neon vs 5.0 mustang

Ever stop to wonder... maybe the Neon has an LS1 swap? That would make it unstoppable.


No but I have nightmares about 240Z's with LS-1 swaps.......

A 240 Z with a LS1 in it?!?! Now THATs an engine swap Red! Just to see a civic fanboy's face when you stomp on the gas would be the worth the price it would take to do it.

If it really was a 5.0, your top end must really really suck, because 5.0's don't have too much of a top end.. haha..
Buddy, THAT'S what most mustangs have....top end. 2.73 gear and 300 ft.lbs w/ five speed= good top end.

wow just reading what everyone is saying intrests me..........
For one million dollars kip, what spins the alternater that is connected to the other side of the belt? uhhhhhhhhhhh is it the crank shaft pulley biff? your absoulutely correct you win a million dollars!!!!!!! LOL How can you guys still say this post is BS when you guy are saying dookie howser stuff like that! come on now! Let me clear this up with all the short bus riders ,all I wanted to say is I beat a primered 5.0 mustang with my neon and thats that. Im not saying muscule cars are slow or all 5.0 mustangs can be beat by a neon or any thing about dissing any body but call it what you want a good kill or BS but food for thought please get your facts straight be for you open your mouths!!!!

My you're very confident. So far I haven't seen any proof on your part of the car you drive and all of these modifications. If you're sick of the bullshit that many are claiming, prove yourself or shut up. All we have is your word, and I'm sorry, but words are worthless when it comes to claims of mods on the internet, so before you start getting big headed on all of us and acting as though we are insolent morons, maybe you should look into a way of showing us proof. As RACER D12 has said "where are the pics?".

Also, I've read a lot of the claims, and the one about hooking a smaller pulley to your alternator? Are you serious? Why on Gods green Earth would you think that would improve performance? "check it out guys, my battery charges faster than yours does." My father is an ASE certified master technician that knows more about vehicles than most of the techs in our general area, and my cousin, whom has called you on a few occasions in this thread, Z28Josh, works at the same establishment as my father and assists him, so I think he knows what he says.

Now, I'm not saying you couldn't have beaten the mustang, and I understand that you are not knocking the other vehicles; all we want is proof. It's as easy as that. A picture of the car with you in front of it and your User name written on a piece of paper in your hands showing us these mods.

My you're very confident. So far I haven't seen any proof on your part of the car you drive and all of these modifications. If you're sick of the bullshit that many are claiming, prove yourself or shut up. All we have is your word, and I'm sorry, but words are worthless when it comes to claims of mods on the internet, so before you start getting big headed on all of us and acting as though we are insolent morons, maybe you should look into a way of showing us proof. As RACER D12 has said "where are the pics?".

Also, I've read a lot of the claims, and the one about hooking a smaller pulley to your alternator? Are you serious? Why on Gods green Earth would you think that would improve performance? "check it out guys, my battery charges faster than yours does." My father is an ASE certified master technician that knows more about vehicles than most of the techs in our general area, and my cousin, whom has called you on a few occasions in this thread, Z28Josh, works at the same establishment as my father and assists him, so I think he knows what he says.

Now, I'm not saying you couldn't have beaten the mustang, and I understand that you are not knocking the other vehicles; all we want is proof. It's as easy as that. A picture of the car with you in front of it and your User name written on a piece of paper in your hands showing us these mods.

you go swigz

you go swigz
Thank you.:biggrin:

For Comparison sake so you can see how under-rated the Nissan Titan is, the new F150 has basicly the same rated power.
Underrated isn't even giving it justice. That engine has ATLEAST 305whp. Those suckers are spanking the Hemi engine like there is no tomorrow. Oh, and that's after all the hoopla Dodge talked about that engine. To add further insult to injury the Titan costs less. Ford isn't even in the equation with the new F150. Chevy needs to fire some staff. Oh yeah, andn the LS1 conquers all (No that's right, that's the Supra's motor).

Would be nice to have a cast iron version of that LS2 in the Chevy trucks...

how much are 240z's for weight I know there are more fieros poppin up with LS1's in them :bananasmi maybe some day

Underrated isn't even giving it justice. That engine has ATLEAST 305whp. Those suckers are spanking the Hemi engine like there is no tomorrow. Oh, and that's after all the hoopla Dodge talked about that engine. To add further insult to injury the Titan costs less. Ford isn't even in the equation with the new F150. Chevy needs to fire some staff. Oh yeah, andn the LS1 conquers all (No that's right, that's the Supra's motor).

The hemi truck engine wasn't meant to be a fast engine, i dont know why they advertised it as so. The hemi truck is very powerful, not fast, for instance my cousin owns one and he said it's no faster than his old GMC Z71. However, he said while hauling his camper up a hill the RPM's just barely changed :eek: If you know anything about towing stuff, you would know that's pretty impressive to go up a hill and not have to drop it out of overdrive.

well in that case the hemi failed again becusae the titan's 5.6 liter v8 still makes more tq and has a higher towing capacity.

well in that case the hemi failed again becusae the titan's 5.6 liter v8 still makes more tq and has a higher towing capacity.

SLAP!

Tat--> :slap: <--Z28Josh

It's my dads truck he is referring to. Honestly, I don't care about the Nissan Titan, or if it produces more torque; we have Hemi Ram, and that's all that matters, not what we could have but don't. Everyone is making this case that the Titan is so much better, which you know, to some it may be. But don't go about saying it in the tone that makes it sound like the Hemi is a dog, because it is a good truck. Given the choices of his Hemi or the Nissan, my dad would have probably still taken the Hemi, regardless of the numbers put up by the Titan, and trust me, he doesn't care that a 5.6 puts out more torque than his 5.7.

By the way, why are we talking about trucks in a thread about a neon vs. a 5.0?:confused:

By the way, why are we talking about trucks in a thread about a neon vs. a 5.0?
Probably cause the story seems a bit far fetched ;)

Probably cause the story seems a bit far fetched ;)
Yeah, Mr. Neon has yet to come up with proof. Hmm... I wonder what that means...

well in that case the hemi failed again becusae the titan's 5.6 liter v8 still makes more tq and has a higher towing capacity.

Uhuh do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars. Ford's V8 is a 5.4L Triton and makes 300HP and 365 ft/lbs of torque. The Hemi 5.7L V8 makes 345HP and 365 ft/lbs of torque. The Ford engine has a slightly higher compression ratio than the Hemi. The Hemi is also a pushrod engine while the Triton is SOHC. Also the towing capacity isn't mainly dependant on the engine as much as it is on the frame. The F-150 has a towing capacity of 6,850 pounds while the Ram 1500 has a capacity of 7,850 pounds. Looks like you're wrong on all accounts.

Also I remember a commercial from Ford making fun of the "That thing got a Hemi" ads. A Ford F-150 pulling a Ford Mustang pulls up next to a Ram 1500 pulling a Dodge Charger. They race and the F-150 wins. Ford then claims that the F-150 has more torque. Soon after the ad was removed from the air. Dodge then airs its own commercial of that same exact test, conducted by a third party. Every time the Dodge just walked away. Also, mind you, a Dodge Charger is heavier than a base model Mustang.

As for the thread. Until I see a list of mods I don't buy it. However, the 5.0L from the 80s was a dog.

you realize he was refering to the nissan TITAN not the ford TRITON motor.... right???

you realize he was refering to the nissan TITAN not the ford TRITON motor.... right???

Leaving work + fast reading = big whooops!

Anyhow, the Titan only has 300HP and like three ft/lbs more torque than the Hemi. Like I said, towing is dependant on more than the engine. While the 1500 Ram can tow almost 9,000 depending on the model and gearing, with the same engine, the Ram 2500 can tow up to 11,000 depending on the model and gearing.

Anyhow, the Titan only has 300HP and like three ft/lbs more torque than the Hemi. Like I said, towing is dependant on more than the engine. While the 1500 Ram can tow almost 9,000 depending on the model and gearing, with the same engine, the Ram 2500 can tow up to 11,000 depending on the model and gearing.
You must really trust manufacturers power output ratings. That Nissan Titan has a heckuva lot more then 305 horsepower and 370+ foot pounds of torque. Heck the magazines have been calling BS on the Titan's output. It must have an LS1 in it.

You must really trust manufacturers power output ratings. That Nissan Titan has a heckuva lot more then 305 horsepower and 370+ foot pounds of torque. Heck the magazines have been calling BS on the Titan's output. It must have an LS1 in it.

:rolleyes:

Then let's see some dyno graphs because I can say the same stupid assed thing about the Hemi.

the only way you're gonna get a 11,000lbs towing cap out of a 2500 from the dealership is with a diesel... not a hemi.. and even then i think its more around 9-10,000lbs

your talkin about the hemi being underrated. well i'm not sure about the weight, but i'm pretty sure the titan pretty similar in weight or alittle heavier then the ram, and the titan is still almost a second faster in the 1/4 and supposidly makes 30 less hp and only 3 more lb ft of tq. hmmmm

the only way you're gonna get a 11,000lbs towing cap out of a 2500 from the dealership is with a diesel... not a hemi.. and even then i think its more around 9-10,000lbs

Think again, go to Dodge's website and look for yourself in the towing guide. With the Cummins you can tow up to 16,000 pounds I beleive. Don't call me out unless you've done your own research, and I don't think that Dodge would lie about that.

Also, I don't care what a truck does in the 1/4 mile. If I cared about that I would get the SRT-10 Ram.

Think again, go to Dodge's website and look for yourself in the towing guide. With the Cummins you can tow up to 16,000 ponds I beleive. Don't call me out unless you've done your own research, and I don't think that Dodge would lie about that.

Also, I don't care what a truck does in the 1/4 mile. If I cared about that I would get the SRT-10 Ram.


I think he was just making the point that the Titan is more underated than the Ram.

Uhuh do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars. Ford's V8 is a 5.4L Triton and makes 300HP and 365 ft/lbs of torque. The Hemi 5.7L V8 makes 345HP and 365 ft/lbs of torque. The Ford engine has a slightly higher compression ratio than the Hemi. The Hemi is also a pushrod engine while the Triton is SOHC. Also the towing capacity isn't mainly dependant on the engine as much as it is on the frame. The F-150 has a towing capacity of 6,850 pounds while the Ram 1500 has a capacity of 7,850 pounds. Looks like you're wrong on all accounts.

Also I remember a commercial from Ford making fun of the "That thing got a Hemi" ads. A Ford F-150 pulling a Ford Mustang pulls up next to a Ram 1500 pulling a Dodge Charger. They race and the F-150 wins. Ford then claims that the F-150 has more torque. Soon after the ad was removed from the air. Dodge then airs its own commercial of that same exact test, conducted by a third party. Every time the Dodge just walked away. Also, mind you, a Dodge Charger is heavier than a base model Mustang.

As for the thread. Until I see a list of mods I don't buy it. However, the 5.0L from the 80s was a dog.Another major limitting factor for manufacturers' tow rating is brakes. If you're gonna pull 10,000 lbs., you're going to need to stop 10,000 lbs.

Five point slows are just a cam and headers away from being quick. Stock, not so great, but are there any stock five point slows left? :2cents:

On a different website this guy had the stats of his Hemi truck listed in his signature. His Ram Hemi only dynoed at 260 rwhp... thats quite the power loss

yeah my bad i was looking at how much crap you can throw in the bed... but who cares how much the diesel can tow... this is about the Hemi isnt it??

You ever seen the tranny's those things use, they're pretty big. Not surprising considering that it's almost the size of an allison that GM's diesels use.

Hmm it would appear that both the Hemi and the Titan engine aren't exactly dyno queens. I stand to be corrected. This guy had his Armada (Roughly same engine as the Titan's) dynoed. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=truck&Number=67637411&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
No dyno graph, but I could see both engines making around that horsepower and torque.

I stand to be corrected.

No need to say that. According to you, the Titan was underrated. Well, considering that the Hemi is rated at 345HP/crank, while the VK45DE is rated at 305HP/crank. The fact that they're dynoing either the same and or with the Hemi dynoing LESS (click (http://modernmusclecars.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6756)), means that the Titan is underrated, or...can it be?...the Hemi's OVERRATED??

I looked all over the place for a dyno sheet, but was unable to find one for either trucks (I suck, and so does askjeeves for that matter :p ). Basically what i am getting is that both the Titan and the Hemi engine are dynoing very close to one another. Mind you I dunno if the vehicles in question were 4 wheel drive, which would yield significant parasitic loss (More then likely over 20%). Oh well, so long as they can haul a boat, or Roseanne Arnold, it's all good.

The whole "my half ton work-truck is faster than yours" thing is lost on me. As for the Titan being under-rated it may well be, I have no idea personally. However, in using a comparison of 1/4 mile times you have to first consider that the new F-150 weighs more than 500lbs more than the Titan in comparable trim. There is a half a second of your 1/4 mile e.t. difference that cannot be attributed to horespower or torque right there. So, the Titan may be over-rated, but think this through before you deem it a 400hp monster.

To see what all the fuss was about I drove a new F-150 FX4 with the 5.4 about a week ago. It was, by far, the sweetest pickup I have ever sat my hindquarters in. For those who haven't sat in one the interior will absolutely blow you away. Having at one point in my life sold luxury cars I can honestly say that not a single piece of that interior would be out of place in an SUV built by Lexus or Mercedes. And honestly, the F-150's interior is significantly nicer than a Mercedes ML Series SUV's interior. And the Escalade's interior actually looks cheap when compared to the new Ford IMHO...before you scoff check it out yourself

The truck rode nicely, handled very well with respect to it's class, and was as tight as a drum. My brother in law owns a 2003 Dodge Ram Quad Cab 2wd and even with the 4wd the Ford drives like it is in another class entirely compared to my experiences driving his Dodge. His Dodge only has the 4.7L so I obviously cannot compare the F-Series to the Hemi Ram power-wise. But, in every other respect,there is no contest. And as for the Ford's ability to "work" take a peak under one and you will see where a lot of the Ford's extra heft compared to every other half ton pickup went. It's built like a friggin vault. This also shows in the trucks incredible quiet on the road.

I have also driven a new Silverado and can tell you that the Ford is light years ahead of that truck in regards to refinement as well. I have never driven a Titan of any sort so I cannot comment on road manners. I can say that interior fit, finish and materials are much, much better in the Ford having looked at but never driven a Titan. Fit and finish overall on the Ford was easily the equal of the Titan on the outside and simply blows any other full size away inside.

I have no doubt the Nissan and the Hemi Ram are both faster than the F-150. However, considering that the Ford is super-comfortable, built like a vault, and more than fast enough for me I don't get the fascination with the 1/4 mile e.t. of a standard half ton pickup. If I wanted a hot rod pickup I would be looking at a Lightning or SRT10 not a FX4 or Titan. IMHO there are a lot more significant factors in what makes a truck truly "great" than simple acceleration.

I shouldn't have helped drag this thread off topic. So if you guys would like to discuss this further make a thread in the car comparison forums please. I am closing this since Mr. Neon has failed to deem any proof as to a list of mods that would constitute the performance he was describing and also the fact that this thread has gone way off topic and I am partly to blame for that.