Racing a Mach 1

Hey guys. I posted this thread in the mustang forum and now i want to see what you guys have to say. I have two friends that are brothers one drives a 35th anniversary z28 and the other a Mach 1. I beat the Z by about 2 and car lengths. Now the other guy in the Mach 1 wants to race me and he wants to put money on it. What do u think? I don't wanna embarras myself. Yall think i can beat him? He has no mods just bought it. I have an 80 series flowmaster and hypertech programmer with 160 degree stat. THey say in the Mustang forum that i might lose. does any one know if the Mach 1's are fast or not?

dont know boss, i have heard that the mach 1's have some guts to em, but dont have any firsthand experience. depends on how much money he wants to place. like 50 bucks for fun, no biggie, but if hes wanting like a 500 dollar run, tell him to fuck off. cuz theres something else going on there. what mods if any have been done to your Z.

Theres no way we can tell ya without knowing exactly what he has and what you have.

id say run im, im the kindof guy who never turns down a challenge (unless its rediculously pointless). even if i get my butt handed to me, its still fun no matter what.

well from what i've heard the mach 1 is overrated like you wouldn't beleive so i think it'd be a good bet to take him on.

the mods are listed in the thread

Damn it when will you people stop asking us and find out for yourself. What are you afraid of? If it's too much money on the line then just say no and ask to race for fun.

I honestly think you'll win, Stangs are slow, except if there all hopped up or have SVT Cobra written on it. (HOPPED UP)

I have a Dodge, and no it's not a stealth or a viper, and I beat a 94 5.0, each stock. :loser:

id say run im, im the kindof guy who never turns down a challenge (unless its rediculously pointless). even if i get my butt handed to me, its still fun no matter what.

i'm just like that myself, anyhow you should win, is your z a 01? if so you have 10 more hp and 40more lbs of tq then him and both cars weigh the same plus you have mods, don't get shook up, go make the asphalt cry and blow his doors off

I hope you are joking man. That LS1 should wipe the floor with him. They are rated at about 305hp I believe. Who knows, maybe that is low, maybe that is high, but I know your car is underrated. Not to mention the torque difference. If he is bone stock like you say, I'd put $50 on it...

the new mach ones are as slow as the factory mustangs they are the same thing but dressed up

have you looked at a ford lately?

yeah i saw one in my rearview mirror the other day...

have you looked at a ford lately?

yeah i saw one in my rearview mirror the other day...


DOH!!!! :rofl: :lol: :sunglasse

Man, your guys ignorance and trash talking baffles me to no end??

Over on the Mustang side, you rarely hear us trashing Chevy's, and when this thread was posted, there wasn't one comment that I can recall about how Chevy's sucked. In all honesty this will more then likely be a drivers race.

the new mach ones are as slow as the factory mustangs they are the same thing but dressed up
Well, this is a totally false statement. The new Mach 1 has a totally different motor (DOHC opposed to a SOHC for starters), different gearing and other such things then a plain old GT.

well from what i've heard the mach 1 is overrated like you wouldn't beleive so i think it'd be a good bet to take him on.
This statement also has no merit! The Mach, if anything is under rated. For those of you who haven't ever been experienced in dealing with a Mach really have no place in bench racing this topic. The Mach can easily run very low 13's bone stock with a good driver. And a 12 sec time slip is not far off with slicks and a decent launch. This car is very impressive to see and be with in its presence.

I honestly think you'll win, Stangs are slow, except if there all hopped up or have SVT Cobra written on it. (HOPPED UP)

I have a Dodge, and no it's not a stealth or a viper, and I beat a 94 5.0, each stock.
So now your comparing a 94/95 5.0 to the current GT's and Mach's?? The 94/95's sucked and were total dog's stock! I'm not much of a fan of then as you can tell, and I'm not surprised you beat one with a Shelby Daytona. But to categorize all Mustangs as being slow is pretty stupid!

Sorry to sound like I'm going off on you guys, but most of you (not all cause there's still very knowledgeable members here) really seem to be uneducated and obviously biased.

Man we should not even be having this debaute...... Come on guys the Camaro Mustang Rivlery is dead. Stop all this crap and go smoke some rice. :icon16:

But serouisly all of you should be giving respect to each other. The LS1 is a killer engine extremely efficient makes alot of power. Also it responds well to mods. The camaro is a nice performance car. Handles well and just has an all around sporty feel to it.

The GT compared to a Z has a bit of catching up to do but man, Look at the price tag! Thats alot of car for the money. Plus The DOHC 4.6 n/a and the supercharged one. Amazing perfomers. I think the NA is like 320 HP or something like that. I'm not too sure on my numbers but it is somewhere in that range. We all know the performance of the Cobra engine. Who cares if it is supercharged, it performs.


I honestly think you'll win, Stangs are slow, except if there all hopped up or have SVT Cobra written on it. (HOPPED UP)

I can go to a ford dealship and buy one right off the ford showroom floor with a factory warenty. That is not hopped up. Maybe GM should have supercharged there LS1. Ford was smart enough to do it. Also don't tell me that if GM had supercharged th LS1 that you would not eat it up or be like "Oh well it's not a n/a engine I don't think it is worth the respect."

We are all here to go fast with American Muscle. Lets not get into a pissing contest. Joking around is cool but just plain bashing is not.

Also.. sorry if I pissed anyone off about going off on the whole supercharging thing. It just really urks me when people bash a force fed car for doing what they do best. Going fast.

I actually just got back from Richmond Ford. They had a few 03 Cobras in stock. 2 black hard tops, (both for 28K give or take with about 4K miles on each) and a brand new Mistichrome Convertable for 42K. They also had a Roush Stage 3 Mustang for $58,000 and a stage 1 for 38k. All very nice cars, a bit expensive (not saying their over priced, just too much for me) and i have to admit, ford is really so much more better then GM rightnow. Sorry, but look at the disasters GM has made latley. Aveo, Colorado (a 5cyl. Questionable..) the ugly SSR, and the Aztec, stopping pro. of f-bodys...
BTW the Mach 1's are pretty bad ass. A "retro" car i actually like!

hey hey now, dont diss the colorado so fast, its actually a pretty nice truck. the five cylender is a bit odd, its the inline six from the trailblazer with a cylender cut off :) but the fit and finish, design, and overall build of the truck are excelent. the SSR is my baby, as for the rest, i really have no defence lol.

ive been wantin someone to put an inline five in a car for awhile. i personally think thats a good medium, a lot more power than an I4 and more fuel efficient than a 6 or 8...

and i find it hard to believe that there arent any ford guys on the other side trash talkin about chevys and the camaro. that battle has been fought since the camaro was created, thats why it was made...

The Mach can easily run very low 13's bone stock with a good driver. And a 12 sec time slip is not far off with slicks and a decent launch.

Speaking of bench racing... :)

I'd have to see that to believe it. Many LS1's are dynoing at or above 300rwhp. That translates to about 340-350bhp... Now that is an underrated car. However, they usually run very low, to even mid 13's. I fail to see how a stock 305hp rated car, even if it is underrated, running very low 13's and 12's on sticky tires...


I think hypsi said it best though. It should be about time that we american car folks realize that our biggest battle should not be with each other, but against econobox ricemobiles and the folks that are brainwashing todays youth with visions of being fast and furious and seeing blurred street lights on 600hp shots of NAWWZ...

I guess what I'm trying to say is, let's all put away our vagina's and quit the bitching... Let's join together and represent America, not just the brand name on our rides...

WOW...so well spoken. BUT, however I believe that if you join together let the econo-boxes chill. Your beef should be with the Monsters...RX-7's and Supra's, NSX's (which IMO is sooo overrated. I love em, but 90 G's for 13 seconds...I don't think so.) I would love to see a battle like that rise amongst the streets. :evillol: But it's so hard to see war waged, since I look very highly on both sides of the sea. :2cents: :2cents:

Dont wanna stir up trouble with anyone but there is a guy around town here that has a Mach 1 and he thought he was all hot shit and wanted to race my friends 2000 Formula...well I wont get into the details but long story short the Mach 1 got Stomped!!! Hard...My buddy doesnt have any major mods done either...so I dunno..thats just our experience here....of course it could of been the driver too....i dunno.

I think it would be a tighter race than most people seem to think. I highly doubt it would be embarrasing for either car (unless one driver screws up royally).

The Mach1's are wicked cars - some people don't seem to realise they're running the Cobra engine (minus the blower of course). My buddy runs flat 13's @ 109Mph with nothing more than a catback and gears on his '99 Cobra convertible.

Street racing is a much different game than racing at the drag strip. One car may be able to achieve high 12's at the strip but have trouble getting under 14's on the street, whereas the other car could be a low 13sec track car but pull off consistent high 13's on the street.

The biggest advantage you could get Z28BOY (I'm not saying you'd need it or anything) would be to scope out the street where you're planning to race - ckeck out what the grip is like. In most friendly street drags both guys will really light the tires up off the line, then see who hooks up first and more or less goes on to win. If there's money riding on it or you're determined to shame some dude, getting a feel for the patch of road beforehand can make all the difference. If you know half-stabbing the gas then WOT will get you going the fastest you'll be laughing when the other dude is still spinning away. Or if its one of those really black(newer) patches of asphalt where you know you can dump the clutch at like 1800 RPM with just an "ERRRR" and take off, then the race is yours if the other dude does a conservative launch.

I'd also play around with your tire PSI if you decide to go out and test some roads.

I'd also play around with your tire PSI if you decide to go out and test some roads.


Lower the driver side tire 3 PSI lower than the passenger side. The car will hook better. It's like having an airbag on the suspension. We did it on my budddys 02 camaro and it dropped him from a 13.5 to a 13.2 consistantly.

Give it a try.


Andy

and i find it hard to believe that there arent any ford guys on the other side trash talkin about chevys and the camaro. that battle has been fought since the camaro was created, thats why it was made...

Go over to the Forum and look at the thread nowhere did anyone say Camaros suck ass. Every1 said it was a driver's race and left it at that. You guys seem like the one's who need to through the shots for no good reason....

that would be a battle import muscle vs american muscle
supra's vs ss skyline vs cobra r
rx-7 vs z28 nsx vs c5 vette

i'd love to start seeing that instead of muscle vs muscle. in a friendly kind of way :iceslolan

I am also having a hard time beleiving that the Mach 1 can run 12's. I read an article on the 03 Cobra and it ran a 12.73 and it is super charged. That was in a Fast Ford and Muscle Mustang magazine. Any way for any one who cares to know I am racing the Mach 1 tomorrow night for 100 bucks. The Mach1 is a manual that will be driven not by the owner but by a guy who is an awesome racer. He can race standard really good. He drives a Cobra. He is one of the better shifters in my town. Well I will tell yall what happens tomorrow. Peace!

ive been wantin someone to put an inline five in a car for awhile. i personally think thats a good medium, a lot more power than an I4 and more fuel efficient than a 6 or 8...
Um...volvo..

Speaking of bench racing... :)
Maybe bench racing, and I don't have anything against it. I just have the knowledge and info to back up my bench racing statements. Not to mention I do spend a lot of time at the track to see all the possibilities and capabilities of many different cars.

i was refering to general motors, but i actually didnt know that volvo had done it. i think its a cool idea...

I am also having a hard time beleiving that the Mach 1 can run 12's. I read an article on the 03 Cobra and it ran a 12.73 and it is super charged. That was in a Fast Ford and Muscle Mustang magazine. Any way for any one who cares to know I am racing the Mach 1 tomorrow night for 100 bucks. The Mach1 is a manual that will be driven not by the owner but by a guy who is an awesome racer. He can race standard really good. He drives a Cobra. He is one of the better shifters in my town. Well I will tell yall what happens tomorrow. Peace!


I have personally seen a mach 1 run a 13.3 with exhaust mods. It is possible. They make horsepower to.

As far as your race is concerned.

I get to race the winner :evillol: :evillol:

P.S. Highflow5.0 does not bench race.

I ment a completely stock Mach 1. And any way I don't stand a chance against you. I have personaly seen a grand national u know one of those black ones run low 12's. It was freakin fast. It beat the shit out of a 35th anniversary Z28.

yea, there's this local racing team here and they only allow vettes, f-bodys, and mustangs, and you hafta show a timeslip of under 14. So there's a chevy-ford teamup for ya there.

I raced one at the track two weeks ago.... I lost. I'm pretty sure he was stock. I should have slaughtered him but I couldn't hook. Those cars hook up better than F-bodys and have better gearing. To answer your question the Machs seem to be running/trapping what stock A4 LS1s run.

Here's the timeslip from my loss (I spun really badly). I should have

_______me_____Mach 1
60'____2.525_____2.255
330____6.458____6.002
1/8____9.526____9.033
MPH___82.150___81.420
1000___12.100___11.640
1/4____14.285___13.838
MPH___103.00___102.77

His time/trap is really close to my best stock time/trap.

Does anybody else think its hurting that this Mach1 dude is getting someone else to race his car??? :disappoin Its like who are you going to pay if you lose the race Z28Boy? I think thats totally lame on the Mach1 owners part - I hope you smoke that car. And if you don't, I wouldn't put a single dollar into that lamer's hand - I'd shake the driver's hand and give him the $100 (even though the dude will obviously give it/some to the owner - but its the principle man!!!).

As far as the Mustang vs. Camaro rivalry, I can say that besides the usual noob-jerk we all hate there's not guys going around bashing F Cars in the Mustang forum. There's some good dudes in there and I like checking it out quite often. The pony car rivalry is still very much alive, but if anything I think there's more respect between us than the imports - at least thats how I feel. I could just as easily be driving a Mustang instead of a Camaro (well, if my style had never come out :smile: ), and as far as new cars go I would buy a Cobra or Mach1 before ever considering a 350Z or STi or whatever. I don't even care to race imports, in the sense that I never head out searching for them. Not that I'm afraid to lose I just don't get pumped about the confrontation. Its like win or lose against a fast Civic, I won't help but feel a bit silly - cause I just raced a Civic! Thats gas that should have been saved for a Vette or Stang shithead!!! :banghead: (I just hope no Viper's saw me do that)

Its like if the Columbus Blue Jackets hockey club comes to town I wouldn't pay any price to see the Leafs play them regardless if they're good or bad - cause the team has no history against us and I don't even know which friggin Columbus the're from! Bring the Habs or Wings to town and you'll have trouble finding space at a bar to watch the game. Speaking of the Buds, its game time! Get the brews ready, who're we playing 2nite!!!......


:eek: The Blue Jackets? fuck

TO DVZ lt1,
I don't plan on loosing bro but I see what u mean. Any way the race won't take place tonight cause it started snowing but it will be gone by tomorrow anyway. Its on like donkey kong tomorrow fo sho.

your racing, on snowed streets??? still wet, sandy, and gritty, wow man, not exactly my preferred conditions, but hey, have fun, dont no body get killed.

NO the snow is not that bad the streets are clean now but we are just going to let them have the night to dry in case it snows some more.

you drive that poor car on salty roads, BLASPHEMY!!!

I WANNA RACE!!!!:crying::crying::crying::crying: I need 100 bucks for books next semester. :smokin:

I don't even care to race imports, in the sense that I never head out searching for them. Not that I'm afraid to lose I just don't get pumped about the confrontation.

so you wouldn''t race an sti or evo-8 or supra or skyline but you would race a vette or mustang. why? there all fast as hell. there all in the same speed zone. doesn't make since to me :dunno:

Salt is what makes racing impossible and very dangerous up here in the northeast. Once the first salt trucks hit the street the season is over - the roads turn white and retain a slippery layer (almost like chalk) until the first good rainstorm of spring.

But I doubt you guys even have salt trucks in Texas. I'm going to live vicariously through you until then Z28Boy. Go show that clown bystander what the Camaro is all about!

I'll race anybody who wants too, be they fast, slow, or just retarded. My racing club has all sorts of cars from a Integra GSR to a WRX to a 3rd Gen Camaro, as long as you're fast enough... It does suck racing in places where it snows alot, but where I am the roads usually get cleared pretty well. And since it is the title of this thread, a stock Mach 1 has 305 HP and 320 lb/ft of torque. It would be an awsome race. I like to race my friend's 383 stroker '94 Camaro and usually get worked, esp. since now he has a 150 shot of nitrous.

so you wouldn''t race an sti or evo-8 or supra or skyline but you would race a vette or mustang. why? there all fast as hell. there all in the same speed zone. doesn't make since to me :dunno:

I didn't say I wouldn't race imports or that I avoid them. I just don't go out looking for them. Its just not what pumps me up. I can pull up to any aged guy in any muscle-pony car, exchange a genuine smile, and start shootin the shit with the guy for like 2-3 stoplights. Then race! If nothing else I got to hear the other dude open up that wonderful sounding V8 - or beautifully cammed up & turbo-intercooled GM V6! :p

You fellas that drive Hondas, Acura's, Subaru's have your own thing too (I should hope). You each drive cars of similar size, weight, class - you're all interested in similar things and you've got your own culture. Don't think I'm crying foul or anything - to me there's just something wrong with the imagery of a big hulking Camaro squaring off against an RSX or Celica.

As far as the Supra goes, that RWD T.T. V6 is a street legend that had a great rivalry with the Corvette, and I'd be honoured to race one. The only Mitsubishi's here in Canada are the gutless Lancer's cause the EVO is not street legal (failed some standard), and I've raced dozens of WRX's to the point I'm getting sick of these punks cornering me at a light thinking its time for the changing of the guard. I am however eager to race an STi - just to see what that true race bread car is all about. But after that, it'll be back to my usual game.

NO the snow is not that bad the streets are clean now but we are just going to let them have the night to dry in case it snows some more.

ya ever heard of black ice?

ok i'm looking at EVERYTHING i got on mach 1's and from my deduction, ide say you can beat that mach 1 easily or it may put up a good fight but the ls1 would win. (unless he has secret mods) i could be wrong i might now see somethign (just did a yahoo search) but i definately would say the ls1 would beat the mach 1.

to chevyracincamaro:
dude I am telling u its ok. It is that kind of snow that blows away like dust. it doesn't stick to the ground the roads are clean and for the most part dry. the delay is only a precautionary measure. I am dumb not stupid. My car is never snow driven ever. Yes I know what black ice is.

To Genopsyde
When I am not at college It sits in the garage under the car cover locked even the garage is locked. Thats my baby. I have had it for about 2 years and I have only put 7000 miles on it. Thats only cause I drive home from college every now and then.

Hey hipsi I told you that I don't stand a chance against you. Bro I have seen cars like yours kick some major ls1 ass. That is a car that I wouldn't mess with.

But you sig says "Any time Baby"

I'm just playing with ya. I just wanna race pieroid. It needs to be summer time. I'm startin to get the itch :sly:

Hey guys the race has been delayed again. We got about 3 inches of snow on the ground.

Hey hipsi man I why are u never available on your aol instant messenger?

Danm man just race the danm thing I'm eager to hear about the race.:naughty::evillol:

Yeah, me too. It would be alot cooler if you got it on a camcorder.

your crazy if you dont think the ls1 can beat the mach 1 it only runs a 13.8 it weighs near 3200 lbs not exactly but close , the horspower im not sure of but i raced one down at the track an i have an LT1 stock tranny and engine, new 3.73 gear posi , new tires, thermostat chip, and 100 octane gas, and i ran a 13.7, my car is an auto and his was a stick so kinda sad really that i won, my cars a 93' z28, but i raced an 01' LS1 to and lost to him by a car and a half so if you cant beat him his cars not stock , so my guess is take the bet and win some free money, unless you dont trust him

your crazy if you dont think the ls1 can beat the mach 1 it only runs a 13.8 it weighs near 3200 lbs not exactly but close , the horspower im not sure of but i raced one down at the track an i have an LT1 stock tranny and engine, new 3.73 gear posi , new tires, thermostat chip, and 100 octane gas, and i ran a 13.7, my car is an auto and his was a stick so kinda sad really that i won, my cars a 93' z28, but i raced an 01' LS1 to and lost to him by a car and a half so if you cant beat him his cars not stock , so my guess is take the bet and win some free money, unless you dont trust him


Thanks....since we already established this.... :lol: Im just playin. I do have a question though.. Why are you running 100 octane. you engine being stock will run fine on 93. Unless your running some sort of crazy ammounts of timing. Not trying to be an ass just crouious?

I agree with the rivalry thing.. Its all hyped up. GM and Ford make cars about the same now. It would be a real close race i bet. All you can do is race it and see..

yeah im getting curious too.

lol sucks about the snow though. i feel spring and summer coming, im trying to get my baby done and ready to go and show by the time my friends come back from college. i have alot of work to do.

i would use 93 to save a hell of alot more money for one, but there isnt a gas station for at least 45 miles with 93, and there is no way im driving that far just for gas but there is one with 92 and 100 octane with in a 4 mile radious i usually use 92 and then get some octane booster crap, just to make if closer to 93 b/c i need 93 for my chip i have, but then i use the 100 for the track seems to run smoother to me..


but really my car is slow compared to my dads, he's got a rare 392 hemi bored 460 ci. blown-(supercharged) on 20%overdrive at least around 900 hp,no NOS or anything an the frame he built is so light his car weighs about 1500 lbs 2 seater the frame is a 1932 Bantem roadster i dont no why he picked that but i dont argue since his car is atleast running mid 7's but this summer its finally gonna be ready to drive an test it out, prolly go to Cordova Dragway Park, i went there last year and seen some nitro front engine dragsters it was pretty tight

i would use 93 to save a hell of alot more money for one, but there isnt a gas station for at least 45 miles with 93, and there is no way im driving that far just for gas but there is one with 92 and 100 octane with in a 4 mile radious i usually use 92 and then get some octane booster crap, just to make if closer to 93 b/c i need 93 for my chip i have, but then i use the 100 for the track seems to run smoother to me..


but really my car is slow compared to my dads, he's got a rare 392 hemi bored 460 ci. blown-(supercharged) on 20%overdrive at least around 900 hp,no NOS or anything an the frame he built is so light his car weighs about 1500 lbs 2 seater the frame is a 1932 Bantem roadster i dont no why he picked that but i dont argue since his car is atleast running mid 7's but this summer its finally gonna be ready to drive an test it out, prolly go to Cordova Dragway Park, i went there last year and seen some nitro front engine dragsters it was pretty tight

Cordova is where I run. We will have to run en side by side. Do you guys have the IHRA liscense to run your dads car? Cordova used to be pretty lax about letting people run but, they are going to be tighting up here soon.

your crazy if you dont think the ls1 can beat the mach 1 it only runs a 13.8 it weighs near 3200 lbs not exactly but close , the horspower im not sure of but i raced one down at the track an i have an LT1 stock tranny and engine, new 3.73 gear posi , new tires, thermostat chip, and 100 octane gas, and i ran a 13.7, my car is an auto and his was a stick so kinda sad really that i won, my cars a 93' z28, but i raced an 01' LS1 to and lost to him by a car and a half so if you cant beat him his cars not stock , so my guess is take the bet and win some free money, unless you dont trust him
The Mach 1 only runs 13.8??? LOL, you need to do a little research on your opponents.

So HIFlow are u saying that I wont win?

ok for one your dreaming if you think a non-superchared mustang can beat an ls1 sorry aint gonna happen anytime soon not even
your 2005 mustang gt with only 300 horse, the cobra is boostin 8lbs
on the supercharger and it weighs near 3200 lbs and barely beats the 2002 SS Camaro which weighs atleast 3-4000 more lbs ,
but a better race would be an all motor z06 vs.
the supercharged mustang cobra svt 2003, there weight is identical to the same an the vette will rip that Ford a new a$$

i was watching the video on kazaa the other day and it has the 2002
ZL-1 Camaro with 600 horsepower all motor and it ran a 9.55, so in other words since the ZL-1 is cheaper and faster then the supercharged
Ford GT that is 150,000 american dollars which goes to show how much better chevy is then the supercharged competition

ok for one your dreaming if you think a non-superchared mustang can beat an ls1 sorry aint gonna happen anytime soon not even
your 2005 mustang gt with only 300 horse, the cobra is boostin 8lbs
on the supercharger and it weighs near 3200 lbs and barely beats the 2002 SS Camaro which weighs atleast 3-4000 more lbs ,
but a better race would be an all motor z06 vs.
the supercharged mustang cobra svt 2003, there weight is identical to the same an the vette will rip that Ford a new a$$

i was watching the video on kazaa the other day and it has the 2002
ZL-1 Camaro with 600 horsepower all motor and it ran a 9.55, so in other words since the ZL-1 is cheaper and faster then the supercharged
Ford GT that is 150,000 american dollars which goes to show how much better chevy is then the supercharged competition


Who cares if it is supercharged. Like I said If GM had supercharged the LS1 would you of thought that is was a crappy engine just because it was not NA?