No more Hondas

If this don't belong here, sorry, let it get tossed elsewhere. Just please leave a link or something. I think this is going to be a good thread, even if I get my ass flamed REAL BAD.(Thanks Mods)

Problem is: No, I didn't beat any Mustangs today. Or yesterday. Nor have many others that I know that drive the H. I HAVE had an epiphany. I'm a patriot, and the Auto industry is the lifeblood of our great country. I'd rather feed a family(Even a little is better than none.) than have a .003 panel gap. I see myself spending too much loot on this car to get it in the 12's. It's front drive, so the handling is inherently less buttoned down than rear drive. It's also basically a fucking econo car. "Premium Compact" if you want to split hairs. They are far too common, and mostly with young kids. Not that the image is a big deal, but to cops pulling motherfuckers over, image is almost everything.

Point is: I'm selling out, going to the dark side. I'm paying off this bucket and buying a Mustang no later than this fall. I still liek the imports, I like anything that is fast. I just think It's time to step up and start whooping some ass. Rear drive and at least 260hp(For the GT or the Mach1 that I plan on buying) Opinions welcome of course. Thanks. Holler back,
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NOBU

I'll let this stay in here for a while, so you can hear some feedback from those that cruise in here, but by God, if the flames start, this is gone.

carrrnuttt, what could be the problem? I mean It's just an opinion. A desire for something different. That's why people cheat, and move, and convert religions, and have kids and what not. I'd really like to hear something. I'm surprised I havn't already. Oh, well. I should probably give it a little more time. My bro almost shit when I told him that. My whole family drives Hondas. Even my Granddad has an Accord. He wants a fucking DSM(!st gen) turbo to hook up. I'd think a Mustang is a better bet than a DSM. I know factory turbo cars can usually be upgraded fairly inexpensively, and can usually haul ass when all's said and done, but I want a little rear drive action. Holler

NOBU

P.S. If it gets ugly, please leave it till tommorrow. I can't read this shit from home, I have no puter there. Gracias amigo.

Heres how i view it:

There are no imports, there are no domestics, just cars. If someone has a love for a car, then how is he any different from the next guy? be it a 72 corvette or a 00 civic Si, you still have that passion for automobiles.

Also, Whether it takes 2 grand or 10 grand to run half way decent timeslips, in the end, where are you? Youre running that same timeslip as the other guy, so you both deserve respect. FWD, RWD, AWD, it doesnt matter.

If you want to take the mustang route, in my book, you have lost no respect. ITs all preference and you are free to express your opinion!

I'm cool with everything but the feeding a family, as numerous "imports" are made in the USA. Just say it you want power and you want it now!

Enjoy the mustang man, but personally i enjoy the smoothness of the Accord(AKA my 'A' ride)

carrrnuttt, what could be the problem? I mean It's just an opinion. A desire for something different. That's why people cheat, and move, and convert religions, and have kids and what not. I'd really like to hear something. I'm surprised I havn't already. Oh, well. I should probably give it a little more time. My bro almost shit when I told him that. My whole family drives Hondas. Even my Granddad has an Accord. He wants a fucking DSM(!st gen) turbo to hook up. I'd think a Mustang is a better bet than a DSM. I know factory turbo cars can usually be upgraded fairly inexpensively, and can usually haul ass when all's said and done, but I want a little rear drive action. Holler

NOBU

P.S. If it gets ugly, please leave it till tommorrow. I can't read this shit from home, I have no puter there. Gracias amigo.

Chill.

I never said there was a problem with YOU. When I say flames, I meant from ANYONE, for or against.

Also, just like somebody said, most of the "imports" you see nowadays are built and assembled right here, in the U.S.A.

The exceptions are usually the high-end models like the NSX and S2000 for Honda, the Infiniti line for Nissan, and the Lexus line for Toyota...although that's about to change: http://company.monster.com/toymot/

BTW, my 1992 SE-R was built in Smyrna, Tennessee: http://www.tnedg.com/auto1.html

And your Civic, unless you bought it specifically JDM, was probably built in Ohio: http://www.hondaclub.com/(nos5hq3ad3kpsyyoztul4h45)/Pressreleases/PressReleaseView.asp?PressID=128

your money have a ball with it :confused: i know...get a sportbike :iceslolan

Heres how i view it:

There are no imports, there are no domestics, just cars. If someone has a love for a car, then how is he any different from the next guy? be it a 72 corvette or a 00 civic Si, you still have that passion for automobiles.

Also, Whether it takes 2 grand or 10 grand to run half way decent timeslips, in the end, where are you? Youre running that same timeslip as the other guy, so you both deserve respect. FWD, RWD, AWD, it doesnt matter.

If you want to take the mustang route, in my book, you have lost no respect. ITs all preference and you are free to express your opinion!
gg i'm 100% with you.

Mustangs SUCK I cant believe it, you treasoned the honda family, you are a loser, v8s SUCK BIG TIME.

Ha ha ha....just kidding....I respect your opinion, at the end of the day its what makes us happy, not what makes other happy. A Ive said before, if there was a best car that exceeded the other one in all areas, everyone would buy it. What it comes down to is tastes, rear wheel drive, high revving 4 cyl engines, loud exhausts, vynils, aluminium wings, boosted. What sucks is when people talk shit to others because they dont have the car that they think is the coolest, we should all respect decisions and have fun, be friendly to other car enthusiasts.
When you buy your mustang post some pics. Cool!.

Even though some of my posts might say different, I really do like alot of "import" cars. I always liked the early 90's RX-7's and Supras. I like the Sti and the Evo 8 as the modern representitives. But I'm glad you have turned to dark side...Luke Luke the LS1 is your father!

I like both. I don't really care if its a Firebird or an Eclipse, as long as its fast it could matter less to me.

I hate Civic owners who say V8 Mustangs are junk. Unless you've done some major modifications, they will smoke your ass. "Oh, well they still suck".

To like only one or the other is bigoted.

True. I think it's all the same to me too. Hopefully I'll be able to get that Stang come summer or fall at the latest. Holler

NOBU

I think this is kinda interesting...

Now if NOBU had come in here hating we all would have torn him apart with flames, etc. BUT because he calmly stated his case/opinion and politely asked our opinion we are all supportive and respectful in return.

NOOBS TAKE NOTE!!!!!!!!



Anyway, good choice NOBU I like the 2000-2004 mustangs, I think they are some of the better looking ones since the early seventies. AND they have good potential.

I totally agree with lotusonwater19..Get a bike..then you REALLY dont have to worry about kicking some ass.. the only prob is that no one will try to race you.. I'll be getting my F4I this spring..
Half the price of any shitstang and 10x faster.

your lucky ppl race my bike some times silly kids just cause it looks like a harly doesn't mean shes deep in the 11s

I support American families. I bought a Honda made primarily in Marysville Ohio. That Mustang you are considering is made mostly in Canada and Mexico.

I only point out this to you that the American car label doesn't necessarily mean that its produced here and vice-versa

I support American families. I bought a Honda made primarily in Marysville Ohio. That Mustang you are considering is made mostly in Canada and Mexico.

I only point out this to you that the American car label doesn't necessarily mean that its produced here and vice-versa

I like your point about that Mustang being made in Canada and Mexico. People bitch and gripe all the time about imports because... well, they're imported. Actually most of the Hondas,Acuras,etc. that Americans own are made... guess where... right here in the good 'ole USA(well at least they're put together over here). Domestic freaks ought to realize that their new "Domestics" are not "truely" Domestic anymore because their cars are the ones being imported from other countries... weird ain't it folks?

This arguement could also go into the fact that economist types bitch about imports because they believe that America is losing money to countries overseas because "they make the cars over there for cheap, and then ship them here to make the big money." Well guess what, the imports are the ones actually being made over here and the Domestics are the ones being made in other countries for cheaper, then sold here.

P.S. This post wasn't made to diss on all Domestics or anything of the sort, its just weird that HUGE companies like Ford(the fucking original manufacturer of American automobiles) are moving their factories to countries like Canada and Mexico just so they can make more money. Sounds like they care a lot about their "Domestic" heritage.

Heres how i view it:

There are no imports, there are no domestics, just cars. If someone has a love for a car, then how is he any different from the next guy? be it a 72 corvette or a 00 civic Si, you still have that passion for automobiles.

Also, Whether it takes 2 grand or 10 grand to run half way decent timeslips, in the end, where are you? Youre running that same timeslip as the other guy, so you both deserve respect. FWD, RWD, AWD, it doesnt matter.

If you want to take the mustang route, in my book, you have lost no respect. ITs all preference and you are free to express your opinion!

Very well said.

think this is kinda interesting...

Now if NOBU had come in here hating we all would have torn him apart with flames, etc. BUT because he calmly stated his case/opinion and politely asked our opinion we are all supportive and respectful in return.

NOOBS TAKE NOTE!!!!!!!!



Anyway, good choice NOBU I like the 2000-2004 mustangs, I think they are some of the better looking ones since the early seventies. AND they have good potential.

The 2000-2004 mustangs look ok but i like the way the new 2005's will look like. I also like the way the '67 GT500 shelby mustangs look like. :2cents:

The Diamond Star Triplets are pretty much made exclusively here in the US.

I disagree with everyone saying Import and Domestic lines are gone. It's not about where it's built so much as you see the philosophy behind each car. Although those lines also get vaguer and vaguer I think we all know they exist. So maybe the titles are outdated but the lines are still there.

But hey in the end drive what you like and enjoy it!

I disagree with everyone saying Import and Domestic lines are gone. It's not about where it's built so much as you see the philosophy behind each car. Although those lines also get vaguer and vaguer I think we all know they exist. So maybe the titles are outdated but the lines are still there.

But hey in the end drive what you like and enjoy it!

Hate to sound rude to ya man, but "philosophy my ass".

It was the big three, headed by your favorite, Ford, that started the anti-Japan, car-bashing propaganda in the late '80s, early '90s.

Ford is still continuing the propaganda today, with its F-150 ads that show its assembly-line rolling through heartland America.

Do you have ANY idea how many parts in that car was outsourced from foreign companies?

Why do you think Chevy abandoned its "Heartbeat of America" tact? At least Chevy's honest.

How about the fact that all the "import" pick-'em-ups sold currently are ALL assembled and built in America?

It's NOT "import" vs "domestic" anymore. It's "sporty muscle-car" vs "sporty-compact" nowadays, ya know?

I mean, what would you call a race between say, a Camaro and a Cavalier?

Touche. The cavaliers, SRT-10 neons, sunfires, escorts... American companies trying to get into the sporty coupe game.

The art of Muscle and Hot Rod is a dying form; Restoration is still a part of cars, but many newer cars are opting for turbochargers and superchargers accompanying a shrinking displacement.

yup respect for wut evr u drive
just because ur taste changed don't mean ur no longer an enthusiast
BTW the JDM accord sir with the H22 was built in Ohio
FYI
:)

Hate to sound rude to ya man, but "philosophy my ass".

It was the big three, headed by your favorite, Ford, that started the anti-Japan, car-bashing propaganda in the late '80s, early '90s.

Ford is still continuing the propaganda today, with its F-150 ads that show its assembly-line rolling through heartland America.

Do you have ANY idea how many parts in that car was outsourced from foreign companies?

Why do you think Chevy abandoned its "Heartbeat of America" tact? At least Chevy's honest.

How about the fact that all the "import" pick-'em-ups sold currently are ALL assembled and built in America?

It's NOT "import" vs "domestic" anymore. It's "sporty muscle-car" vs "sporty-compact" nowadays, ya know?

I mean, what would you call a race between say, a Camaro and a Cavalier?



First of all I could give a shit about Ford's negative campaign or Chevy dropping the Heartbeart slogan or any of that. What's that have to do with the price of rice in China? It's still philosphy for the most part and it is still a Japanese company with mostly Japanese engineers designing the car vs. the mostly american with american engineers no matter where it's built. I have said the titles are out dated but there is still something to them in some ways but not others.

And I also said those philosophy lines have gotten vaguer. I said this refering exactly to things like the NeonSRT, Focus SVT. This is Ford and Dodge trying to get a share of the market that mostly Honda has dominated but they still distinctively Dodge or Ford. And now the import companies are trying to make full-size trucks (Titan) to claim some of that market share but that Titan is easily noticable as a not American norm of the full-size truck.

A Camaro vs. a Cavalier is a Domestic vs. A Domestic trying to be a Civic

First of all I could give a shit about Ford's negative campaign or Chevy dropping the Heartbeart slogan or any of that. What's that have to do with the price of rice in China? It's still philosphy for the most part and it is still a Japanese company with mostly Japanese engineers designing the car vs. the mostly american with american engineers no matter where it's built. I have said the titles are out dated but there is still something to them in some ways but not others.

Man, are you daft?

You cling to your tired, old clichés like a baby to a blanket.

Here: http://www.nissanusa.com/insideNissan/NissanNorthAmerica/0,,,00.html#AS1353

Nissan Design America
Nissan Design America, (NDA) is a world-renowned design studio located in San Diego Calif., and is home to 60 of the fewer than 500 automotive designers in all of North America. In close coordination with engineers at the Nissan Technology Center North America (NTCNA) located in Farmington Hills, Mich., designers at NDA create vehicles specifically for the North America market. Nissan designers are responsible for the creation of the Altima, Maxima, Xterra and Frontier, as well as the 350Z. NDA has been recognized as one of the worlds foremost creative design facilities and has won several prestigious awards from around the globe. To keep their design skill sharp, NDA staff members often work on non-automotive products, which have ranged from a 150-foot yacht to preschool furniture to golf clubs.

Nissan Design America
9800 Campus Point Drive
San Diego, CA 92121
Phone: 858/457-4400
Fax: 858/450-3332


Did you know the 350Z was designed here, in the US? Surprising, huh?

How about the Mustang?

Here's a quote from Motor Trend:

"It's a unique opportunity to work on an all-new Mustang. For the first time in history, we're not coming off some higher-volume existing derivative, like a Falcon, Fairlane, or Pinto."

- Hau Thai-Tang, Chief Nameplate Engineer, Mustang

Hau Thai-Tang, although an American Citizen, is Vietnamese. Does that mean that your beloved Mustang is now under "Vietnamese philosophy"?

Let me tell you this: Cars couldn't give a crap less about "philosophy". All they care about is fuel, air, and combustion, and a way of turning all that into power to the ground.

The thing that you are confusing with "philosophy", I think, is GM's reluctance to let go of OHV motors. They have good cause, as they have perfected the art of getting good power out of such "ancient" technology, without sacrificing mileage and driveability.

"Your" Ford has gone out of that business. They have OHC motors now, JUST like all the Japanese manufacturer's V8 motors.

Let's say, I somehow swap say, a VK45DE (Nissan V8 from the Infiniti M45), into a 240SX...it's still all Nissan, right?

Now, how does that DOHC V8 in a RWD coupe differ from say, the "philosophy" of a Cobra coupe?

It's not like I changed "philosophies"...it's all from the same company right?

How about a big old Lexus Sedan with a V8...how different is that from the "philosophy" of the Cadillacs of yesteryear?

There are COMPANY philosophies...but that's them, and whatever motivational tools they use for their workers, of whatever race.

Bottomline, there is NO import/domestic "philosophy"...except for those who want to keep it that way...like Ford for example. So they can spout patriotic rhetoric about people buying their cars...even when most of their car's electronics is outsourced from Asia.

Watch out, your bias is showing...:uhoh:

The Diamond Star Triplets are pretty much made exclusively here in the US.


Diamond Star is right in Central Illinois... about 10-15 minutes from me. I would also like it to be known that they support the college that I attend with grants and whatnot. There is a good chance that when I get done with school a place like this will hire ME. So the support American jobs issue is kind of played. Also, near where I am actually from General Motors shut down one of their plants... this nearly wiped out a whole town because so many of the people who lived there worked at the plant.

As far as car choices go... to each their own. In my relatively short life I have been through GMC, Chevy, Pontiac, Mazda, Honda, and Toyota products. I don't see what the big deal is. I have to agree a fast car is a fast car no matter where it comes from. (please spare me the Honda's aren't fast cars line, ktnx)

additional note... not all of the cars I listed were fast... some were true beaters! lol

If thats what you want then do it, 99 and up like good. I wouldnt mind getting a nice SS or WS6 personally.

OT, we have sport compacts and american muscle... where do the V6 mustangs, Fire Birds and Camaros fit in?

well, WELL put carnut...have you considered being a lawyer?

the only thing that has been left untouched is the subject of "domestic" automakers designing cars to compete in the compact market...aka: the cavalier to compete with the civic, or the focus to compete with with the civic and so on. im not here to prove that domestics suck or whatever, but im saying from personal experience, these domestic compacts just dont compare to the quality, performance, etc of the "imports." right now (since my car has been at the body shop) ive been driving an 04 cavalier as a rental. It sucks. period. its one of the worst cars ive ever driven and i cant believe that someone would ever buy one over the quality of say, a civic. im sorry if thats offensive but at the current time, the big three just cannot find the right mix of components to legitamately compete with the other compact makers...

now as for the full size truck market...toyota's titan is a serious competitor. every major car magazine has rated it at or near the top of every full size truck test. once american buyers catch on to the fact that there really is no such thing as 'philosophy' or true 'import' or 'domestic' automobiles, then the truck market sales will even out also...by this i mean people will buy the titan, and eventually (when they put one into production) honda's truck.

this is a refreshing thread...constructive arguements...

I read in an article a month or so ago where an undisclosed Ford executive was caught saying that Ford had no idea how the import tuner market (Civic, accord, Prelude, Celica, etc) created cars of that quality at the price that they do. And that they now can do it on US soil was an absolute slap in the face. He admitted they were no where near the Honda's and Toyota's, but that Ford wouldn't go down without a fight.

Wasn't there a period in the 60's, 70's or 80's where Ford really made a quality vehicle? They were expensive, completely made in the US and supposedly a good vehicle... I don't know I wasn't driving in those times so this is just word of mouth. If this is the case when and why did it go from "quality ford, cheap import" to "quality import, cheap ford"?

If the companies are foreign, it seems to me that most of their money will end up over seas. Built here or not. If the Company is American, it will probably end up here. Logic dictates that. I do wish all cars could be made here, but oh well. Very good conversation though. NOBU

LoL Carnutt don't get testy my friend all is good in the hood of AF. First who works at NDA? Just cause the building is on American soil means nothing and also big daddy Nissan in Japan still has control.

Next Nameplate Engineer.... do you know what that job actually is in charge of..... haha.The real people who make and create the new Mustang and future Mustangs are the guys on TEAM MUSTANG. Go look up the guys on team Mustang the real people behind the new Mustang.


Also american citizen but Vietnamese... come on man that is like saying cause all my grandparents are German I have a BMW/Porsche approach to building cars. We are more a product of our enviroment than genetics.

90's Ford and GM had to consider new EPA standards for next years and future. GM's solution to gas mileage and EPA requirements 6-speeds and skip shift which is only a temporary solution GM admitted when doing it1 another reason the F-bodies died. Sales weren't enough to invest in a new solution. If you say what about Vettes they don't have to play by same rules as Mustangs and Camaros. Ford's solution was long term... mod motor OHC V8's which they were already makin. And look Ford keeps adding to thier long term solution for the next generation Stang. They didn't go to small light TT 6-cylinders and call it a Mustang did they? That would be a philosophy change.

As for the VK45DE into a 240SX.... they don't do that..... Why not? Cause it's not in there philosphy of what makes a sports car or whatver you want to label it. And if Nissan did do that... then yes they would have changed thier philosophy! But they don't do they?

The differences of the companies and thier car building philospohy still exist to this day. Though not as much of a big line as before. I have never spouted Patriotic rhetoric about being American made so it's better and don't support Japanese companies. I could care less about that shit. Maybe you have had to hear people say this stuff to you and that is why you want so vehemently to convince me there is no line of difference but that line is still there.

GTStang, I love the sig. I think it's f-ing crazy, but still funny. Well, I agree that if the company is foreign, then the money will more than likely end up there. And vise versa. Imports may be built in America, but many things happen before a car goes to production, and most of them are jobs within the main corporate structure, which is usually Japanese. Again, I've got nothing against the Japanese. One co-worker said"Remember Pearl Harbor?" Yes, asshole, I do. Remember slavery? Should that be held against you? No. Most people in Japan can't be held responsible for that shit. It's like asking for reparations. Not going to happen. I just think that we have too many hard working individuals that can get a piece of the pie if we just stand by our folks.That's all. Oh yeah, never mind the fact that a Stang will eat most Hondas asses, with nary a leftover. Holler

NOBU

Okay...

What are the plant-workers for Honda, Toyota, and Nissan getting paid in in Ohio, Tennesee, Alabama, Illinois, not to mention the various design studios each company employs in the US...what are they getting paid in? Sea-shells?

Do you know how many billions all those salaries add up to?

Maybe you're referring to profits?

So what's Dodge's "philosophy" now? Considering their "money" goes to Germany?

You didn't answer my analogy about Cadillac VS Lexus. Tell me where the "philosophy" differs there?

Like I said..."Philosophy my ass". They are very large corporations, and no amount of "philosophy" will stop them from making cars that make money for them.

For every "image car" a company has...there is a "profit car" that makes the real money for the company.

Let's take Ford for example...

For every cent of profit they make on a Mustang GT and above (Bullitt, Mach1, Cobra), they make probably 10 cents of equivalent profit on their Escorts, Contours, and Focus. This is just with cars. More on trucks later...

Anyhow, tell me...where the "philosophy" difference there is? I mean, from an aesthetic viewpoint, the Focus and the new Civics are starting to look like virtual clones.

Okay. Let's look at trucks. Probably the best example of "philosophy" or lack thereof in the modern automotive world.

Do you think Nissan will have its Titan, or that Honda will look into building its first-ever line of pick-up trucks if it really had a "philosophy"?

As a matter of fact, their new truck tack is more American than I can think of. It's called "go where the profit lies".

Like I said, don't caught-up in the propaganda man.

BTW, what "philosophy" do you think I'll be buying into if I went and bought an Aussie Ford Falcon XRT-6, with a TT inline-6?

Or what about a 1.3-liter Ford Ka?

Lastly, I wonder how how Ford and Chevy are paying their employees in their various plants in Europe, Asia, Australia, and even Africa?

Ford, Chevy and Dodge has been able to look beyond the borders of this country for a long time now. They see the whole world as one big, giant profit, waiting to happen.

Of course, they won't tell you that. They'll tell you how patriotic they are, and how American they are. About their "philosophies".

Maybe you should read this: http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/UnmadeJun02.htm

I am warning you, that is a VERY long article, though it might help you open your mind.

now as for the full size truck market...toyota's titan is a serious competitor.
that would be the NISSAN titan
you're thinking of the tundra

I'm not sure I follow. What exactly was the point of switching from Honda to Ford?
I'd also like to say that FWD isn't really that bad, RWD is harder to "button down" and FWD offers an advantage over RWD around corners, if you know how to use it.
My father owned several Ford Mustangs, they're really not that bad at all(so far as fit & finnish goes), except they're incredibly UGLY(Maybe even uglier than my subaru or renault!) and totally useless in snow & rain.
I didn't like them at all. You also mention that Hondas are apparently "too common, and mostly with young kids" well Mustangs, are too common, among those experiencing a mid life crisis, or entranced with nostalgia for former American made automobiles. Not that anything's wrong with that.

that would be the NISSAN titan
you're thinking of the tundra
sorry about that, i meant nissan...i wasnt thinking about the tundra i just had a brain lapse.

my philosophy is to drive a honda. its the best car that i can buy right now, and i will continue to drive one until i find reason to do differently...or until i start pulling down a few more bones...

Of course, they won't tell you that. They'll tell you how patriotic they are, and how American they are. About their "philosophies".

Maybe you should read this: http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/UnmadeJun02.htm

I am warning you, that is a VERY long article, though it might help you open your mind.

Carnuut man I read that article and none of it was news to me or something enlightening. I have written more in depth and technical papers on Globilization. If your still linking this patriot blindness is linked to my view that they have different philosophies in car building. Maybe that is why you wanted me to read this.... All companies are dictated by the bottom line wether it's Japanese,German,American... I think your want me to agree to this and I do totally. But think about this.... universely all companies are ruled by the $$$. But even though Casio and Rolex both make watches do you think Rolex is gonna start makin digital watches selling them at $20-$40 dollars? Of course they aren't when to companies sell similiar products they are going to have different philosphies on what will sell more. There you go that's why it is there and still exists.

That guy is right a fast car is a fast car and thats all that matters. i hope the mustang gives you more of what you are looking for
Derek

I've been looking for a nice LS1 Z28, preferrably a '95. The Honda shit is getting so boring and I'm tired of pouring all my money into a car that is now only capable of 14's. For $5k - $7k I could be running that or faster, and plenty of money left over to get into 12's. Headers/exhaust on a V8 = 25-40hp, header/exhaust on a 4 banger = 7-10hp.. do the math.

NOBU, you're making a good choice.

95 would be LT-1 and there so so motors imo LS1 is the real monster. But i really love both so i can't say whats better. sure you can get more outta a big motor but isn't tweaking the living hell outta a tiny lil tourqe less motor so much that it runs with a vette just as sweet? I dunno man its up to you

this whole thing could be argued until everyone is blue in the face and ready to go on shooting rampages... it all comes down to buy what you want... no matter import or domestic, 4 cyl, 8 cyl... whatever. its up to YOU

2stroke bloke, you're fucking crazy. If fwd is better in the corners, then why do all the worlds best handling cars have rwd or awd? EVO, S2k, NSX, Vette, M3, the list goes on. Shall I mention RX7, or maybe a 911? Point is, FWD sucks. It's for economy, not performance. By buttoning down, I mean take corners with greater ease and control. No, you can't do it easier with FWD.

A Mustang is faster stock than a Civic is with 3-5k dumped into it. Only exception is for DIY'ers. Other than that, forget it. 14 is good for a civ, it's what my Nana can do in a Stang. And, they do fine in the rain. Not snow, but I get less than 2 weeks of snow a YEAR! Sure, I understand the mid-life thing, but that's more with Vettes than Stangs. I don't like the young crowd thing because cops pay more attn. to them. Not because I don't like young folks. Shit, I'm only 25.

Oh yeah, you think it's ugly? When has a Limey ever known beauty? Shit half your women look like they chew on rocks for a living. The other half look like they've been playing tag with the ugly stick again. Never mind the fact you have "Le Car" in your sig. Should perhaps say "Le Gay." Talk about ugly. Sheesh. (Just kidding. I don't hate Brits, they aren't all ugly, they don't all have bad teeth, and I didn't mean a personal attack on you, just looking for a laugh.) Okay, maybe the teeth thing is true. ;)

NOBU

I'm not sure any of your post made sense.
People say RWD handles better, but having owned both RWD and FWD, I'd say for sure that FWD is better, if you know how to use it. It goes around corners without any fuss. And kicks ass on any loose, or wet surface.
I'll only say that RWD is better, when the engine is also in the rear (though it's even trickier then, but it's the "rightest" way to build an automobile)
Also, when the hell did I become british??? :)
Okay, so I spent four days of my life in London - but I don't think that makes me british!

95 would be LT-1
whoops, that's what I meant. 93-97 = LT-1. As you can see I've been driving Hondas since I was 17..

mmmm...costs....

junky crx: $500 bucks
(usdm) b18b engine&trans: $800-1000
hasport mounts&harness: $700
15 inch steelies w/ 205 nitto drags: $600
"custom" hand welded 2.5 inch exaust: $300 w/ muffler
75 shot nitrous: $700
half way decent clutch: $300

13 second honda-grand total about $4000

Of course this falls into the DIY category

I've been looking for a nice LS1 Z28, preferrably a '95. The Honda shit is getting so boring and I'm tired of pouring all my money into a car that is now only capable of 14's. For $5k - $7k I could be running that or faster, and plenty of money left over to get into 12's. Headers/exhaust on a V8 = 25-40hp, header/exhaust on a 4 banger = 7-10hp.. do the math.

NOBU, you're making a good choice.

:disappoin

its a sad day when ricochet considers the darkside...

Oh yeah, you think it's ugly? When has a Limey ever known beauty? Shit half your women look like they chew on rocks for a living. The other half look like they've been playing tag with the ugly stick again. Never mind the fact you have "Le Car" in your sig. Should perhaps say "Le Gay." Talk about ugly. Sheesh. (Just kidding. I don't hate Brits, they aren't all ugly, they don't all have bad teeth, and I didn't mean a personal attack on you, just looking for a laugh.) Okay, maybe the teeth thing is true. ;)

NOBU

That was totally uncalled for. Even if you were joking what was the point of making a racist comment like that? :disappoin

That was totally uncalled for. Even if you were joking what was the point of making a racist comment like that? :disappoin


Here come the PC shock troops!!!! Did you goto Port Chester University?

That was totally uncalled for. Even if you were joking what was the point of making a racist comment like that? :disappoin

Awww shit. Someone's got sand in their vagina. Sorry. Didn't mean to chap that cute little pansie ass. Since when was British a race anyways? 2nd off, twostroke just said he wasn't even a Brit. No one likes the Brits anyways. They're almost as bad as the French. Okay, not even close, but they still talk funny. Fucking noobs. Take a break man. Don't take this shit too seriously. We're only on this planet for a hot minute, let's try and have a laugh while we're here.

2stroke, I really was kidding. I just thought with all of those gay cars in your sig and in your life in general, you must be a Brit. No self respecting red blooded American would drive or own such a thing.(Okay, I was kiddin again, but I'll stop now.)

I really like the look of the current Stangs. The 05 is going to be hotter, but much more expensive too. Not sticker wise, but the rebates should be huge on the 04s. Don't know man. I mean, I guess I just got the fever now. I REALLY want one. Thanks for all the feedback. Holler

NOBU

NOBU: It's as simple as this...you're following the power.
Right now, Honda just doesn't have the power to satisfy what you are looking for. Simple.


GTStang: If you want to refer to individual companies' philosophies and styles of creating cars, then fine...because there is such a thing as individual companies' "philosophies".

But, if you want to refer again to your "import philosophy" vs "domestic philosophy" you started with, that is all a load of crap.

Companies will sell what they feel makes them money, in whatever market they are in. This is why Ford has different line-up of cars respectively, in Australia, Japan, Europe, and here in the U.S.

Companies will also build what they are comfortable in building, with what their resources will allow.

If Honda went out spent the R&D and production cash to build a RWD, V8 sedan next week, do you think they'll make a profit? Well, they might...but I am sure they wouldn't expect to, as the market is just not looking for them to build such a car.

Basic economics. The companies don't determine the market with what they make. The market determines what the companies make with what they buy from each company...or at least what the bean-counter expect people to buy from them.

I am just trying to shy you away from the propaganda, man, and see cars for what they are...cars. Not some patriotic tool of conscience or some other crap that Ford would have you believe it is.

Just because I lust after a Ferrari doesn't mean I'd rather support Italians rather than Americans, you know?

It is us, the enthusiasts, that put the hearts in the cars, not the manufacturers.

NOBU: Before I forget, you need to quit with the asshole talk.


Characterizing people the way you are, and calling other people's cars gay? Just because you decided you're a Ford guy now?

One more outburst like that, I'm giving you a week-off from AF. Dig?

Nobu, i've been reading these boards for a couple of years now, on and off. I have seen many guys leave because of unneccessary hostility on these boards. I made a mature comment and without any sort of profanity, yet you still reply with ignorant and stereotypical comment about Britain that has nothing to do with your original topic. I do think some noobs post without thought but i replied to you in a mature manner because i thought you were out of order. Its unfriendly ignorant comments from people like you that otherwise spoil a great board with really helpful members.

Nobu, i've been reading these boards for a couple of years now, on and off. I have seen many guys leave because of unneccessary hostility on these boards. I made a mature comment and without any sort of profanity, yet you still reply with ignorant and stereotypical comment about Britain that has nothing to do with your original topic. I do think some noobs post without thought but i replied to you in a mature manner because i thought you were out of order. Its unfriendly ignorant comments from people like you that otherwise spoil a great board with really helpful members.



Let it go......

just refering back to the british comments....Im bout 3/4's brit...my teeth arent that funky nor am i that ugly (me thinks? hah ha hhah who gives anyways).....im suprised you didnt make an attack on our ears and noses!

2stroke, I really was kidding. I just thought with all of those gay cars in your sig and in your life in general, you must be a Brit. No self respecting red blooded American would drive or own such a thing.(Okay, I was kiddin again, but I'll stop now.)

Yeah? Well no self respecting American, would be, a shit talking, closet case wanker, like yourself. I hope you die alone, and that nobody cares enough to burry your rotting corpse, you stupid, semi-thrigmotropic, lobotomized, herpe hoarding, hemorrhoid pinching, jerk-ass. just kidding, I hope you thought it was as entertaingin as I did. :biggrin:

But seriously, I like London, it was cool place (nobody like you was there! - just kidding) Besides, what did the british ever do to you? Oh well we're off topic now anyway, so while I'm at it I'll also say that you should stop being so hostile and insulting for no reasone at all. People don't like it when people act like jerks for no reason.

There's nothing wrong with the Brits... I agree. Its the french that need to be nuked, them and their stupid crap they brought over here. Anyways, Ricochet, the 95s come with Lt1s, but I feel you man... 2000 Z28 or WS6 would be soooo nice.....

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made it myself :)

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made it myself :)

lol... you have to admit, it makes things more interesting. :icon16:

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made it myself :)
Your my hero