS1, and I still have gobs of power in the top-end... I fly from 110-120-130 as quickly as some cars go from 10-20-30. Unless the Cobra is totally different, which I don't think it is, it has power, period, top and bottom. And usually I thought that greater # of cylinders gives you a top speed advantage, but I might wrong and it might go to the boosters with the revs.

well i can tell you this, a supra is faster than my car stock for stock with just exhaust and intake(saying that i was about equal with the speed of a supra if not slower) i have out run my friends moms 96 cobra on the freeway and i've raced a trans am ls1 on the freeway and won, by only 1 1/2 car lenghts but i won, shot by at about 140mph a supra is known for bieng a freeway beast, so as far as the older cobra's like your talking about most likely the supra is gonna run away from the cobra but a 03 cobra is faster than the others more hp, now there you have a good arguement.

see if you read i mentioned a cobra is faster than the supra, then he mentioned yeah in the 1320 but what about the freeway since its know for being mean in that category, then i said yeah thats true it is known to be a monster on the freeway. so you have a good arguement is the cobra faster than the supra on the freeway or at high speeds?

I think the main reasoning behind why which car has more acceleration on the top end would be rather looking at hp numbers, check out how their geared. Ive found some gearing numbers for both, I'm not positive their absolutely correct since I've found them on the net, but I'm sure their close. I'm using the 03' Cobra and the 98TT as examples.

03' Cobra:
1st Gear Ratio 2.66:1
2nd Gear 1.78:1
3rd 1.3:1
4th 1.1:1
5th 0.8:1
6th 0.63:1
Final Drive 3.55:1

98' Supra TT:
1st Gear Ratio 3.827:1
2nd Gear 2.36:1
3rd 1.685:1
4th 1.312:1
5th 1:1
6th 0.793:1
Final Drive 3.133:1

I hope this kinda explains things a little better. The six gear in the Cobra is so low its probably almost usless in the topend, which in turn, gives the Supra a much better advantage since it can actually use all of its 6th gear up top. Not to mention the final drive ratio is very high on the Cobra (another reason for it being very quick off the squat). I know the Cobra/Vette/Viper all share the T56 tranny, and the Vettes top gear its practically useless at high speeds. The Viper is probably the only one with enough torque to use it. The best way to figure out which one would be faster would be equip them with the same gearing (if possible).

Bottom line: Supra is geared for highspeeds, the Cobra is geared for acceleration off the go.

thing is the though gearing is lower, the cobra has 70 extra horses and 75lbs more tq, bu the supra weighs 200lbs less. but i've heard for every 100lbs if you add 10hp you stay even, you get me?

Horsepower : 390 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 390 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline : unknown

Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 4.7 sec.
0-¼ mile : 12.7 sec @ 110.1 mph
60-0 braking distance : 116 ft

Curb Weight : 3664 lbs(coupe)
Overall length : 183.5 in.
Wheelbase : 101.3 in.
Overall Width : 73.1 in.
Height : 52.6 in.

Ok, the numbers for the T56 are a little off.
Second, the Mustang may have a lower (numerically) sixth but the Supra has a lower Final drive, so it kind of evens out. And anyway highway racing is done pretty much in 4th and 5th... when R u honestly going to be in a race that is solely in 6th gear? As YoungVR4 has mentioned, by priginal point, the Cobra has HOW many more horses, so it really doesn't matter anyway, it is faster, period. There are no special cases where a supra is faster.
Young, when you say YOUR car, you mean your VR4, or your LS1?

Ok, the numbers for the T56 are a little off.
Second, the Mustang may have a lower (numerically) sixth but the Supra has a lower Final drive, so it kind of evens out. And anyway highway racing is done pretty much in 4th and 5th... when R u honestly going to be in a race that is solely in 6th gear? As YoungVR4 has mentioned, by priginal point, the Cobra has HOW many more horses, so it really doesn't matter anyway, it is faster, period. There are no special cases where a supra is faster.
Young, when you say YOUR car, you mean your VR4, or your LS1?

Is the peak hp number your only reason for saying the Cobra is faster, or do you have anything solid to stand on?

I think people are a lil confused about the topic because the threadstarter meant 03 Cobras. I know this cause I know him personaly and we were talking about this on the phone. And yes, no matter what the gearing is on the Supra, the 03 Cobra just has too many ponys under the hood. But like I've said before a barely BPU Supra is a very Good match for a 03 Cobra. Any other stock Cobra will lose to a stock Supra on a roll, but hell, newer GT's with good drivers and tires can play with Supras in the 1/4 mile.

Ok, since others have agreed with me, it looks like I AM standing on something solid. Ok, I don't have a 03 Cobra sitting on a dyno in my garage, but i'd assume that its peak HP is not just a fluke but that it has a steady climb toward it. It is Supercharged, not Turbo, so there is no lag, the boost rises steady w/ the RPMs because it is belt-driven. It also has 390ft*lb's of Torque, which I'd assume it makes somewhere in the middle, especially because of the Supercharger. I'd also have to say that it has a nice flat torque curve after that, maintaining that force, especially becasue Torque=HP somewhere in excess of 5000RPMs but before 6, I forget the exact number. My point was that saying this obviously less powerful car can hang with a much more powerful car is absurd! Thanks for the attack.

Obviously you completely missed the point.

My dad's truck has as much power and wayyy more torque than both, and is a good deal slower than a stock Civic Si. If you think it's faster because that number is bigger, you're missing out on the other like 75% of what makes a car fast. Saying "It's faster cuz it has 70 more hp", that is absurd.

So my question was, do you actually have any real evidence that a Cobra will pull away from a Supra from a rolling start, or are you basing this all off of the hp rating? I'm talking like a 70-120mph acceleration test ideally, something like that. Cuz you're sitting here acting like what you're saying is the God spoken truth, but you haven't really gave any evidence other than "cuz I say so", now have you?

BTW, why is this limited to straight line acceleration only? The Supra handles better too...

Ok, but the truck weighs twice what the Civic weighs, speed = power/weight ration. The truck also makes a lot of Torque up front so it can tow etc. as opposed to the civic which makes whatever little power it does casue its redline is at 8400. Power is a function of Force, Distance, and time (Time is in the denominator, less is more, quicker is better) I expalined how I know the Cobra accelerates, not that it makes high peak HP for some other reason like towing. They are both race cars and so have similar powerbands, actually the Cobra's is better, NO LAG! Not that I have owned a Supra but after you debate the Supra people (who think that the Supra is God) and make them realize it isn't the fastest 1/4 car compared to american muscle, then they bring up the point it is faster on the Highway... WHO THE HELL MADE THAT ONE UP. It has the same power/torque curves whether racing from a stop or on the highway. As for gearing, the person who tried to prove it had Highway gearing actually proved that the gearing is somewhat similar... the Supra has faster high gears but the Cobra has a faster final drive gear so it even out. Oh, and I figure the Cobra is somewhat similar to my Camaro LS1 which I do own and drive and can tell you is a beast.

Oh, as far as I know unless the 03 Cobra has Suspension upgrades from other mustangs the Supra will handle better. But so marginally it probably doesn't make a difference anyway.

joseph1082

hold it buddy, going of the statement 10hp make up for every 100lbs means the stang is more like 50hp ahead of the supra. example i've known of a supra taking a c5 vette down the highway, only by half a car length. vette at 350hp weighing less and having 30hp more than the supra still lost. what turbo lag are you speaking of? at high speeds like that there is no turbo lag its pretty much constant boost. hp isn't everything whats the power band like at high speeds and in 3rd 4th and 5th gear wich is more aero dynamic wich has better gearing if the supra's gearing is out doing the cobra in 3rd 4th and 5th then its pretty much a done deal. 3rd gear can take you to around 120mph alone.

i'm not saying your wrong i'm just saying there is alot more to speed then what you've mentioned. so don't go believing for a fact that your right. :nono:


btw i was speaking of my vr4. i don't have a ls1, but my dad has a c5 vette.

As far as powerband goes, which car has a higher redline? Higher redline means you can hold lower gears longer and put more torque to the wheels to ultimately go faster.

Look at the gear ratios. 3rd gear multiplied by final drive - Supra = 5.28 and Cobra = 4.62. 4th gear - Supra = 4.11 Cobra = 3.90. 5th gear - Supra = 3.13 Cobra = 2.8. 6th gear - Supra = 2.84 Cobra = 2.24. So you can see the Supra has more acceleration oriented gears in all of 3rd-6th than the Cobra, and it's a pretty big difference too, more than enough to make up for power.

I'm not even gonna try to look up cD or frontal area figures right now cuz I'm not really that interested

There is only a 3 mph difference in trap speeds as reported by Car and Driver, and the Supra is known for being much faster from a high speed roll than it is in the 1/4. The Cobra owners I know, on the other hand, say the car just isn't aerodynamic enough at high speeds and starts to lose some of it's steam. The Camaro guys I know say the same about their cars. Of course, these are guys who have ridden in a Supra so they know what to compare.

...You have actually ridden in a Supra, so that you have something to compare to when you say you car "is a beast", right? (which I'm not really sure how a Camaro came into the discussion in the 1st place :confused: )

So it comes back to, can you show some type of figures for the Supra and Cobra in a 80-150 mph run or something similar? I can't find anything like that, but all the evidence is pointing to that they're gonna be pretty close, which is what I 1st suggested.

I honestly could care less which car is faster 80-150mph. Maybe 80-120 at the most. But to buy a car that really only shines at 120mph+ or so... This car is no good at 1/4 mile track nor is this car going to be very amazing at a road track(not saying stangs are great there but niether are Supras). So this car has no home to show itself except on a dyno or doing 120mph+ on a highway. I don't hate Supras but explain to me where Supras belong? I'm just talking bout stock or very nearly stock Supras.

I honestly could care less which car is faster 80-150mph. Maybe 80-120 at the most. But to buy a car that really only shines at 120mph+ or so... This car is no good at 1/4 mile track nor is this car going to be very amazing at a road track(not saying stangs are great there but niether are Supras). So this car has no home to show itself except on a dyno or doing 120mph+ on a highway. I don't hate Supras but explain to me where Supras belong? I'm just talking bout stock or very nearly stock Supras.

Hence "dyno queen" ;) Give me an STi or EVO over both.



80-150 was just an example though, I just wanted to see any type of real timed comparison from a rolling start.

there not very good 1/4 mile cars because most people can't get them to run the times that it can run. but c/d ran the supra in 93 at 13.1
call it what you want but thats fast as hell especially in 93. most people can only run it at 13.5. there's supra's at rediculous hp numbers and the engine is gold if you ask me. so were does it stand, at one of the best japanese cars ever made. and it can handle pretty dang good with a skidpad of .98g thats not everything about handling but it has a lot to do with it and thats a nice a$$ number.

idelaysionl were you talking to me when you made the beast comment?

Ok, C&D is not reliable, everyone can agree magazine's are ridiculous. Also, I think it is very very rare when a Supra beats a C5 in any condition.
Ok, for skidpad, the figure I come up with for the Supra is .94, never heard that .98.
The ratios posted by the Mod are fairly close, though Supra has the edge in 3rd-6th... wait, the Cobra has more horse and more torque to make up for it.
My comment about no lag was to point out how straight up engine power (or supercharged power) is more consistant than Turbo power.
LS1 came up because I pointed out that although I NEVEr drove the Cobra I drive the LS1 which I'd asumed is fairly similar in it's performance, which I said is a beast, therefore the Cobra is a beast.
Higher Redline may sound good to you, but think... it takes that car LONGER to reach maximum power/torque, so the Cobra is already there. It [Supra] may have a higher top speed due to higher redlind/higher revs.
V8's are know to have good top end power, all those cylinders. And like I said, HP and TQ advantage goes to Mustang... let's just find two people with these cars and find out!

idelaysionl were you talking to me when you made the beast comment?

No. And there are some 9 second street Supras out there that are only making ~700wph, so there not ALL dyno queens. Same goes for the Cobra, there are some really quick ones out there, but there are also a lot that can't seem to get out of the 12's reliably no matter how much power they have.

Higher Redline may sound good to you, but think... it takes that car LONGER to reach maximum power/torque,

Not if it's geared right...

As far as magazine times go.... usually find the best one anywhere and add .5 to it and that is about the average you will see from it daily driven by anybody type times. Which workson a 03 Cobra's best of 12.5XX hardtop 12.7XXX Vert gives you a low to mid 13 which I agree is average what you will see when driven by any Tom, Dick and Harry. And The same works for the Supra which is about a 13.8 or so. Those are the mean of the times you see when they up at the 1320.

Ok, C&D is not reliable, everyone can agree magazine's are ridiculous. Also, I think it is very very rare when a Supra beats a C5 in any condition
how often do you go to the track? i've seen lots of supra's run 13.5 the slowest i've seen is 13.8 and with intake one was doing 13.2 like 3 times in a row

you say add .5 sec but i see vr4's run faster times then the mag tested ALL the time at 13.5 all day long. i've seen c5 vett's run 13.5 lots of times also so its not so rare to see a supra beat a c5 vette. my dad has a c5 vette that i drive at least once a week. and i've seen supra's in action and they are highway monsters. yes the cobra has more hp but it has aero, gearing and weight against it. if you ask me that kinda evens things out. personally i think it would be a very good race.

how often do you go to the track? i've seen lots of supra's run 13.5 the slowest i've seen is 13.8 and with intake one was doing 13.2 like 3 times in a row

you say add .5 sec but i see vr4's run faster times then the mag tested ALL the time at 13.5 all day long. i've seen c5 vett's run 13.5 lots of times also so its not so rare to see a supra beat a c5 vette. my dad has a c5 vette that i drive at least once a week. and i've seen supra's in action and they are highway monsters. yes the cobra has more hp but it has aero, gearing and weight against it. if you ask me that kinda evens things out. personally i think it would be a very good race.

I didn't say take any Mag tested time. I said take the best time any Magazine had gotten and add .5.

The fact that supras cant drag race is silly. Paul Efantis' Supra has a full interior and runs 8.20s-8.40s and traps in the 170's on radial tires, I think thats faster than any street Mustang on radials that I've heard of.

This is kind of off topic, just puttn it out there.

Man, I really feel like this is Supra propoganda... we could have one heated debate on Supra vs. LS1, in fact, there was one and general consensus was that it is a driver's race, which I can accept, but NOW the Supra can hang with 03 Cobra's, C5 Vettes... next will be Z06's and 911's. If Supra can roll like that it should KILL an LS1 but we all know it doesn't.

The fact that supras cant drag race is silly. Paul Efantis' Supra has a full interior and runs 8.20s-8.40s and traps in the 170's on radial tires, I think thats faster than any street Mustang on radials that I've heard of.

This is kind of off topic, just puttn it out there.

Anything can be made to do anything with enough money and time.
But just so you know Paul Enfanti's Supra runs 8.82 at 160 mph those are his record times he is usually slower.

Fastest Street Radial Mustang 8.40 times are usually 8.5. The supras class rules allow for nitrous use with FI. The Mustangs is Nitrous or FI only. So now you have heard of a Mustang that is faster. And there are many that run 8.5-8.6's allong with this one.

I can't believe I'm supporting a Mustang here, but it's American, gotta do it

I can't believe I'm supporting a Mustang here, but it's American, gotta do it

It hurts ya deep inside doesn't it......

If it makes you feel better I miss GM making F-bodies.... I mean everyone needs there Darth Vader.... and Honda's are barely a well trained Storm Trooper. LoL

Don't get me wrong... the Mustang is like that sibling you hate but at the same time would defend to the letter if anyone on the outside messed with 'em, you know. And I do think the 03+ Cobra was a nice touch, hell, I would drive one, it's American at its finest, and I KNOW it can beat a Supra. And w/o the F-body who'm I gonna root for

For any of you who are confused I would just like to take a moment to point out that power and torque isn't anything without the proper gearing. And also, don't make me have to resort to a (rough) explaination of gearing using a 10speed peddle bike as an example.

Although there are many other factors involved when pushing your car into the deep triple digits, gearing could possibly be thought of as the most important. Proper gearing setups can keep you right in your capable powerband when accelerating (which is right where you want to be). Higher peak hp at higher rpm is also an added bonus to top end. (its all about torque multiplication)

i can tell you this, a supra will out run a ls1 maro or trans am on the freeway "I KNOW" it can. as for the 1/4mile the cobra wins obviously. but at high speeds its a close call for some reason you underestimate gearing wich has just as much to do with speed as 50hp along with aerodynamics which is very underestimated.

and gt stang, that was still my point lowest mag rating for the vr4 is 13.5 you say add .5 but i still see them running 13.5 all day long. plenty of people have run the vette .2 sec beneath the lowest mag ratings for instance the lowest mag rating for the c5 vette is 13.1 but the moderator self has broke into the 12's.
like i said before i don't know who would win. but joseph don't be so sure of something you don't know for a fact!

Ok, but you guys are acting like the Cobra is geared sh*tless, it has the t56, a proven tranny with good gearing except for 6th.
My car seems to Haul ASS even at 100+ speeds, i already said that, never seen a supra at those speeds, but ine is no slouch... LS1 are known for top-end, an improvment over the LT1.
The gears are Torque multipliers, TQ *gear*final drive... So the Supra has a higher Gear*final drive number, but I think the Cobra's TQ number more than makes up for it.

thats true, it does make up for it, but with aero there i believe it evens out. sorry didn't mean to make it seem like the gearing was bad just pointing out its gearing is better for high speeds. its all good :smile:

here is a comparison close up http://www.supercars.net/Comp?sourceList=2526&CompList=2526-1099

Hmmmmm, ok, but those t56 numbers might be off, because I have that tranny and I've read .7 for 5th, .5 for 6th... but it looks like they both make peak HP at roughly the same point, so the higher redline is useless. And the Cobra will get to the RPMs a little quicker.
Oh, and who said while the Supra is in 5th the Stang has to be, he may very well be using 4th, unless he is that far ahead. I still think the HP/TQ would win out, the gear numbers are too close. Oh, and is that the correct weight for the Supra, because if so, it weighs EXACTLY the same as my Camaro, not 200lb lighter as everyone says.
And young, I swear to GOD I thought you bought an SS?

Let me clarify, unlike from a dead stop, from a highway roll they needn't start in the same gear, Supra owner may start in 5th while mustang may in 4th, and that would be more realistic because those gears are similar ratios and would maintian similar cruising speeds. Oh, and the Mustang has the higher top speed with it's short 6th gear.

lol i was gonna buy one but i decided to stay with my car and just fix it. supra is electronicaly limited without that it can hit 172mph.
and your speaking of starting at such high gears i was talking more of starting at like 50mph up to 160mph

In 6th it can hit 172??? how can that be when it has taller gears than the Cobra whivh I doubt goes that fast

but it looks like they both make peak HP at roughly the same point, so the higher redline is useless.

No, because it can stay in lower gears longer, being in a lower gear makes more torque to the wheels than a higher gear.

Supra owner may start in 5th while mustang may in 4th, and that would be more realistic because those gears are similar ratios and would maintian similar cruising speeds.

But the Supra has a higher redline, so even if those are "similar ratios", the Supra can downshift further.

:iagree:

waht do you mean, downshift further?
And what about top speed issue, and isn't the difference in redlines less than 500

Anything can be made to do anything with enough money and time.
But just so you know Paul Enfanti's Supra runs 8.82 at 160 mph those are his record times he is usually slower.

Fastest Street Radial Mustang 8.40 times are usually 8.5. The supras class rules allow for nitrous use with FI. The Mustangs is Nitrous or FI only. So now you have heard of a Mustang that is faster. And there are many that run 8.5-8.6's allong with this one.


Didnt know that nitrous rule, so yeah I have heard of plenty Nitrous Mustangs faster than Paul Efantis' supra. It seems like just recently supras are getting a dragracing though. A couple years ago a stree supra that could run 10 flats was very rare (it still kind of is) but now there are many (many as in like 10-15 in the US) street supras running low nines and a few in the eights. Somewhat lame in domestic land, but amazing for imports.

Heres a pretty fast supra, weighs 3650 lbs. on radials:
http://lvracingscene.com/videos/stream/03-26-04_Dana_8.89.wmv

yeah probably here in the us, but in japan there's lots and lots. and haven't seen too many 10 sec stangs that can drive on a dailey basis, without cutting out. sorry when i spot a import hater i tend to defend whoever is getting attacked.

Personally i voted cobra cause i think it is just an awsome car and ive been a stang fan for my whole life but i think that supra is just a better built car. I have seen some wicked supras and most get anihilated on the strip.

by what? its not like they suck on the track when they can run 13.1 stock. and 8's all beefed up

:2cents: I'm a newbie here and have read the posts now for my two cents. First off most of the Supras I've seen just don't put it down. All the kids today seem to hear the word Supra and instantly spring hard-ons. Don't get me wrong I was born in Detroit and will take American Muscle anyday just because it's my preference (if you call me unjapanese for that then you are just ignorant lol) That's not to say I don't have respect for good cars. I like Supras, 300ZXs, RX7s, and 5.0 Miatas to name a few. I have a friend with an 85 mustang and a 351 stroked to a 454, and another with a twin turbo 300ZX both good cars and both have layed waist to their fair share of overrated supras. My preference for american cars also stems from the fact that everything coming from the land of the rising sun is just friggin ugly now! New 350Z ugly, every car from Toyota ugly, etc. etc. A guy I work with has a cobra stang he just put underdrive pulleys on it and is already in the low 12's for very little money and has waxed this rich kid we know with a Supra he's spent a fortune on and it's still in the 13's.
Don't get me wrong I get just as excited about Neons, Focuses, and Cavaliers as I do Civics and the like.I hate front drivers all no matter where they come from, but civics eating Lambos! and Supras being the end all say all and kings of the road!? Take it to Hollywood they seem to be buying it these days. I'll take the beautiful lines of a 69 Camaro, or a 65 or 69 Mustang fastback (restomodified with newer technology) over anything from Japan anyday. :2cents: