Prelude V.S. Celica GT-S

I own a 2000 celica GTS manual, but even so...i think the Prelude Type SH is pretty darn cool...I almost got one, but heard it was a bit heavier...and also the prelude would have been much better if Honda made it better like a TYPE R...

Originally posted by Miltown_Racer


220...and i read somewhere that there's a chance the RSX-R will be lower to only 200 HP like the type S..if so..it will suck....

exactly.... I was like "Fuck that shit!!" I'l ltry to find that article and post it up for u guys...i was pretty upset when i read that....YES, it would be a waste.....if that's the case..the only difference between the TYPE S and TYPE R would be its REDLINE....

Originally posted by Miltown_Racer
I own a 2000 celica GTS manual, but even so...i think the Prelude Type SH is pretty darn cool...I almost got one, but heard it was a bit heavier...and also the prelude would have been much better if Honda made it better like a TYPE R...

good choice. I want one. Its better than a prelude. The interior is so much better and design is also. Its faster than a prelude too. How much you pay for it. What color.

Originally posted by Miltown_Racer
The new alltrac turbo will kill a RSX-R and WRX anytime, anyday, 24/7

500 HP@8000 RPM... forgot the torque...

yeah but how much does it cost? i bet it costs a hell of alot more, so they're not comparable

Originally posted by Miltown_Racer


exactly.... I was like "Fuck that shit!!" I'l ltry to find that article and post it up for u guys...i was pretty upset when i read that....YES, it would be a waste.....if that's the case..the only difference between the TYPE S and TYPE R would be its REDLINE....

it's a midnight blue/black color...bought it fro 18 gran with 18k miles on it...so it is used...i bought it used because damn...i couldn't find any GTS manual around except that one...I live in Milwaukee, WI and it's a pretty big city and yet..it's hard to find a brand new GTS manual...mostly autos...But my used GTS is still good...looks new...runs excellent and i would have regretted if I'd gotten the SH

Originally posted by Mrcoilover


good choice. I want one. Its better than a prelude. The interior is so much better and design is also. Its faster than a prelude too. How much you pay for it. What color.

oops! forgot the price-wise....it's around 60k and above,so yes...u are right..it may not be comparable... I brought that in because it was a celica....

Originally posted by gang$tarr
you're quoting the wrong quotes man

he he. He'll get it eventually.

get one...u won't regret it...the seats are comfortable from my point of view...that's why i always watch out for not falling asleep on the freeway..i have kinda..but luckily i didn't go off the road...

good car, overall....and yeah...a new one will cost around 25k...

have i been quoting the wrong person? oops! i guess i was so use to the other forums on the other site where the quote is right above the person u wanted to quote...so oops! :D

Originally posted by Miltown_Racer
have i been quoting the wrong person? oops! i guess i was so use to the other forums on the other site where the quote is right above the person u wanted to quote...so oops! :D

do you post in the newcelica.org forum?

u mean celica.net? i post there...

Originally posted by Miltown_Racer
u mean celica.net? i post there...

nah, it is a different one. I saw lots of kool stuff in their. A lot of people are in there too. check it out. www.newcelica.org

thanx!

About the 500hp all-trac turbo... you guys are thinking about the yellow Rod Millen TRD 'Ultimate Celica'. It's a one-off design/engineering flair that uses the older 3S-GTE and AWD system from the previous Celica, but with heavy modifications. Costing around half a million dollars, this car will never make it into production, and was created simply for show. To further back the demise of the Celica all-trac, Toyota Team Europe doesn't use the heavy Celicas anymore; they have been using, and will continue to use the Corolla platform for the World Rally Championships.

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
About the 500hp all-trac turbo... you guys are thinking about the yellow Rod Millen TRD 'Ultimate Celica'. It's a one-off design/engineering flair that uses the older 3S-GTE and AWD system from the previous Celica, but with heavy modifications. Costing around half a million dollars, this car will never make it into production, and was created simply for show. To further back the demise of the Celica all-trac, Toyota Team Europe doesn't use the heavy Celicas anymore; they have been using, and will continue to use the Corolla platform for the World Rally Championships.

Hey...but I heard it is gonna come into production...one of my guy asked this guy at our local Toyota dealer and he said...it may come out in like the next few years costing roughly around 65 gran and above

Who is going to pay 65K for a Toyota Celica? That money it better spent in Z06 or M3.

Hypothetically, say that Toyota does produce the Ultimate Celica for the market. If somehow they find a way to reduce the astronomical six-figure pricetag to $65,000, it will be in the same class niche as their upcoming grand tourer. That would obviously not do, since Toyota is seriously gearing up for the Supra successor, and they do not want any sales overlap. Furthermore, take a look at your price prediction: $65,000. You won't get the increased bore and stroke. You won't get the IMSA GTP turbo or the RMM custom built inconel headers it hangs off of. There are countless exotic parts, materials, and custom modifications used on the car that make it cost $500,000 to build, as well as fire up 500hp. 19" BBS single-nut magnesium wheels? Integrated roll cage? Fuel cell? Only on concept exercises. Plus, as F20C states, there are too many other more appealing cars in this competetive range. At $65,000, it won't have 500hp... and without all that excess power, wouldn't consumers just want something more of a genuine sports car icon, rather than some odd concoction which has a 140hp little brother?

Originally posted by gang$tarr


umm, that's actually 5-figure :D :D

yeh! I wish I was making 6 figures. he eh :alien2:

i would never pay 65k for a celica, even if it is the "Ultimate Celica" ... it's still a celica :D

M3 for me :D

lol, coilover i deleted that post when you were writing that, hehe... i made a mistake i thought he said that $65k was 6 figures

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i would never pay 65k for a celica, even if it is the "Ultimate Celica" ... it's still a celica :D

M3 for me :D

yeah, put me down for one. I'd be sittin real tight. :eek:

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i would never pay 65k for a celica, even if it is the "Ultimate Celica" ... it's still a celica :D

M3 for me :D


Ahh, you changed it before I could respond, smart!!


As for the celica, with the stuff that it has on now at $500,000, would I get that particular one. But in general, I like the celica GT-S. It has a style all it's own and one that took some getting use to.

Originally posted by gang$tarr
lol, coilover i deleted that post when you were writing that, hehe... i made a mistake i thought he said that $65k was 6 figures

I read back and found out that you weren't reading the whole post. You just like milltown_racer quoting the wrong posts. he eh .;)

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL


But in general, I like the celica GT-S. It has a style all it's own and one that took some getting use to.

I don't know if this is a stupid ? or not. But would you take a celica gt-s over a 99+ G20.

Originally posted by Mrcoilover


I don't know if this is a stupid ? or not. But would you take a celica gt-s over a 99+ G20.

To be honest, I would. Only reason I'm saying this is because like my Accord, I just don't see the G20 as sporty to me. I know I'm going to get ripped for this but, that's my opinion.



Oh geez, I see flames and lynch mob!!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid27/p8f57d335b5b6ba996a9454917fafd245/fe353d3d.gif

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL

ahhh, you changed it before I could respond, smart!!


You're such a smart ass, you try to find every opportunity to get a shot in :mad: :)

Originally posted by Mrcoilover


I don't know if this is a stupid ? or not. But would you take a celica gt-s over a 99+ G20.

yeah i would (sorry :) you got a G20 don't you) the Celica GT-S has a 6 speed, more power and it's ALOT faster (0-60 in the mid 6s), plus i like the styling better.

Originally posted by gang$tarr


You're such a smart ass, you try to find every opportunity to get a shot in :mad: :)


I would not merit my name if I didn't!:D

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL


I would not merit my name if I didn't!:D

oh yeah i forgot, you're devious and cynical :D :D

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL


To be honest, I would. Only reason I'm saying this is because like my Accord, I just don't see the G20 as sporty to me. I know I'm going to get ripped for this but, that's my opinion.



Oh geez, I see flames and lynch mob!!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid27/p8f57d335b5b6ba996a9454917fafd245/fe353d3d.gif

koo, b/c I thought the same. I guess its the name that I like about my car and that people think I'm ballin cause I drive an "Infiniti". he he .But that sucker is as slow as my big toe.

its a hard decision. Id have to go with the prelude. but its a really hard choice.

I don't precisely know what you guys were talking about since a post was deleted or something, but when I stated "six figures", I was talking about the 'Ultimate Celica's' estimated cost to build: $500,000. As for $65,000, that is Miltown_Racer's number, and neither I, nor any source I can find can second it.

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
I don't precisely know what you guys were talking about since a post was deleted or something, but when I stated "six figures", I was talking about the 'Ultimate Celica's' estimated cost to build: $500,000. As for $65,000, that is Miltown_Racer's number, and neither I, nor any source I can find can second it.

Don't worry Morph, I got your back, he deleted that post before I could get at him.


Mrcoilover: That's what I mean. It's a nice car, but not to my liking and ishhh.

Oh I see, thanks for clearing that up. :)

I think I would go with the GT-S MAINLY because it's a newer design. Even though (here in the States) the P11 isn't that old, it's already been around for some time in Japan and elsewhere, and is currently being replaced with the funky P12 Primera around the globe. I'd sure hate to get a current model G20 and suddenly have the new body pop up next year... makes you feel kind of like you bought the state-of-the-art computer only to find it obsolete soon after. (Of course this is all hypothetically speaking. Some are saying that the '03 spring-bound G35 is not just a simple addition to Infiniti's lineup--it's a replacement for the G20. That's sad).

Hey there's still one good buying factor for all the G20s: the SR20DE. There are plently of nicely working CARB legal turbo kits for it, and it has nearly a decade's worth of aftermarket research, as opposed to the new Toyota/Yamaha 2ZZ-GE which is moving along rather slowly (XS is the only one I know off the top of my head who makes a turbo kit for it and it's not even street legal. Are there others?).

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
Oh I see, thanks for clearing that up. :)

No other turbo kits that I know of. I would like to turbo my G but. I don't know about how reliable it is after that and so forth. Plus the G20's value is about to plop. Ain't tryin to be stuck with a car that depreciates bad.

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
I don't precisely know what you guys were talking about since a post was deleted or something, but when I stated "six figures", I was talking about the 'Ultimate Celica's' estimated cost to build: $500,000. As for $65,000, that is Miltown_Racer's number, and neither I, nor any source I can find can second it.

it's nothin, i just thought you said $65,000 was a 6-figure number... but after i posted it i realized i read it wrong and i deleted it

This Celica was built by Toyota and Millen as a crazy idea. It uses the early-90's celica's AWD (which can take a lot of power, obviously), and it uses a huge turbo and every other trick in the book. So it makes 500 hp and 300 or so lb-ft. It is slow, though, taking more than 5 seconds to reach 60 mph. If it would be made, it would be cheaper (no duh its gonna cost at least half a mill to design and make one-off parts!), and would be like a Supra.
Too bad it sucks, IMO, considering the price (probably 40+grand).

Hope this clears some of the confusion up.

Originally posted by Chris
So it makes 500 hp and 300 or so lb-ft. It is slow, though, taking more than 5 seconds to reach 60 mph.

Price and everything is a little absurd, but I don't know about 500hp/300lb of torque being slow. It would get a WRX and that ain't slow. How you figure?:huh:

A Subaru WRX is less than half the price it would sell for. It is slow, because 5 seconds at this price is slow. A new Z06 does 60 in "under 4 seconds". It is slow because it has been tested, and it revs so high, its really hard to get the power to the ground. Bog em or burn em, and I think its weaker then they are saying. And its top speed is slow, at 150 mph, which is really slow for a 500 hp car. So it sucks, IMHO. See an old C&D for details. I will maybe look for it tonight (Maybe!)

Originally posted by Chris
A Subaru WRX is less than half the price it would sell for. It is slow, because 5 seconds at this price is slow. A new Z06 does 60 in "under 4 seconds".

Your eating your own words. Now look at a price of a Z06. I know regular corvettes go for about 50-55k. So if you put $20k worth of work into a WRX then it will get a your Z06vette.

It would. Unless you spend an extra 5 grand on each (blower for the vette), then the vette wins.

But I'm sayin that this Celica isnt to good at all.

Originally posted by Chris
It would. Unless you spend an extra 5 grand on each (blower for the vette), then the vette wins.

But I'm sayin that this Celica isnt to good at all.

I see what your saying though dawg. I wouldn't even think about getting one. It's still a celica. Or is it? Nah but uh, I think the celica gt-s
are a very well done car. Needs more torque, but with a little work it can stay with the RSX-S and it is made good being 97% japanese made.:huh:

Originally posted by Mrcoilover

and it is made good being 97% japanese made.:huh:

what you did the math?! lol :D

Originally posted by gang$tarr


what you did the math?! lol :D

O contrare mofrare my friend. Actually I just remember seeing that on the sticker of the gt-s. Or you can just divide somethin by somethin and you get 97%. Simple as that.:silly:

Originally posted by Mrcoilover


O contrare mofrare my friend.

are you blazed?! :confused:

500hp and 300 torque and only capable of 5 second? That's doesn't sound right at all. The car doesn't weight 5000 lbs or anything.

Originally posted by F20C
500hp and 300 torque and only capable of 5 second? That's doesn't sound right at all. The car doesn't weight 5000 lbs or anything.

yeah that doesn't sound right at all

I know, its crappy. Which is my point. C&D did a test on it (I think maybe may 2001). I looked at it last night, and 4.9 was teh best they managed. But it really isnt that good. They said the power came on strong at very high revs, but you couldnt keep it in the power band.

500 HP and 300 lb-ft...some of y'all are making the celica look bad. I've never seen its real time...but I'm sure it's much faster than what some of y'all think...They didn't make it 500 HP and 300lb-ft for nothing....just doesn't make sense...and like one of the guy said...it doesn't weight 5000 lbs...I'm sure that car will give most even the top cars a good run...stock for stock...

And about that 65K, this dealer guy told my guy that and he came home telling me that because I have a 2000 GTS.

If I had 65k, I would get one. A celica with 500 hp and 300 lb-ft..it'll give most cars a good suprise thinking it's only a regular celica.:)

Originally posted by Chris
I know, its crappy. Which is my point. C&D did a test on it (I think maybe may 2001). I looked at it last night, and 4.9 was teh best they managed. But it really isnt that good. They said the power came on strong at very high revs, but you couldnt keep it in the power band.

if u're talking about the celica...4.9 is kinda slow for it's power, but it's there with a GTR R34

But the skyline is special:) (and it has 200 less hp)
I know its slow for the power, but thats just the way it is:rolleyes:

if it's that slow for the power, i bet somebody got fired at toyota :D :D

It was done by TRD and Millen, for 500 000. It hasnt even been to an autoshow (to my knowledge), so it was mainly a pet project. C&D only had it cuz' they had nothing else that month (other than a gripping minivan comparo!)

Originally posted by Chris
It was done by TRD and Millen, for 500 000. It hasnt even been to an autoshow (to my knowledge), so it was mainly a pet project.I saw it at the L.A. Auto Show last Jan. :D

So it has been to shows:licker:

$500,000... that's it?! :confused:

that's nothing for a car company, especially to design a car!! even $5,000,000 is nothing for designing a car.... then again all they really did was modify a celica

but still that's not even enough to pay a couple salaries :)

Originally posted by Chris
So it has been to shows:licker: Yes (to my knowledge). ;)

Well, if you saw it, then I guess you do know:)

I remember thinking ":huh:." That's a quote. :D

I actually forgot that I'd seen it, until Morpheus XIII posted about it here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t4587.html) and I recognized the pics. :)

Originally posted by moe182
No the Toyota Celica GT has a 5 speed, the GT-S has a 6 speed.....
And the RSX-R is going to have 220 bhp out of the front wheels...where as the WRX has 227 coming out of all four. I just got the new C/D and the WRX looks very hard to beat. it may not have all the class and pizzaz of the Acura but i think it would take the RSX

Do you even know anything about cars before you talk?? I dont know about the RSX-R so I will not comment, But the WRX is NOT putting out 227 to the wheels. That 227 is measured at the crank, to the wheels, it prob gets 180-190.

Also did anyone mention the TypeSH?

The celica GT beating the lude?? You must be kidding. I have video of a lude taking a gts, giving the gts a car lead if you want it. E-mail me.

AWD drivetrain loses a lot of power during the process. WRX only have about 160hp at the wheels.