Nissan Skyline R34 gt-r v-spec 2 vs. Ferrari 360 modena

every GTR comparison always ends up to us saying how much we just wish we had one of these cars HAHAHA

how much torque are these 1000 and 1600 hp skylines pulling?

as i saw a quote from someone "hp sells parts, torque wins races"
i can generate 700 hp with my hand right now. Not for very long, mind you. P=w/t Im interested in how much work the engine can do it, not how fast.

I'm sure they make quite a bit of torque. Probably 800+.

Anyway, back to the beginning of this comparo (i got in late :)), I'd take the Prancing horse any time.

Originally posted by Steel
how much torque are these 1000 and 1600 hp skylines pulling?

as i saw a quote from someone "hp sells parts, torque wins races"
i can generate 700 hp with my hand right now. Not for very long, mind you. P=w/t Im interested in how much work the engine can do it, not how fast.

I think the HKS GT-R was pullin somewere around 1,100 f/lbs of torque. Not completely sure on that though...

Enough mind boggling numbers already.....if I had over 205lbs of torque in my car I would have killed myself by now

205lbs of torque???!!!!!!!.....you would have killed yourself by now?...i think your mistaken...205 lbs of torque is nothing!

actually your wrong

it is 205lbs of torque. Nothing would be zero, does that help clarify for you, or are you really bad at math.

im sorry..let me specify for the simple minded.....205 lbs of torque is something for a sissy...but for people who have driven more powerful cars..its nothing, nothing as in very little mind you


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I was mocking you, i guess the simple minded dont know when they are being insulted. anyways 205lbs is plenty of torque for a daily driven car, as for you and your camaro's which have a low reliabilty rating, I am sure you enjoy their torque =) As well as what they help you cover up :D

Originally posted by JBL85
I think the skyline is better handling.... What makes you think this way.

I like Ferrari's very much. Ive never seen a Skyline GTR, any of them.. Everytime i see a Ferrari, my heart jumps. I just think its the Prestige of owning a Ferrari that makes me attracted to them. But what i hear of skylines is there badass. I wouldnt mind any of them in the end..

Originally posted by Steel
how much torque are these 1000 and 1600 hp skylines pulling?

as i saw a quote from someone "hp sells parts, torque wins races"
i can generate 700 hp with my hand right now. Not for very long, mind you. P=w/t Im interested in how much work the engine can do it, not how fast.

The 1028 hp Croydon GTR here in New Zealand laid down 1380nm of torque or 1017.834 flbs of torque at all 4 wheels. I am unsure of what the HKS Drag car threw but will be going over to my mates house who has the article in High Performance Imports.

Nissan Gloria is a Q45 Looking thing, its actually even in AF for a Forum, but the thing can be beefed up to 800HP in its 2.6L inline 6 with 2 turbos. It will do 200+mph

Higher cornering speed doesn't mean better handling.

Originally posted by F20C
Higher cornering speed doesn't mean better handling. :huh:

One would think that a car that is capable of higher cornering speeds would have better handling.

Originally posted by Razorgtst
:huh:

One would think that a car that is capable of higher cornering speeds would have better handling.

It adds to the handling dept. A car that gets more g's or goes through the slalom faster than the other wouldn't exactly make that car faster on the track, or even on the road.

I've been searching for the element that makes a car handle better for all my life (or at least the first time I got in a go-cart...). I've come to this conclusion. The key element in making a car handle better is......


The driver.
:rolleyes:
Yes indeed.
:licker:

For example:
Most compact car guys would feel out of place in a modern 'musclecar' like a Ford Mustang GT, or Camaro Z28. But if the GT or Z28 driver mastered his/her car and hops in a sport compact, they will push the car to it's limits, and get a minor thrill, but nothing too exciting. I've seen it all the time. Camaro drivers hop in a Celica or whatever and aren't impressed.

The Skyline GT-R is a wonderfull machine but it's full of trickery...


Makes you wonder if these F1 drivers would still be super sharp and skillful if their cars were striped of all of their electronic handling...umm.... stuff.

I've been in a few cars than can acheive 1 g force on the skid pad with just a few simple mods but that won't nessisarily make them faster than a 360 Modena around the corners.
:)

No disrespect to any Skyline fans or owners out there, but I think its laughable to choose a Skyline over a Ferrari. ANY Ferrari.

JBL85> the ferrari interior is ugly????? well, i guess its a matter of taste so thats fine but i would gladly bet that 95% of people would disagree with that statement. But "calling the 360 a preppy girl's race car"???? are you insane? TatII also seems to think that the 360 is not a car the hardcore sports enthusiast would drive but both of you couldnt be further from the truth. sure there are many people, who as you said it, think theyre "the shit" when they drive around in a 360, but well, who wouldnt? i bet you feel pretty good when youre driving behind the wheel of a Skyline, so think about what it must be like to be behind the wheel of the prancing horse.. the snarling sound coming from right behind you as you squeeze that throttle. anyway, thats not the point. the truth is that the real driver's car out of these 2 is the ferrari. no question about it. it communicates with the driver in a way that the skyline can only dream of. this is simply due to the fact that the skyline drives itself, to a certain extent of course. get the back out of shape at high speed, and the car sorts it out for you. in the ferrari, get the back out of shape and you better be sure youre gonna catch it. last time i checked, sports enthusiast drivers, or whatever you want to call them, are people who get behind the wheel for a challenge, for something that will make them work for their reward. this is what makes a sports car. speed is also a factor in the equation, but the essential element of a sports car is that it communicates with the driver, and that his/her minute inputs are reflected in the way the car behaves. the 360 does this. a GT3 does this even more. A Skyline doesnt always do this. in the skyline the car takes over from the driver. thats not what driving is about. Driving is about pleasure, and while pleasure can be derived from speed, it is mainly achieved from self-satisfaction. if you drive the 360 on the edge, YOU are doing this. i dont want to insult the skyline owners by saying that anyone could drive a skyline fast, as it isnt true, but it's much easier to drive the Skyline fast than the Ferrari. Therefore, the Ferrari is the true driver's car. Add to that the following, and the contest is over
* the sound of that engine: horny :D
* its looks (not a classically beautiful ferrari but far superior to Skyline)
* that interior
* prestige. it is a ferrari, after all.

Game over. Ferrari wins

Originally posted by RazorGT
One would think that a car that is capable of higher cornering speeds would have better handling.

Higher cornering speeds are all good but im sure youll agree that the car also has to provide enough feedback to generate confidence in the driver as it does this. Electronics dont always achieve that, IMO

cheers,
jay

F20C
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Thats why I did to avoid his comments =)

True dat, though I think the skyline is still a beautiful piece of machine, I sure with they made them in the us, I dont really like the new ones that are about to come out, though they are twin turbo stock I hear!, My goal is to get an SE-R by the end of this year, those are close to skylines in some perspectives

crayzayjay you made a very very good point about the gt-r compared to the prancing horse. you throw a gt-r in a corner and it would jsut take it. no sweet. but with a ferrari it actually requires alot more skill to drive it fast. thats why in japan there is still the major debate of rear wheel drive or 4wd. both sides agreed that 4wd is faster, but you lose all drivin pleasure that you would get in a rear wheel drive.

on a circuit theres no evidence that 4wd is faster than rwd. for the average driver though, this will always be the case. at the end of the day they both have their pro's and con's. as long as the 4wd is fairly organic i.e. not too much tech. input when you mess up, it's fine by me.

cheers,
jay

I think the average joe likes the comfort of AWD, its just a security around turns and at high speeds.....I feel safer in my AWD SUV going high speeds then I do in my maxima just because its sooo much more sturdy.

I think the thrust of a RB26 engine with modifed turbos gave the GT-R more popularity than it's AWD tech. Atleast in America I think that's why Skyline fans like the car. Boost.

I think those are actually really different cars , and shouldn't be compared , but i would choose the ferrari and then sell it and for the money i would buy an M5 and a ferrari 348...

ferarri, no exceptions.:bandit:

Originally posted by crayzayjay
No disrespect to any Skyline fans or owners out there, but I think its laughable to choose a Skyline over a Ferrari. ANY Ferrari.

Game over. Ferrari wins

No one said what we were "choosing for" Like I said before, if we were choosing what car to buy, GTR. If we are choosing which car I would pick of someone gave them to me, Farrari. If we are choosing which car I would rather drive, GTR. You say it is laughable to choose a skyline over a farrari? Perhaps I wouldn't feel comfortable driving such an expensive car. Perhaps I don't want to pay oodles of money when someone rear ends me or taps me while parking. Perhaps I want to mod my vehicle and don't want to pay an arm and a leg for a simple exhaust. Perhaps I feal that the GTRs "electronic... Stuff" puts me in safer hands. Like I said in a previous post emagine this situation in which case the two are modded. Ask youself this. You enter a 70km/hr turn doin 140km/hr. You reach the apex. You yam on the gas. Would you rather be on a sure footed, computer monitored (10 times a second) AWD system that can split torque 50/50 to control your 700bhp? Or do you want your back tires to light up, kick the rear end out, and send you spinning into a tree and wrapping your brand new Farrari around it? Now if any of you out there are professional racecar drivers, disreguard this because I'm sure you could handle it, but I am not a racecar driver, I'm sure that at some point in my life I will missjudge how much gas to give and put myself in that same situation.

but the essential element of a sports car is that it communicates with the driver, and that his/her minute inputs are reflected in the way the car behaves. the 360 does this. a GT3 does this even more. A Skyline doesnt always do this. in the skyline the car takes over from the driver. thats not what driving is about

I dissagree, I have heard absolutly no people saying that "My GTR just handles too sluggishly" Or "I hate it, I turn my wheel and for a second, nothing happens!!" Also about "the car takes over"... No... A good AWD system and the car "taking over" are two very different things. All ATTESSA ETS or PRO do is try to keep your wheels from spinning. Now trust me, you can make them spin if you are screwing up.

I'm sorry, but your whole defining of the word "choosing" car A over car B strikes me of clinton asking the interviewer guy to define sexual intercourse. fact is, this thread is asking us to weigh up the pros and cons of one car over another, and ultimately, choose one. That is what i did. if we wanted to define every possible "choosing" scenario we would be here for years. "what if i wanted to buy the car then loan it to my cousin's nephew in Andorra who will offer me stock options in his stepfather's biotechnology company at a rate that is proportionally related to the car's achieved mpg during track driving, which should i choose?" NO. plain and simple: Car A, car B. Discuss. Choose one.

you want to bring price into the equation? fine.
ok, your skyline will be cheaper to buy, run, repair etc... but what about resale value? will its depreciation rate be lower than that of the Ferrari? I dont think so. forget the rate, think about the actual amounts youre paying. you would probably lose a gross sum on the skyline over 2 years that you would lose on the Ferrari in the same period. using prices in the uk as an approximate guide:
Buy Skyline for £50k, sell 2 years later at £30k.
Buy 360 for £100k, sell 2 years later at £80k.
im sure some smartass will come up with the official average resale prices for each of these cars but i think you know what im saying. all you lose in time of ownership of the ferrari is running costs, which are greater in the ferrari. BUT what you lose on the skyline is a greater proportion of your money when you resell, so overall the 360 makes more sense from a $ point of view, if you can afford it in the first place.
that said, most people cant, so they buy the Skyline, which is all good, but if you want to be so calculating over which is economically better for you, its not as wide open as you would think. in fact, if you intend to resell the car in a couple of years, stump up the £50k you would have used to buy the Skyline and borrow the rest on a flexible loan, when you resell the car, you will get a very healthy sum as people dont want to be on a 2 year waiting list for the ferrari. with this healthy sum of $$$, pay off the rest of the loan and net $ outcome for you may not be so bad, it may even be profitable compared to the Skyline. but that's just one possibility and depends on a range of things happening. so it cant be this complicated, we have to simply look at which car we would rather choose and why.
so ill say it again, its laughable to choose a NISSAN Skyline over a FERRARI. i have my reasons, if you want to know, i refer you to my previous post.

....and about entering an 70km/h apex at 140km/h:
1. err... its pretty simple. dont enter a chicane at twice the appropriate speed, in ANY car. a skyline can be spun too, you know, as can any car. and sure people misjudge corners, youre absolutely right, but this applies to any driver in any car: you are not a good driver unless you are aware of your limits and those of the car. sure, some dumbass will approach this 70kmh chicane at 140kmh and his car's technology MIGHT bail him out. this instils a false sense of confidence which will lead to this guy driving even more recklessly until the car's software simply is not able to defy the laws of physics. by some coincidence -> a car journo in the uk bought a skyline and was mesmerised by its electronics. he was showing off in front of friends in the car when he said "look, you can provoke it as much as you like and the car just sorts if out for you" you can guess the rest... he threw it into a turn, lost control, smashed up his car and god knows what else. i know the exact turn he spun it on and believe me you have to be stupid to try to do what he did. that came about by the car instilling a false sense of security, which is something AWD can and often does achieve.
2. if youre looking for driving thrills, which is what these cars are essentially about, then yes, the Ferrari is the sportier car, and yes, you DO want the challenge of controlling the vehicle at speed, but NOT at twice the appropriate speed through a corner.
3. if all youre concerned about is safety and the safety benefits of 4WD, then stay home. dont drive at all. take the bus, i dont know.. all cars are dangerous. people crash, its as simple as that. if youre a safe driver others around you might not be. the whole notion of choosing the Skyline over the Ferrari because it has safer handling is almost irrelevant. it only has safer handling at extremely high speeds and as i said earlier in this post its tech-wizardry could eventually deceive you.


Please tell me where i said that the Skyline handles sluggishly.
I never said the Skyline handles sluggishly, i just said it doesnt communicate with the driver as well as the 360. these are different things, im sure i dont need to justify that


cheers,
jay

To defend the Skyline (I've been all Ferrari), it truly is an enthusiats car.

Ferrari-400bhp 3100lbs.
GT-R- 276bhp 3500lbs.

The car guy *should* pick the Ferrari, but most gt car fans would take the GT-R and spend the rest of the Ferrari money on mods. Most is a strong word, it's more like, "many." Many would pick the GT-R.

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I still say 360!!!1 :)

Originally posted by crayzayjay
....and about entering an 70km/h apex at 140km/h:
1. err... its pretty simple. dont enter a chicane at twice the appropriate speed, in ANY car. a skyline can be spun too, you know, as can any car. and sure people misjudge corners, youre absolutely right, but this applies to any driver in any car:

I just used those number for the sake of easy convayence of my idea.

I think you missunderstood what I was trying to say about ATTESSA. I'm not saying it's a failsafe that will get you out of any bad situation you get yourself into, or that it is impossible to spin it.All ATTESSA ETS or PRO do is try to keep your wheels from spinning. Now trust me, you can make them spin if you are screwing up.

All I was trying to say is that I like the traction benifits of ATTESSA and the handeling benifits of HICAS. If given the choice I would rather drive a car with AWD then RWD and yes that partly is because it gives a small buffer zone that if I give it a bit to much gas I won't end up wrapping my nice new car around a tree. Now I'm not saying I think if I go out and do somthing stupid attessa will bail me out, 'cause it won't. Every car has it's limits, and if you push it past them there will be trouble. Having AWD just means that car's limit for traction is a tad bit higher.
2. if youre looking for driving thrills, which is what these cars are essentially about, then yes, the Ferrari is the sportier car, and yes, you DO want the challenge of controlling the vehicle at speed, but NOT at twice the appropriate speed through a corner.

Agian I was only using those numbers for easy explination, I wasn't using them seriously.

3. if all youre concerned about is safety and the safety benefits of 4WD, then stay home. dont drive at all. take the bus, i dont know.. all cars are dangerous. people crash, its as simple as that. if youre a safe driver others around you might not be. the whole notion of choosing the Skyline over the Ferrari because it has safer handling is almost irrelevant. it only has safer handling at extremely high speeds and as i said earlier in this post its tech-wizardry could eventually deceive you.

I'm not sure which I would choose if we are talking which is safer. I am going to have to disagree with the part about only being safer at extremely high speeds as I don't see what makes a GTR any safer then any car at high speeds. At low speeds were you could have a slight twitch of the foor and spin a car with no traction controll, you might not spin a GTR as your torque splitting could split that extra 20 or 30 ft/lbs of torque to the front.
Now I don't think "tech-wizardry" will ever deceve me as I don't hold any false pretences about it, I know what it is there for, I know what it can do and what it can't. Like I said earlier, when it comes to traction all this "tech-wizardry" pays off. I don't think any one in their right mind would say that a RWD car is going to put more power to the ground then an AWD car with 45/55 torque split monitored 10 times a second.

But in the end it all comes down to personal likes, I like GTRs, period. Now if given the choice of the two, I'd take the 360, drive if for a few months because hey, it is a ferarri, then sell it and buy an R32 and mods :D

Originally posted by Gonthrax


Or do you want your back tires to light up, kick the rear end out, and send you spinning into a tree and wrapping your brand new Farrari around it? Now if any of you out there are professional racecar drivers, disreguard this because I'm sure you could handle it, but I am not a racecar driver, I'm sure that at some point in my life I will missjudge how much gas to give and put myself in that same situation.



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This post is to inquiry/clarify not to insult
I don't really know anbody or any car that can get wheelspin doing 140 km/h
Snowboarder may want to chat with you aobut the correct spelling of "Ferrari"
Since you are arguing AWD, you could have introduced conditions, had this been a wet surface, AWD = Live
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Originally posted by Porsche


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This post is to inquiry/clarify not to insult
I don't really know anbody or any car that can get wheelspin doing 140 km/h
Snowboarder may want to chat with you aobut the correct spelling of "Ferrari"
Since you are arguing AWD, you could have introduced conditions, had this been a wet surface, AWD = Live
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1: I understand :D

2: I was just using that as a number for ease of explination, but if you were holding a curve hard enough and you punched the gas your back end would step out.

3: Type O's bro, it's what I get for stairing at a computer screen all day at work:rolleyes:

4: Quite true, AWD does rule the road if it's wet, or any other kind of inclement (sp?) condition. But I had already typed a small book so I decided to leave it out :)

Originally posted by moe182
Well all these numbers/facts are off of Supercars.net.......
But the thing i think you're missing (as most people do) is that a car is not JUST about performence. Its the same reason why the 360 beats out the 911 turbo in tests, (it was either C&D or MT i dont remember) even though the ferarri is 40K more and the Turbo does beat (by the slightest margin) the 360 in most performence tests. Or why the BMW M3 always beats out the Vette Z06 in comparisons...sure the vette is a better performer, but i mean the interior is garbage. Anyways back to the point, Ferarri represents passion, and perfection. Just the fact the Modena creates a downforce with no visable wings is impressive enough for me, throw in that ferarri snarl, and the classic gated six. ANd there is no competition, throw on all the turbos, and computers youd like nothing beats the amazing feat of true craftsmenship and engineering. Dont get me wrong i love the GT-R its just no Ferarri. If it was up against a Z06 or Viper, sure......but not a Ferarri. No.

Could not said it better myself. Ferrari is passion and perfection.

Originally posted by Neutrino


Could not said it better myself. Ferrari is passion and perfection.

Quite true, simply put... Its a Ferrari :D



But I must say this, don't discount electronic systems as "electronic wizardry" they do do somthing, and it is somthing very usefull. Be it regulating fuel according to increased boost, keeping your boost curve nice and smooth, splitting torque to reduce wheelspin and increasing power delivery to the ground, moving a spoiler to provide the best downforce at changing speeds... You get the picture :)

Although I love a Ferrari......if I was driving the car it would be something fast and reliable....you simply cant beat teh $hit out of a Ferrari and expect it to last......i mean a Nissan will outlast a Ferrari any day. But Engineering wise, yeah a Ferrari is better because it doesnt need turbos. And about a SKyline motor, thats one hell of a motor, it can be easily modded and stay reliable

hmmm.. ive yet to come across a single article that favours the 360 over the 996 Turbo... and saying that Ferrari's are perfect is a little OTT IMO.... Mechanically not as sound as Porsche's, you'd have to be a fool to argue with that

someone was saying a Ferrari doesnt need turbos so it's better engineered than some car, but the simple fact is if you want to adopt this line, you have to think of the servicing that needs to be carried out on a Ferrari to keep it running in A1 condition. A Porsche, on the other hand...

yeah well a porshe can kick a skylines ass.....i praise porshe on their beautiful design of that car.......just for a daily driver I will take a skyline if I am paying for it + maintence + tires and every other luxury with a sports car

whoa jbl85 where have you been all this time? i haven't seen you on in like a month!

Originally posted by JBL85
yeah well a porshe can kick a skylines ass.....i praise porshe on their beautiful design of that car.......

I praise porsche for their amazing looking cars and good performance aswell. But as I hate sweeping generalizations, I must refer you to this video. (http://www.toprpm.com/video/down_redirect.asp?item=RSG-GTR34_vs_PorscheGambala.zip)


Sure some porsches could jump all over a stock GTR, but lets see here.

Porsche Boxter:
Horsepower 201 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque 181 ft lbs @ 4500 rpm
0-60 mph 6.1 seconds
0-1/4 mile 14.7 seconds
Top speed 149 mph / 240 km/h
Skidpad 0.89 g

Porsche 993:
Horsepower 285bhp @ 6100rpm
Top Speed 274km/h (170mph)
Accelleration 0-96km/h (60mph) 5.4 seconds

Porsche 944:
Horsepower 160bhp @ 5800rpm
Top Speed 219km/h (136mph)
Accelleration 0-96km/h (60mph) 8.0 seconds

Porsche 928:
Horsepower 234bhp @ 5500rpm
Top Speed 225km/h (140mph)
Accelleration 0-96km/h (60mph) 6.8 seconds

Skyline R32 GTS-T:
Horsepower 160kw @ 6400rpm
Torque 263nm @ 3200rpm
0-60 6.49 seconds
1/4 Mile 14.63 seconds

Skyline R32 GTR:
Horsepower 208kw @ 6400rpm
Torque 353nm @ 4400rpm
0-60 4.79 seconds
1/4 Mile 12.80 seconds

Skyline R33 GTR:
Horsepower 208kw @ 6800rpm
Torque 367nm @ 4400rpm
0-60 5.30 seconds
1/4 Mile 13.30 seconds

Skyline R34 GTR:
Horsepower 208kw @ 6800rpm
Torque 392nm @ 4400rpm
0-60 4.90 seconds
1/4 Mile 12.90 seconds


I'll try and find some skidpad numbers on the GTR as that is another area in which they accel.

Oh, if I seem like I"m being an asshole, I'm sorry... It's not what I ment by this post, I'm just bringing into to light so perhaps some people will stop writing the GTR off before they know exactialy what it can do.

Numbers don't tell the story. They mean sh*t.. if i strap a rocket to my bathtub, bolt on some bicycle wheels and make it go 0-60 in 2.2s, 1/4 mile in 5, will that be the best car in the world? the way some of the people on this forum talk im sure someone would buy one if i built it!

TATII

i am in www.altimas.net now, I got a new car =( and this forum doesnt have good support i still poke my nose around sometimes

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Numbers don't tell the story. They mean sh*t.. if i strap a rocket to my bathtub, bolt on some bicycle wheels and make it go 0-60 in 2.2s, 1/4 mile in 5, will that be the best car in the world? the way some of the people on this forum talk im sure someone would buy one if i built it!

No, numbers don't tell the whole story, but sense I have neither one of these cars and I'm guessing you don't either we can't go to the track and find out... So numbers is all we have to go on. And those numbers are the best representations of people who have put these cars on the track and seen what they can do.

I'm not one of those people who say things like "skylines own EVERYTHING" because they don't, there are plenty of cars out there that are faster, and many that are better in many ways. But in my personal opinion I like the GTR better then the above mentioned cars.

no, i dont have any of those cars but i have driven a 911, ridden in porsches and other fast cars enough to realise that numbers mean jack, or at least dont tell the whole story... some of the cars that have impressed me the most were not so fast at all. if i posted up the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for some of these cars you might laugh at me, but the way they drove was something else. any fool can bolt a fast engine onto a car and that wont make it great.
im realistic so i know its hard to pass judgement on cars. but if you want to go on numbers published by some magazine, why dont you instead read or watch the tests on these cars by a source other than yourself, (but one that you can trust) and you'll have a much better idea of what the car is like. dont treat these articles as your bible, but for us mere mortals that is all we can do..

cheers,
jay

Originally posted by crayzayjay
no, i dont have any of those cars but i have driven a 911, ridden in porsches and other fast cars enough to realise that numbers mean jack, or at least dont tell the whole story... some of the cars that have impressed me the most were not so fast at all. if i posted up the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for some of these cars you might laugh at me, but the way they drove was something else. any fool can bolt a fast engine onto a car and that wont make it great.
im realistic so i know its hard to pass judgement on cars. but if you want to go on numbers published by some magazine, why dont you instead read or watch the tests on these cars by a source other than yourself, (but one that you can trust) and you'll have a much better idea of what the car is like. dont treat these articles as your bible, but for us mere mortals that is all we can do..

cheers,
jay

I understand what your saying, a friend of mine used to have an old Audi coupe, it had horrid acceleration, but it handled great and was a blast to drive. But all we have to go on is numbers, and they do give an indication of what the car's really like. What else would you suggest we compair them by?

*Edit*
The more and more I think about it, the less and less I see how you can say numbers don't mean shit, they obviously do mean shit, if they didn't then no one would use them to compair cars. The "Numbers" are complied by people who do take these cars out on the track, and do run them through the traps and take the average of all their runs. I'd say that paints a pretty damn good picture of what the car can do. I'm sure the car's you've ridden in performed somewere around were the numbers said they would.

when did porsche come into the picture? well i'll defend the skyline. the only porsches that can beat a skyline around a track would be the GT2, GT3, and the 996 turbo. those are the only 3. and the 996 turbo even didn't beat the skyline by that much. at the track its only .5 seconds faster. and the porsche has a 140 hp advantage. so yeah i guess yoru right, numbers dont' mean shit. lolz.

OK numbers do mean something. Its obvious. You can get some information from them, sure you can. But what? How fast the car goes in a straight line? If thats what cars are about why do they have steering wheels? OK numbers are the easiest things to post but if we wanted to compare cars just like that things would get pretty boring... if you have any additional information that you know of the car then you should say it.

I'm sure the car's you've ridden in performed somewere around were the numbers said they would.

no no no... what was pleasing about these cars' performance wasnt straight line speed, but entertaining handling, great balance, good steering etc etc... numbers had nothing to do with it... unless you're going to take each car around a specific track and put its time with its acceleration and top speed figures... i guess the Old Nurburgring is the closest we have to that, but lap times are hardly going to be used to advertise a car.

i hope you see what im trying to get at

cheers,
jay

Sheesh. Are you guys still on this??? :D :p :) Still can't see how anybody would take the GT-R over the Modena.

Originally posted by crayzayjay
OK numbers do mean something. Its obvious. You can get some information from them, sure you can. But what? How fast the car goes in a straight line? If thats what cars are about why do they have steering wheels? OK numbers are the easiest things to post but if we wanted to compare cars just like that things would get pretty boring... if you have any additional information that you know of the car then you should say it.



no no no... what was pleasing about these cars' performance wasnt straight line speed, but entertaining handling, great balance, good steering etc etc... numbers had nothing to do with it... unless you're going to take each car around a specific track and put its time with its acceleration and top speed figures... i guess the Old Nurburgring is the closest we have to that, but lap times are hardly going to be used to advertise a car.

i hope you see what im trying to get at

cheers,
jay

I completely understand what your getting at, all the numbers I could find were just accel and 1/4 mile accept for the boxter:( It would have been better if I could have found some skidpad and slolom results, but I'm bad at finding these sorts of things :D

Originally posted by USA Racer
Sheesh. Are you guys still on this??? :D :p :) Still can't see how anybody would take the GT-R over the Modena.

If it were a choice of some one giving me one of um... Ferrari please:p

But if I'm buying it, or if I'm betting on which would win in a track race, GTR all the way.

Like I said before it all boils down to personal preference, and I'm just a Skyline lover.

dude the 360 has a glass roof on the engine bay.. for the love of god if that isn't cool enough then ... well nothnig is ..

Originally posted by THE4TH
dude the 360 has a glass roof on the engine bay.. for the love of god if that isn't cool enough then ... well nothnig is ..

How about being able to sidestep the clutch at redline, and your rear wheels only spinning two revolutions before torque is split to the front and traction grabs? :D

or how about playin with that really cool computer on the dash of the R34 swwwwwweeeeeeeeettttttt~

throw in as many computers as you like, but it will still be a nissan. the other guy, on the other hand, will be driving a ferrari. i know which i would choose

Man this was a long post. I must say alothough I would love to drive a Ferrari (it a friggin Ferrari) I would rather own a Skyline. Why? Cause in the end I still want to be able to dirve my car inconspicuously. If you look at the R33 it doesn't look like anything special. That is, it doesn't look like a car worth stealing, scratching etc etc to all the wrong people. To all the right people (those that know what it is) it is revered and would never be mistreated (same for the 360, hopefully). With a Ferrari you don't get that. Park it in the wrong place and boom its gone. Anger the wrong girl and boom you need a new paint job (I assume it would cost more to paint a Ferrari than a Sky). If the car get love tapped (ie hit) it will cost you an arm and a leg to get it fixed (then you insurance goes up as it it wasan't high enough already).


Like I said in the beginning I would give my right arm to drive a Ferrari 360 but would rather own a Skyline (I want 1 R32's 3 R33's and 2 R34's).


IMHO

But look at it this way. If you are rich enough to own ANY Ferrari, getting a dent out, painting a quarter panel, and insurance are a drop in the bucket. However, theft is all together another story.

Originally posted by Polygon
But look at it this way. If you are rich enough to own ANY Ferrari, getting a dent out, painting a quarter panel, and insurance are a drop in the bucket. However, theft is all together another story.
Quite true, quite true. I've thought of that on a few occasions before.

I donno, I think this thread has become a dead horse that we are kicking the shit out of IMHO :D

I much rather have a Skyline.

New Question.

Toyota Supra Twin Turbo or 360 Modena?

I know I much rather have the capabilty of getting in the 600 - 1000hp
range with the Supra.

Also peep this link of a 1015 hp Supra.

http://www.suprastore.com/guil19hkspre.html

thats definitly a nice supra. but how bout this for thought? how about a the top secret supra that has the skyline engine? now that is something to drool over.

U most be refering to the one in Super Street . Yea I do like that
but I much rather have it with the 1015 hp engine in it.