Dont bring back the Camaro

Now were getting somewhere.

That makes sense to me. The camaros after the 3rd gen look girly. My friend (who is a girl) has one. The plot thickens.
lol... u wanna thicken the plot.. ok. saying 4th generation camaros are girly is a compliment, because a car is supposed to be like a woman, unless you like women that are ugly and rigid.

lmao!!! dude, trust me, i have no problems attracting girls with my third gen. and yeah i do like my girls curvy, but i also like my girls athletic and in shape, so a good hardbody is fine with me ;) but ill tell ya, the few times that my dad has borrowed my RS and i watched her roll out the driveway, and drive away, i mean, damn, shes such a sexy car. i mean i can perhaps understand you saying shes ridged, but come on, you said your lookin to get one yourself, and you call them ugly??? tsk tsk ;)

when did i say i wanna get a 3rd gen?
and 4th gen looks better let it go already its dead. i get a hard-on everytime i see my car drive thru the carwash. i dont know where u attract girls with a 3rd gen, but in new york, unless you find some hick-ass girl they wont be jumpin in a 3rd gen. no im not disin 3rd gen, but if u wanna talk about looks, 4th gen got them. and what the fuck is 10 years overdue mean?! fuck those 10 years where the only ones GM did right. if i never saw a 4th gen camaro i would of never knew camaros existed. its all about the lines. btw cannibalrights that 2nd generation looks whack.. get it off my screen. or paint it or do something to it.

na... im juss playin. but u do need to paint that shit cannibalrights. all camaros look good, lets leave it at that.

I know, I'm gonna get it painted black with red stripes instead of what it is now. Theres no point in getting a nice paint job when the ground is covered in snow and slat now is there?


And its going to look badass, and if you still say it looks "whack" then I dont really care because you think 4th gens look better than all of them, you dont like "ugly,and ridiged''and mine looks "whack".

Anyways...

lol.. 4th gen does look better.
and cut the bumper while ur at it.
na im just playin it looks good... well at least it dont look like a civic.

and what exactly is wrong with hick-ass girls. country lovin is the best lovin...lol...

I likes my gurls wif teefs..LOL

Dude a 3rd gen will get the ladies. At least here they will. Hell just the word camaro gets them all excited......... This is one area where the Buick lacks.......Oh well

lmao... country lovin... wow... ur sick.

Civics should be shot on site.

sheeet man, ill take me a country girl over an uptight city girl ANY time. i mean come ON, have you ever heard of daisy duke?????? now im a self proclaimed redneck, but a girl in a bikini top, daisy duke shorts, and a cowgirl hat, oh shit man, im done. as far as the looks of the car, i do like the muscular lines of the 4th gens, but i honestly dont really like the front ends. never have, its like a girl with great curves, but an ugly face, and there aint a paper bag big enough to cover the front end of the car lol. i guess its one of those personal deals, everyone has different taste, i really think the third gens, (with the exception of the .69 camaro) are the prettiest ones.

Yeah my cars front end isnt the prettest you'll ever see. But thats why I like it.

That thing looks mean, and rough. Looks like something that will bitch smack a "pretty" car and show it whats up.http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/wink.gif (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&s=#)

lmao, you like women who are in jail dont you :)

::shutters:: Hell noooo. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/puke.gif (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&s=#)

I guess I have a weakness for red heads, but in the long run it dosent really matter what color there hair is.

93-97 is the best lookng front end i've seen on a camaro... and having a 3rd generation u shouldnt be saying that. cuz if u look at a front end of a 3rd and look at a 4th it looks similar but the 4th generation just has more curves and is wider. 98-02 aint bad either but it needs to be lowered and needs ground effects to look good. bottom line.. people in the city appreciate 4th gens a lot more, cuz they stand out from all those ugly ass rice cars. The only competition 4th gen has in looks is corvette. i do like 3rd gen front end, but... http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/101725stock_camaro-med.jpg http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/101725stock_camaro_2-med.jpg ....sorry no competition.

I am not here to knock the Camaro, fourth gen or otherwise, but I think people who loved the fourth gen's styling were definately in the minority...big-time.

Now, don't get me wrong...I am not here to start a flame war or insult anyone. Looks are subjective and we all like what we like. I am a Ford guy and I think the 71-73 Mustang Sportroofs are awesome, but I too am in the minority. If Ford is dumb enough to build a Mustang like that again (although anything would be better than a Mustang II revival) I will personally drive up to Dearborn and kick Bill Ford's ass. Why? Because cars that don't have a mass appeal don't stick around very long.

The 71-73 Mustang's limited appeal is part of the reason we got the Mustang II...nuff said. I think the 4th generation Camaro, and to a lesser extent the 4th gen Firebird, were rowing that same boat. Their limited appeal, partially due to their polarizing styling IMO, was part of the reason you guys don't have them anymore.

The third generation cars appeared to be much better recieved all around to me. The are of styling is no exception, and even I think 3rd gen cars look really, really good. (My brother had a late eighties GTA in black that was great looking)

I miss the Camaro, even though I would likely never buy one. It isn't fun to be on the "side" winning the pony car wars, and be winning because the other side decided not to play anymore. Hell, the competition between the cars was half the fun.

The guy early on in the thread who was slamming V-6 Camaro's needs to remember one of the reasons the Mustang is still here. V-6 Mustang sales were virtually equal to combined f-body sales the last few years the f-body was made. Even though any future f-body should offer ground pounding power, GM had damn well better remember that you need those V-6, inline six, or whatever six sales to help amortize the costs of the hairier versions guys like us want.

Yes, the Camaro needs to be a car with "balls", and it sure as hell doesn't need to be some fwd V-6 only bastardization of the cars heritage. The car needs to be easier to work on (think windshield) for the gearheads, and it needs to be a better every day car (think catyltic convt. hump and heavy ass doors) for those who are well "posers".

The Mustang has plenty of shortcomings, some of which Ford is fixing for us Mustang guys with the 05+ cars. SOme I am sure we will still have. But sales are why we have it and GM needs to make sure the next Camaro is a "seller".

Here's hoping you guys get your Camaro back and that it is a serious, high performing piece ...seriously. And, here's hoping the Mustang kicks it's ass anyway. ;)

i like em all equally

syr74, said and said well...

lol, very well spoke syr74. and a ford guy to boot, whoda thunk it.

syr74:The guy early on in the thread who was slamming V-6 Camaro's

Even though once again, I was not "slamming" the V6's...

Yeah, very well said.

minority?... nope... not around here. and does the windshield really make it that much harder to work on?

I still want a new Chevelle over a new generation Camaro, but could you imagine if the Camaro was still around. With the new C6's 400 hp LS2, it would no doubt be dropped into a new styled 5th gen Camaro with probably around 360-370 hp (Chevy of course can't have the Vette losing to a F-body). That vs the 03 Cobra would start to become a much more intense rivalry.

another thing. about the camaro being a "seller". u gotta look at the fact that most camaros are sold between people. not from factories, a lot of people like 4th gen, alot more than u think, but most people buy them from other people, and GM doesn't make money off of that. In order for 4th gen to be a seller GM should have made it cheaper to buy, and gave it more power. think about it, would u buy a camaro from the factory for 35k or would you buy a modified camaro that maybe just a few years older, that has more power and is about 10k cheaper. it wasnt the styling that made f-bodies lose sales, f-body's were never short in the styling catagory. plus minorities is not a bad thing, its a good thing when u dont see the same car on every block. on the other hand, everyone complains how camaros became too expensive for the average joe, but thats also good in a way, because u dont want EVERYONE to have one do u? and personally 35k was well worth the price. i mean people pay 40k for a goddamn altima(or maxima, i forget, they all look like shit)!! thats fuckin embarassing. an altima costing more than a camaro. they never should of made v6 camaros, or if they make v6 camaros, its better if the make inline-6s with turbos, or something to substitute the power they SHOULD have.

devil, what new chevelle????????? and as far as the high hp camaro, it existed, check out my thread "berger camaro" sold from the dealership, with full warrantee, and emissions recertification, with 380hp, and 12.73 second quarter mile times, on street tires, traction limited. there were several dealerships that had contracts with GMMG inc. and had similar F bodies.

c a m a r o, that is a good point, that the prices were getting too high, but they did that because people were paying it, then all of a sudden, the import sport feild opend up, they had low prices, and the legs were swept out from under the camaro price wise. and GM refused to adapt, and bring down the prices. they also never advertised them, so people didnt know anything about the new camaros and firebirds. hell, when was the last time you saw a chevy ad for a specific car??? they do a few full lineup ads. but nothing specific. the last ones for the fbodies i saw were in the mid 90's. gm seems like instead of having a bad advertising crew, they have NO advertising crew. as far as V6 camaros, they definately should exist. they do boost sales, not everyone is a hot blooded rampaging hormone that needs the V8 like we do ;) and if someon likes the camaro, but not the V8, shouldnt they be able to get the V6 version instead of a honda civic??

gm's official words on the camaro were "hiatus", meaning on hold. maybe they were serious and itll come back one day, or maybe it was a sick joke and just way to suppress any back fire from the camaro community. the LS2 camaro idea is interesting, that would have been an awsome car...

hmm.. i actually remember a commercial about a specific GM Car. It was about the all-new Impala SS.

I Personally Have Never Seen A Camaro Comercial Since The 4 Years I've Been In This Country I Came To End Up Knowing About Them Because My Mom Bought A V6 From A Friend Of Hers. And Thanks To Her No Im A Camaro Fan.if Not Ill Problably Be A Mustang Fan Right Now But No Im Loyal To My Babies.

i own a third gen so im probably a bit partial, but i think that they were the best designs, but the downside is that most of them on the streets today are primered or beat to hell, so many people think of them of crappy cars. the funny thing is when somebody pulls up to race a "crappy car" and gets their ass kicked

I saw a Chevy comerical the yesterday for there new Avaro of something...Looks kinda like a Focus.

But I know, they dont advertise that much. I want to get some clay, make a modle car and be like...Hey, Chevy. Look what I did. why cant you? heh...

lol, its called a aveo, its a rebadged daewoo, its a korean peice of shit, dawoo actually folded, gm bought the company, and is selling the same cars, with bowties on them, seems like chevy just dosnt get it, i now am solid in my view that the camaro should stay dead, cuz at this rate, chevy dosnt have a prayer of bringing it back with any dignity.

That was my point in the begging. They have turned aganist us.

Chevy has a proud history. But I see a darkening future.

LMFAO. Yeah, i saw that Aveo commercial with it in the fish tank to make it look bigger..hm..a korean car (i myself am south korean) with the slogan "an american revolution" BWAHAHAHAHA

yea, that car is ugly, the import kids are gonna love it tho

I may be wrong... but I think GM just dumped all of its real American Muscles cars in lieu of the new Corvettes...

Don't get me wrong - I like corvettes... but for a new year of corvette...what do we sacrifice? Camaros and Trans Ams...

I think they should bring ONE of those back. Trans Ams just scream "Drive me fuckin' fast" and when you look at it sitting in a parking lot... you just know it's worth every penny you paid for it. (In this case, what my girlfriend paid for it... her car. 99 T-Top T/A... looks like I'm gonna have to swap out her auto for the 6spd and fully convert it to a WS6)

So, in short. Bring back either the TA or the Camaro and give us back our affordable muscle.

note: I'm a Nissan head :P

naw i dont think they would have done that...it was just business. the f-bodies werent sellin, it would have cost more to redesign from the ground up, so they dropped em and are coming out with the next big thing...

Quote: "they never should of made v6 camaros, or if they make v6 camaros, its better if the make inline-6s with turbos, or something to substitute the power they SHOULD have."

I happen to own a 97 camaro v6 5 speed. I am 17. The v6 camaro's have 200 stock horsepower. For a kid my age, who can't afford the insurance on a turbo charged v6 or lt1 or ls1 v8, 200 HP is A LOT. My car hauls ass. The v6 camaro was a good move by gm.

they should not bring back the camaro or the firebird/trans am. they'll completely destroy it. have you seen the new mustang gt? from 04 to 05, they raped it. i'm afraid that if gm redesigns the camaro/firebird/trans am, they'll do the same thing.

minority?... nope... not around here. and does the windshield really make it that much harder to work on?

Well, I think it is a matter of wether or not you want to put up with the hassles the windshield presents in lieu of possible alternatives. As an example:

I have a buddy with a 2002 WS6 Trans Am that he actually enjoys owning quite a bit. But, he has said he will never seriously modify the engine because it just isn't worth the hassle with the engine playing "peek-a-boo" on you under the windshield. And, before somebody says he isn't hard core he raced a sweet 69 camaro in cheap street until very recently...so he isn't a dummy.

He even mentioned that he had thought about trading it on a Cobra because the pony is easirer to wrench on. I was as shocked as anyone because this guy is GM to the core. So no, I don't think the windshield bit did you guys any favors for sure.

But, some of you guys seem to have lost all hope...don't. You GM guys have one big thing going for you right now...and his name is Lutz. Lutz is the shit when it comes to how to crank out a bad-ass car for cheap. If he can't get you your Camaro back and do it right...then maybe it really is gone.

Don't give up fella's, or you really wont get your car back. Mustang guys have had to fight to keep the Mustang two times now, and they made damn sure their complaints were heard until it was done. I don't think the Firebird will come back anytime soon no matter what, but the Camaro may be another story.

You gotta do it...if not for yourselves then for the Mustang guys. Otherwise, what in hell will I race when I get my 06 Mustang? Civics and 350Z's? No offense at all intended to the import tuner crowd, but screw those little wind up toys.....I want some affordable, American V-8 muscle to run against...and that sounds like a camaro to me. The new Goat could work, but it isn't gonna cut it against the special edition Mustangs unless the horsepower fairy shows up for Pontiac bigtime. And, it isn't a pony-car.

BTW, for the guy above who posted about his fear that any new Camaro would end up like the 05 Mustang. Ford did the best thing they could do with the 05 Mustang...they gave the vast majority of Mustang enthusiasts exactly what they want while still building a car that should sell well overall.

Maybe the new Camaro shouldn't be like the 05 Mustang with it's retro appeal and high zoot interior. But, it should be like the Mustang in one way....it should be whatever the majority of camaro enthusiasts want while still being a profitable car with good sales. In the end that is all that really matters

Well said yet again syr. I'm speachless.... How do yo follow up after a post like that.

syr, best post i have ever read on the subject...

by the by, i was watching the super bowl tonight and i saw a commercial for a single car line that we were saying chevy doesnt do and low and behold, it was for the acursed aveo. how disappointed i was...

lol, yeah i saw a single car ad, for the SSR, the one with all the kids with bars of soap in their mouths lol, that one was great. :) not as good as the farting horse though :)

oh and syr, very sage words, and i do admit that at times we seem to have lost all hope and that may be true, i do forget about lutz, but at the same time, actions speek louder than words, and the cars that GM has been pumping out, have not been anything to write home about, GM has majorly improoved the construction, interiors, and fit and finish of its new car line, but performance is still not a priority. the management was even discussing dropping the corvette, in spite of sales, untill the C5 was introduced and they were selling them faster than they could make them. i mean who would actually suggest killing the corvette?????? answer, GM. so while i have not given up hope, i do have strong doubts and fears as to GM's ability to bring back the car i love, without dragging its name through the mud. and in responce to your saying that we should make ourselves be heard, trust me, we have. i personally have put my name, and reasons for keeping the camaro on 7 petitions, and my name and reasons for bringing back the camaro on 3. i have emailed GM directly, and know of several friends of mine, with contacts high up in GM who have called people to inform them of the anger in the GM following for what they did. GM just dosnt seem to care. perhaps im bitter, perhaps im just angry about it and being to emotional, but thats how i see it. as much as i hate to write a contrary post to the one you wrote, because it was an excelent post illustrating several aspects of friendly competition and respect, i felt that these views should be expressed.

i guess you can say that gm is just playin the trends game. more and more people want small engine cars, that get good gas mileage, are easy to drive, and that they can fit all their kids in on the way to the soccer game. that really doesnt fit the description of a muscle car. i dont really blame them, theyre a business and thats what businesses do, they play the market. fords basically in the same spot, the only muscle car they have is the mustang (not counting the GT cause thats just a wicked super car). same thing is happening to all the manufacturers. corvette owners lucked out and we didnt, just lke the mustang guys lucked out cause they dont have to go out and buy a focus now...meh

Trends should die.

I was looking at this months Motor Trend (or road & track?) But, the new 05 Mustang looks VERY nice. Nicer then what i had orgioanlly seen. With its 20 inch rims, 2 tone top, and just.. ugly. The production version doesnt look as plasticy, comes with 18 inch rims (nicer), and is 1 solid color (except the stripes) I also actually like the stripes, it makes it look like a Cobra, considering it does look 60's

ok i have to agree with you on one thing the camaos 4th gen. was crappy unless you got a v8 i didnt really like theyre body style as much as i do the rest but the v8s you could get were pretty quick my friends stepdad had a 95 it had a lt1 350 that was converted to lt-4 it was quick as hell but also the irocs were one of the 3rd gen.s that were very quick i got my iroc for 1000 but thats cuz it needs work so far ive bought all high performance stuff for it i still am looking for high flow aluminum heads if n e one has n e they wanna sell contact me at [email protected] but when im done its not going to be n e thing like it was stock it should have lots of power for a 305 if not then i got a l98 out of an 86 vette ill build up next and throw it in there and sell the 305 but n e ways if u have n e aluminum heads contact me please

Yeah, V-6 F-bodies are crap.....http://www.fakeleg.com/videos/tiagodyno.wmv
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