Dont bring back the Camaro

There was a post about bringing back the Camaro.

''some signatures around from anyone that would like to see the Camaro brought back. So if you would like to see one of America's great Muscle Cars every created Brought Back please leave your ->

-Name
-Year and Model of Camaro
-and a short reason why you love your Camaro and why it should be brought back''

I say, no. To me the life span of this car is like the Rocky movies. There all good except for the last one. The last generation of Camaros like '93 and up...well there boring. Most of them come with V6 2.8, unless you get the V8 option wich you have to pay more for. And its dumb because all up till that model they were good, and they messed that year up. And for them to try to bring it back is like Stallone doing another Rocky movie.

I almost got into a fight today with this kid. At school for auto, we have these panflit things. Theres a 3 gen Camaro poppin a wheelie and it says realize your dream. The kid goese and says "Well, no one can realize there dream with a Camaro'' ....I told him that I would whip his ass just like my car would whip his cars ass.

First off, the V6 camaros in the 93 and up had 3.8L engine that pushed 200hp and that much torque, while I agree with what your saing to an extent, I don't think the Camaro falls in the same class as the malibu and the impala. Those cars even in there hayday didn't match up to the camaro. You are thinking that they will do the same thing, make it a front wheel drive family car. I disagree. The Camaro has been the staple of american affordable muscle since it's arival back in 1967, it was the car they all tried to beat, and few even matched. If chevy did bring it back it would not be a bump on a log. It'll be a hellion on the road, that's all I have to say about that.

im gonna have to say youre wrong. RS said, the v6's offered were the 3.4 and the 3.8. both engines were very good powerplants. yes i know they were sixes, but in their respective catagories they were damn good motors. also, do you not recall the ss? the ls-1 was/is a freakin awsome engine. everyone says that in the fourth gen the camaros turned girly. i think that the 3rd gens are cool and intend on owning one after college, but they dont have the sleek, sexy curves of the 4th gen. also, if chevy brought back the camaro it would prolly have the gto ls-1, and the new ls-2 as an option. both engines are far more better than anything on the road today. i feel that you could not be further from the truth on this one...

The new camaros where among the most exciting and most pleasuable cars to drive. Now I hope some 3rd gen people don't get mad at me but in all fairness. The new camaros make more HP with better gas mileage and better realiabilaty. NOT that I don't like the 3rd gens. It's just that technology gets the best of everything. and that v6 that you are badmouthing will destroy a stock 305 3rd gen. Except for 1992RS's 305. It's like the it's the red headed stepchild on steriods :evillol: . They should not of stoped making them. The only bad thing I can see with the camaro returning is that if and when they come back they will be so expensive because GM will think everyone has the "extra" money to buy a "remade american legend" It scares me to think of what they will butcher the camaro name into. Just like the GTO. I feel that if corprate GM is retarded enough so stop making the car, then, who konws what they will do next.

I dont think they would make it a ''front wheel drive, family car'' I know they wouldnt. And yes they do get more HP and better gas mileage. Talking about realiable. GM makes good cars pretty much all around, so as long as you take care of the car you should be fine. But then again, shit happens to all cars old and new.

What I'm saying with them bringing it back is, It will be a flop. The body style is bland, and resembles all of the other cars out now a days because they use computers to make them. Look at the T-Bird. Its getting taken off the market because people arnt buying it. Pontiac is bringing back the GTO wich looks excatly like a Grand Prix wich looks excatly like a Grand Am, and even the Vibe and Aztec are similar to that body style.

I wasnt bad mouthing it, and I know they'll beat a stock 305. Technology doese improve the cars performance by a considerable amount..But I bet it wont beat my car when its got a 383 stroker.

I bet my 383 LT1 will though...

yeah man, aint technology grand, the Z06 we did an emmisions test on today. 5.7L V8, 405hp, 30+mpg on the highway, and almost ZERO emmisions. its a brave new world ladies :)

but on the camaro deal, i do have definate fears. would i love to see the return of the camaro, absolutely, but am i terrifed of going down to the dealership and having them try to sell me a reborn muscle car, with a front wheel drive V6, cab forward design, and hybrid gas/electric tecnology??? again, yes. so i have mixed feelings, if they bring it back, i hope and pray they do a good job. but if they are going to do to it what they did the impala, then i say let the name rest in peice. (although i do shake my finger at everyone who is mocking the new GTO, that car is hot shit, no matter how you cut it.)

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. You dont want to see the honorbal name of Camaro get soiled by modern day socity. Not to mention puting a dent in its good name and reputation. The market trying to improve on something like that would be hard, because the Camaro has indeed made a reputation on the street, along with the track.


The GTO seems like a desperate atempt by Pontiac to get there sales up. Personaly I think if they want to get sales up, they need to stop making all there damn cars look the same. There is no denying that the new GTO looks the same as Grand Prix and Am.

well, i will admit it is similar, but pontiac is not as bad as nissan. i mean come ON, they are all the same car, with different fenders lol. but seriously, all that really looks the same to me is the front end. the overall shape of the car, as would be expected from a car designed and built by another company, is different. remember, its not a pontiac, is a holden monaro. and those are the ones for those who didnt know, that are used in australias V8 supercar road course racing. those cars are wicked :)

HAHAH yeah Nissian is a dumb. We had a path finder in the shop yester day. With there japaneese micky mouse shit. The exhaust system was junk was accually cracked almost in half, the speedomater was shot, these along with a number of other things. Anyone that says they make better cars, is full of shit. American, or Italain if you ask me.

i think the gto will be a huge sucsess as soon as pontian get its head out of it ass and decides to add divercity to its line up its got a killer engine and interior but the putside is so bland and boring

Excatly

actually, not to be the disagreable one here, having sat in one and looked it over, i reallllly like the interior, the seats are bad ass, recaro-esk, the instrument cluster is red faced guages (want those BAD for my black and red camaro) rimmed with a chrome ring, and a black on black intereor, i think they did a bad ass job on it. the one part of the car that really dissapointed me, was the engine compartment, it looked like a cheesy made in taiwan mcdonnalds happy meal toy. i think they should have done a better job there.

GM has met the same problem that Ford have when they started making new generations of Camaros and Mustangs, yeah, some may say the were boring and just didnt cut it, though can say it about the Mustang-their sales were increasing every year. Now take a look at what Ford does, they recently launched their new retro Mustang which i am pretty sure is gonna be a second heyday for that model. Now it is time for GM to give us something fresh and interesting....GM rules!!!

good call

Yes, I agree. But something new, not them trying to revamp there best product.

IMO the GTO is a glorified SS. It's a good platform, but They need diveristy. I don't think that the camaro would be a family car. Just worried of what it could be. Like I said GM was retarded enough to stop making the car, Who konws what they will do

The GTO seems like a desperate atempt by Pontiac to get there sales up. Personaly I think if they want to get sales up, they need to stop making all there damn cars look the same. There is no denying that the new GTO looks the same as Grand Prix and Am.

I think the gto is gm realising that they needed something under 50k dollars with an ls1 in it. I think the gto is a great car , something somewhat practical with some serious horsepower. I think it is very much a modern interpretation of the classic muscle car. What the hell did anybody expect the gto to look like anyways when back in its hayday it looked like the other half of the pontiac lineup as well.

Heh. I'd take a GTO. Just give me all the Holden parts to convert it.:)

wow... as i was readin this i saw the review of the GTO on Car and Driver, they basically said the GTO is shit next to the Z28. 14 sec in the quarter, z28s pull mid 13s stock AND THEIR DOWNGRADED they can easily pull 12s (comin from a car that 2 years older than GTO), and the styling is crap i dont know what u ppl are talkin about. basically the review said that GM made a crackhead decision about stopping production on f-bodies.

Well there are two ways GM could fuck up the camaro, they could make it a family car, or they could make it more like the vette. The camaro isn't a family car per say, but you can semi comfortably fit four peeps in it, if two of em where rug rats. But it has to be muscleir but not over welming and it can't be extremely high priced, that was the beauty of the camaro, an afordable sports car that the whole family, if small, could enjoy.

family car? shit the day that happens im sellin my camaro.. i'd be embarassed to drive that shit. its better they dont bring it back if they're not gonna make it what it needs to be. the nova for example.

dude you need to freakin get a life. I have a 78 Z28 and a 94 Z28 and they are the ultimate affordible V8 machine. if u think they should not bring them back u are nothing but tree hugging pussy liberial. u are the kind of person that would go buy a freakin dodge neon or a hybrid crossover. i think u should go suck the exaust of my V8 camaro. GET A LIFE

dude you need to freakin get a life. I have a 78 Z28 and a 94 Z28 and they are the ultimate affordible V8 machine. if u think they should not bring them back u are nothing but tree hugging pussy liberial. u are the kind of person that would go buy a freakin dodge neon or a hybrid crossover. i think u should go suck the exaust of my V8 camaro. GET A LIFE

I THINK we are all MATURE adults here. Everyone is entitled to their own damn opinion. By the way, i partly agree. If GM turns the Camaro into some V6 FWD 4 Door thing-a-ma-bober then they just shouldnt have made them.

I'll say something nice when people get some sense. I agree with u tho no 4 door piece of junk like most of all the other companys make.

so, as a person claiming to have two Z28 camaros, you would like to have them come back, even as watered down econobox TREEHUGGING family cars??? because if you were actually intellegent enough to follow the conversation that you stumbled into, and rudly added your little opinion to, that the whole point of the thread was to say that he was afraid that they would do to the camaro, what they did to teh impala, and the malibu, and i think its safe to say that any true enthusiest would prefer to see the camaro rest in peice, with a proud past, rather than be ressurected in a form to be ashamed of, and bring ridacule to the name.

oh and little advice, think up a new insult, you can only use "get a life" so many times before you start to look like an ignorant dumbass, oh wait, sorry, too late.

That is my answer ( found on the internet):

The Camaro is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
It waketh me burnout on black pavements;
It leadeth me beside busy freeways.
It restoreth my soul;
It leads me in the path of quickness


For its names sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of rice;
i shall fear no turbo, for Torque art with me;
Thy rod Thy piston, they comfort me.



Yhou preparest a track before me
in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou bast anoined my bearing with oil;
My car overpowers.
Surely traction and victory shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I shall dwell in the house of the v8
Forever.
Amen.
C. Hooley

Okay first off, supervisor1886...your new name is preacher.And let me say that was beautieeful.

And for this piece of shit FTheRestGetA Z faggoty moron. What the hell are you talking about get a life? Your posting just as we are you retarted idiot.

I would never buy a Dodge Neon, your probaly one of the idiots behinde that god forsaken piece. Wait, thats giving you too much credit....

Why dont you just listen 89IROC&RS and shuut up.

Amen...

dude you need to freakin get a life. I have a 78 Z28 and a 94 Z28 and they are the ultimate affordible V8 machine. if u think they should not bring them back u are nothing but tree hugging pussy liberial. u are the kind of person that would go buy a freakin dodge neon or a hybrid crossover. i think u should go suck the exaust of my V8 camaro. GET A LIFE
read what i said first u stupid newbie fuck... i did NOT dis the camaro u dumb fuck... look at my fucking name... I SAID IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THE SAME SHIT THEY DID TO THE NOVA, I RATHER NOT SEE IT! get your facts straight before you start talking shit. the camaro is my favorite car, i piss on dodge neons and all those piece of shit compacts.

That is my answer ( found on the internet):

The Camaro is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
It waketh me burnout on black pavements;
It leadeth me beside busy freeways.
It restoreth my soul;
It leads me in the path of quickness


For its names sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of rice;
i shall fear no turbo, for Torque art with me;
Thy rod Thy piston, they comfort me.



Yhou preparest a track before me
in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou bast anoined my bearing with oil;
My car overpowers.
Surely traction and victory shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I shall dwell in the house of the v8
Forever.
Amen.
C. Hooley
lol.. thats in my profile... i actually said that prayer a few times.

alright let's just calm down every one we all think the camaro should return but not as a v6 family sedan. it sounds like FTheRestGeta Z is really steamin because he was so loyal to gm and the camaro and they let him down. so cooool offfff. we are all on the same page here

99camaroSS, i agree, but you have to admit, for a noob to join a site, and then start insulting people, and being a little troll, is not cool. even if he disagrees, he can say it in a mature way, such as, "dude, your so wrong, i think that...." rather than, "your all stupid dumshits, im right because im me and you all are fucking retards that should agree with me" so when you come into a forum of people, and do that. your gonna get called on it. thats all. seriously, ask yourself what would happen to him if he walked into a bar, into a conversation, and did that, hed get a bottle broken over his head, also if it was one incident, i could probly let it slide, but he does it in every post he makes, i predict that the mods get annoyed with him too, he wont be here long, so im not stressin it.

oh and supervisor, that is the greatest thing ever, im gonna have to make a plaqe and put that on my wall :)

Yeah, if he came up to me in real life and started talkin like that...I'd impale him with a sharp broom stick.

wow does this moron believe his own shit? he owns 2 camaros and he wants to get a wrx? ok. r-i-c-e-r...

whatever dude, like i said, hes not worth my time, hell probly get kicked soon. so let it go. if he dont shut up, report him to a mod, and it will get taken care of.

i do think they should bring back the camaro, but not with all this retro crap. sure its a cool trend, but its the twenty first century now we need new designs. it should come stock with a V8 and an optional V6 for those concerned with fuel consumption. they cant mimic the gto and make it essentially a RWD acura integra with a V8. on the other hand if they dont make the new camaro all our camaros will become alot more valueable.

i do think they should bring back the camaro, but not with all this retro crap. sure its a cool trend, but its the twenty first century now we need new designs. it should come stock with a V8 and an optional V6 for those concerned with fuel consumption. they cant mimic the gto and make it essentially a RWD acura integra with a V8. on the other hand if they dont make the new camaro all our camaros will become alot more valueable.

Here is a nicely done concept:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=503/1408440309phr-5camaro05_z-med.jpg

That is the ulgyest damn car I have seen :puke: . ugg

if gm does with the camaro(in the event that they bring it back) like they did with the GTO, i think id shoot myself. i cant believe that pontiac was too lazy to make a real car, so they went shopping for some crapass car from australia...highly disappointing.

Reply to:

Supervisor:
Man that was some nice shit even thought I dint understand half of it(too much old english) "very nice"

Chevyboy:
I agree you are absolutly right I defenetly think that it should come V6 or V8. However I think it should still be a race cars aspect and rearwheel drive ect.....

And for those who said that is better to see the camaro prouldy dead than as a family 4 door car I absolutly agree. I think they should keep up the tradition of an affordable sports car in order to keep kicking mustangs ass... :iceslolan

i actually like that concept for the camaro, however it needs refinement, its too "bubbly" in my opinion, but it has definate potential.

I think it should rest in peace. Even if they did come up with a new concept and cool design, I think they should start a new product line.

I think it should rest in peace. Even if they did come up with a new concept and cool design, I think they should start a new product line. plus what chevyboyrs said. Make ours more Valueable.

if gm does with the camaro(in the event that they bring it back) like they did with the GTO, i think id shoot myself. i cant believe that pontiac was too lazy to make a real car, so they went shopping for some crapass car from australia...highly disappointing.


CRAPASS Car???? dude you have no idea what your are saying...
Holden is a part of the GM family you knnow. I've read a lot of your post for the most part your pretty cool guy. Have some great knowledge to share. But this is where you and I differ. I love the camaro and TA but I also like the Monaro. It has a GEN III power plant from Chevy. it pumps out 326 hp... if you get the HSV version its 380 hp out of the box.
Dont even get started on the Commadore bro the only cool ass 4 door we had was the imp SS at 265hp when you can get a sweet ass 4 door here with 326 hp and the HSV with 380hp how about that to go get groceries...

I agree that the monaro is not the camaro at all. The camaro is a muscle car. was never meant to have all the bells and whistles. The TA on the other hand was supposed to be more refined and have more creature comforts than the Z28. So the monaro follows suit as far as the Refinement issue with the TA. Monaro was never supposed to replace the camaro just the TA. Dont be too quick to judge it before you get in it I guarrantee you'll love it. I fought it tooth and nail til I got into one and man I'm glad I did. its a sweet ass ride. No hard feelings bro :2cents: :smokin:

concepts always look nice, he messed up around the quarterpanel tho, there should be a sail panel there, not that little window. none of the camaros had that, and im glad they didnt.

CRAPASS Car???? dude you have no idea what your are saying...
Holden is a part of the GM family you knnow. I've read a lot of your post for the most part your pretty cool guy. Have some great knowledge to share. But this is where you and I differ. I love the camaro and TA but I also like the Monaro. It has a GEN III power plant from Chevy. it pumps out 326 hp... if you get the HSV version its 380 hp out of the box.
Dont even get started on the Commadore bro the only cool ass 4 door we had was the imp SS at 265hp when you can get a sweet ass 4 door here with 326 hp and the HSV with 380hp how about that to go get groceries...

I agree that the monaro is not the camaro at all. The camaro is a muscle car. was never meant to have all the bells and whistles. The TA on the other hand was supposed to be more refined and have more creature comforts than the Z28. So the monaro follows suit as far as the Refinement issue with the TA. Monaro was never supposed to replace the camaro just the TA. Dont be too quick to judge it before you get in it I guarrantee you'll love it. I fought it tooth and nail til I got into one and man I'm glad I did. its a sweet ass ride. No hard feelings bro :2cents: :smokin:

no hard feeling taken...but perhaps i was a little harsh when i said crapass. sorry, its a country boy trait to cuss and spit at things we dont agree with. however, i am pretty disappointed with the gto. if you compare the current one with what the gto used to be, there's quite a bit left to be desired. most of the magazines i've read on it and all the people i know that got in one all say that it handles poorly, the styling is passive at best, and besides they basically just transplanted it. personally, i feel that is loses cool points if it isnt designed (atleast partially) from the ground up to be a gto. i do however look forward to what pontiac is going to do with it, after they tweak all that needs to be tweaked...

THANK YOU VLAD!!! for those who dont know, hes from australia so he knows more than all of us.

as far as the concept, i kinda like the idea of that window. dont know about you, bt that blind spot right next to my head gets kinda annoying changing lanes and having to stick my head out my window to see whats there lol.

Hahahahah http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/iagree.gif (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&s=#)

Hehehe dont forget fellas I'm a Texan. I'm just a transplant over here

well the truth of it all, is that if you compair any new car nameplaet to an old one, it aint gonna measure up, no new camaro off the line, could touch a ZL1, and even the super touted Z06 vette built now, would have its ass handed to it by a 69 ZL1. back in the day, on bias ply tires, with shitty suspensions. imagine what those old cars could do with modern setups on drivetrain and tire technology. the fact is that when you compair that new GTO to what is available now, rather than in the past, it is pretty bad ass. i mean it is basicly the size and shape of a pontiac sunfire with a gen III small block, to me, thats pretty bad ass.

Yeah, I bet you if I somehow got a computer and stuff into mine, I'd be singing a different tune. Computers help alot.

I say no they shouldn't. after the 93 re-design they looked more like a woman's family car than a sports car. Perfect example my wife love's the newer camaros but hates my 88 IROC. The new design is just to womanly for my tastes. I say let the camaro rest in peace, it's 10 years overdue.

well there is a reason for that. im not sure exactly of what the date was when it happend, but at one point in the 90's, all high up positions at GM were held by women. now i am not sexist, i am certainly aware that there are hot blooded women with great taste in cars, but apparently they do not work for GM. hence the death of most of gm performance, the rise of front wheel drive V6 family cars, and the death of the F body line as far as i am concerned. but it does explain the more feminine view of the car lineup, and why your wife loves the newer camaros and not your 88.

i personally think that the early 4th gens look sexy. dont get me wrong, i like the 3rd gens, intend on gettin one when i get out of school. i just think that the 93 to 97 maros are better lookin cause they are sleek and aerodynamic looking. if you look at em from the front, the fenders buldge out and the car looks mean, intimidating even. i dont like the 98 and up body style tho. kindof big and bulky, and i dont like the nose change either.

Now were getting somewhere.

That makes sense to me. The camaros after the 3rd gen look girly. My friend (who is a girl) has one. The plot thickens.

ah ha! a clue sherlock ;) but chevyracincamaro, im not saying that no girl likes the third gens, and that no guy likes the fourth gens, everyone has their own taste, but on a larger scale, if you want to open the can of worms that is stereotypes, girls tend to favor the fourth gens, and guys, even if they like the fourth gen, will admit its a bit softer than the third gen, even a bit more girl friendly.

yea well people like you who want to attract guys with their cars, should stay with your fuckin 3rd generations.