Nsx - Rx-8 - Supra - Evo 8 - Sti - Rx-7

Forget the price.

These are the top notch Japanesse sports cars made. If you were restricted on doing modifications to these cars (keeping the car stock), or selling the one you chose. Which one would you take and why?

If you were restricted on doing modifications to these cars, or selling the one you chose. Which one would you take and why?



What? No mods or mods?

One question. Which RX-7? The SA-22?, the FC or FD?

If it's the FC or FD then it would have to be a three way tie between the STI, RX7 or EVO VIII

No mods. There is no limit to what those can do for any car.

I choose the one that is not on the list 3000GT VR4 :sunglasse













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What about the 300sx. Or the MR2. Starion.

There are alot of good cars...

I vote Vspec II Skyline GTR.

For no limits no bounds just HP...Supra

personally, i would like a 300zx tt more than those specific cars. the 300zx is just so beautiful looking and fast. but if it was just out of the cars you gave us, i would choose.......damn such a hard choice........the supra. but it is a very close race between the rx-7, nsx, and supra. the supra comes on top cuz of its looks.

i'd pick the supra. any car that can take out super charged vipers, twin turbo mustangs and all the other crazy cars the domestic market can dish out is king in my book.

You did say HONDA NSX right? Then I pick the mid-ship no question...

i'd pick the supra. any car that can take out super charged vipers, twin turbo mustangs and all the other crazy cars the domestic market can dish out is king in my book.

i always thought the vipers were turbocharged and mustangs supercharged? but yeah, i do agree with you.

i would pick the supra b/c it is hella fast and has a very exotic look to it. and i trust it more than a rotory.

i always thought the vipers were turbocharged and mustangs supercharged? but yeah, i do agree with you.

well the fast vipers are usually super charged. and the super fast stangs are usually twin turboed.

well the fast vipers are usually super charged. and the super fast stangs are usually twin turboed.

i learn something everyday. especially on af. but now that i think of it, my bro (not me unfortunately) saw a procharged viper. i bet that thing was fast as hell.

It would be a tie between the NSX and the Supra for me. Looks good and lots of potential.

Well i would choose the RX7 because;

The Supra can produce much power, but at a high cost, but still can not outhandle a moded RX7
The RX8 has great handling but no power to back it up.
The Sti is on its limits from factory, you cant get much more out of it.
The EVO 8 is alos close to its usuable limits. Yes both the EVO8 and Sti can make gobs of power but its totaly unusable on the road.
Honda NSX is to expensive to maintain, does not have much of an aftermarket. But can handle great.
The 300ZX has a cramped engine bay, but uch potential.
3000GT very expensive to fix, and parts are hard to find.
Skyline, well its a skyline GREAT CAR.
The RX7 combinds awsome handling, lots of poer, great looks, good drivability, and it is quite unique.

But thats just my opinion.

That list is incomplete and a bit silly - RX8 does not fit in the mix at all.....

Well i would choose the RX7 because;

The Supra can produce much power, but at a high cost, but still can not outhandle a moded RX7
The RX8 has great handling but no power to back it up.
The Sti is on its limits from factory, you cant get much more out of it.
The EVO 8 is alos close to its usuable limits. Yes both the EVO8 and Sti can make gobs of power but its totaly unusable on the road.
Honda NSX is to expensive to maintain, does not have much of an aftermarket. But can handle great.
The 300ZX has a cramped engine bay, but uch potential.
3000GT very expensive to fix, and parts are hard to find.
Skyline, well its a skyline GREAT CAR.
The RX7 combinds awsome handling, lots of poer, great looks, good drivability, and it is quite unique.

But thats just my opinion.

i don't see how is a EVO 8 anywhere close to being maxed out from the factory. and how you say that you can't use that kind of power. the evo 8 technically only run's 16 psi of boost. it hits 19 for a split second then it drops down to 16. if you get a boost controller you can keep it at a steady 19 psi. plus the stock bypass valve is made of plastic and tends to leak boost. you change the stock bypass valve for a 1st gen dsm one. and it will hold the extra boost. plus the turbo is a super 16G. many evo guys have been runing 21+ psi of boost on the turbo with no problems. and the car is tuned to run pig rich from the factory. once you get the AFC you can lean the car out with the burschur settings. that car with simple bolt ons and ecu reflash ( or AFC tune ) running constant 19psi on 93 octane pump gas can make close to 350whp. thats around a 100whp gain. plus, its AWD so you'll have no problem putting hte power down. my car only makes 230whp but first gear is completely useless to me. mean while my friends stock evo can take off like crazy without even squeeling the tires and on the G-tech he ran a 0-60 in 5.4 seconds with me in the car. my professor is a pro drag racer at pro stock and he ran the g-tech side by side with the race track. and the g-tec is always .3 seconds slower becusae at the race track. you can actually roll the car out for a few feet before the timer goes off. so becuase the g-tec doesn't use the 2 small light sensors on the starting line. the timer starts off sooner. anyways so his corrected 0-60 time is at a amazing 5.0 seconds flat for an amatuer driver. granted this was done on a 25 degree night. but still i would like to see a stock rx-7 do that kind of off the line aceleration.

The G tech has been proven to be a peice of garbage, never gives accurate readings. You would get more accurate readins if you used a peice of paper and some formulas.

also i find information that says that the 1995 Mazda RX7 can run 4.9sec 0-60.

http://www.supercars.net/cars/1995@$Mazda@$RX-7g.html

Yes the RX7 cant do that without some wheel slippage, but it can pull 4.9second 0-60 STOCK.

5.2 seconds http://www.supercarstats.com/car/exotic-stats/mazda_rx-7.shtml

5.1 seconds http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/rx7.html

5.2 seconds http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.mv?file=car.mv&num=305

4.9 seconds http://www.epinions.com/auto_Make-1995_Mazda_RX_7/display_~reviews

Avreage those all out and you get 5.06 0-60 mph. Now that is pretty impressive for a STOCK RWD car. Keeps right up there with the EVO8 and can kill it on the straights.

If you read my post again i said that the EVO 8 is basiclu at its limits for daily driving. If you do manage to get 100extra hp out of it then you will be really pusing its reliability. Yes i have seen GSX with 400 hp and are daiyl driven. But its not very practical or cost efficent, because you wear the engine very fast, as well as require more matinence to maintain the proper working order of it.

EVO 8 specs.

4.8 seconds http://www.modernracer.com/mitsubishilancerevo8.html

I cant find many sites with times, but im asuming 4.8 is pretty good for the EVO 8. Now .2 seconds is not much of a margen, especialy when you are racing on a street. SO the cars are a pretty close match actualy. But i find the RX7 to look better, and it handles better.

umm, i disagree with that, an rx-7 is not faster than a evo-8, no mag has ever ran a rx-7 at less than 13.5 usually there at about 13.9-14.0
evo-8's been known to run 13.1 in the quarter, rally car handles like a dream. no way the rx-7 is faster than the evo-8.

never seen it run less than this

Specifications
Year 1995 Origin Not Available
Make Mazda Base Price $31 000 USD
Model RX-7 Production Not Available
Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis
Position Not Available Drive Wheels Front Engine / RWD
Configuration Wankel Rotary (2) Curb Weight 1222 kg / 2694 lbs
Valvetrain Not Available Length 4280 mm / 168.5 in
Displacement 1308 cc / 79.8 cu in Width 1750 mm / 68.9 in
Power 190.2 kw / 255.1 bhp @ 6500 rpm Height 1230 mm / 48.4 in
Torque 294.0 nm / 216.8 ft lbs @ 5000 rpm Wheelbase 2426 mm / 95.5 in
Bore Not Available Front Track 1461 mm / 57.5 in
Stroke Not Available Rear Track 1461 mm / 57.5 in
Redline 8000 Steering Rack & Pinion w/Vairble Power Assist
HP / Liter 195.03 bhp per litre Body / Frame Unit Steel
HP / Curb Weight Front Brakes Vented Discs
Gear Type 5-Speed Manual Front Brake Size 295 mm / 11.6 in
1st Gear Ratio 3.48:1 Rear Brakes Vented Discs
2nd Gear Ratio 2.02:1 Rear Brake Size 295 mm / 11.6 in
3rd Gear Ratio 1.39:1 Front Wheels F 40.6 x 20.3 cm / 16.0 x 8.0 in
4th Gear Ratio 1.00:1 Rear Wheels R 40.6 x 20.3 cm / 16.0 x 8.0 in
5th Gear Ratio 0.72:1 Front Tires 225/50R16
6th Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Tires 225/50R16
7th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Suspension Not Available
Final Drive Ratio 4.10:1 Rear Suspension Not Available
Performance
Top Speed 250.0 kph / 155.3 mph 0 - 60 mph 4.9 seconds
0 - ¼ mile 13.5 seconds 0 - 100 mph Not Available
Lateral Acceleration 0.98g EPA City/Hwy 17 / 25 mpg

Like i just proved the EVO is quicker, just look at the info i provided. But with speed limiters removed the RX7 is faster, it will also have the advantage from a roll.

But im not trying to down play the EVo i think it is a beautiful car. Im just trying to say that in my opinion the RX7 is a more rounded sports car.

I have seen 7's run at 4.3 0-60 but that is VERY rare. But those specks are pretty accurate from what i can see.

Like i just proved the EVO is quicker, just look at the info i provided. But with speed limiters removed the RX7 is faster, it will also have the advantage from a roll.

But im not trying to down play the EVo i think it is a beautiful car. Im just trying to say that in my opinion the RX7 is a more rounded sports car.

oh, you mean at top speed, yes i agree with you, i beleive rx-7 top speed is like 168mph while the evo-8 is like 155. and from a roll....... i'll give it a toss up.

i don't see how is a EVO 8 anywhere close to being maxed out from the factory. and how you say that you can't use that kind of power. the evo 8 technically only run's 16 psi of boost. it hits 19 for a split second then it drops down to 16. if you get a boost controller you can keep it at a steady 19 psi. plus the stock bypass valve is made of plastic and tends to leak boost. you change the stock bypass valve for a 1st gen dsm one. and it will hold the extra boost. plus the turbo is a super 16G. many evo guys have been runing 21+ psi of boost on the turbo with no problems. and the car is tuned to run pig rich from the factory. once you get the AFC you can lean the car out with the burschur settings. that car with simple bolt ons and ecu reflash ( or AFC tune ) running constant 19psi on 93 octane pump gas can make close to 350whp. thats around a 100whp gain. plus, its AWD so you'll have no problem putting hte power down. my car only makes 230whp but first gear is completely useless to me. mean while my friends stock evo can take off like crazy without even squeeling the tires and on the G-tech he ran a 0-60 in 5.4 seconds with me in the car. my professor is a pro drag racer at pro stock and he ran the g-tech side by side with the race track. and the g-tec is always .3 seconds slower becusae at the race track. you can actually roll the car out for a few feet before the timer goes off. so becuase the g-tec doesn't use the 2 small light sensors on the starting line. the timer starts off sooner. anyways so his corrected 0-60 time is at a amazing 5.0 seconds flat for an amatuer driver. granted this was done on a 25 degree night. but still i would like to see a stock rx-7 do that kind of off the line aceleration.


I completelly agree with your post. The evo is far form being max'ed out from the factory.

One thing though. IMO the SAFC is not the way to go since it has no spark timing control. A buschurflash its a much better choice. You get the SAFC setting plus the timing control. I've seen David's dyno runs and the torque curve was much better with the flash.

yes the evo 8 is faster than the rx-7, but one reason i like the rx-7 better is the evo 8 still has four doors. plus, the evo is just a lil bit too boxy, the rx-7 looks a lot better. since the evo and rx-7 come pretty close in performance, i would say the looks set back the evo from the rx-7.

Well people misunderstood what i was asking, what i meant by no modifications is choosing a car to keep it completely stock.
Stock the fastest car is the NSX i believe, that is in the quarter mile, and i bet at the track also. Nsx has run 13.2-13.4 in many magazines.

I think that the Toyota Supra is VERY ugly. I mean VERY. I dont see why people think its nice looking, for me it looks old and the design when it is stock is not comparable to even a stock civic. Its one of the ugliest sports cars ever. Not trying to offend anyone, its just my opinion on looks.

Visually the only car that really stands out is the NSX. Best looking oriental car. No doubt. With little mods the RX-7 looks beautiful.

i do agree that a stock supra is pretty ugly stock. but thats nothing that a simple drop and some nice volk racing wheels can't change. and for the fastest being stock, its a toss up between the nsx and the supra. both of them traps at around 107mph. but the supra just has soo much more muscle then the nsx. and it only weights 300lbs more. and for FDTT, you complain that the 4G63 is unreliable after you start modding it. this 4G63 has nothing to do with the ones found on the DSM's. in fact its even facing the opposite direction from each other. not even the head gasket will be interchangable between them. the stock evo block is proven to hold over 400whp. now lets talk about our little friend the 13BREW. why was mazda on crack to build that motor and not use a MAF or atleast a flapper door type to meter air flow is beyond me. why da hell did they use a MAP sensor for a turbo car? this is why sooo many FD3S's detonate in the winter becuase once its boost creeps the car won't know theres extra air coming in and it run's lean and detonate. and all it takes is one knock and the engine is finished. hows that for reliablity. most people that mod rx-7's atleast gets a APEXi power FC so compensate for that, and most 13BREW are finished in only 50-60K miles. yet you complain about the reliablity and strenght of the true 4G63 ( not the DSM 4G63)

I was not complaning about the reliability of the 4G63 rather saying that a 4 cylinder producing 100hp per cylinder will run into wear problems because of such power.
I like the 4G63, but it has its limitations. Im talking about for daily driving use, i have not seen a 400WHP 4G63 that is driven day to day @ 400whp with out having some problems that would not be associated with having such high power.

well that would be a given. but thats the beauty of turbo charged cars. for daily chores you run stock boost, then when your running someone on the street you raise the boost. simple and effective. i mean why would anyone want to run 400whp in all day and in traffic for? plus just cusae it makes a peak hp of 400hp doens't mean its always makign 400hp, its only making 400hp when your flooring and wringing out the gears.

Well people misunderstood what i was asking, what i meant by no modifications is choosing a car to keep it completely stock.
Stock the fastest car is the NSX i believe, that is in the quarter mile, and i bet at the track also. Nsx has run 13.2-13.4 in many magazines.

I think that the Toyota Supra is VERY ugly. I mean VERY. I dont see why people think its nice looking, for me it looks old and the design when it is stock is not comparable to even a stock civic. Its one of the ugliest sports cars ever. Not trying to offend anyone, its just my opinion on looks.

Visually the only car that really stands out is the NSX. Best looking oriental car. No doubt. With little mods the RX-7 looks beautiful.

I can see your opinion there.

Let me fill in mine. "In my opinion", the Toyota Supra has always been the king of import sports car in its class (alongside with the Nissan Skyline) and always will be. No doubt the Acura NSX looks better and may perform better than the Toyota Supra (though they are in different classes).

Its still going to be a tie for me between the NSX and the Supra.

If stock? NSX. Best looks, good handling and decent power.
If modded? RX-7. Best combo of handling and power.

RX-7, if I have to pick from those cars. They're just the best looking thing there. Rotary engines are cool even if they blow the radiators alot. Too many people have Supras these days.


If I can pick any car..... A 2001 Cobra Twin-Turbo'd.:nutkick:

where i live you see rx-7 twice as much as you see a supra. and i'm sticking with the evo-8

Each cars has their own pros and cons. I think every car on the list is a good car. But as usual, everything comes down to a personal preference on what they want. If one says he likes the car1 better than the car2, its his/her opinion. Then it all comes down to the driver skills. So lets just take these cars to the track and decide. :)

There is a japeneas video comparing all of these cars. Gues which one wins. Its the RX7.
The hole video is on the race track and the RX7 just kills everything. There is a R32 Skyline, 2 NSX's, 1 STi, 2 EVO's, and a Supra.
O sorry, there was no RX8 but that car does not belong with the rest of those cars. Its a glorified family car. But one hell of one.

i wish we got the lancer 6 GSR (MY FAVORITE)

and the old imprezas with NON BUBBLE LIGHTS STI version

If you mean NSX is Honda not Acura, I might pick that, because it can be open top. You may think I'm a dumb girl...But letting my hair being blown by the wind is kind of nice feeling.

I like the price of the sti. but i also love those evo's

i wish we got the lancer 6 GSR (MY FAVORITE)

and the old imprezas with NON BUBBLE LIGHTS STI version

i second that with the EVO6 tommi mak edition rocks... and you could have an old style impreza WRX/STI.. buy an 2.5RS, motor swap (one of the easiest there is) to an STI tuned 2.0L and gearbox... now for it to be a "true" STI you'd have to change out the axles, hubs, diffs, etc but it has be done before...

you cant mess with the nsx, maybe the supra almost in that category, but not close, and how come a rotary beat a supra and evo in this category i'm still scratching my head. nsx is an exotic and hands down deserves to be in a category of its own.

yea but its so crappy of an exotic (using exotic standards).. that these other cars are still contenders..

how come they can't touch the nsx, the supra and the evo-8 and the sti run same times and faster than the nsx in the 1320. and there cheaper!

We can not deny the NSX has a good aerodynamic function. But if we are on the talk of hp, it's just not in the same group that the others are.

Why make an $80,000 "sports car" if it has no balls???

well it does have balls in the twisties. and 13.4 is balls imo, just not for $80,000

I was unaware that a 260HP (or is it 280HP) car could still manage to rum mid 13s, and I know it supposedly an awesome handling and drift car, but you got my point, I'd expct a lot more for $80,000. Plus, in the Japanese market, there are amny better cars for a lot less, Supra, Skyline, RX-7... that's why the NSX couldn't even make into the ricer... I mean Fast and the Furious.

yes, the nsx is priced outrageous for what it is. but at the beginning of the thread, the thread started said forget about price. but i do agree with you guys.

I was unaware that a 260HP (or is it 280HP) car could still manage to rum mid 13s, and I know it supposedly an awesome handling and drift car, but you got my point, I'd expct a lot more for $80,000. Plus, in the Japanese market, there are amny better cars for a lot less, Supra, Skyline, RX-7... that's why the NSX couldn't even make into the ricer... I mean Fast and the Furious.
That movie?
You are using that movie to talk about real cars?

Gees...Are you kidding? :uhoh:

Try to see how many NSX are there in tracks...(JGTC)

It was just a statement, take it for what it is... I was trying to say the movie supposedly featured the best Japan has to offer so where was the NSX. Obviously by my rice comment I do not take that movie too seriously, and I'm including the sequel in there too.

The NSX is easy to modify, but the problem is, how many people can afford to buy it. Or shall I put it this way, who would have spent that much of money then modifify the car that costs so much?

yea but its so crappy of an exotic (using exotic standards).. that these other cars are still contenders..

What do you mean crappy. The NSX-R did 7.56 on the Nurburgring, not many exotics can do that. According to Top Gear, its 2 seconds faster than the Ferrari 575 Maranello, 3 seconds faster than the Vanquish. It tied with the Murcielago. All this was done on their test track.

So, why is it crappy? I have the video if anybody wants to see it.

What do you mean crappy. The NSX-R did 7.56 on the Nurburgring, not many exotics can do that. According to Top Gear, its 2 seconds faster than the Ferrari 575 Maranello, 3 seconds faster than the Vanquish. It tied with the Murcielago. All this was done on their test track.

So, why is it crappy? I have the video if anybody wants to see it.
First please. :iceslolan

if he is talking bout the video i saw, the ferrari f-50 won.

That's not the video i was talking about. I also have the video that you saw.

Yeah I saw the top gear video too. Honda send it to them to see if it was worthy of selling in the UK...and it beat the vanquish and those cars on a fucking wet track. Its 280 horsepower and it can beat 400+ hp plus cars...talk about magic...lol

It tied with the Murcielago. All this was done on their test track.

So, why is it crappy? I have the video if anybody wants to see it.


It did not tie the Murcielago. however the nsx-r was on a wet track while the lambo was on a dry

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/13360times.jpg


Yeah I saw the top gear video too. Honda send it to them to see if it was worthy of selling in the UK...and it beat the vanquish and those cars on a fucking wet track. Its 280 horsepower and it can beat 400+ hp plus cars...talk about magic...lol


That is not quite what they said, what they did say was that it sold only 80 models the previous year and now it received some small modifications.

And while it did beat the 575 and the vanquish on a wet track lets do mention that they were on a wet track too. And to be honest the most important factor in those conditions are the tires. So unless they were running identical tires the results can be argued.

Second that was the NSX-R whose contender would not be the 575 which is mainly a cruiser but the Stradale.


Still a gvery good perfomance though

You are right, tires are big factor. No one knows what tires they used on the 575M, Vanquish or the NSX-R. My reason for posting these info is because a lot of people don't like the nsx(r) and think it's overrated because it only has 290hp and cost $90000+. I just wanted to show that cars shouldn't be judged based only on the horsepower.

300zx is the best out of all hehehekakka
90 300zx for 5000 add 4000 upgrade turbos
500+ HP cheap money and fast ...
i have see 800HP 300zx but not 1000HP anyhow this guy
have some infor... about 1000Hp
http://cherrypicker.tripod.com/turboupgradeforvg30dett/id8.html
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some people think EVO is fast but it not that fast as you think, because those people affected by the movie 2 fast 2 furios. NO, V4 turbo cars going to kill V6 Turbo cars, RX 7 will smoke out the heck of Evo and stock Evo can't compare to 300zxtt stock. by the way EVO big + ugly back , supra and 300zx best looking all the time . supra just unbeatable . 300zx with stillen Type III wing, Stillen GTZ-R II Fascia bodykit and Stillen V2 Ducted Front Panel . look here guys
http://tinhtho.net/Gallery/data/tmp_media/Zerarri_300zx_2.jpg

Dude if u forget price this whole thing is a blowout. The NSX is one of the best Jap cars ever made, but it is overpriced. If i had to go for all around performance and price it would definatly be the Evo VIII but with just performance its completly the NSX.

dude the guy above me must not know much about cars. dude the Evo could smoke a 300zx not because of the engine but the drivetrain. 4wd smokes rwd almost anyday (except supra)