Sad.....

It's so sad that McLaren F1's production was stopped after only around 100 were produced...
Anybody know what McLaren is up to?
Any new cars in their mind?

I know someone who works for the racing team. But he doesn't want to tell me anything so my guess is as good as yours.

where do you live?

McLaren doesn't have any plans to start any more production. However, they are building the Mercedes SLR, or so I've heard.

Yes, only 100 F1's were produced, although more in other trims (GT, LM,...) were made. Only 98 of those 100 remain. Wonderful, wonderful car.

However, their claim as the fastest production car has recently been challenged by a swedish manufacturer, Koenigsegg. Their CC claims a top speed around 241 mph, and a 0-60 of 3.1, one tenth of a second less than the McLaren.

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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

I believe there were 8 or 9 F1's bought into the US...in fact, a guy in Texas has two!

I don't like millionaires, unless they give me some of their money, that is.

;)

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I live in California but the person I told you about live somewhere in England.

http://www.mclarencars.com/V1/images/gallery/gall4big.jpg
Silver: Regular F1
Orange: LM model. Better aerodynamics.
Black: GT. Notice the long body (among other alterations)

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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

The McLaren F1 was designed by Peter Stevens. Just for comparison, vs a Lamborghini Diablo....
http://209.25.185.210/images-small/1999_lamborghini_diablo_sv-1.gif523 HP/446 ft lbs
3373 lbs
http://209.25.185.210/images-small/1997_mclaren_f1-1.gif
627 HP/480 ft lbs
2840 lbs


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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

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Does he have a Mercades Benz CLK GTR? This guy that used to live by me drove one. From what I hear it beats the McLaren F1 in all areas except for top speed. And it looks like it on spec sheets too.

You heard right (somewhat), Racer 20.
McLaren F1
http://209.132.49.149/images-large/1997_mclaren_f1-1.jpg
Top Speed 240.0 mph
0 - 30 mph 1.7 seconds
0 - 60 mph 3.4 seconds
0 - 100 mph 7.7 seconds
0 - ¼ mile 11.6 seconds

Mercedes CLK-GTR
http://209.132.49.149/images-large/1998_mercedes_benz_clkgtr-1.jpg
Top Speed 191.0 mph
0 - 30 mph 1.7 seconds
0 - 60 mph 3.4 seconds
0 - 100 mph 5.7 seconds
0 - ¼ mile 9.4 seconds

The differences here come basically from how they are geared. The McLaren is simply geared for higher speeds as opposed to better mid-range acceleration. The CLK-GTR's sixth isn't overdrive, whereas the F1's is.


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1 Corinthians 7:14


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That is too bad. I was unaware that the McLaren was no longer being produced.

I've never even heard of that Swedish manufacturer, Koenigsegg, or their CC with those outlandish performance numbers. Any body got any pictures or other information they'd like to share?

Check out the following link!!
http://209.25.185.210/SDBQ?y=2000&m=Koenigsegg&o=CC

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Koenigsegg is a real company.

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i read on some website on the mclaren f1 that some royalty diplomat in the middle east has 5 of them. if i can find the site, ill post it.

I'm not sure if he has 5, I thought it was three. It's the Sultan of Brunei. Oh, yeah, he's got a Ferrari 456 convertible, 456 wagon, 456 4-door, a Ferrari FX and a ton of other really sweet cars.

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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

Yeah, i remember there was an article about him in C&D around a year ago. That lucky bastard, he's a BILLIONAIRE for just being "Born", without any hard work. He has dozens of exotic cars, and his son has his own garrage, where all the exotics are the same dumb color....

must be nice to be born into that kinda money.....lol, now the guy needs to get one of those saleen s7's. if he doesent already have one

I don't think Dozens quite sums it up...it's more like hundred's of cars.

If he gets an S7, he'll probably get one..one in a different color...an S7R...then get a Mosler MT900, just to compare the two new US supercars. Jerk.

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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?image=images/305/full/Dscn7089.jpg

i found this pic on overboost.com from the Essen motor show in germany. this car is truely a work of art.

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Quote: andrew@af ( 11:57 pm on Dec. 13, 2000 )

Koenig is a real company.
yes, brilliant deduction. Ford is also a real company, but we're not talking about them...we're talking about Koenigsegg.

Andrew was probably just drinking a lil of http://www.keonig.de when he said that :) rich bastard j/k
yeah, the car company is http://www.koenigsegg.com
here are some pics if you're too lazy to go there ;)
http://www.koenigsegg.com/download/lowres/8_low.jpg
http://www.koenigsegg.com/download/lowres/4_low.jpg

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That car is AWESOME!!! I LOVE IT! In many ways it's even better than the F1 from McLaren. But I'd still rather be seated centerly at 200 mph instead of to the left or right. That's what I always liked about the F1.

McLaren's F1 was about more than speed. It was..and is...an engineering masterpiece. Everything about this car screams performance: the central seating, the roof scoop, the gold lining in the engine bay. I don't know that Koenigsegg has accomplished the same level of brilliance that McLaren has.

It's easy enough to build fast cars, but that's not all that goes into making them supercars.

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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

McLaren F1 is the Ultimate....... all others want to be like it, but can't reach the perfection.

I think the Koenigsegg leaves something to be desired. The styling is wonderful, but it just seems not right. For one, the rear rotors seem tiny! Yeah, the car isn't very heavy so 13" rotors aren't necessary, but come on! They're not even cross drilled or slotted! Secondly, I think those rims are just putrid. I'd say something like a 5-spoke or just spoke rims.

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1 Corinthians 7:14

You know what I was thinking? If you're ever falling off of the empire state building you should pretend like you're really limp. Someone on the ground might mistake you for a dummy and try and catch you. 'Cuz hey, free dummy!

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Floss: It just makes sense.

thank you for noticing my post anamoly were I mistakenly did not finish typing the word "Koenigsegg", let me rephrase:
Yes, thak you Jack for pointig out my flagrant mistake, I should be buried in the snow and be left to die! I meant to say Koenig AND Koenigsegg are a legitimate company. A major automotive magazine recently did a writeup on a Koenigsegg vehicle (I believe it was European Car, I cannot remember exactly, I receive six different subscriptions a month from different mags) Yes, Ford is also, thank you for pointing that out to my feeble unkowing mind, also. Feel free to pick apart any and all of my posts, I enjoy correcting my mistakes, it only makes me smarter:)

:D

Hey guys (and gals)..speaking of that Sultan of Brunei guy....I have that article. Did any of you read the part of how he resolved the issue of not enough space in his PALACE for his 100+ cars (many of them 1 of a kind, including a 3 million $ Ferrari!!). He pushed them in the dam OCEAN! :mad: Seeing that really pissed me off. What waste, and I bet the country's people are poor as dirt. And yes...he does have a CLK GTR (ony left hand drive in existence I hear (or is it right)). Anyways, I'm off topic...the McLaren F1 LM is one of the most beautiful cars (THINGS) ever made! However, I read an article a while back that said it hit 60 in Under 3 seconds and got to 100 in 5?? Who the hell was drivng it then? lol As far as top speed it is no longer the fastest, that goes to either the Corvette Sledghammer or the TVR Speed 12 . Not sure which, I'll get back to you. However, I can't think of too many cars as intimidating as the Almighty McLaren F1 LM. Someday..I shall own one...Too bad it's only gonna be on a video game! :( Oh well..you never know!!

Stupid Sultan......... :{

What is it with the crazy rich folk?!?! Did you know that once when Elvis Presley was bored, he climbed into a bull dozer and destroyed his guest cottage (I mean leveled it so that it was just a pile of rubble), again because he was BORED/to entertain guests?? Maybe having that much money is not such a good idea. :D

However, the Corvette (Callaway) Sledgehammer was never production, was it? I didn't think the Speed 12 was that fast. Sure, it has 800+ hp but it's a little overweight. Nonetheless, the F1 is simply undescribable. It's pure sex on wheels.

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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

Enzo: The TVR Speed 12 isn't overweight. Where did you here something like that?!!

I don't mean overweight as in heavy, I meant it in the sense that with more hp and torque than an F1 it doesn't equal performance. The only curb weight figs I've seen list it less than an F1 (don't remember the exact number), but I distrust that number.

I suppose I phrased my original post very poorly. Sorry.

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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

I understand what your saying know Enzo. Anyway... What about that Ferrari F60? It's supposed to be faster and better.

The F-50 GT was pretty darn close and the Koenig F-50 made the run to 60 in 3.0 sec!

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"Ferrari isn't a car, it's a lifestyle"
-Enzo Ferrari.

Isn't the Koenig also like $800,000 or something?

Regarding the Sultan of Brunei: He and his sons bought 2000(!) cars in 2-3 years. The Sultan said it must stop, and all teh cars that weren't sold (I assume he contacted a few companies, but if u wanted to buy, u just paid the money and waited for the car, no test drive). The cars that didn't sell, the SOB dumped into the ocean
Anyway, the citizens of Brunei get anything they want (the hire people to tend to their oil wells), so everyone is a millionaire. Yes, it sucks not to be born there.
The Ferrari F60 will only just exceed 200mph, due to aerodynamic considerations (high speed stability is a high priority), but it will have awsome acceleration.

Long the McLaren F1!!

The Sultan also had about 3 XJR15s and 6 Dauers, not to mention Cizetas, and the only 3 road legal Ferrari Mythos supercars. He also had Bentley Java, and was offered the Ferrari F50 bolide but turned it down....He also reportedly turned down a Vector.

http://www.supercars.net/SDBQ?y=1994&m=Dauer&o=962%20LeMans
I would be happy with just that.

The f1 does 0-60 in 3.2 and 0-100 in 6.3. There were 76 road cars made and 24 race cars made. My source for this info is Autoweek. While other cars may beat it top speed wise, tech wise there is nothing anywhere near it. It has a modoem communicates with the factory if anything goes wrong in any of the systems to try and fix it. Also, when u slam on the brakes, a fin will pop up on the back of the trunk to double the downforce. This will keep the front from doing a nose dive and keep the stopping power equal to all four wheels. I dont wanna type anything more than that for now cause I'm getting tired. Believe me I know more than this about the F1.

Wow. Thats a lot of info that I did not know. I once saw a special on this car on the Discovery Channel. I fell in love with it then:).

I think the fin is used as an airbrake to add more drag to it to slow it down faster, and help to get the tail planted. There is not much street car can beat it top speed wise, at least not that I know of. IMO it's the ultimate street machine.....not the best race car, but definetely the best street car....

Yeah that is another that happens with the fin but it was designed to increase downforce to keep the nose from moving. Does anyone have any idea how much a muffler cost? Well it costs $17,600!!! It's made out of titanium and is so big that it can be considered a crumple zone. This next one people might know. What material is around teh engine to improve cooling? Well its gold believe it or not.

ive also seen a ferrrari f40 gt with gold mufflers! cool but expesive.

Time for some quick facts:

The Sultan of Brunei is the richest man in the world through inheiritance.

The F1 has 50k worth of Gold Plating as stated before. It is not thick it's gold foil like on the outside of Spacecraft becase it has very good heat deflection properties.

One of the F1's that is no longer in existance is Rowan Atkinson's aka Mr. Bean, he crashed it in London a year ago.

i think this car is by far the best car in the world.. forget the clk-gtr with its 1.5 mil price tag ill take a 2.9 sec 0-60 over a 3.4 one with 500 grand less anyday :) not that i will ever even come close to getting one but you know.. umm mclaren actually has a new car coming.. forgot the specs tho.. i know bill gates has a red one.. bastard :)

McLaren has a new car coming? Are you sure? Where can I hear more about this? I know that McLaren is going to be collaborating with MB for the Vision SLR (I believe McLaren is building the engine for it), but I have always heard that they have no plans for any more production cars.

I'm not doubting you, or trying to prove you wrong, I would just really like to hear more about this because a new McLaren would be really really exciting for me.

I would be pissed about it unless it was faster and better looking than the new 406km/h Buggatti. Oh ya, it has to be better than the original F1 too.

rich people these days lol j/k.. if i tell you and you get one you have to take me for a ride in it :)... well i heard about the vision slr engine build but i coulda swore i heard another project from them.. ill research it for ya and get back to you..

Awesome, thanks.

nothing yet but few more peeps to talk to and i havent even begun online yet :).. no prob

Has anyone here seen the McLaren realtime?

Are you talking about the video where it makes a Veilside Supra look like a Geo metro with square wheels?

Ahmm . . . actually, I meant in real life . . . not in print or on television . . .

but that sounds VERY INTERESTING Enzo, care to share?

Its in the car comparisions section, Supra vs. McLaren. It is pretty amusing. The little nip in his Supra is screaming in agony. Ha ha ha.:D

If you have millions of dollars and can throw cars in the ocean you should be
dragged off and shot :smoka:

The Sultan has, ahem, billions, like about 15 of them. Yes, for his automotive crimes, he should be dragged off and shot. Sigh.:rolleyes: