3rd gen Mustang VS 3rd Gen Camaro

hey man, its not enough that you kicked him from the stang forum, now you gotta hound him here, geeze, give the kid a break, let him trash talk the stangs on the camaro forum if he wants, we all do. crap you do!!!! look at your sig. we all talk up our cars, if you ask me, my 305 RS can take a mclaren. stock! :)

as far as the old engine vlad, ill be using everything but the long block. so its just the block, rotating assembly and heads. and ill probly bag em and tag em, and keep em around just in case. ya know, if i ever want to restore the car to original condition some day down the road. everything im doing to the car is reversable.

the 305 came out when the 307 went away.
i think to save money the gm changed to the 305
to use the 350's crank because after the 350 replaced the 327 the 307 was the only engine to
use the 327 crankshaft and the 350 had it's own crank. also because of the increased stroke they could decrease the bore more for emissions.

for the debate i thought of an "Ask Marlan" fromCar Craft may '99 and the table of camaro TPI vs. mustang 5.0L EFI it went...
Avg. Z28 5.0L-TPI/5-speed: 15.03@92
'91 Camaro B4C 5.7L/Auto
(police car w/lightbar): [email protected]
'91 Camaro 1LE 5.0L-TPI/5-speed
(230hp lightweight car): [email protected]
Avg. Mustang GT 5.0L/5-speed: 14.7@92
Avg.Mustang LX 5.0L/5-speed
(lightweight car): 14.4@95
'91 Camaro 1LE 5.7L/Auto
(245hp lightweight car): 14.31@96
the article also had a possability as to how the mustang got it's "kick-butt reputation"...
most V-8 third-gen. camaros had only a 305-TBI
even the TPI cars there were levels of performance depending on cam and exhaust system and rear end ratio. the really good TPI cars were few in numbers while all mustangs were pretty much alike plus ford was developing aftermarket for the mustang while gm cared about other stuff.

more times from C/D and M/T
year car ci hp tq wt 60 1/4
84 SVO 140/176/210 3102 7.5 15.5@90
85 IROC 5-sp. 305/190/240 3442 7.5 15.4@90 L-69
85 IROC Auto 305/215/275 3510 7.0 15.2@91 TPI
87 Saleen 302/225/300 3289 7.5 15.2@90
89 MustangLX 302/225/300 3187 6.2 14.8@95
89 Turbo TA 231/250/340 3468 4.6 13.4@101
93 Cobra 302/235/285 3248 5.6 14.3@98
93 Z28 350/275/325 3452 5.3 14@100
93 Formula 350/275/325 3434 5.5 14.2@99
79 Z28 350/170/265 3560 8.5 [email protected]
79 Mustang 302/140/250 2962 8.7 16.8@82

also the TBI 305 IS a truck engine my friends van has the same LO3 RPO. the TBI was the base V-8 and it replaced the LG4 which was the old base V-8, also 305 ci, the normal car engine. all those 305s and the olds 307, on top of being natural torque makers, all were designed to make maximum low end torque to overcome gm's fuel economy solution of rear gears as low as 2.14:1 but ford probably did the same thing
also the normal FI ford 302 was rated close to the 305 in hp and ford never offerd the boring 302 in the mustang
so it comes down to personal preference between gm and ford

but i'll always go with GM

WELL IM GLAD I FOUND THIS POST... i own both cars and i work on them lightly , cus i aint no cert tech, my 89 foxbody cherry red convertible and my 91 maro RS. i absolutely loooooove my stang.... the high quick rev and all the torque is fun, i love how it handles, and it catches the eye but in the end the F-BODY gets it, I think the camaro lays constant, steady and stable power down. my mustang gets so fishy everytime i lay on it, and i jus think when i get on the camaro it STICKS!!!!
of course the low center of gravity and wider body help but in the end give it up to the third gen F-Body i like t-tops better than a leaky ass top anyway.

In 1987 When Ford Reintroduced The Efi Motor And Tweaked The Cars Look A Bit. It Was Considered The Fastest Stock Mustang Ever. If You Bought The Notch Lx With A 5.0 5-spd With The Optional 3.08 Race Gear, All You Had To Do Was Lighten It Up(seats, And Extraeneous Trim) It, For A Fact, Ran 12.80's. If You Dont Believe Me Just Read The April 2002 Issue Of Muscle Mustangs And Fast Fords.....250hp-2600lbs(mustang) Vs. 240hp-3200lbs(firebird) Do The Math...by The Way Most 3rd Gen Camaros With V8's Didnt Have The 5.7's Until About 1990. Even Then It Was Only An Optional Motor. Before That You Had A 5.0 Tpi In The Camaro And God Be With You If You Had The 5.0 Quadrajet Motor. The Mustang Was By Far A Better Vehicle, And Lets Not Get Into Manueverability Becuase Thats Too Much Typing. And The Only Reason I "know" All This Is Because Ive Had The Best Of Both

Oops The Efi 5.0 Was 225 Hp.....my Bad Too Much Typing

Ford Also Had T-tops On The Mustang From 82 Until A Very Few In 87

In 1987 When Ford Reintroduced The Efi Motor And Tweaked The Cars Look A Bit. It Was Considered The Fastest Stock Mustang Ever. If You Bought The Notch Lx With A 5.0 5-spd With The Optional 3.08 Race Gear, All You Had To Do Was Lighten It Up(seats, And Extraeneous Trim) It, For A Fact, Ran 12.80's. If You Dont Believe Me Just Read The April 2002 Issue Of Muscle Mustangs And Fast Fords.....250hp-2600lbs(mustang) Vs. 240hp-3200lbs(firebird) Do The Math...by The Way Most 3rd Gen Camaros With V8's Didnt Have The 5.7's Until About 1990. Even Then It Was Only An Optional Motor. Before That You Had A 5.0 Tpi In The Camaro And God Be With You If You Had The 5.0 Quadrajet Motor. The Mustang Was By Far A Better Vehicle, And Lets Not Get Into Manueverability Becuase Thats Too Much Typing. And The Only Reason I "know" All This Is Because Ive Had The Best Of Both

350 tpi was in a few car in 85 ,more in 86 and even more in 87 and so on and so on. Ive driven both. After driving a camaro pretty much my whole time on the road, a mustang handles like a cadillac. Its high up and doesnt feel like its hugging the road at all while the camaro seems planted on the pavement. Altho I did enjoy the somewhat ample horsepower of a 91 GT motor. My lil 305 HO carb motor cant keep up with the newer (89+) 5.0's on the straightaway. My 97 sure can tho heheh:) but thats a much newer car. Ive never met anyone with an 83-84 mustang with a 302 , not one thats near stock anyways. Id love to run a v8 84 mustang in stock trim and see how I do. I dont think 84 was a good year for any muscle car.

yeah, i might give the strait away to the stang for those years, cuz the 305 was a dog engine, but all you have to do is go to car and driver or any other mag, and the camaro always beat the stang. my best description was that the camaro was a serious car, that performed like it was. and the stang was a fun bubbly car. lol. thanx, fun is always good, but when im driving, im always very serious.

my best description was that the camaro was a serious car, that performed like it was. and the stang was a fun bubbly car. lol. thanx, fun is always good, but when im driving, im always very serious.

Man oh man looks like someone is waving their private parts in their general direction.... :evillol: :eek7: :lol2: :lol: :rofl:

I use to have an 83 Mustang GT exactly the same as an 84. When I first got it, it was completely stock. It's power and speed are nothing to(175hp) write home about but in 83 it was the highest rated HP Domestic car with that 175hp. Shows how bad times had gotten for
Muscle Cars.

Here is Road & Track's opinion on the battle.

http://www.iroc-z.com/articles/articlepages/1986-2Road&Trackarticle.htm

it was a mustang vs camaro thing and i originally posted camaro all the way and then they started shit with me about how im a noob and all this garbage so i then replied back and the Mustang Mod jerk banned me..
Looks like I should have done an IP ban too. Maybe this time you will learn to be productive.

Doh!!

Looks like I should have done an IP ban too. Maybe this time you will learn to be productive.

I agree with Hiflow..... Don't make is sound so innocent and try to make Hiflow look bad. You had it coming.

I use to have an 83 Mustang GT exactly the same as an 84. When I first got it, it was completely stock. It's power and speed are nothing to(175hp) write home about but in 83 it was the highest rated HP Domestic car with that 175hp. Shows how bad times had gotten for
Muscle Cars.

Here is Road & Track's opinion on the battle.

http://www.iroc-z.com/articles/articlepages/1986-2Road&Trackarticle.htm

If im not mistaken wasnt 83 the first year of the 305 HO (L69 )in the camaro ??? 190hp/245tq , I believe that would have had it on top that year. I cant imagine a time when my 84 was king of the hill performance wise. I love the car all the same tho. It has enough torque to deal with most unserious ricers altho theres what I would say is a 13 second civic down here , which would hand me my ass. Every now and then my car surprises me tho ....

If im not mistaken wasnt 83 the first year of the 305 HO (L69 )in the camaro ??? 190hp/245tq , I believe that would have had it on top that year. I cant imagine a time when my 84 was king of the hill performance wise. I love the car all the same tho. It has enough torque to deal with most unserious ricers altho theres what I would say is a 13 second civic down here , which would hand me my ass. Every now and then my car surprises me tho ....

Every where I have read the 83 Mustang GT's 175hp was the most out of a domestic mostly cause no Vette that year. The Camaro's was 165hp I believe that year. Then in 84 the return of the Vette made the Vette the highest. Believe me when I drove my 83 GT in stock form and the found out that was the highest HP domestic in 83. I though those must of been some really sad days for America performance car lovers.

Every where I have read the 83 Mustang GT's 175hp was the most out of a domestic mostly cause no Vette that year. The Camaro's was 165hp I believe that year. Then in 84 the return of the Vette made the Vette the highest. Believe me when I drove my 83 GT in stock form and the found out that was the highest HP domestic in 83. I though those must of been some really sad days for America performance car lovers.
Actually the specs I have for 83 list the Z28 with 190hp at 4800 rpms and 240 ft-lbs or torque at 3200 rpms. It was 82 where the Z28 made 165 hp with the LU5 305ci motor.

And yes BigJustin, 83 was the first year for the L69 305ci motor in the Z28.

Actually the specs I have for 83 list the Z28 with 190hp at 4800 rpms and 240 ft-lbs or torque at 3200 rpms. It was 82 where the Z28 made 165 hp with the LU5 305ci motor.

And yes BigJustin, 83 was the first year for the L69 305ci motor in the Z28.

Yea ya all right it was 83 for the L69 making 190hp. I stand corrected.

Every where I have read the 83 Mustang GT's 175hp was the most out of a domestic mostly cause no Vette that year. The Camaro's was 165hp I believe that year. Then in 84 the return of the Vette made the Vette the highest. Believe me when I drove my 83 GT in stock form and the found out that was the highest HP domestic in 83. I though those must of been some really sad days for America performance car lovers.

they were surely sad days for the american muscle car. Altho I think the cars of the period outhandled anything from the 60's and they were somewhat more refined. Ill give the 84 l69 one thing , I got 183k miles on the stock bottom end and I have beaten the hell outta the thing and the bottom end has never given (knocking on wooden desk furiously).

wow, i just got trumped in camaro knowledge by two stang bangers lol, thats kind depressing.

i always thought the 3rd gen Mustangs were the Mustang II's or the Mustangs of that era. And the foxes were the 4th generation?

i aint a mustang fan... big deal hiflow... let it go.. jesus.... it like happened over a week ago haha.... its old...

its hilarious too you ban everybody that you dont agree with.. if there a asshole or not... let ppl have there own opinion... not everybody likes the stang..

i aint a mustang fan... big deal hiflow... let it go.. jesus.... it like happened over a week ago haha.... its old...


Wow man your like that person who just has to always get in the last word. He didn't ban your IP, if you just dropped it, no more would be made of it but you just have to keep pushing.

wow, i just got trumped in camaro knowledge by two stang bangers lol, thats kind depressing.
Hey man don't worry about it. I may own a Mustang, and prefer them, but contrary to popular belief, I actually like many other makes and models, even Camaro's.

its hilarious too you ban everybody that you dont agree with.. if there a asshole or not... let ppl have there own opinion... not everybody likes the stang..
Oh yeah, cause I have banned so many people. :screwy: I have banned a total of three people, all of which were recking havoc. Consider yourself lucky that your still around.

what can i say .... thanks

damn, so much animosity

haha

Cant we all just get along :smokin: :iceslolan

i honeslty dont even care anymore and never shouldd... all i did is posted up my opinion...

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Where are you fellas getting your Camaro-Mustang info? Honestly, the Mustangs 5.0 302 featured a factory roller camshaft and factory tubular headers with true dual exhaust.... and ran anywhere from mid 14's (in the lightweight trunk edition coupe) and mid 15's (the hatchback models)in the quarter mile from the factory. GMs 5.0 305 was lucky to run in the 15 second range. Actually the 1987 and later IROC 5.7 (350) L98 TPI motors were only recording times of mid 14's to low 15's........ I have vintage factory VHS and DVD footage on my website at www.SuperCarVideos.com to prove this.....

One thing I will add is the Mustang had absolutely "nothing" on the Camaro in the handling and braking dept. The Camaros suspension componants were ahead of there time......

I say shoot the fucker. He has it coming with that goofy look on his face and shoot the rest of these fuckers while your at it. I'll miss you guys.

eh, you feeling alright there John??? :eek7: :grinno:

And did anyone else notice (ah-hem! coughmodscough) that this thread is over a bloody year old?

I feel fine, don't take it personally that I said to shoot you. I have been postals for years now. I am just expressing myself also its a been a hobby of Geno's for a couple of months now to bring threads back from the dead although the newbie started it.

it was the "I'll miss you guys" part that confused me...

I don't even remember posting in this thread its so old.
Randy's out!

(for good)

i once beat an old lady in her wheel chair with my mustang and a old guy in a gremlin with my camaro

sorry it took awhile, This thread is offically done....


If I catch anyone elese bringing up old threads like this, it will be a min. month vacation from AF! :nono:

This is also a warning... supercarvideos... don't try to advertise stuff for sale. I will be watching you like a hawk. If I see any posts with that link in them again, you are done.

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