neon vs 5.0 mustang

Just yesterday around 5:00pm I ran into a 5.0. we were at a 5mph roll and I punched it and then he punched it, 1st gear I broke traction all the way from 2nd and then hit 3rd gained traction and ended up a car length away from him. He wanted a second run but their was too much traffic and I gave him a smile and turned. But those things have mad top end! I give him alot of street credit though for taking a lose for a 4 banger neon and not acting like a fool.

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Mods to your car? Cause if your stock, then i'm with xviciousx on this one...

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Hey hey, don't let this bandwagon leave without me!
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No faith I see, is that so hard to believe where you guys are from? Well it doesnt matter its true no bs, no need to lie for no reason. I dont know what he had but it sounded like he had flows getting pushed by what ever a 5.0 stang has not an LS1 by the way. and he was a mtx. On the other hand I just have a sohc 95 4 door with no ac, no power steering, completely gutted except two racing seats, MSD coil, 8.5 magnacore wires, iceman cold air intake, chikara headers, stock 2.25 piping, catco high flow cat, apexi turbo exhaust, TTI full race pulley, prothane motor mount inserts, and running on 13inch stocks, and all put into a rebuilt 97 head and block. I know its not much but believe it or not I have beat other cars that for a fact ran low 14s in the 1320.

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congrats on the kill...

Was that you misstyping, or did you just say that Mustangs come with LS1's?!? All hail the mighty LS1 MUSTANG SS COBRA!!!

it was a miss type I meant to say 5.0 not the base. tough audience lol, I guess I will just have to video tape my next run!

No faith I see, is that so hard to believe where you guys are from? Well it doesnt matter its true no bs, no need to lie for no reason. I dont know what he had but it sounded like he had flows getting pushed by what ever a 5.0 stang has not an LS1 by the way. and he was a mtx. On the other hand I just have a sohc 95 4 door with no ac, no power steering, completely gutted except two racing seats, MSD coil, 8.5 magnacore wires, iceman cold air intake, chikara headers, stock 2.25 piping, catco high flow cat, apexi turbo exhaust, TTI full race pulley, prothane motor mount inserts, and running on 13inch stocks, and all put into a rebuilt 97 head and block. I know its not much but believe it or not I have beat other cars that for a fact ran low 14s in the 1320.


Pulley for what? You didnt say it was supercharged...No power steering huh? so you must be built like arnold schwarzeneiger(SP?) right? what's been done to the head, and what's been dont to the block? You've put a lot of money into your exhaust i see :rolleyes:

And lastly tell me where the coil is and and what it does and i might believe you. And tell me if the coil is part of the primary or secondary ignition system. Lets see some pics to.. and time slips

:grinno: Hahahaha this is to funny I can already see were this is going. any ways the power pulley doesnt have to be used on only a supercharger it can also be used to put less strain on your and give you that extra pull and no ac and power steering will help the motor with also less strain. and no Im not built like arnold sorry. Stock block and stock head. No internals. and the msd coil serves only one purpose to a distribuless car and that is bigger spark to burn the fuel. and pics of my car is in car domain, neon, street, 97, jon and ernies neon, mines is the primered one, answered all your questions curious george?

on your crank!! sorry forgot that

:lol: sarcastic bastard... too much like me.

Ah, and BTW, he can probably manage without power steering. My miata doesn't have it either, and I'm certainly not built like ahnold.

Wait... maybe he can do ...
wait no.

It's a neon.

Stayin' up. :bs:

Yeah hey there buddy, Could you just give us a link to your car on cardomain.com please.

I just checked. Cause you state you have a '95 Neon, but later say check under the year of '97. The '95 year has 394 members, the '97 year has 209.

I'm not gonna just do a simple search and look it up myself. I find it hard to believe you 'lost traction' all the way through 2nd gear. Even with 13'' tires and your mighty headers.

You said, that you've beaten cars that you know run 14's in the 1/4 mile. You probably didn't beat the car... you beat the driver. If at all, seeing as I currently don't believe you.


A stock '97 Neon Sport makes 132hp @ 6000rpm and 129tq @ 5000rpm.

Your Mods are as listed...

MSD Coil
8.5 magnacore wires
Iceman CAI
Chikara Header
Stock exhaust pipe (I doubt the stock piping is 2.25")
Catco High flow cat
A'pexi Turbo Exhaust
Pulleys
Motor mounts :eek:
No A/C
No Power Steering
Stock '97 Motor

Your bolt-ons maybe gained you 10-15hp over stock. Stock, your car would run a strong 16.2 in the quarter. With your upgrades, and minor weight loss... you've probably are going to have a best of... 15.8... 15.5 if you're John Force.

Did you just take the Belts off of the AC and Power steering? If so, you're not doing yourself that much good. The A/C unit only draws power when it's turned on. And the Powersteering pump only really draws maybe 1-2hp. All you've done is give your car heavy steering and a 'sporty' feel. If you really wanted to gain a performance edge, you'd have to completely remove the systems you've disabled to gain the added weight loss. Which is probably only about 40lbs.


Sorry, but I just don't believe you untill I see it bud.

What are you guys talking about? A stock automatic base model neon runs 13.40's in the 1/4 miles.I've seen it done my self. He ONLY had 1 bolt-on. The mustangs only run like 13.90's to 15.00's depending on condition, state, miles, driver abilty. :smokin:
Oh and by the way the neon that ran a 13.40 had a 400 horsepower shot of NAAWWWWZZZZZZZ!!!!!! :loser:

any ways the power pulley doesnt have to be used on only a supercharger it can also be used to put less strain on your and give you that extra pull and no ac and power steering will help the motor with also less strain. Stock block and stock head. No internals. and the msd coil serves only one purpose to a distribuless car and that is bigger spark to burn the fuel. and pics of my car is in car domain, neon, street, 97, jon and ernies

That's the dumbest damn thing i've ever heard. There's no where on a DOHC or SOHC engine to hook a pulley up to the crank. You said you had head work done, now you're saying you dont. On a distributorless(EI) car, spark comes from the coil packs. And disabling the ac and powersteering isn't going to do shit. How stupid do you think people are.

I've seen a '96 Plymouth Neon Sport Coupe hand 5.0L Mustangs (mostly LX's, but a couple of GT's) their ass on a platter.

But that was my dad's Neon Sport Coupe. That thing had some wicked custom ground cams in it (some guys at a local machine shop owed him a favor since he fixed their CAD/CAM machine's computer for free), quite a bit of head work (milling, porting) and about the whole rest of the Mopar Performance catalog dumped into it, including the ACR computer. Final dyno testing put it around 200+ horsepower at the front wheels.

However, all that and dad would still joke that he'd always pray for a curve before the race ran out.

Your Neon, 209, is going to have a lot more of a fight than my father's did.

Poor car. Got totalled during the winter of 2002 when a riced Civic punted it from behind. Neon got turned around and backed into a pole at about 45mph.

Completely tweaked the rear subframe. Bummer.

That's great, a everything in the book neon took out a 5.0 Mustang. Well lets just say there are moded out Mustangs that I think could (gulp) maybe, just maybe hang with the NEON?? I mean could a 347 Kenne Bell blown Stang even stand a chance against the mighty Neon sport coupe?!? I don't know... I just don't know...

That's great, a everything in the book neon took out a 5.0 Mustang. Well lets just say there are moded out Mustangs that I think could (gulp) maybe, just maybe hang with the NEON?? I mean could a 347 Kenne Bell blown Stang even stand a chance against the mighty Neon sport coupe?!? I don't know... I just don't know...

WTF are you going on about?

The LS1 cannot be beat! that is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard in this forum. All you chevy guys are way to cocky. Have you ever heard of a 460 Cobra Jet? That in a mustang would blow the doors of an LS1. Also the mopar guys have bragging rights. I think it is fair to say that nothing beats a Hemi.

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You take a joke seriously...

And then you turn around and say nothing beats a Hemi?

You should be slapped. Hard. In the face.

The LS1 cannot be beat! that is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard in this forum. All you chevy guys are way to cocky. Have you ever heard of a 460 Cobra Jet? That in a mustang would blow the doors of an LS1. Also the mopar guys have bragging rights. I think it is fair to say that nothing beats a Hemi.


What'd the Five fingers say to the face?

SLAP!!!

I'm Rick James bitch!




Seriously though, the "LS1 cannont be beaten" is a running joke amongst us hereon AF. It's mainly from the Mustang guys who say it, we all get a laugh from it.

Lighten up.

Oh, and things do beat the Hemi. Seeing as most OHC motors have the same hemispherical combustion chamber as the Hemi... It's not that special. But you'll want proof that the Hemi is weak sauce... Here ya be.

Dodge Ram 2500 HD '5.7L Hemi Power' - Motorweek
Horsepower: 345
Torque: 365
1/4: 16.7 @ 81mph
0-60: 8.6

Nissan Titan with it's under-rated 5.6L DOHC V8 - Car & Driver
Horsepower: 305
Torque: 379
1/4: 15.5 @ 91 mph
0-60: 7.0

For Comparison sake so you can see how under-rated the Nissan Titan is, the new F150 has basicly the same rated power.

Ford F150 5.4L SOHC V8- Motorweek
Horsepower: 300
Torque: 365
1/4: 17.4 @81
0-60: 9.9 seconds


Nissan Driver: That thing got a Hemi?
Dodge Dude: Yeah! :icon16:
Nissan Driver: I'm sorry. :grinno:

I'm not GOING ON about any thing. Just a little sarcasm pertaining to the "my heavily modded neon hands 5.0's their ass" bullish. Calm down...

I'm not GOING ON about any thing. Just a little sarcasm pertaining to the "my heavily modded neon hands 5.0's their ass" bullish. Calm down...


Whoa, calm down there Legs. I know you're directing those comments to Layla's Keeper. And how his dad had a modified Neon that beat a few Mustangs.

Nothing new there, put enough money into anything and you line up against a unsuspecting Mustang driver and yeah, you can beat one.

He was just commenting on a car that had a lot done to it, including internal work, was able to walk a few Mustangs.

This thread is about, how a Neon with only basic bolt-ons won against a Mustang. You should be commenting on that, the more or less stock Neon. Not the modified one.

Slow your role.

i'm 85% sure this story is bs.

That's the dumbest damn thing i've ever heard. There's no where on a DOHC or SOHC engine to hook a pulley up to the crank. You said you had head work done, now you're saying you dont. On a distributorless(EI) car, spark comes from the coil packs. And disabling the ac and powersteering isn't going to do shit. How stupid do you think people are.

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Red, I already have commented about the basic bolt ons neon, with a basic b.s. like you. The reason I commented with my sarcastic post is because layla came with her post, so I just countered it. I know layla knows what she's talking about, I just felt that some 5.0 hating was coming down the line... No harm intended, I know stock 5.0's aren't exactly burners stock, I was just stating that there is HUGE potiential for them with their giant aftermarket base. No hate here...

i'm 85% sure this story is bs.


The story in the topic of the thread, yes I agree, Not likely that it happened... especially the way he told it.

The story of a sleeper Neon with major upgrades catching a Mustang off guard, Very Possible. It happens all the time in different scenarios all across the world.

Red, I already have commented about the basic bolt ons neon, with a basic b.s. like you. The reason I commented with my sarcastic post is because layla came with her post, so I just countered it. I know layla knows what she's talking about, I just felt that some 5.0 hating was coming down the line... No harm intended, I know stock 5.0's aren't exactly burners stock, I was just stating that there is HUGE potiential for them with their giant aftermarket base. No hate here...


Yeah, I understand.


BTW, Layla's Keeper is a Dude. Not a 'she'. Layla just happens to be his MGB GT's name. Hence the name "Layla's Keeper". ;)

OOPs, my bad Layla! No disrespect intended folks!

None taken.

My post was intended to show that it took ten tons of mods, external and internal, to make an N/A DOHC Neon a barnstormer that regularly took down more or less stock 5.0 Mustangs. It's unlikely that a near stock, or even a mostly bolt-on modded Neon will do so.

No hate on Fox Body 'Stangs here. My old teammate Nate Gilleland ran an '89 notchback with Hotchkiss suspension.

I'm glad. And I wasn't trying to put down your pop's neon. Sounds to me your more of a track person then a ground pounder. As for me, I just like the noise and fury of straight line contests, even though I love Formula 1 also. I loved it when speed had Jeff Gordon and Juan Pablo Montoya switch rides for an afternoon... I wish different racing series did more things like that.

Well, I like thunderous horsepower. Particularly in the form of a 468ci mechanically fuel injected, methanol huffing, big block Chevy, offset way to the left inside the aerodynamic aluminum clad tube steel frame of a Supermodified.

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Oh yes, sub 14second 1/2mile lap times and 180mph down the front straight on a short track is pure heaven.

Though it's not hard to convince me to go to vintage drag meets to see old slingshots, gassers, and fuel altereds. Nitromethane is just as much fun as methanol.

I give him alot of street credit though for taking a lose for a 4 banger neon and not acting like a fool.

He didnt lose, You said you were a car behind him. LMAO.

you sure it was a 5.0..? and whats with people thinking dodge is invisible with the HEMI, lol all it is is a 5.7, granted it does have nice power.. my dad thinks dodge is going overboard with the hemi thing. He said it's not like the old 426 hemi version.

I'm not to up to par on old dodge motors so I'm going off from what he says, since he was around then :D

Honda motors have hemispherical combustion chambers...

...maybe they should start advertising that...:bored:

Practicly every production engine these days has a hemispherical combustion chamber. There all HEMI's. Dodge is just trying to sell cars, guess it works to see people who know nothing about cars drivinf the HEMI Rams. LOL

Man everyone here seems to not know what they are talking about. 209 neon clearly states what he has in his car. Still you guys have questions that are uncalled for. Has it ever crossed you mind that this is a runs that could be possibly a power to weight ratio! 209 neon cars is completey stock internal wise with a few bolt-ons. Basically with no interior his car is light like a feather. Have you guys ever seen drag cars that are stripped. Again another way of seeing a power to weight ratio. The 5.0 is fast don't get me wrong but they weigh a good lb or so. So get this straight he had a good kill and you guys just won't admit to agreeing with it. Face it the boat lost to a canoe. LOL

You know why it's bs?

Because you're forgetting something.
ITS A FUCKING NEON.

You know why it's bs?

Because you're forgetting something.
ITS A FUCKING NEON.

I hope you just simply forgot the smiley...because I really hope you are not serious.

Question the mods, the driver, but not the car. Remember, ANY car can be made fast.

I know any car can be made to be fast. As proven by Layla's Keeper.

With time and money anything can be faster than everything else - but with what he has on it - he's not gonna do what he says he did.

Except Metros....they're just not people.

Practicly every production engine these days has a hemispherical combustion chamber. There all HEMI's. Dodge is just trying to sell cars, guess it works to see people who know nothing about cars drivinf the HEMI Rams. LOL

No, everyone does not use hemisperical CLYINDER HEADS nowadays. Yes it's the cylinder head theat makes the engine hemi not comb chamber, what happens in the comb chamber is the result of how the head is setup. Most companies such as GM use a pentroof design, with semi hemi shaped like a wide inverted "V"(chevy also uses the modified wedge in some of their V8's) Lessons on the hemi:

#1- It is so named hemi because it roughly resembles half a sphere, and it is sucessfully used on both overhead cam an overhead valve engines.
#2- The hemi provides the greatest breathing efficiency because the valves are on opposite sides of the combustion chamber. this placement provides for very large valves, and allows the intake and exhaust to work togther effectively during valve overlap. With valves on opposite sides the spark plug can be centrally located.
#3- the hemi breathes well, but its drawback is combustion efficiency. the classic hemi chamber has no squish or quench areas so there is little turbulence and no area to cool the mixture. Also since the the spark plug is centrally located hemi chambers are so large, the spark has a relatively long way to go to reach the air fuel mixture.
#4- the large hemi chambers also require a tall piston top or dome that extends deeply into the comb. chamber to provide a moderate to high compression ratio. The tall dome acts like a dam, dividing the comb. chamber and impeding flame travel after ignition. With current fuel octane levels, detonation is a problem in heim comb. chambers. One way to deal with this problem is to add a second spark plug to the comb. chamber.

there, that's everything i've ever learned about the hemi.

wow just reading what everyone is saying intrests me..........
For one million dollars kip, what spins the alternater that is connected to the other side of the belt? uhhhhhhhhhhh is it the crank shaft pulley biff? your absoulutely correct you win a million dollars!!!!!!! LOL How can you guys still say this post is BS when you guy are saying dookie howser stuff like that! come on now! Let me clear this up with all the short bus riders ,all I wanted to say is I beat a primered 5.0 mustang with my neon and thats that. Im not saying muscule cars are slow or all 5.0 mustangs can be beat by a neon or any thing about dissing any body but call it what you want a good kill or BS but food for thought please get your facts straight be for you open your mouths!!!!

Uhhh o.k., good kill? Happy?

wow just reading what everyone is saying intrests me..........
For one million dollars kip, what spins the alternater that is connected to the other side of the belt? uhhhhhhhhhhh is it the crank shaft pulley biff?

What did you get a smaller pulley or something? How is hooking this up to the alternator going to improve performance, when all the alternator does is CHARGE the battery!! The alternator serves no performance related resposibilties in the car except to keep the battery charged so it doesn't die while your driving.

wheres the pics?

Woops, my bad.

Im more of a rotor freak than a piston kind of guy :D

What did you get a smaller pulley or something? How is hooking this up to the alternator going to improve performance, when all the alternator does is CHARGE the battery!! The alternator serves no performance related resposibilties in the car except to keep the battery charged so it doesn't die while your driving.


i believe its something along the lines of a smaller/lighter pulley = less power used to spin = more power devoted to moving the car instead of the alternator... thats how i'd see it... now how much power you're actually saving well that i dunno

:lol: Thank you for saying it for me cause I am tired of explaining my self to simple minded people, yeah suping up my alternator will probably make me run like a champ. Once again think before talk because the only thing thats BS Is the ridiculous shit that come from your mouths. come on man did you really think that I thought having a suped up alternater would do the trick hahahahahaha laughing all the way to the track. go to race school or something, and come to me with something more intelligent to say. To broddie50 thank you, you could bake me a cake now Im so happy.hahahahaha

Go to race school?

Kid, you're modding a neon :roll:

You have no credibility. Look at everything Layla's father did to his Neon and he could still just walk 5.0s. You havent done half of what's needed. Begone kid.

:lol: Thank you for saying it for me cause I am tired of explaining my self to simple minded people, yeah suping up my alternator will probably make me run like a champ. Once again think before talk because the only thing thats BS Is the ridiculous shit that come from your mouths. come on man did you really think that I thought having a suped up alternater would do the trick hahahahahaha laughing all the way to the track. go to race school or something, and come to me with something more intelligent to say. To broddie50 thank you, you could bake me a cake now Im so happy.hahahahaha


Congradulations on beating a 4cyl stang primered with 5.0 badges stuck on it! Good Kill!!!!

Congradulations on beating a 4cyl stang primered with 5.0 badges stuck on it! Good Kill!!!!



Ever stop to wonder... maybe the Neon has an LS1 swap? That would make it unstoppable.

i believe its something along the lines of a smaller/lighter pulley = less power used to spin = more power devoted to moving the car instead of the alternator... thats how i'd see it... now how much power you're actually saving well that i dunno

Actually it would tighten up more and it would take more power to spin it. Like on a supercharger, you put a smaller pulley on so the supercharger will spin faster, cause there's more tension(not less). If this is what he's done, it's unpractical.

If it really was a 5.0, your top end must really really suck, because 5.0's don't have too much of a top end.. haha..