Traded in the Z28 for a lancer Evolution

Well I traded in the Z28. they paid off the $5K I owed on the car, and gave me $7K as the down payment for the new vehicle purchase. The Evolution I purchased is a 2003 with 6K miles on it. I bought it for $26.9K Basically I put $2K down on top of it. I still have to pay $430 a month though :banghead: the car has alot of getup, much more so then I expected (It actually seems quicker then the Z28). i don't think i'm gonna modify this car, other then maybe a K&N filter, as I need to keep the car under warranty. It's blue color wise, and has the most ridiculous looking spolier i ever saw on a car (Supra included). Hopefully it proves to be a reliable car. :)

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DSM power!!! ;)

nice choice...very nice choice. i love the evo and if i had the money i'd buy a white RS, put in a new ecu, exhaust, cam gears, and an intake and i'd be set. that car has beautiful handling that u should exploit and it has a good bit of acceleration. again, great choice and happy motoring

what's your insurance like?

Well I traded in the Z28. they paid off the $5K I owed on the car, and gave me $7K as the down payment for the new vehicle purchase. The Evolution I purchased is a 2003 with 6K miles on it. I bought it for $26.9K Basically I put $2K down on top of it. I still have to pay $430 a month though :banghead: the car has alot of getup, much more so then I expected (It actually seems quicker then the Z28). i don't think i'm gonna modify this car, other then maybe a K&N filter, as I need to keep the car under warranty. It's blue color wise, and has the most ridiculous looking spolier i ever saw on a car (Supra included). Hopefully it proves to be a reliable car. :)

i always wondered why do you v8 guys always look down on that wing. i hope you guys know that the wing on the evo is actually functional. and when your taking turns at over 130mph that are sharp you can actually feel the rear end stay planted. sheeesh why can't you guys figure out that you need downforce when your cornering at high speeds. and yes i know it does work becusae my friend has a evo 8 and a STi and it works. since you got the car, i hope you no longer look down on the wing becusae you will feel it working. please do not confuse the rear wing the ones found on most civics that only cause drag. if you do get a chance to drive an evo without hte wing. you will feel a different in the rear grip.

Why did you do that???????????????/ :banghead:

Well i understand your point TatII, but I don't plan on hitting corners at 130+ mph anytime in the near future. I dunno what the insurance is gonna be like. i'd imagine it can't be much worse then the Z28, since the Z28 has the highest fatality rate among any car on the road from what i read in an article. i really hope it is the same rate or lower, and that no one steals any of the parts off of this car (I've heard of people jacking emblems, rims, and the hood often).

people steal the wing. i've seen a few wingless evos in the elmhurst area of queens. also since your've personally experienced the car first hand now. your telling me that you didn't notice a hugh night and day difference between your Z and the evo? you should be taking turns as fast as you can with that car. that car is such a joy to drive and its a monster in the corners. i mean you can hop on a 180 degree freeway on ramp at 60mph. i'm sure your too scared to push the car now. but you probrably am not feeling the car now but over time you will understand that the evo is no joke and its a cornering beast with decent enough straight away speed.

yeah dude, if you're not going to push the car around corners - you should've just kept the stupid camaro.

You're driving an AWD beast that's built for rally racing - and you're not pushing it around turns? What a waste...

yeah dude, if you're not going to push the car around corners - you should've just kept the stupid camaro.

You're driving an AWD beast that's built for rally racing - and you're not pushing it around turns? What a waste...


you gotta get a feel for the car before you go all out with it. now this is really a waste:

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shit... ill take the rims...lol.. .but ya... thats true, you do need to take some time to get a good feel for the car until you go all out in it, especially an EVO cause you don't want you pretty blue car to look like that ^^^^^^^^^^

shit... ill take the rims...lol.. .but ya... thats true, you do need to take some time to get a good feel for the car until you go all out in it, especially an EVO cause you don't want you pretty blue car to look like that ^^^^^^^^^^


Even the rims are messed up

I don't care if it is a Formula 1 car. If you guys are driving on public streets like that you all deserve to be drag out of your houses and shot! If your car can do that great.... take it to a road track or SCAA events.

You're driving an AWD beast that's built for rally racing - and you're not pushing it around turns? What a waste...
No offense but you didn't just pay close to $30K for a car. I've only owned it for 2 days, and I use to race all the time down Angeles Crest. i think you will have alot more respect to learn a car's boundaries after you almost crash off of a 2000+ feet cliff, as I almost did w/ a 86 Buick Skyhawk Turbo. I know it handles well. I'm gonns take my time though.

No offense but you didn't just pay close to $30K for a car. I've only owned it for 2 days, and I use to race all the time down Angeles Crest. i think you will have alot more respect to learn a car's boundaries after you almost crash off of a 2000+ feet cliff, as I almost did w/ a 86 Buick Skyhawk Turbo. I know it handles well. I'm gonns take my time though.

I was wondering when the voice of reason would put the smack down on idiocy...

DSM power!!! ;)
umm the evo isnt DSM...

I thought it was DSM power. The have it in turbo magazine as DSM powered. Anyways, if someone could host pics for me, I can email you the pics I took of the car.

the evo have nothing to do with diamond star motors. chrysler had nothing to do with the developement of that car so its strictly a mitsubishi. even the engines are different though they are both called 4G63's. even the head gasket or valve cover gasket will not be interchangable. and you can guess which car has the "REAL" 4G63

I'd guess that the original Eclipse has the DSM motor then (Although i honestly don't know). Say TatII, I got 2 questions for you. One is, where is the intercooler sprayer located for my car???? It says in the owner's manual that it is on my wiper stalk, but I don't see it. 2nd Do these cars have the same crank walk problem? Thanks :)

I thought it was DSM power. The have it in turbo magazine as DSM powered. Anyways, if someone could host pics for me, I can email you the pics I took of the car.

You can upload them to you gallery here no need to get them hosted.

Hmm, I went to gallery. I don't see a feature called post it. i see some ads on the side for hosting (14 days maximum).

the intercooler sprayer bottle should be in the front in the open. its a bottle that you can see it in open. the windshield washer is on the side somewhere hidden. and the evo motors does not crank walk. the motor is proven to hold over 400whp at all 4 wheels.

i'm fairly sure i saw the windshield washer fluid cabinet in the trunk (Right side). I believe the owners manual states that I have to press/flisp a switch, to turn on the intercooler sprayer. i see mist, and a few other options, but which one is it? Also does this really help out before a track run? Was it an option on the car?

i'm fairly sure i saw the windshield washer fluid cabinet in the trunk (Right side). I believe the owners manual states that I have to press/flisp a switch, to turn on the intercooler sprayer. i see mist, and a few other options, but which one is it? Also does this really help out before a track run? Was it an option on the car?

I thought it was activated by throttle position? I was told you should top it off on average each tank of gas or less... unless you drive hard then it's more often.

i'm fairly sure i saw the windshield washer fluid cabinet in the trunk (Right side). I believe the owners manual states that I have to press/flisp a switch, to turn on the intercooler sprayer. i see mist, and a few other options, but which one is it? Also does this really help out before a track run? Was it an option on the car?


the sprayer is not an option, it comes standard on all evos and you have the option of automatic spray or manual

it will help at the track since it will improve the efficiency of the intercooler,however you should not not see any huge gains unless that intercooler was searing hot. Oh and make sure you're not gonna drip water or the track officials might have some words with you;)


btw one thing to remember this is not really meant as a drag car and there are a lot more things to break than in a camaro

Hmm I see a manual and auto button on the console, around the ebrake. Is that the switch I have to press?

That's the button on the center console.

Check it out here: http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMSA/jsp/evo/interior.jsp
Says 2 second sprays over 5 second intervals in auto, whatever you want in manual.

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the sprayer is not an option, it comes standard on all evos and you have the option of automatic spray or manual

it will help at the track since it will improve the efficiency of the intercooler,however you should not not see any huge gains unless that intercooler was searing hot. Oh and make sure you're not gonna drip water or the track officials might have some words with you;)


btw one thing to remember this is not really meant as a drag car and there are a lot more things to break than in a camaro


It won't drip, as long as the A/C is off... it'll be drip free.

The Evo has a very tough driveline, I think it'll withstand some hard launches. :biggrin:


Hmm I see a manual and auto button on the console, around the ebrake. Is that the switch I have to press?

:lol: It's your car, you tell us. I've never ridden in a Evo, only read and seen videos on them.

I know it's my car. I'm just confused by the owner's manual. It states that it is on the windshield wiper stalk from what I am reading. I have to admit that it is rather funny that i am asking people about my own car though :lol: I hope this drivetrain is tough. I don't need another lemon (Like the 92 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo).

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It won't drip, as long as the A/C is off... it'll be drip free.




what does the sprayer have to do with the AC?



I know it's my car. I'm just confused by the owner's manual. It states that it is on the windshield wiper stalk from what I am reading. I have to admit that it is rather funny that i am asking people about my own car though :lol: I hope this drivetrain is tough. I don't need another lemon (Like the 92 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo).

the drivetrain is very tough, but remember it has no less than 3 differetials, and launches on 4wd cars are very tough on the drivetrain since there is not wheel slip

Hmm thanks for the advise guys. BTW can anyone host the pics for me? I dunno how to use the gallery.

what does the sprayer have to do with the AC?



Well, I'm saying... I don't see how it'll drip water if the sprayer is off during idling.. and it 'sprays' the water into the intake charge... there is theoritically no point in the system where it could leak out. Unless it's got bad hoses.

So, as long as the A/C unit is turned off... the car should be drip free.

Well, I'm saying... I don't see how it'll drip water if the sprayer is off during idling.. and it 'sprays' the water into the intake charge... there is theoritically no point in the system where it could leak out. Unless it's got bad hoses.

So, as long as the A/C unit is turned off... the car should be drip free.



not this is not water injection, it does not spray it in the intake charge


The spray shoots water over the intercooler not inside it, so if you spray enough it will drip quite a bit

Really? I thought it was water-injection. How cheap... screw it I'd leave it empty. :lol:

Hey man, this car ain't cheap. :mad:

Not to interrupt the oh-so intellectual conversation...

But did I say go grip racing on mountain roads?

No.

I said you should start pushing it around corners from the time you get it. That's how you get a feel for the car. You know how you get a feel for the car? You push it. You know what it does - you figure out its limits, you figure out how it does when you break those limits.

Don't assume I'm telling you to pull off Initial Shit stunts from the start - you gradually push your limits. Not wait till you figure out the car can probably take a corner and then sling it sideways at 140 :roll: You kids take the context of any phrase as one extreme or another

I'm surprised (and I don't know why I am) that so many people jumped to say how much of a difference and how much better the LanEvo is going to be over his Z28.

Sorry, but I'm one who doesn't like the idea of going from a torquey, powerful, easily modified and maintained RWD sport coupe to an AWD sedan for any reason besides practicality.

Everything I've experienced in a Lancer Evolution has been a tendency to plow like a mudda-fugga at the limit (a trait I HATE) and a vague disconnected feeling through the steering wheel. I may be spoiled since I don't even have power steering to numb my rack & pinion, but I'll be damned if I felt any feedback in the LanEvo my boss's friend Dave bought.

If I'm going to drop 30 large on a car, I want it to speak to me. I want it to have some 'effin character in the way it handles. You know, there's something, I dunno, DISTINCT, about the way it handles.

The Lancer handled and drove like a very powerful modified economy sedan. That's not something I'd want for 30K.

Wha? No feedback in the steering wheel? Bleh, I want to fight the road with my steering wheel... not let the car do it for me.

I dunno, i feel connected to the road with my EVO, and i'm positive mine has power steering (Unless I just got muscles like Lou Ferrigno from out of nowhere). maybe you drove the RS model. I believe it is stripped of some of the amenities for weight savings.

Psst... I think he Drove the Evo... and I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that they didn't make any other AWD Lancer models other than the Evo...

The ES and OZ Rally editions are FF shitboxes compared to the Evo. He could've mistaken it - but it's really hard.. Evo's are very distinctive from other model Lancers.

2000LS1Z28 was talking about the stripped wingless RS model, which is a lighter cheaper Evolution.

And no, I didn't drive one of those, it was a full tilt Evo.

It's not just power steering that detracts from road feel, it's poorly chosen steering ratios, it's a spongy rack, it's a sloppy column, it's any number of things done to a car to make it idiot-proof instead of knife-edged and direct.

The way I truly determine if I like a car or not when I drive it is to purposely start making small errors at the limit. If the car just soaks them up instead of jumping up and forcing me to correct, I hate it with a passion. It just saps my enthusiasm when I know that I don't have to drive at 10/10ths to get 10/10ths out of the car. That's why I love cars like the old Porsche 930 or the Omni GLH. Those are cars that kill drivers that make errors, instead of allowing them room to make the mistakes.

In the Lancer Evolution, I dove into a one lane off camber 70 degree corner at about 75mph. I know that my brother's 92 Firebird can take that corner at about 60. So I was expecting snap oversteer that I'd have to catch or massive understeer that I'd have to dive onto the brakes to toss the weight back onto the nose and scoot around the corner or some other sign from the car telling me "Dude you screwed up!".

Nope. All I got was this mild thrumming up through the wheels, some tire squeal, and a gradual push that I corrected by lifting off the gas. I was thoroughly unimpressed. The car had just rewarded my poor decision and rough driving with compliance. That's a poor driver's car in my book.

Psst... I think he Drove the Evo... and I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that they didn't make any other AWD Lancer models other than the Evo...
You're scaring me. The EVO RS model is just like the typical EVO, except that it is about $2K cheaper and lacks amenities such as: airconditioning, audio system, HID headlamps, ABS, rear wing, power windows, door locks, power mirrors, sound deadening, trunk compartment trim, rear wiper, map lights, rear assist handles, parking brake leather, center console lid, and keyless entry. It sheds 146 pounds basically.

Nope. All I got was this mild thrumming up through the wheels, some tire squeal, and a gradual push that I corrected by lifting off the gas. I was thoroughly unimpressed. The car had just rewarded my poor decision and rough driving with compliance. That's a poor driver's car in my book.

:lol: How dare the car do that. It should've tried to kill you.

To go SAT style: The Evolution RS is to the Evolution as the WRX STi is to the WRX.
Unlike the Subaru, though, the RS goes faster by simply shedding weight (and price).

The RS model also has a front helical LSD (the best kind of LSD, IMNSHO). Motor Trend though this helped to clean up some of the push Layla's Keeper is talking about.

RS is faster. like the Spec C is faster than the STI. It's devoid of creature comforts.

I'm surprised (and I don't know why I am) that so many people jumped to say how much of a difference and how much better the LanEvo is going to be over his Z28.

Sorry, but I'm one who doesn't like the idea of going from a torquey, powerful, easily modified and maintained RWD sport coupe to an AWD sedan for any reason besides practicality.

Everything I've experienced in a Lancer Evolution has been a tendency to plow like a mudda-fugga at the limit (a trait I HATE) and a vague disconnected feeling through the steering wheel. I may be spoiled since I don't even have power steering to numb my rack & pinion, but I'll be damned if I felt any feedback in the LanEvo my boss's friend Dave bought.

If I'm going to drop 30 large on a car, I want it to speak to me. I want it to have some 'effin character in the way it handles. You know, there's something, I dunno, DISTINCT, about the way it handles.

The Lancer handled and drove like a very powerful modified economy sedan. That's not something I'd want for 30K.

:iagree: I was thinking Trans Am WS6 through this whole post actually. 32K

Wow... learn somethin new every day - thanks guys.

2000LS1Z28 was talking about the stripped wingless RS model, which is a lighter cheaper Evolution.

And no, I didn't drive one of those, it was a full tilt Evo.

It's not just power steering that detracts from road feel, it's poorly chosen steering ratios, it's a spongy rack, it's a sloppy column, it's any number of things done to a car to make it idiot-proof instead of knife-edged and direct.

The way I truly determine if I like a car or not when I drive it is to purposely start making small errors at the limit. If the car just soaks them up instead of jumping up and forcing me to correct, I hate it with a passion. It just saps my enthusiasm when I know that I don't have to drive at 10/10ths to get 10/10ths out of the car. That's why I love cars like the old Porsche 930 or the Omni GLH. Those are cars that kill drivers that make errors, instead of allowing them room to make the mistakes.

In the Lancer Evolution, I dove into a one lane off camber 70 degree corner at about 75mph. I know that my brother's 92 Firebird can take that corner at about 60. So I was expecting snap oversteer that I'd have to catch or massive understeer that I'd have to dive onto the brakes to toss the weight back onto the nose and scoot around the corner or some other sign from the car telling me "Dude you screwed up!".

Nope. All I got was this mild thrumming up through the wheels, some tire squeal, and a gradual push that I corrected by lifting off the gas. I was thoroughly unimpressed. The car had just rewarded my poor decision and rough driving with compliance. That's a poor driver's car in my book.


Thats why I want an M3 soo badly. Its suspost to have great driver feed back. Sport compact tested a 911 turbo, Evo8, S4 and M3. And they said the M3 was a drivers car because it felt the most conected.







Damn no power steering thats hard core :worshippy

Why did you do that???????????????/ :banghead:

I was thinkin the same thing when I saw subject of the post... :eek7:



i always wondered why do you v8 guys always look down on that wing. i hope you guys know that the wing on the evo is actually functional. and when your taking turns at over 130mph that are sharp you can actually feel the rear end stay planted. sheeesh why can't you guys figure out that you need downforce when your cornering at high speeds. and yes i know it does work becusae my friend has a evo 8 and a STi and it works. since you got the car, i hope you no longer look down on the wing becusae you will feel it working. please do not confuse the rear wing the ones found on most civics that only cause drag. if you do get a chance to drive an evo without hte wing. you will feel a different in the rear grip.

1. How often are you going 130mph around turns.
2. How do you "KNOW" that it is functional? Have you ever taken the spoiler off your friends car to see if it holds the road any worse without it? I'm guessing no...
3. It seems to me that instead of worrying about downforce, they should have worked on a design with a lower center of gravity, those things are almost as tall as SUV's... :lol:

the wing is functional and the RS model doesn't come with a wing and every mag says that the car gets tail happy at 120mph. plus when we drive that car hard, you can feel the rear downforce pushing hte rear end of the car down, esp when you hit the expansion joints. and the evolution always came with wings. since hte evo 1 in 92. the wings was constantly changing not becusae of style but becusae of the WRC regulations. they can only limit you to a certain height for a certain year. if you look at the older EVO4's it has a tall wing with a fin going right down the middle like this I I I. but that was outlawed in the WRC so to compensate for it the V has a smaller wing integrated into the larger wing. they don't make these changes for nothing. these changes were made strictly for rule changes in racing. and i firmly believe they work. and trust me on nyc on certain highways there are alot of curves. my friend ( bry, he also has a evo but its stock ) knows a guy ( patrick ) with a black modded evo and he was taking turns are near 150mph on the southern state parkway racing a bunch of other cars.

and every mag says


:rolleyes:

I have said this before, and I will say it again: "Road cars have wings more so to combat lift, than to generate downforce".

To be able to get both in one package is very good, as in the case of the Evo and the STi.

Read: http://www.gmecca.com/byorc/dtipsaerodynamics.html#AeroGeneral

Also, the closer the wing's elevation is to the car's roofline, the better: http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/aero/tech_aero.htm#Wing

i just happen to be a big fan of the evo-8 and i think its an upgrade, i think its faster in a straight line and on a track.

It is quicker 1/4 mile wise (Atleast in the mags) then the Z28, let alone handling wise. the z28 probably has more potential to win 1/4 mile wise in the long run (mods), but I dunno if I really wanna race that much anymore anyways. I love the way this EVO looks. :)

What color did you get it in?

its blue by you.

Nice choice 2000LS1Z28. Those Evo VIII's are an awesome mix of handling, power, and daily driveability. Don't go putting nitrous in that bad boy now! ;)

i always wondered why do you v8 guys always look down on that wing. i hope you guys know that the wing on the evo is actually functional

Rather or not it's functional doesn't change the fact that it's ugly. And that's why it's looked down upon by some. That's not what I think, I think the car and wing look very good. I'm just explaining why some people would have that opinion. No matter how functional something is, if you think it's ugly, you think it's ugly.

Anyways, I agree with Layla's Keeper...I know I would find it extremely hard to switch to something with a lot less torque, after driving my car for so long. My next car will PROBABLY be a new Corvette, lots of torque there. Everytime I drive another car with a lot less torque than I'm used to, I find I don't nearly enjoy it as much. Even if the car happens to be pretty quick, if there's no torque, I don't enjoy the driving experience nearly as much as if I'm driving my car or a Vette, or anything else with boatload of torgue.

Hooray for Chevy lifting the typical 350ci barrier to a 6.0liter. Wish I had a chance to drive one of those new Vettes. Thats besides the point, personally I like the way the Lancer looks, I don't like the wing but the front looks good. Though the Lancer and the WRX are a little too small for me, I felt very stuffed in the STi, more-so then most sports cars.

i got Best Motoring videos showing the Difference between the RS and Evo ..... RS wins everytime