rotary 20b-TT

hey, im looking at getting an '86 FC33 GXL , however no motor. how much does its cost or painful is it to squeeze a 20b twin turbo under the hood. has it been done ? any info on where i can get motor mounts ?? would it be easier to get it done or do it myself ? any and all info will help thanks for your time ppl,
Nemeii

Well, it would be very difficult to put it in. But it has been done. Itsd alot more common in FD's but it has been done. I would not sugest you attemp to do it on your own. You will have to be doign alot of fabrication to get it to fit. As well as wiring harness'. Id sugest you just throw a TII in there and call it a day. But if you do decide to go with a 20b let us know how it works out.

TII ??, my lingo dealin w/ rex's is pretty up to date but youll have to tell me what that is , im assuming a 13b single??, meh idk pending on the labor cost i may have it done by the end of the summer if i can get my hands on this FC......p.s. - i would do it to and FD if i had the $$$ =P

O sorry, i was refering to the Turbo II motor, ya a 13b single turbo motor like you said. Its an easy swap, and you can get quite alot of power out of it.

TII ??, my lingo dealin w/ rex's is pretty up to date but youll have to tell me what that is

ROFLMFAO :loser:

your info says :
"detailed knowledge of rotary engines and honda engine compatibility "
*cough*poser*cough*

Also Mr. I dont have the money for an FD but I want to do a 20b swap
there is a post below this one a ways were the price of exactly such an operation was debated. I think the conservative estimate was in then neighborhood of about 20g, and the place that will do it professionally charges 35g.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=185738

Admit it. . . your a newbie. Hell I'm a newbie. It's not a crime man.
:newbie:

TII ??, my lingo dealin w/ rex's is pretty up to date but youll have to tell me what that is , im assuming a 13b single??

up to date as of when, 1984? thats about as common as saying FC. oh well, as least you figured it out though. :bigthumb:

o come on, give the newbie a break. at least he knows what a 13b and 20b are, that's a relief.

newbie?!?! whats this? well ill accept that title if its referring to rx7's after 93. and i meant literal rotary physics not necessarily different car model titles to each engine, and also "mr devout wankelist" and "spirit r" the reason im here is to find out how much this type of thing would cost not entertain your cheesy comments and to do it my self so it doesnt cost me the 35g's your talking abt. thanks for the link though and i already have found over a dozen 20b that are about 1500 cheaper than what they listed it for in that price list. Also i know that depending on the engine a rebuild could do nothing for a rotary engine if at any time it overheats to a certain degree you could pull apart a "bombed out" engine and find the apex seals are fine , its the rotor casing walls that are crapped out which means big bux. id rather deal w/ a relatively new low mileage engine even if it is already broken in.

Here just spur of the moment,lookie here even better for cheaper:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33615&item=2463261096

though i kinda resent the poser comment.....punk :tongue:, and spirit r if he told me "13bT" i wouldve gotten it in a second but like i said i wasnt familiar w/ the car but the engines i know as good as anyone here. in fact i knew about four types of rotary engine that most mazda enthusiasts didnt and still dont dont have a clue evr existed. one such engine i have been looking for, for almost a year now and i have been only able to pick up some clues to a few of there existance and the most up to date referance to an R26b is a picture of one dated in june 2003. i went to one mazda forum looking for info and i had 2 replies , one that it didnt exist and another telling me to go to nissan forum (they mustve mistaked it for and RB26DETT, nissan skyline gtr engine) however it does exist and i believe there is a link around this forum somewhere that has it listed and some minor info about it.

p.s.- update: looking into an 88' TII rx7, new engine n such maybe i will use that after the new engine craps out.... (hey look!! i used the new term i learned yay!! ::sarcasm::)


thanks for the info...

Nemeii

oh yeah and thanx for the quasi- props aruba....

I dont think i know any rotary enthusiasts who arent familiar with the r26b.

Welcome to the Rx7 boards Nemeii.

Yeah there are always 20bs on ebay, and they usually go for 5g or less, buuuttt, the real cost of the swap is all of the custom manufacturing, not the engine itself.

the engines i know as good as anyone here. in fact i knew about four types of rotary engine that most mazda enthusiasts didnt and still dont dont have a clue evr existed. one such engine i have been looking for, for almost a year now and i have been only able to pick up some clues to a few of there existance and the most up to date referance to an R26b is a picture of one dated in june 2003. i went to one mazda forum looking for info and i had 2 replies , one that it didnt exist and another telling me to go to nissan forum (they mustve mistaked it for and RB26DETT, nissan skyline gtr engine) however it does exist and i believe there is a link around this forum somewhere that has it listed and some minor info about it.

I think you are seriously underestimating and maybe even insulting the intelligence and knowledge of the members of this board.
As far as that other board. . . Well if it was a Mazda forum like you say and not an rx7 forum or rotary forum, you can hardly hold some mazda drivers accountable for knowledge on rotaries. Most of them probably dont drive rotaries. . . Where is a link to this post, I would like to know.

PS. You dont have to tell us wtf an R26bDETT is either man. . .

"FC33" Anyone else catch that ;)

lol, missed that one. :owned:

If you knew so much then you would opt for the jolly green giant that was made by john deere.
3.5 liter 4 rotor. made 850 hp normally aspirated. :evillol:

http://mazda.a-spec.ca/
hey look thathas every mazda engine ever made or used, even prototypes. now leave and never come back because you'll never get a R26B because it was only used for the Lemans and IMSA GTP race cars, it is not available to consumers, if you weren't a totaly idiot you'd know that.

why do people seem to think its hard to find info about this engine? well just to show how easy it is, heres another link for the R26B! http://www.mymazdarotary.com/mazda_rotary_general/r26b/html/r26b_paper_html.htm

come on people, learn how to google already!

Good Day!

Ok, ok, ok, one more thing, I swear. . .

This is his biography from his profile

detailed knowledge of rotary engines and honda engine compatibility

:wtf: Since when were there ANY rotaries that were compatible with any honda engine? :screwy:

Hey nemeii, I really enjoy you posting, if you post again still defending yourself. I will mail you a dollar. I really will, promise.

Hey did you know Nasa did a study on those john deere rotaries? I found out about it a few days ago at my campus library. They have the reports of the limitations of the rotary engine in general and used some smaller john deere 1 rotor motors for most of their testing. It's all on microfiche but if I ever get a digicam I will post it.

Wow, i didn't want to start bashing anyone, i just called him a newbie cuz it says so under his name. hell, he could be Felix Wankel himself, i'd still have called him a newbie (unless he specifically said he was Mr. Wankle, or gave some info about his rotary background or something) so yeah... if ur wondering why i called u a newbie, look under your name when you post.

Here is a link to some pics of my 20b fd

http://ca.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sailingbermuda/lst?.dir=/car&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//ca.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/

Please?

Ok, Ok, Ok. . . 2 dollars

It has been rumored that Jim Downing pays 100K a pop for R26B's.

Still want to buy one??

FELIX!!!!

http://www.nopistons.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=viewimage&img=71

i guess the closest thing to getting one is building one yourself... i've heard of people making 20bs out of 13bs... i just found this site, about some guys that make 26bs out of 13 bs, but i'm sure it's not the same thing. http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg03.htm

bah , you want to send me the 2 bux via money order, or cash?, i been away. first point , i didnt mean to imply that rotaries are interchangeable with honda engines what i was saying was i know detailed workings of a rotary engine and i also know (seperate subject devout, just incase you didnt pick up on that) a decent amount about honda engines and different "frankenstein" combo's, now if you guys are all about bashing then fine. go have fun i was wondering why there were only a few ppl posting. 2nd thing , i was looking for info on how to find/ buy/ build a 4 rotor engine not looking for info on the engine itself. like i said ive heard that some used ones have ended up in the consumer market.

no doubt that the custom fab. work is what makes the swap co$t.

3rd, soyo...idiot!, i do know that they werent readily availible to any street "consumer market" which is why i surf around asking boneheads like you if they have a clue. obviously some ppl just like to argue and paste there 2 cents abt everything.

yes i would still wanna buy one for 100k if i had the cash, but i dont so i will probably end up trying to build my own, and exactly, make it outta two 13b's, logical

finally, im not proclaiming my self here as some all knowing rotary archivist, hell you can see the posts i didnt even know what the hell a turbo II was , i just guessed. A few anal know it all's sure as hell can give a forum's worth of ppl a bad name.....to the few - chill.

Cash, email me your address to [email protected]
:screwy: Yeah. . . thats actually my address, if it werent that easy to remember, I never would.

OBTW http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/4rotor.html
Maybe that will help you, and I'm looking for some damned site I saw ~4 months ago where you could purchase a 3 piece eccentric shaft for a 26b project. I can only remember that they were based in Australia. I'll post it for you if i find it.

yey! Why do people even make posts like this? They are never going to do the swap. I would bet you about a million dollars that you will never put a 20b in your GXL. This is the same crap that newbies would ask in the 240sx forums. "How much does it cost to put a RB26 in my 240sx" Who the fuck cares, you're not going to do it, so why bother asking?

dayna your my role model

hey man , thanx a bunch , the link learned me alot, ill k.i.t if i get anywhere, godspeed...
nemeii

p.s. - dayna, why did you bother looking then?and your right im not cause i didnt buy the GXL, im thinking about sayin forget the 20b and building my own damn motor so i can burn ppl who dont have the stamina to go the distance and obtain there dream (mine is a 2.6 litre wankel:icon16:) so if you have the million dollars can i collect in a few years or so, or is this like a timed thing? (hmm with the million dollars i can buy more 4 rotors, hell a 100k a pop isnt bad w/ a million dollars in hand:p)
p.p.s. - can you make it all 100 dollar bills?:grinyes:

p.p.p.s.- um nice cat thing

So how do you plan on making your "2.6 liter wankel"? How long is this going to take you? How long has this been a dream of yours? 6 months because you read the latest super street?

If you do that, I will make it all 1 dollar bills and maybe the bag will almost be as big as your head.

:owned:

no i didnt read about this in "superstreet" , but now that we know where your major sources of data come from i might have to change this discussion into simpler terms...

funny i already thought i went through this with everyone that has posted here,:banghead:, that the point of a forum is not to bicker and banter about what othr ppl do or wanna do or just like talking about even if they arent able to actually succeed in doing somethig, ya wanna complain go see a shrink and no, my head isnt quite as big as the bag of singles would be, but its obvious from the content of your posts that the bag is nowhere near as big as your mouth.

r26b recipe:
(more detailed thanx to devout wankelist and the links he has shared as well as everyone else contributing to this forum- unlike "ms nonricer" ovr here)

well i plan on making it by combining to 13 b's whether or not it will be a quad turbo or twin i have yet to decide, i want to buy two front clips and use seperate e.c.u.'s etc just like if they were seperatly running engines minus the fact that the crankshaft is one peice (4 lobe) and the sprocket that drives the oil pump will be fabricated (due to the higher torque the engine can handle it) so that the oil willl pump twice the speed. most everything else will be stock until i get it to work (like i said seperate comps etc , i might even pick up two haltech engine management systems just to be able to fine tune and what not.) the #2 and #3 rotors will be set 180 degrees seperate in rotation as proven decent in design by a racing company due to the balancing. however before i bother trying to machine parts for a coupling they prescribed to join the crankshafts like previously stated i will try to fuse the crankshafts together (machine shop or custom creation, undetermined) and just modify a seperate wall (from another engine) as the mating plate. i may have to get a beefier starter but as far as i can tell a stock flywheel is satisfactory.combining of some systems such as cooling (yet using seperate thermostats) will happen for size and simplicities sake.
~ i hope you have been schooled enough to withold your unrelated comments, if not they will be further disregarded by me as ignorant rantings. :thefinger

p.s.- ms.af's non-ricer racer girl, fyi, subaru's and nissan's are rice :loser:
~funny how you flagrantly display your non affiliation with rice and yet your forum name bears the title of one of the most respected *rice* drifters there are (in my opinion).


oh yeah, hey look at me im almost as cool as flex over here, look i pasted the "owned smily", im real cool huh? :owned:


:gives:

Well nemeii I was just having a good time listening to this post you have going here. It's amusing to me how you want to make this four rotor engine. The best part in the whole post "well i plan on making it by combining to 13 b's whether or not it will be a quad turbo or twin i have yet to decide." :nono: You obviously don't now jack shit about turbocharging to make a statement like that. Your last post screams 17 year old or younger poser that is lost in his own dream world and you say that you just schooled us? :disappoin Schooled who? I don't see anyone schooled.

By all means I don't think it's impossible, but I don't see why this would be the best way to go even if you could "build" this engine. How old are you dude? Do you have a job to pay for this building of this four rotor you plan on doing? Can you weld? Can you weld "good"? Do you have any tools for all this custom work. You think 35K for a three rotor is a lot? 35K is the tip of the iceburg on a four rotor project.

Before you come back to this forum and "post" you should finish high school and maybe take a few automotive classes at one of your local community colleges. This is a great source of information, but it's not a poser's playground.

p.s. If you would like to learn more on turbocharging let me know and I can recommend a good book on the subject.

Dana knows more than most of us ever will. . . You must have one of those "I'm going to stereotype cars as rice based on their models" definitions of rice. To most of us rice means tastless modification.

Quad turbo? Pointless, you dont know what your talking about.

Crankshaft? Rotaries dont have em.

Ignorant? I'm just gonna let you know that your the only person here who doesnt think you calling Dana ignorant ironic.

If i'm not mistaken, i remember reading something about mazda's first 4 rotor engines, and that they weren't very good becuase the output shafts were fused together rather than machined. that's not a good way to go, the engine won't be able to run at high rpms. I actually came up with the same idea when i was 16, but it involved 6 rotors, not just 4. what was i thinkin? it'd still be cool to do, but the only thing it'd probably be good for would be a completely custom car to take to pikes peak under the unlimited category. this project is going to cost you an insane amount of money, especially since you want to turbo it. My new plan has gone from a 6 rotor to an N/A bridgeport 13b, definetly a little more realistic wouldn't you think? I'm not saying that what you want to do is impossible, i mean, it has been done, but i don't think you realize the resources you are going to need.

http://me.a-spec.ca:6001/Rotary/2002.html

read up on that, that's pretty much what you're doing, and it shows you why it failed.

dude, you couldn't spec the proper wastegates for your supposed quad-turbo set-up let alone afford them, or map them.. All you have is dreams, which isn't bad... dream away, set ACHIEVABLE goals and then concern them.. In the meantime... here are some links for you to dream about... please note that the rear diff in the first link is far more costly than your entire years allowance.

http://www.4rotor.com/

http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/4rotor.html

WHy buy 2 haltechs? one would do, but if you actually knew haltechs, or more importantly cars in general you'd know that.

Again why haltech??? you obviously have the money to afford a motec or two.. BTW, you really couldn't afford the motec seminar (which i have attended) let alone the hardware..

Just drop it. I will if you do, however, if you question my superior rotor acumen once more you will be owned so severely you'll likely kill yourself with a blunt rotor from a dead engine... Oh wait, you've never actually seen in side one..... Fucking posers.

Concerning your ricey cars... Neither are the requisite Civic or Integra, and neither of the pre-mentioned cars could keep up with anything in my stable.

::shakes head::......::sigh::

thanks aruba for the info once again you seem to be the only one to keep a cool head and not go off on an "i know more than anyone , ego trip."

to further matters ::dropping subject::... so no one has a coniption over here,

and dayna if i were as "wise" as you (claim), i would act the part instead of like some spastic know it all, that throws factoids in ppl's face after having a "teenager" insult them.

oh yeah, and i wasnt spoiled like most kids are today i didnt have an *allowance* i had a job and have ever since.

godspeed...

p.s. - im sure to many of your delights i wont bother posting for a while, this hobby is taking a backseat to work so that maybe one day (perhaps in the next year or two) i will build this mothr and, dont worry, if i do ill post a pic with a lil memento ;) , peace

Just posting to bash. . .

Haha, what a loser. Jesus man there are 2 n's in conniption.