Anti-Bush is NOT anti-American

It would seem that we have some vry narrow-minded people on this site.I'm getting rather tired of being called anti-American for my views on George W Bush.

There are many good and decent people in America,even among Republican supporters.They are justly proud of their country and its constitution,and have achieved great things as a nation.

What concerns me more,however is the tiny minority of xenophobic bigots who cannot handle criticism of any facet of their country.To them,it seems almost second nature to label anyone who objects to the war in Iraq as anti-American.Let me just spell it out for them.Had George Bush campaigned on a platform of invading Iraq,he would never have made it into power.Yet within weeks of his taking office,he began planning to invade and seize control of Iraq.The events of Sept 11 had nothing to do with his decision to depose Saddam,planning was already well under way.

I am unashamedly anti-Bush.He is a liar, a warmonger,and a vote rigger.That does not mean that I am anti-American,any more than any one of the millions of Americans who will vote against him at the next election.

To those who are determined to label me Anti-American,I say,for God's sake,get a life and start thinking for yourselves.Blind patriotism is no better than Islamic fundamentalism.


And to the pathetic little squirt who doesn't post in the political forums,but reported me to the moderators....that's me,by the way...that he wants me 'nuked' for what I have written there......

I suspect that you would have been more than welcome in the Hitler Youth Corps.if you don't like what I post,debate it like a man,or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Fucking A.

Nice post Naki.

May we know who the gutless wonder is? Or should that be kept confidential?

Uh..... ok, I would assume I'm the one (or one of the ones) you're referring to as 'them' on you being anti american, but I didn't report you to a Mod... ??? Even I'm not that much of an asshole, (and I'm a serious asshole). Hell I just got a warning to as a matter of fact. For a different post though.

Fucking A.

Nice post Naki.

May we know who the gutless wonder is? Or should that be kept confidential?

I'm hoping that the coward will step out from under his cuddly rug and face up like a man,but I doubt that he will.

There are many good and proper reasons for supporting a centre-right party.Unfortunately,the Republican party as it stands is not a centre-right party.If it takes a Democratic presidency to remove these cheats,liars and vote-riggers from power,then so be it.At least that would give the honest Republicans an opportunity to rid themselves of the extremists who head their ranks.

Very good post.
I think a lot of you out there are forgetting that our country (I live in japan, but am an American. I vote, own property and pay my taxes just like all other citizens) is based upon the principal that we choose our own government. It is called DEMOCRACY for all those who fell asleep because social studies was the class right after lunch, and it is hard to think with a full belly.
It had been a long time, in my opinion, since the US has had a president that is worthy of the office. The last few presidents have been tainted by scandal, started wars, changed the very policies they campaigned under as soon as they got into office, and probably much much worse.
And you know what? If you are bitching and haven't voted (provided you are old enough to vote), then shut the fuck up. You can't change anything if you don't vote.
Bush IS a shitty president. So was Clinton. Keep going back, and you will notice that all of our presidents are tainted and have been for some time. This is because money buys votes. Votes determine presidencies.
Unfourtunately, things don't look like they are going to get any better with the next batch of candidates. If you followed the last debate, it was very low on substance and high on sniping. Can you imagine a racist president? I can. I saw what he would look like on live TV.
God Bless the USA. And, please help it too.

cruiser, we know it wasn't you. We know who it was, now we wait.

Great post Naki, summed it up perfectly.

yeah I got to go with you on this one for sure. I'm anti-Bush mostly because he started this war in Iraq and we are still in a war with them...WHY is it that we are still there? We have Saddam, we've bombed the everliving crap out of them, we've killed tons of thier people and they have rightfully deffended and killed our people. War normally does very little in accompishing things and usually creates even more problems when it's over than if there was no war at all. It seems foolish that we are still there and all it's really doing is making Bush look like a tyrant a**hole who's just out to rule the world and show all the rest of the world that the U.S it hot s*** and everyone else is just a pawn that we can take out and will if they ever do something we don't like. It's pretty sad, but I suppose it will never change because people have protested pretty much every war since the beginning of time but we still do it. I guess living in peace and talking out disagreements would just be to easy.

Be anti-Bush. I'm not, but so what? I think that if Gore made it to the top, we'd be in a bad way. He wears more make-up than his whore wife Tipper. How could he stand up to Al-Qaeda? He's a fuckin' split tail-painty waist. Anyways, Bush did make it. That's why we have the electoral college. Not vote riggers. We didn't go to Iraw to seize control of their wonderful country, we went there to get Saddam the fuck off of his pedestal. Have you all forgotten what he did to the Kurds? Or to his own people southe of Baghdad? Fuck him. He had to go. I just wish that G.W. hadn't said anything about the WMDs. If he didn't no liberals would have anything to bitch about. Look at the losses, we've lost less people "seizing control" of two countries in two years than we did in Nam in the same time getting nothing done. So please don't bring up the 60s. Those guys fought hard and strong and God bless them for doing it. As far as canter-right, what good is appeasement? If you feel conviction for a reason, then stick with it. Weather you're liberal or conservative, do your thing. Holler

NOBU

We didn't go to Iraw to seize control of their wonderful country, we went there to get Saddam the fuck off of his pedestal.

Maybe Saddam should've toppled Bush from his pedestal. From some point of view, all leaders could be found corrupt in some way, but countries like to ignore the corruptness and wrong-doing of their own leaders.
Saddam isn't the only dictator, he's not the only leader who violates human rights (hell, the U.S. doesn't even agree with the international code of human rights either! - but that's another story), nor is he the only leader to be suspected of having WMDs.
Bush just needed a leader, who was way more lousy than himself to pick on... :icon16: O.K. but seriously now folks, the war in Iraq was not just to get rid of a dictator, because the big ol' USA wanted to be "nice" to the people of Iraq (by blowing up their country, but in the long run it's most certainly better)
And he's probably looney, being that he wants to go to Mars. That's not to say he's horrible, rotten president, more like a mediocre sequel to his father, who was already a mediocre president.

I love my country, but that doesn't mean I have to praise those who run it!

Edit: also about what Saddam did to the kurds. Do you know what Pol Pot did to the people of his country? He makes Saddam look like a tofu-dictator-low-fat substitute. You also know what? The U.S. gave him support, by encouraging China to give him weapons to fight against the vietnamese (and also to kill his own people with)
So at least you could say that Bush isn't handing out weapons to mass murderers (that's one thing he's got going for him)

Agreed times 10 Naki; Im not a fan of Bush, but Im not anit-american either.

Being anti-bush does not mean you are anti-american.

Being anti-american does not mean you are anti-bush either.

There's lots to dislike about the way that america deals with the rest of the world. But it's a byproduct of being the most powerful economic and military power in the world. It's really hard not to be self-interested, arrogant, imperialist and a bully when there is nothing to restrain your actions.

During the cold war, we had two superpowers in a stalemate where the other effectively provided a restraint on the other's actions. So we had Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc

In the brave new world, we have a self-appointed sheriff who believes he holds the moral high ground to dictate how the rest of the world acts. And we get punitive actions when Canada, France and Germany dissent.

I think the US does a reasonably good job with its responsibilities in this brave new world - not every one is going to agree, I certainly don't agree with the recent military action but the US has to admit that sometime the US does do things that make them unpopular or even hated...

It's a tough job being a self-appointed vigilante.

Bush's agenda to date has been self-serving and absolutely transparent to anyone with a scrap of common sense. He's a politician, people! One who did not win the popular vote, at that. He desperately needed the confidence and united support of a divided nation. What could he, A POLITICIAN, do to appease the voters?

Tax cuts? Here you go. We'll slash em! Happy now? :loser:

9-11 gave him the opportunity to play Texas cowboy. War can make leaders immortal- unless they are mentally retarded in their approach and devoid of reason. He alienated half of the goddamned civilized world to pursue a petty personal vendetta. But Saddam had weapons of mass destruction! :loser:

Oh, and want to travel to distant planets a la JFK? We'll go to Mars! People like space- that ought to please em! :loser:

The guy is out of control and a fool to boot. My best friend in the world is off fighting radical Islamic mental patients and class-A ingrates in some third world country so this jackass could swing votes. Meanwhile my country is in masive debt again because of this war and he wants to take a spin to fu**ing MARS! The economy is in the toilet- people have lost millions. How can ANYONE defend this man after the massive amount of damage he has done? Republicans would rather go down with the ship than admit to his nincompoopery? It is BECAUSE I love this country, that I despise Bush. Wake up a**holes! :banghead: I couldnt give two sh*ts who is elected as the next President, as long as he is OUT. :swear:

"Being anti-bush does not mean you are anti-american.

Being anti-american does not mean you are anti-bush either.

There's lots to dislike about the way that america deals with the rest of the world. But it's a byproduct of being the most powerful economic and military power in the world. It's really hard not to be self-interested, arrogant, imperialist and a bully when there is nothing to restrain your actions.

During the cold war, we had two superpowers in a stalemate where the other effectively provided a restraint on the other's actions. So we had Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc

In the brave new world, we have a self-appointed sheriff who believes he holds the moral high ground to dictate how the rest of the world acts. And we get punitive actions when Canada, France and Germany dissent.

I think the US does a reasonably good job with its responsibilities in this brave new world - not every one is going to agree, I certainly don't agree with the recent military action but the US has to admit that sometime the US does do things that make them unpopular or even hated...

It's a tough job being a self-appointed vigilante."

That has to be one of the best political posts I've read in any forum or in any book. Bravo! (I'm not being sarcastic)

You're right. I had totally forgotten about the end of the Cold War being a factor for just what is affecting the U.S. foriegn policy so strangely. The U.S. during the Cold War actively consolidated bases around the world, manipulated foriegn governments to achieve favorable movements against the U.S.S.R. and poured fortunes into the military in order to offset the U.S.S.R.

Now, there isn't any reason to do all that anymore. The Cold War has been over for more than a decade. The U.S. has bases all over the world that don't have any reason for existing anymore, (Eastern Europe?) and a huge military that has to be justified for existing, (hence, probably why it's used so much). The U.S. pre-WW2 was more of an isolationist country and didn't really involve itself with world affairs militarily, then, right after WW2 ended the Cold War began and the U.S. never stepped down it's military or world political stance like it mostly had after WW1. Now that the Cold War is over, I wonder why the administration acts like it's still here. It's time they get with the times, U.S. foreign policy seems to be outdated by about 20-25 years or more. I hope they wise up soon on foriegn matters at least.

Naki, you are absolutely correct. I love my country, but I really dont like george. Well, this year will hopefully be his last year in office, and then the U.S. will hopefully get a new president who may be able to make the situation in Iraq somewhat better.

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And yes I vote.

I'm actually very supportive of Bush. I think he's done a good job, but our constitution does say we have our freedom of speech. Just because someone doesn't like Bush or what he's done, they aren't anti-american. That's just stupid.

Mr. Taranaki, i could not agree with you more.
Although Im not yet old enough to vote, i still understand what goes on in the system.

blah blah blah where the FUCK are the nuclear weapons??

and hes FUCKING pissed about how SADDAM was treating his people?? so thats why he went after??

why the FUCK DOES NOT HE GO after IRAN then?? ever scince '79 the country has A RELIGION, .
NO country should have a religion,, they KIL AND BEAT U FOR NO REASON IN IRAN, why BUSHY dont go after them?

is it why we giva him da oil for so cheap ??

bush is a FUCK....but we cannot argue, as EVRY GOVERNMENT/POLICE SYSTEM is CORRUPT in the world

CEPT for CANADA's

canada is liek the best peacefuol country lets all move there please, canada and new zealand

why the FUCK DOES NOT HE GO after IRAN then?? ever scince '79 the country has A RELIGION, .
NO country should have a religion,, they KIL AND BEAT U FOR NO REASON IN IRAN, why BUSHY dont go after them?

Possibly because, the U.S. sort of helped already ruin that country? In the early 50's, Iran's leaders decided that they wanted their economy to be more independent from Britain's and the USA, so they sought to nationalize their oil companies. Had they been able to make their own choice with what they could do with their own country, they'd probably be in a much, much better economic state right now.
But the U.S. and England had too much invested in Iran's oil at the time, so they threw out the countries leader (claiming his idea for nationalization of oil, was a "communist" threat)
And, what do you know? They lost control of their own natural resources. Don't you hate it when the big, rich countries, bully on the smaller ones?

Hmmm sounds sort of familiar, doesn't it? Let's see here, replace "communist" with "terrorist" and "Iran" with "Iraq" change the story about the oil, a little bit and... what do you know? History repeats itself!

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That's great..........I think :confused:



Anyway, most people here know my views on Bush and America, fucked if I'm going to the effort to retype them.............

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If i hate bush that doesnt mean u are Anti-american



bush is just a moron in control now

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*makes chicken noises ;)*

[QUOTE=Diesel2NR]I'm actually very supportive of Bush. I think he's done a good job, but our constitution does say we have our freedom of speech. Just because someone doesn't like Bush or what he's done, they aren't anti-american. That's just stupid.[/QUOTE

You sure we've been living in the same country the past couple of years? :lol:

RSX-S777, I'm not going to get into a political argument in the stress release forum, but I don't blame the economy on Bush, but rather Clinton. Bush wasn't in office long enough to cause everything that happened. Bush came in at a bad time and he's doing his best to protect us. That's all I have to say.

ok :lol:

:smokin: I'm glad some people can drop an arguement.

Anyways, any word from the "offender" that cause the spawning of this thread?

:smokin: I'm glad some people can drop an arguement.

Anyways, any word from the "offender" that cause the spawning of this thread?

Believe me, I would love nothing more than to continue. However, my brand of debate in certain instances such as these, as well as my occasionally imprudent "word choice" are frowned apon by the Moderators. And so, out of respect for the rules, I digress... :sunglasse

.....omg.... A forum full of liberals....... and i dont even see how most of you can comment on Bush when you dont even live here. Bush hasn't done much, not even in the polls either really. But he is a strong leader who has guided this country through some rough times...And i'm sure it wasn't easy digging this country out of the mess that Clinton left us in. All in all i think Bush has done a decent job, he wont go down as the greates President in our country(not by a long shot) but he's done his job.. And whoever said that maybe saddam should have taken bush off his pedastol :thefinger You're obviously a supporter of Howard Dean :rolleyes: who said that he doesn't think we should be so quick to judge Bin Laden on the 911 attacks, when in fact Bin Laden was bragging about it......*sighs* Liberals

I guess though i should follow my sig and respect everyones opinions.. :rolleyes:

.....omg.... A forum full of liberals....... and i dont even see how most of you can comment on Bush when you dont even live here. :

Do feel free to explain why failing to live in the USA precludes us the right to an opinion.President Bush is without doubt the most influential person in the world [for better or for worse],and his actions affect us all.

I've already made it very clear what I think of Bush,but if you insist that he is 'digging this country out of the mess that Clinton left us in',take a look at the state of your country's finances.Take a look at the Patriot Act.Take a look at his zany ideas to establish a pointless presence on the moon.Take a look at the international value of the dollar.


You are right,he will not go down as one of the greats.The sooner he goes down though,the better.For the whole world.

.Had George Bush campaigned on a platform of invading Iraq,he would never have made it into power.Yet within weeks of his taking office,he began planning to invade and seize control of Iraq.The events of Sept 11 had nothing to do with his decision to depose Saddam,planning was already well under way.



I don't really care about the rest of the stuff you said in your post. Whether you are anti American or or anti Bush or not makes no difference to me.You are what you are.

I do have a question on the comment above though.

How do you know he was planning it all along? Because of some other politicians accusations? Please explain. Maybe I missed the story on this in the news.

I've already made it very clear what I think of Bush,but if you insist that he is 'digging this country out of the mess that Clinton left us in',take a look at the state of your country's finances.Take a look at the Patriot Act.Take a look at his zany ideas to establish a pointless presence on the moon.Take a look at the international value of the dollar.

THE END...

I hope "we" arent blindly defending Bush because he is a Republican and "we" share the same religious beliefs??? :eek7: (I'm seeing AF topical patterns- perhaps I'm mistaken) The facts speak for themselves- he is a wreckless, subpar President. Btw, that budget surplus Bush inherited was a very difficult issue to wrestle with. DAMN YOU CLINTON! :lol:

"'digging this country out of the mess that Clinton left us in',take a look at the state of your country's finances."

Actually I don't think that was either presidents fault. Back when Clintons last term was ending, the .com crash was around and years of American citizens spending on borrowed money was due to start an economic downturn. It was only a matter of time, Bush just happened to be the one there when the shit hit the fan.

"Take a look at the Patriot Act"

Actually, they just need to reform that bill a little, maybe not at all, I don't know too many specifics about it. I do know that security was just not there for our borders before that act passed, though I don't know how much it has improved security since then.

"Take a look at his zany ideas to establish a pointless presence on the moon."

Actually thats a great idea. Sending outdated shuttles up to do lame assed experiments and just orbit the Earth alone at an obscene fuel cost, now THAT is 'Zany'. Since the last Moon landing the space program has not really had any goals at all, running around with no mission. Which is probably why it's been such a money drain and what was once considered important, (space exploration), is now considered, 'Zany'. This is a good way to get the space program back up to date and on its feet again, they now have a goal and a mission.

"Take a look at the international value of the dollar."

That actually has good points and bad points. Some of the good points are that since dollars are worth less, anything we export, (american made), is cheaper in a foreign country, while anything imported is more expensive here. Less imports more exports, sounds good doesn't it? A bad thing though is that it gives foriegn companies opportunities to buy up property here at a better rate than before and halts our companies, or at least slows them down, from buying out stuff on foriegn soil. So it has benefits and drawbacks.

Sounds like excuses and "fuzzy logic" to me...but what do I know...I'm not a Republican.

"Sounds like excuses and "fuzzy logic" to me...but what do I know...I'm not a Republican."

And you accuse Republicans of ignoring any logic and just blowing off any arguments made against them?

And you accuse Republicans of ignoring any logic and just blowing off any arguments made against them?

Sounds about right to me! Bush flipped the bird at the U.N.,then had the brass balls to go back and ask for their help.

On a side issue,cruiser, if you are going to quote people,try using the 'reply w/quote' link,it makes things much clearer. :smile:

On a side issue,cruiser, if you are going to quote people,try using the 'reply w/quote' link,it makes things much clearer. :smile:

Well fuckin A! I was wondering how the hell you do that... :/ Well I feel like a fucking retard right about now... time to argue with another Democrat! That'll make me look smarter... :D

I don't really care about the rest of the stuff you said in your post. Whether you are anti American or or anti Bush or not makes no difference to me.You are what you are.

I do have a question on the comment above though.

How do you know he was planning it all along? Because of some other politicians accusations? Please explain. Maybe I missed the story on this in the news.


Well?

I for one will vote for Bush again! Does that rile you guys up? Or should I vote for a pussy who hides behind his wife's skirt like Gore? Gore is still whining to this day about losing the election I say get a life and quit crying like a little pussy. Clinton was an idiot who was scared to make a decision right or wrong! He was more interested in screwing anything with a hole.

And now the UN the Un was founded by the Americans! It is a dues paying club that most of the dues comes from my taxes! Other countries refuse to pay their bill yet they want the right to meddle and complain! get a life, pay what you owe and then you can open your mouth until then shut up.

In the begining Bush wanted the help of the UN but they wanted nothing to do with us. Now fast forward we are in Iraq wanting the UN to come help out and the UN will come on one condition that the UN takes over the whole mission with America being a small part of the plan but we must supply most of he money, soliders, and aid! Get a life UN maybe its time the UN had its doors padlocked for good because they are a bunch of powerless pussies!

Well?

Sorry,missed your post.

Actually,it was George himself that admitted it.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1056578/posts

I for one will vote for Bush again! Does that rile you guys up? Or should I vote for a pussy who hides behind his wife's skirt like Gore? Gore is still whining to this day about losing the election I say get a life and quit crying like a little pussy. Clinton was an idiot who was scared to make a decision right or wrong! He was more interested in screwing anything with a hole.

And now the UN the Un was founded by the Americans! It is a dues paying club that most of the dues comes from my taxes! Other countries refuse to pay their bill yet they want the right to meddle and complain! get a life, pay what you owe and then you can open your mouth until then shut up.

In the begining Bush wanted the help of the UN but they wanted nothing to do with us. Now fast forward we are in Iraq wanting the UN to come help out and the UN will come on one condition that the UN takes over the whole mission with America being a small part of the plan but we must supply most of he money, soliders, and aid! Get a life UN maybe its time the UN had its doors padlocked for good because they are a bunch of powerless pussies!

Flatrater for President. I've always wanted to lose my life in a nuclear war...

"Flatrater for President. I've always wanted to lose my life in a nuclear war..."

Hey, at least it would clear out washington DC! :D

"...And now the UN the Un was founded by the Americans! It is a dues paying club that most of the dues comes from my taxes! Other countries refuse to pay their bill yet they want the right to meddle and complain! get a life, pay what you owe and then you can open your mouth until then shut up..." Flatrater

Well actually... the US has OWED the UN a chunk of wad for a long time - in fact the US Congress had to pass the Helms-Biden Agreement to pay the cash it owed to the UN ie $926 million in three installments which took nearly four years to secure.

And Ted Turner paid $31m to help secure an agreement for new assessment rates for the US which was a condition of the payment of the Helms-Biden agreement.

So if the truth be told, the US owed the greatest amount to the UN in history, took nearly four years to pay it, threatened the financial stability of the UN and its operations including peacekeeping operations throughout the globe... and you have the glorious indignation to cry "put up or shut up!"

Another uppercut to logic at the expense of misguided rhetoric and ideology - I mean it was an American who came up with "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story..."

i agree naki, bush is a terrible president. Here is the best essay against bush:

www.theboywhocriediraq.com

that is the best editorial i've read ever, it's long but great.

Well Flatrater, I can see where you're coming from on the UN telling the US what to do, (unfortunately replicant beat me to it in politely correcting you on the paying our dues matter), especially since, Replicant, the USs dues to the UN are ONE FULL QUARTER of the UN budget. You wanna talk bullshit? If we pay 1/4 of the UNs salary, yet only get 1 vote, we shouldn't have to put up with any shit from them.

Justacruiser, that's a fair point to make about the funding of the UN. But I'd make the following observations:

- The US agreed to the assessment of funding in the first place then chose to renege;

- Ted Turner, a private citizen of the US spent $31m to help pay for the reassessment of the dues as part of the Helm-Bidens agreement;

- Just because someone pays more doesn't always mean that they get to make all the calls. The US constitution enshrines the principles of democracy - one man, one vote. If we took your US to UN example, the US would be run by the wealthiest people (sorry it already is...)

- The whole point about having consensus is that every country gets to have a say. It's been one of the few successes that most countries have some respect for the UN and its mission even during the cold war. It may be considered a toothless entity by some but the humanitarian and peacekeeping operations have restored hope and order in places that the US chooses to ignore eg East Timor, Solomons, parts of the African continent etc. It's also been at the forefront of aid work, observing the conduct of the democratic elections all over the world (esp after the end of communist rule) and been instrumental in trying to maintain dialogue during conflicts.

The US doesn't have to agree with the UN all the time but it's a mark of its relative independence in decision making and policy that countries disagree with it. Otherwise it would simply be seen by some as some puppet instrument of US imperialism.

Sorry,missed your post.

Actually,it was George himself that admitted it.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1056578/posts


I kind of figured that's what happened. No need to appoligize.


That story was about planning a regime change. Not planning a war.
We have been planning a regime change in Cuba for years but there has been no war there. Same goes with North Korea. Although a war in NK may be the only way to get rid of him. Hopefully it won't come to that though.

Lots of posts here make me laugh :lol: The thin skinned whining about the thin skin of others. Great stuff :lol:

A whole lot of whining going on. I'm going to be quite amused after Nov 2 at the sputtering that will occur by the anti-bush crowd. Sometimes hatred can be a funny thing. :rofl:













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Yeah, they are pretty good about giving aid to countries, seems the UN has become kinda the welfare dept. of the world. Still bullshit that our dues are that much though, whoever agreed to pay that much probably did so just to encourage other countries to join originally, 'go ahead and join! we're paying for most of it so you don't have to worry about the cost!' Definitely time to review that bill.

im still waiting for the nuclear weapons that bush said saddam held.....

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I like maddox

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I kind of figured that's what happened. No need to appoligize.


That story was about planning a regime change. Not planning a war.
Sorry,but how else do you think such a thing would happen?Perhaps George was planning to link up with Saddam in the AF political forum and ask him politely to step down?


We have been planning a regime change in Cuba for years but there has been no war there.

And no regime change either.

Same goes with North Korea.

ditto.

'Regime change' is government weasel-speak for invasion.Put Bush back in for another term,he'll kill a lot more American soldiers.

im still waiting for the nuclear weapons that bush said saddam held.....
You and me both...

Sorry,but how else do you think such a thing would happen?Perhaps George was planning to link up with Saddam in the AF political forum and ask him politely to step down?



And no regime change either.



ditto.

'Regime change' is government weasel-speak for invasion.Put Bush back in for another term,he'll kill a lot more American soldiers.

How else? Sanctions. You guys know all about sanctions.

No change in Cuba is true. What would be the point now? What is Cuba now but a rock off the coast that everyone wants to get off.

NK? It aint over yet.

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Sorry,but how else do you think such a thing would happen?Perhaps George was planning to link up with Saddam in the AF political forum and ask him politely to step down?



And no regime change either.



ditto.

'Regime change' is government weasel-speak for invasion.Put Bush back in for another term,he'll kill a lot more American soldiers.


Oh yeah, i'm sure that's exactly what Bush has wanted all along.. To kill as many American soldiers as he can :rolleyes:
The fact is that even though 42% of the country doesn't want him back in power 58% does in the latest poll. And i think the numbers for people opposed to the war were a lot lower than his approval rating. You think Bush is bad, you should hear some of the stuff Howard Dean has been talking about...He's a real winner :rolleyes: I really dont have a problem with Bush's moon plan either...I dont know why your complaining, it's not your tax dollars.

Polls don't mean shiite.
58% of people who were asked said that.NOT 58% of the country.Ask 100 people outside of a Shania Twain concert if they like either hot chicks or country music and GUESS WHAT I'm betting that 100% will say yes.Go to a Bush rally and ask if they like Bush.What you suppose the numbers will be?

The most vocal will always be heard the loudest naturally,but usually the loudest ones are nutjobs,fanatics,people desperate to get heard and push forth their own crap.It's been argued here before,but why do republicans seem to be so angry and hell-bent on getting their way at all cost when they already control everything political in the country?

And then this state of the onion address tonigh...pledging to give the american people what they really want,better healthcare,yada yada yada when they don't give two shakes of a donkey's dick about these issues.TAX CUT!!! That's all that matters.All those great new jobs for everyone!!!(look up the numbers on that one bucko).So,we'll cut taxes,improve health care,spend MORE on the military,beef up the Iraq "war",develop new sources of alternative energy(from a president who's family cash comes in large part due to OIL...hmmm),strengthen the moral fabric of the country by spending $130,000,000 to promote marriage....where's even a FRACTION of that money going to come from?I wonder...have they found oil on mars?

I realize it's totally paranoid and COMPLETELY implausible,and I hope to hell I'm wrong on this,but;

I keep having this vision of a large "terrorist" event happening before the next election.That would make it impossible to elect anyone other than the great saviour of your land,GWB.Please let me be completely wrong on this.Don't let the powers that be want this election so badly that they would do something like this.Things have to change,people,or shit like "1984"(read the whole book) could be on the way

Wow..exactly who were you calling the nutjobs and fanatics?

Polls don't mean shiite.
58% of people who were asked said that.NOT 58% of the country.Ask 100 people outside of a Shania Twain concert if they like either hot chicks or country music and GUESS WHAT I'm betting that 100% will say yes.Go to a Bush rally and ask if they like Bush.What you suppose the numbers will be?

The most vocal will always be heard the loudest naturally,but usually the loudest ones are nutjobs,fanatics,people desperate to get heard and push forth their own crap.It's been argued here before,but why do republicans seem to be so angry and hell-bent on getting their way at all cost when they already control everything political in the country?

And then this state of the onion address tonigh...pledging to give the american people what they really want,better healthcare,yada yada yada when they don't give two shakes of a donkey's dick about these issues.TAX CUT!!! That's all that matters.All those great new jobs for everyone!!!(look up the numbers on that one bucko).So,we'll cut taxes,improve health care,spend MORE on the military,beef up the Iraq "war",develop new sources of alternative energy(from a president who's family cash comes in large part due to OIL...hmmm),strengthen the moral fabric of the country by spending $130,000,000 to promote marriage....where's even a FRACTION of that money going to come from?I wonder...have they found oil on mars?

I realize it's totally paranoid and COMPLETELY implausible,and I hope to hell I'm wrong on this,but;

I keep having this vision of a large "terrorist" event happening before the next election.That would make it impossible to elect anyone other than the great saviour of your land,GWB.Please let me be completely wrong on this.Don't let the powers that be want this election so badly that they would do something like this.Things have to change,people,or shit like "1984"(read the whole book) could be on the way

Wow........You're crazy, did you stay up all night thinking of this?
People like you would hate any republican presidant,not just Bush...Obviously. And noone said Bush was our great saviour, just that he's a good president. Anyone see the Iowa caucuses(sp?), Howard Dean by any chance? That's what you have to look forward to if Bush loses....oh boy

yeah, thats the problem that we are going to face, no one decent is going to run up against bush, thats why he might win :(