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Z28boy1991
12-30-2003, 10:54 PM
What do u think has better performance or looks the 3rd gen Mustang (1982-1993) or the 3rd gen Camaro (1982-1992)? I think the 3rd gen Camaro is million times better looking and so much more powerful.. Yeah the mustang is light and the 5.0 5 speed can take off fast.. but com on the 5.0 over the 350 5.7 liter... i think 350 smokes the 5.0... trust me i have quite down many mustang drivers.... lol

1992RS
12-30-2003, 11:06 PM
Well most third gen camaros had 305's but still the camaro whoops the mustang. I hate when people put down the 305, I think it's an awsome motor. I'm putting 400hp to the pavement. But the camaro has always out ran the stang. We have bigger engines, better suspension, and better aerodinamics. Ford tries to take a box and make it go. Chevy takes a box, smooths out the corner and makes it really go. The only thing the stang has on the camaro is weight. And while it's a big factor on the track looking for 10ths of a second it's not going to play much factor on the street. Camaro all the way, they may not make them anymore but the camaro will never die. And for all them mustang dudes that say the camaro is dead, bring them my way. Sorry, I got carried away.

Z28boy1991
12-30-2003, 11:15 PM
yeah man most 3rd gens did have the 305s.. and i think 305's are one of the best. I have the 350 5.7 which is another good engine as well.. but yeah camaro are sooo much better then mustang besides weight.. big deal its still more powerful and the 5.0 305 can kick the stangs 5.0 anyday.. i love camaro and always support it..

1992RS
12-31-2003, 12:00 AM
Hell yeah dude. Just look at this car. It's beautifull. It brings a tear to my eye..I'm in love.

CamaroSSBoy346
12-31-2003, 12:19 AM
.. big deal its still more powerful and the 5.0 305 can kick the stangs 5.0 anyday.. i love camaro and always support it..
I beg to differ. Unless you have the TPI 305, i doubt the TBI could touch the 302 Mustangs. (IMO, the 302 Stangs were better). The TBI 305 makes an astounding 170 HP at the wheels. The 302 (1988+ Roller) makes 225 crank (minus 15%, someone do the math, im too lazy). Im also lookin to invest in a 302 Car. (1988 Lincoln Mark VII LSC) Power..performance...luxury...:)

Z28boy1991
12-31-2003, 01:04 AM
i beg to differ....that explains why i kicked so many stangs ass with my Z 28..... never lost agianst a mustang..

92'rs boy
12-31-2003, 01:47 AM
i am a newbie so hows stuff goin. i am only 15 gunna be 16 and i bought a 92'rs with a 305 in it. what about when u race the camaro with a 305 and the stang with a 5.0 both stock will the camaro still blow it away?

boosted331
12-31-2003, 02:19 AM
i am a newbie so hows stuff goin. i am only 15 gunna be 16 and i bought a 92'rs with a 305 in it. what about when u race the camaro with a 305 and the stang with a 5.0 both stock will the camaro still blow it away?

The 305 had like 170 horsepower stock, 5.0 had 225. Weight was about equal. I think you can put 2 and 2 together. I'm sure the 305 is a good engine, but you have to admit the 302 is a MUCH better performance platform than the 305.

Z28boy1991
12-31-2003, 12:09 PM
hey RS yeah im 16 and i had my license for like 3 to 4 months.. I bought my Z28 like 2 yrs still smells like the dealership lol... Anyways the 305 in chevy i think is still better then the stangs 5.0, because for Mustangs r a piece of shit and i work on them at my dads garage all the time.. The only reason you love ford is if you or your dad owns a gas station because thats how you make money in the mechanic buisness... from fixing shit boxes like fords.. Plus ur RS is a million times better looking then those mustangs ... Stangs in the 3rd gen are just soo ugly... but the 4th gen Mustangs..they got more taste plus in 94-96 when they were making the 4.6 in stangs the mustangs are much better car then they were in 3rd gen.. Yeah but the thing is i have a 350 5.7 which came 245 hp stock. plus added things too it, which its 300 hp but me and master mechanic (dad) plan too make it around 400 hp then im gonna stop cuz i aint gonna fool with it.. :naughty


My friends told me that they could kick my ass with there Gay Stangs... But after racing on Route 95 in Mass.... I took care of them....

CamaroSSBoy346
12-31-2003, 01:08 PM
i beg to differ....that explains why i kicked so many stangs ass with my Z 28..... never lost agianst a mustang..

Beating 4cyl mustangs dont count!

Anyways the 305 in chevy i think is still better then the stangs 5.0, because for Mustangs r a piece of shit

thats kinda opinionated and ignorant.

Z28boy1991
12-31-2003, 01:36 PM
Hey pal i hate Ford and always will and im talking bout 8 cyl!! 5.0!! NOT 4 you moron.. when did 4 cyl com up? Im comparing with the 8's not 6 and not 4.. And sec of all the 5.0's in Mustangs do suck ass, they burn alot of oil and fucking dont last for shit... I see these Piled up in my dads garage all day.. there like the #1 sport car that goes there and causes headaches... funny thing is we really never work camaros that much besides oil changes, tires and easy bullshit....well thats why they switched it too 4.6 around 95 or somthing like that.. they suck balls.. and i aint saying chevy the best either because the 305 aint a perfect engine either as well as the 350.. But its hell alot better then fords 5.0.. Well chevy still uses 5.7 in alot of there newer models like camaros as well as Pontiac Firebirds.. but mustangs dont have 5.0 anymore... that im aware of..

Hypsi87
12-31-2003, 05:11 PM
Hey pal i hate Ford and always will and im talking bout 8 cyl!! 5.0!! NOT 4 you moron.. when did 4 cyl com up? Im comparing with the 8's not 6 and not 4.. And sec of all the 5.0's in Mustangs do suck ass, they burn alot of oil and fucking dont last for shit... I see these Piled up in my dads garage all day.. there like the #1 sport car that goes there and causes headaches... funny thing is we really never work camaros that much besides oil changes, tires and easy bullshit....well thats why they switched it too 4.6 around 95 or somthing like that.. they suck balls.. and i aint saying chevy the best either because the 305 aint a perfect engine either as well as the 350.. But its hell alot better then fords 5.0.. Well chevy still uses 5.7 in alot of there newer models like camaros as well as Pontiac Firebirds.. but mustangs dont have 5.0 anymore... that im aware of..


Go to the track and learn something about performance. Not to offend any camaro guys here (sorry 98IROC and 92RS) but the fox body mustangs ruled the 3rd gen camaros. Besides the aftermarket for a 5.0 is so much better than a tpi car. Oh and if you where such a mechanic then you shoud know that the 5.7 that they use today is nothing like the 5.7 L98 tpi. The L98 is a 350 and the new 5.7 is like 346 or something like that. I'm not trying to bad mouth The camaro or anything. They are damn nice cars, but give credit where credit is due. Also if you don't work on camaros then you don't have a shop. They have there share of problems just like a mustang does. 16 year old arrogance is what get you in trouble when you go to race the big boys.

1992RS
12-31-2003, 05:58 PM
Well stangs and fbodies alike have there problems. I can not knock the ford 302, it's an outstanding motor. It has a bore about the size of a 5.7 with only a three inch stroke. So you have more explosion area and less travel, so I by nature(rev happy) am a fan of it. However, ford didn't tune the stang as well as they could have from the factory. The Stang 5.0 has probably more potential than our beloved 5.7, and yes the LS1 is 346CID by the way. From the factory the fbody had better performance. But if you know what you'r doing then the 302 was a...well ford put it best. BOSS. Know..I saw someone knocking the TBI and the 305 again... C'mon now..Yes stock it had 170 at the wheels, or so chevy claimed..It's more like 201hp acourding to my "before" dyno. And by the way that 215 at the crank pulls about 191 at the wheels, which is the same as the 305TBI. So chevy's second best fbody was matching the stangs. Now hands down the IrocZ and Z had more. Chevy clamed 235 I believe, wich was underated I'm sure. But the factory stangs couldn't keep up. Before you start busting my balls remember that I'm talking stock now ok. But anyways, anyone with some gears spinning for brains will find away, take me for example, to make there car hell of a lot faster. ie. my 400rwhp RS. ok I'm done.

Hypsi87
12-31-2003, 06:13 PM
Well stangs and fbodies alike have there problems. I can not knock the ford 302, it's an outstanding motor. It has a bore about the size of a 5.7 with only a three inch stroke. So you have more explosion area and less travel, so I by nature(rev happy) am a fan of it. However, ford didn't tune the stang as well as they could have from the factory. The Stang 5.0 has probably more potential than our beloved 5.7, and yes the LS1 is 346CID by the way. From the factory the fbody had better performance. But if you know what you'r doing then the 302 was a...well ford put it best. BOSS. Know..I saw someone knocking the TBI and the 305 again... C'mon now..Yes stock it had 170 at the wheels, or so chevy claimed..It's more like 201hp acourding to my "before" dyno. And by the way that 215 at the crank pulls about 191 at the wheels, which is the same as the 305TBI. So chevy's second best fbody was matching the stangs. Now hands down the IrocZ and Z had more. Chevy clamed 235 I believe, wich was underated I'm sure. But the factory stangs couldn't keep up. Before you start busting my balls remember that I'm talking stock now ok. But anyways, anyone with some gears spinning for brains will find away, take me for example, to make there car hell of a lot faster. ie. my 400rwhp RS. ok I'm done.
IROCS and GTA's where too heavy. But what do I care about the argument between a foxbody and a F-body...... My G-body buick eats them both for dinner. (stock for stock as well as modded)

P.S. Just had to put that last comment in nobody talks about a "Buick" like they do a camaro or mustang :icon16:

Z28boy1991
12-31-2003, 06:19 PM
hey hyp i work there and i dont see many camaros.. i see much more mustangs... and you want to talk to a expert about the 3rd gen engines go talk to my dad and he'll even say the camaro is better performance.. hes been working on cars for 34 yrs and knows all that shit.. ill give him his garage # if you want me too.. serious. and yeah i did beat on alot stangs..

1992RS
12-31-2003, 06:22 PM
Hey I've got no beef against buick, well the older ones anyway. Great cars. Well the GN kicked much ass. But this is becomeing to much of a pissing contest here. We're a bunch of camaroholics in here and we're not gonna give in so there's no point.

Z28boy1991
12-31-2003, 06:24 PM
o yeah never said i was a mechanic... big difference when you help out at a garage then being a mechanic.. i dont think theres any 16 yr old mechanics and if theyre its very rare.. I just see tons of mustangs rolling through my dads garage... and i own a camaro and never ever gave me a prob.. but my friends always have issues with there mustangs.. i wonder why... begging my dad too help them.. and i aint sayin camaro is perfect either..

Hypsi87
12-31-2003, 06:58 PM
Sorry 'bout the GN post. It was a joke to show that is was turning into a pissing contest. Kinda like the "my dad can beat up your dad" kind of thing. Guess thats hard to show on the internet

1992RS
12-31-2003, 06:58 PM
I started turning wrenches when I was 14 and rebuilt my first engine when I was 16.

Hypsi87
12-31-2003, 07:00 PM
I was 12 when I did my firs engine rebuid........ 5HP briggs and stratton :iceslolan

Z28boy1991
12-31-2003, 07:16 PM
heheh nah i mean as a professional... not rebuilding engines.. but yeah thats cool

1992RS
01-01-2004, 02:34 AM
Hey that don't count. I did a weed eater engine when I was 11 or 12

89IROC&RS
01-01-2004, 02:57 PM
lmao, yeah well i did a model engine when i was 8 :-P but ok, here i go on my litle piece of the action. the 305, from the factory, as a TBI will not take a 302 mustang. sorry, its true. not as much power, too much weight, and not as rev happy, its a torque motor, not hp. the TPI 305 had a better chance. but its still limmited,and with those long runners, is even more of a low rev torqe engine. while yet again, the 302 was a hgh winding hp motor. now the 5.7L TPI engine, would beat the 5.0 musting. now i hope i dont have to tell anyone on here that i am a little less than a mustang fan, i lvoe my camaros, thats why i own two of them (at leasat for a little while longer :( ) but the 5.0 mustang was no joke back in the day. the 302 is a solid motor, why im building the chevy 302 for my baby. (and yes, there was a chvey 302 long before ford had one circa 1969 for anyone who asks why im putting a ford engine in my camaro, thats so annoying) but yeah, the fact that all you do at your dads shop is little stuff on camaros and lots on stangs, is cuz chances are the camaro guys fix their own problems, not that nothing is going wrong with them. i mean, i work on probly ten vettes a week at work and have yet to see a third gen camaro. does that mean that the third gen is a better car than the vette??? hardley, it means that the vette owners dont want to get their hands dirty, so they pay me to fix it. while the camaro guys fix their own crap. it all has to do with the owner, not teh car. trust me, there is plenty to go wrong with the third gen camaro, my IROC is prime example. she needs alot of TLC (just bought her from a guy in arkansas, no state inspection or emmisions, ever, let your imagination roam as to the possible problems.) but yeah, id say that as far as V8 third gens, camaros and firebirds, the IROC and equivilent firebird were top of the hill. ive even heard of a TPI 350 firebird right off the showrrom floor in 1989 beating a saleen mustang. of the same year. so they were hot. but as soon as you get into the 305's, sorry to say it 92RS, it gets iffy. and the TBI 305, in stock form, is a truck motor, not a performanec engine. so the 5.0 stang would eat it alive. god i feel dirty just saying that.

Z28boy1991
01-01-2004, 04:45 PM
Hey iROC your right.. the 305 cant beat 302 but i like 305 better...

Z28boy1991
01-01-2004, 04:51 PM
yeah i see more mustangs then camaros thats all... But they do give lots of headaches as well... not saying 302 is a terrible engine i was just never into ford stuff

DVS LT1
01-01-2004, 06:11 PM
My G-body buick eats them both for dinner. (stock for stock as well as modded)

In a straight line perhaps - throw in a few curves and I'll be wiping the floor with you. Top speed - that aerodynamic Brick, er, Buick would have a hell of a time keeping up on a top speed run. :p Eh, I couldn't let you get off that easy man! This is just me getting in on the "sword" pissing wars.

But think about this one - how would a 350 V8 perform equiped with a Buick turbo-intercooler? Eh?? :grinno:

Ok I'm done pulling your chain bros. Regarding the 3rd gen Fox & F-Body Camaro's, I grew up driving in both cars - I love 5.0L Mustang GT's and LX's (have never given me any competition though) and I simply worship '87-90 IROC-Z's - and I can remember both cars being fairly even. Some days the General got the Horse and other days the Stang ran away. Not that magazines are always to be taken as fact, but pick up any Motortrend or Road & Track from back then and you'll recall the old saying that the 302 cars were lighter and faster than the 305's but not quite as fast as the 350's.

There have always been exceptions of course - factory freaks, lemons, and just driver ability. Again, we're talking about fairly even cars - any olde stories of blowing away one or the other most likely had something to do with the above mentioned circumstances - no two ways about it.

Hypsi87
01-01-2004, 06:37 PM
In a straight line perhaps - throw in a few curves and I'll be wiping the floor with you. Top speed - that aerodynamic Brick, er, Buick would have a hell of a time keeping up on a top speed run. :p Eh, I couldn't let you get off that easy man! This is just me getting in on the "sword" pissing wars.

But think about this one - how would a 350 V8 perform equiped with a Buick turbo-intercooler? Eh?? :grinno:

Ok I'm done pulling your chain bros. Regarding the 3rd gen Fox & F-Body Camaro's, I grew up driving in both cars - I love 5.0L Mustang GT's and LX's (have never given me any competition though) and I simply worship '87-90 IROC-Z's - and I can remember both cars being fairly even. Some days the General got the Horse and other days the Stang ran away. Not that magazines are always to be taken as fact, but pick up any Motortrend or Road & Track from back then and you'll recall the old saying that the 302 cars were lighter and faster than the 305's but not quite as fast as the 350's.

There have always been exceptions of course - factory freaks, lemons, and just driver ability. Again, we're talking about fairly even cars - any olde stories of blowing away one or the other most likely had something to do with the above mentioned circumstances - no two ways about it.

the 350 tpi could not handle the GN turbo and intercooler setup. That is if your just talking about putting one directly on. That motor in stock form would not handle 14 PSI. They used G-body cars in nascar so it's not that much of a brick, I undersand the camaro/trans am has better aerodynamics, The 3rd gen trans am is one of the more areodynamic bodys that GM made. Stock for stock a GN can outrun a 3rd gen on the topend. They did put my engine in a Trans am for the 20th anniversary. It was the pace car for the indy 500. It is the only car to have paced the indy 500 with the only mod being stobe lights and a couple decals. As far as the handling goes..... you got me, But hey it's a street machine not a corner hugger. Besides most of the racing that goes on around here is in a stright line.

Throw in a few curves ill just get you in the straight away :smokin:

P.S. last comment was a little friendly fun. Nice car (assuming that your aviatar is your car.) I really like the silver camaros

1992RS
01-01-2004, 08:42 PM
Ok Iroc, a little trivia. Why was the CHEVY 302 manufactured??? 10 points if you get the right answer.

boosted331
01-01-2004, 09:43 PM
Ok Iroc, a little trivia. Why was the CHEVY 302 manufactured??? 10 points if you get the right answer.

302 was created for trans am racing in the late 60's, to meet the 305 cid limit. 283 crank + 327 block, same bore and stroke as a ford 302 :)

syr74
01-01-2004, 09:53 PM
Well, I am a Ford guy 1992 RS, but I am going to guess it was to meet Trans Am's displacement guidlelines.

BTW, back in the day my brother had two different 305 3rd gen Trans Am's ( I honestly couldn't tell you if they were TBI or TPI...I never asked or wrenched on them.) I had a 91 5.0 LX notchback automatic for a while and in every imrpomptu drag race I absolutely decimated him every time. (No offense intended at all to the Camaro guys)

I drove both of his cars on several occasions, and while they were much better suited to twisty roads than the Mustang, the power difference was more than noticeable.One was obviously "tweaked" when he bought it, and felt much stronger for it. But, he still wasn't faster than me.

A couple years after I got rid of my LX he ended up with a late eighties GTA. 5.7L and a very, very good looking car I might add. Much better looking than any 4th gen F-body IMO. That car would, IMO, have taken my Mustang as it felt much stouter than the 305 cars. However, get unfair and throw in the five speed for LX and I think the race just got a lot closer. IMO, just about even.

He had a chance to buy a "rebuildable" but wrecked 20th anniversary T/A once, and I begged him to do it. But, he was "scared" of the turbo six. Weiner.
Now THAT car would have kicked my......well, you know.

syr74
01-01-2004, 09:55 PM
D+*n my slow typing. I knew that boosted..I really did.

Hypsi87
01-01-2004, 10:05 PM
Well, I am a Ford guy 1992 RS, but I am going to guess it was to meet Trans Am's displacement guidlelines.

BTW, back in the day my brother had two different 305 3rd gen Trans Am's ( I honestly couldn't tell you if they were TBI or TPI...I never asked or wrenched on them.) I had a 91 5.0 LX notchback automatic for a while and in every imrpomptu drag race I absolutely decimated him every time. (No offense intended at all to the Camaro guys)

I drove both of his cars on several occasions, and while they were much better suited to twisty roads than the Mustang, the power difference was more than noticeable.One was obviously "tweaked" when he bought it, and felt much stronger for it. But, he still wasn't faster than me.

A couple years after I got rid of my LX he ended up with a late eighties GTA. 5.7L and a very, very good looking car I might add. Much better looking than any 4th gen F-body IMO. That car would, IMO, have taken my Mustang as it felt much stouter than the 305 cars. However, get unfair and throw in the five speed for LX and I think the race just got a lot closer. IMO, just about even.

He had a chance to buy a "rebuildable" but wrecked 20th anniversary T/A once, and I begged him to do it. But, he was "scared" of the turbo six. Weiner.
Now THAT car would have kicked my......well, you know.


the turbo 6's are a little bit more complicated then a tpi but they are worth it

1992RS
01-01-2004, 10:28 PM
Well the LX 5.0 was a lot faster than the GT's..I know that's not the point at all, but I thought I'd throw that in. And good job on the trivia question. That's exactly why they did it. And it was the shit too.

DVS LT1
01-02-2004, 02:29 AM
the 350 tpi could not handle the GN turbo and intercooler setup. That is if your just talking about putting one directly on. That motor in stock form would not handle 14 PSI. They used G-body cars in nascar so it's not that much of a brick, I undersand the camaro/trans am has better aerodynamics, The 3rd gen trans am is one of the more areodynamic bodys that GM made. Stock for stock a GN can outrun a 3rd gen on the topend. They did put my engine in a Trans am for the 20th anniversary. It was the pace car for the indy 500. It is the only car to have paced the indy 500 with the only mod being stobe lights and a couple decals. As far as the handling goes..... you got me, But hey it's a street machine not a corner hugger. Besides most of the racing that goes on around here is in a stright line.

Throw in a few curves ill just get you in the straight away :smokin:

P.S. last comment was a little friendly fun. Nice car (assuming that your aviatar is your car.) I really like the silver camaros

:grinno: I was actually thinking about turboing a 350 LT1 - but regardless, a Buick turbo would not even fit under the hood of a 4th gen and you're right the engine would rip itself apart if just bolted on. Would definitely need forged 9.5:1 compression pistons, 4340 rods and crank, 4 bolt caps, & forged pushrods wouldn't hurt either. It was just a silly suggestion on my part anyways (although some nuts out there with coin DO go for the LS1 TT setup).

The 3rd gen TA's were very aerodynamic for their time, but you think more than a 4th gen Camaro? Besides the exposed quad lights on my car its a sick slope from the nose tip to the top of the windshield. BlackCamaroSS is always mentioning the big reason why the 4th gen F-platform was axed was because it didn't meet 2004 crash test standards, and after looking at my Z now I believe it - if a high SUV or car ever hit me head on it would be like driving up a nice ramp right into my lap! :nono:

Ya I was pulling your leg before - GN's are wicked cars! Although they only came in black I couldn't see them look that good in any other colour! As for mine - thanks for the compliment. The best thing about silver (or grey paint jobs also) is they are the easiest to keep clean.

Hypsi87
01-02-2004, 01:05 PM
:grinno: I was actually thinking about turboing a 350 LT1 - but regardless, a Buick turbo would not even fit under the hood of a 4th gen and you're right the engine would rip itself apart if just bolted on. Would definitely need forged 9.5:1 compression pistons, 4340 rods and crank, 4 bolt caps, & forged pushrods wouldn't hurt either. It was just a silly suggestion on my part anyways (although some nuts out there with coin DO go for the LS1 TT setup).

The 3rd gen TA's were very aerodynamic for their time, but you think more than a 4th gen Camaro? Besides the exposed quad lights on my car its a sick slope from the nose tip to the top of the windshield. BlackCamaroSS is always mentioning the big reason why the 4th gen F-platform was axed was because it didn't meet 2004 crash test standards, and after looking at my Z now I believe it - if a high SUV or car ever hit me head on it would be like driving up a nice ramp right into my lap! :nono:

Ya I was pulling your leg before - GN's are wicked cars! Although they only came in black I couldn't see them look that good in any other colour! As for mine - thanks for the compliment. The best thing about silver (or grey paint jobs also) is they are the easiest to keep clean.
Yea at least they did not come in that puke green that Regals where known to come in. Well I don't know about the TA being more aerodynamic but I read somewhere that the majority of cars that have a production body and hold some type of land speed record where 3rd Gen GTA's . Ill try to find more on that.

89IROC&RS
01-02-2004, 09:26 PM
lol, geeze 92RS, you knew i knew that one right???? that engien was a beast, with the twin four barrels, it ran sub five second zero to sixties, and while the mags said it was enemic at low speed, once it wound up, it pulled like a hemi. rated at 290hp, and 290lbs/ft. but tested llater, ive heard of 390hp, but ive been told by others on this forum that they were closer to 350. but still, a bad ass ride none the less. too bad they didnt put the 302 in the third gens, instead of the 305. how bout that for a trivia question. who here knows why the 305 came about????

1992RS
01-02-2004, 09:34 PM
cuz california sucks ass probably

syr74
01-02-2004, 10:15 PM
Now THAT was funny. lol

1992RS
01-02-2004, 10:17 PM
I read about this though, and can't remember exactly. It was either that or the trans am rules changed or something. Shit I can't remember.

DeViL
01-03-2004, 01:17 AM
late eighties GTA. 5.7L and a very, very good looking car I might add. Much better looking than any 4th gen F-body IMO.
<----got one of those :smokin: ....though 4th Gens I think look better especially the Firehawk, the interior of a 3rd gen GTA I think is much more appealing then any 4th generation Firebird.

Vlad_Tepes
01-03-2004, 11:23 AM
I had a buddy with a 69 Z28 that 302 was worked over and could be spun to the moon.
Had engine work done so he could pull it to 10K rpm.. Let me tell you that was freaking scary and awesome all at the same time...

As much as I hate to admit it 3rd gen stang had a bit mor ass than a 3rd gen maro... But just didnt look as cool and rode a bit rough too.

89IROC&RS
01-03-2004, 05:20 PM
DING DING DING, 305 was born because of emmissions. the large bore of the 302, with loose clearances, created lots and lots of hydrocarbons. (unburned fuel) so the 305 was created with a small bore to minimize the primary creator of this emmision, the piston edge. no one stopped and thought about the bore to stroke ratio, and see that it was horrible. they were focused on running cleaner. different times, different priorites. 302 = fast and scary, 305 = clean and tidy :)

1992RS
01-03-2004, 06:57 PM
Where did you find that 302 Iroc??? I think I want one.

Z28boy1991
01-03-2004, 10:14 PM
never knew chevy made 302

1992RS
01-03-2004, 11:02 PM
Sure did, and if they kept it around longer it would be just as popular if not more so than the 350. Can you say 8k red line?? oh yeah baby.

Z28boy1991
01-04-2004, 01:24 AM
what years were they produce and what GM models were they in?

Vlad_Tepes
01-04-2004, 09:48 AM
1969 Z28 was the only one that I know of

Z28boy1992
01-04-2004, 12:20 PM
lol the MUSTANG forum banned my Z28boy1991 name

Vlad_Tepes
01-04-2004, 12:36 PM
ok what did you do?

Z28boy1992
01-04-2004, 01:42 PM
it was a mustang vs camaro thing and i originally posted camaro all the way and then they started shit with me about how im a noob and all this garbage so i then replied back and the Mustang Mod jerk banned me..

Vlad_Tepes
01-04-2004, 06:52 PM
Lol

89IROC&RS
01-04-2004, 07:42 PM
1967-1969 were the years of the 302. as far as where i got mine, im making it. cuztom scat crank at 3.211inches, and a 4.030 bore., yeah i know it adds up to 327.5 cid, but its just a 4in bore and 3 inch stroke, bored .030 over, and ofset stroked .211inches with baby bearings, 1.889 vs 2.100. but as far as getting a real one, try EBAY!!! oh and if you want to use a one piece rear main seal block, good luck, no one makes a 3in stroke crank for that block. thats why i have to get a custom billet from scat. 2200 bucks. ouch. and carrilo rods, 2000 bucks. *wince* 302 badges on my third gen's hood.... priceless :)

89IROC&RS
01-04-2004, 07:42 PM
oh and the 302 was ONLY in the camaro. i think its the only chevy engine with that honor.

Vlad_Tepes
01-04-2004, 07:50 PM
IROC

Thats cool you going to make it rev to what?
I was thinking of doing that myself but I wanted a little more grunt off the line without having to drop it at 4 grand.

89IROC&RS
01-05-2004, 10:02 PM
well, this is gonna be a steet motor, and a TPI motor at that, so 8k isnt in my plan. the longer stroke and the long runners will bring the torque in down low. so probly 6k is as high as ill run her. but normal daily driving along the lines of 4500 to 5000 is as high as shes goin. shes gonna have a relitively small cam, less than .490 inches, so its not gonna be a super rev happy engine. even though it could be. i dont want to drive it like a ricer, ill take my revs nice and low :)

Vlad_Tepes
01-06-2004, 02:05 AM
Sounds good bro what are you going to do with your old motor?

Vlad_Tepes
01-06-2004, 02:41 AM
Sounds good bro what are you going to do with your old motor?

GTStang
01-06-2004, 01:30 PM
it was a mustang vs camaro thing and i originally posted camaro all the way and then they started shit with me about how im a noob and all this garbage so i then replied back and the Mustang Mod jerk banned me..

You got banned cause you had a lousy attitude. Don't know what you are talking about and think your Camaro is the baddest thing to grace pavement. And HiFlow should have banned you even sooner than he did.

Z28boy1992
01-06-2004, 02:37 PM
well thats just dandy GTSTANG

GTStang
01-06-2004, 07:30 PM
Oh yes it is! Hey maybe you learned something and can now be a productive member of AF. I was just explaining the details of your banning you wanted to leave out.

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