on par with gt?

I was driving home the other day from class and a new GT was riding my ass, so I floored it and he must have to because he stayed right on my ass but didnt really gain or pass me or anything. I started to slow down cause he were hitting 90 in a 45(and I didnt feel like causing an accident :screwy: )... and he pulled up next to me and I looked at him and he didnt look or anything, he was like my age, and we came up to a red light and he turned left. :sly: I know he may have just been in a hurry and wanted to get home, but it was the perfect street and time for a quick run. He probly could have taken me, but I wonder we he didnt even try?

I know its not like racing an EVO 8 or a Viper or anything, but its my first thread in here :icon16: . Ill have some more, and hopefully against a little more exotic cars too. Once spring comes around and my credit cards are paid off I think Im gonna try and put together a turbo setup... my new project... :smokin:

You have a gsr right? Is it stock? The new mustang GT's run low 15 to high 14's here stock. So I would say if your teg is stock then he might pull on you a little but not anything more than 1/2 car but if you have I/H/E then you would probably take him. My :2cents:

BTW good run, I love hearing of tegs running with mustangs. :p

If your running low 15's high 14's in a 99+ GT Stang you are a shitty shitty driver.

haha yea i was about to say, they are more low 14 sec cars arent they?

If your running low 15's high 14's in a 99+ GT Stang you are a shitty shitty driver.

Maybe WHTTEG has some shitty stang drivers in his area, just a thought.

GTSTANG
Is that your mustang in your avatar? props if it is(not the mustang, but the women...:naughty:) nice.

Well sense the 99 SVT cobra is rated as a 14.1 car I don't see how the GT could be as fast or faster :sly:. The ones I am talking about are bone stock no exhaust no intake system etc. If you are saying that a completely stock GT is a low 14 sec car then I would love to see this mistry GT. And I live in an area were domestics out weight imports by about 10:1 My :2cents:

you cant trust anything these days with times unless they are from consumers not magazines, ive seen evo times vary from 13.2 to 14.1 in published magazines :screwy:

From several websites.

my friend mike ran a 15.6 @ 89mph a couple times at PMI with his completely stock 02 Mustang GT. His 60ft was a 2.3, and Im sure he can get that lower but hes on the stock tires too and PMI sucks.

I've seen '02 GTs hit 15.2s and along with the pre 99 Cobras. The 94-98 GTs were stuck in the 16.3-5 range and the V6s are alone in the 17s. The '01 Cobras were good for high 14s but the new 390hp Cobra should be good for high 13s.

Another one had the 99 cobra at 13.9 and the 03 at 13.3

So who knows.

you cant trust anything these days with times unless they are from consumers not magazines, ive seen evo times vary from 13.2 to 14.1 in published magazines :screwy:

Yeah I know that magizines are off alot of the time, but from personal experience I have never seen a stock gt of any year make anything better than a 14.7 and that was only one most were in the 14.9 range. The cobra svt's were in the 14.2 range and the new SVT Cobra's were in the 12.8-9 range. I don't doubt that with an K&N fiter charger and exhaust you could easily see low 14's but completely stock come on:disappoin. I will believe it when I see it.

From several websites.

my friend mike ran a 15.6 @ 89mph a couple times at PMI with his completely stock 02 Mustang GT. His 60ft was a 2.3, and Im sure he can get that lower but hes on the stock tires too and PMI sucks.

I've seen '02 GTs hit 15.2s and along with the pre 99 Cobras. The 94-98 GTs were stuck in the 16.3-5 range and the V6s are alone in the 17s. The '01 Cobras were good for high 14s but the new 390hp Cobra should be good for high 13s.

Another one had the 99 cobra at 13.9 and the 03 at 13.3

So who knows, i havent heard from many myself, but that seems right.

I'm not saying you haven't seen those times I believe it. I've seen it too but for every1 of those I have seen 3X as many absolutely stock GT's run low 14's to mid 14's that's the average I have seen at NED. These were not my cars but I drove a friends 01GT Auto stock to a 14.3 and my bro-in-laws 03GT vert 5-speed to 14.6 both at NED. And I by no means consider myself a great driver. I just know how to get out of the hole effieciently.

I don't know PMI it maybe a track the historically produces bad times?

I have never seen any stock/almost-stock GT's of any year break a 14.7 on our local track.

There's a lot of very-modded ones doing much better than that, but again, I am referring to stock/almost stock.

I've also seen far too many 15.XX runs from stockers as they'd probably care to admit.

Well it's like any RWD torquey car just cause you can afford it doesn't mean you can drive it. LoL

ive seen a few stock 02-03 gt's pull low 14's at capitol raceway here in md

Guys its the track. Mustangs dont like High Altitudes. At a good track a good driver should have no problems running low 14s in a 99+ GT.

Guys, with all due respect you import guys need to get to the track more or go to a track with better drivers. And,I see a few guys referring to drag strip experience and a whole lot more referring to magazine numbers.

Note: Mag numbers are okay for reference but if you aren't into the scene and don't hit the track from time to time don't talk like you know about what is going on.

I trust Carrrnut and think he has either seen a lot of driver's that suck or a brutal track at high altitude. I am calling B.S. on some of you guys as it is obvious your info came from Car and Driver or Automobile, and despite what you may believe you are not fooling anyone. When someone knows their stuff it shows...end of story.

I have a buddy that has an 03 GT convertible loaded to the gills with an exhaust and filter, nothing else, who has run a low fourteen second quarter so I promise you a 400lb lighter GT coupe can do the same bone stock.

Yes, there are a lot of Mustang's out there that don't quarter as fast as they should...may I point you to the driver? Matter of fact I bet these are the domestic guys who spend more time readin magazines than going out and learning what the real deal is.

Man, if this place had a B.S. filter half of these guys would be banned within 24 hours. Sorry to go off carnnut but I just can't handle some of these guys who don't know anything and don't know that they don't know.

Guys, with all due respect you import guys need to get to the track more or go to a track with better drivers. And,I see a few guys referring to drag strip experience and a whole lot more referring to magazine numbers.

Note: Mag numbers are okay for reference but if you aren't into the scene and don't hit the track from time to time don't talk like you know about what is going on.

I trust Carrrnut and think he has either seen a lot of driver's that suck or a brutal track at high altitude. I am calling B.S. on some of you guys as it is obvious your info came from Car and Driver or Automobile, and despite what you may believe you are not fooling anyone. When someone knows their stuff it shows...end of story.

I have a buddy that has an 03 GT convertible loaded to the gills with an exhaust and filter, nothing else, who has run a low fourteen second quarter so I promise you a 400lb lighter GT coupe can do the same bone stock.

Yes, there are a lot of Mustang's out there that don't quarter as fast as they should...may I point you to the driver? Matter of fact I bet these are the domestic guys who spend more time readin magazines than going out and learning what the real deal is.

Man, if this place had a B.S. filter half of these guys would be banned within 24 hours. Sorry to go off carnnut but I just can't handle some of these guys who don't know anything and don't know that they don't know.

I absolutely hope that this was in no way refering to me! :sly:

I absolutely hope that this was in no way refering to me! :sly:

I am not trying to start a flame war, but I am also going to call it like it is. C'mon man, get real. A bone stock Integra GSR getting beaten by a 99-up GT by a half a car length? Man, you cannot be serious.

I don't have a problem with the GSR, but at some point in time a bit of realism has to be injected. Assuming both driver's are good drivers an S2000 would be pretty lucky to take a 99-up GT at the strip. An Integra doesn't stand a chance.

In all seriousness, when Honda people begin to wonder where their credibility goes do posts like these not tell anyone something? Somebody qouted 13.3 seconds as the 03 Cobra's 1/4 mile time, how convenient that this number was just published in a Hot Rod magazine test between the Cobra and the STi.

In their tv show the Hot Rod guys also mention that the Cobra was much more difficult to drive well down the 1/4 than the WRX and they felt there was a lot more left in the snake than they got from it. Ironically nobody from the import crowd ever mentions THAT part of the comparison.

From my experience AT THE STRIP Cobra's are easy high to mid twelve second cars on a good day with a good driver...bone freakin stock. 12.8's are fairly common and I have seen a 12.6 with mine own two eyes. A Mach-1 is capable of mid thirteens (13.4-13.5) from what little I have seen of them on the track and GT's can be low 14's all day long...bone stock.

See, my problem is either I live in the land of incredibly gifted drivers, or somebody is just spewing mag numbers. As I said before I have read a lot of what carrnut says, I respect his opinion, and I trust what he says. I think he has seen some really, really bad drivers, but for every Honda guys in here to have never seen better than that either means that most of them don't frequent the strip much if at all.

And before somebody accuses me of "hatin' on imports" the "go fast" guys I hang out with are a very diverse mix. Matter of fact I am the only Ford guy in the bunch. Last time we hung out there was an early ninties MR2 non turbo, two last gen 300ZX TT's, a Mk IV Supra TT, a last gen RX7 TT, and a Z28 SS. All of these guys would pass out if someone told them a bone stock 99-up GT was good for no better than high fourteens....because they bothered to take the time to really find out and know that this ain't so.

Ya I believe Carrrnuts track is at 5000+ elavation. No way in hell any car is going to get a good time there unless its forced inducted.

Yeah I know that magizines are off alot of the time, but from personal experience I have never seen a stock gt of any year make anything better than a 14.7 and that was only one most were in the 14.9 range. The cobra svt's were in the 14.2 range and the new SVT Cobra's were in the 12.8-9 range. I don't doubt that with an K&N fiter charger and exhaust you could easily see low 14's but completely stock come on:disappoin. I will believe it when I see it.
Maybe some one else was quoting those times that you said but read my post above. It clearly says 12.8-9 for the new SVT cobra. And 14.2 range for the N/A SVT cobras. Come one man I go to the drag strip ever friday that they are having fast friday grudge night. I have also been going to this for 4 yrs now. I think in 4 yrs I would have seen enough cars run to know what to post about. Maybe where you live they are running low 14's but here it has never happened, or I have never seen it. But to say that I need to get to the track more is obserd! And before you think that I am one of those import guys that hates on mustangs, I am not. My first car was a mustang. And I would love to get another one, but I am happy with my integra for now. There are plans in the future for a stang though, so don't think that. But seriously I think you have a problem with honda. Hmm carrrnuttt's post was basically agreeing with mine and yet his post is ok, but mine is questionable? Is it because I drive a honda and he doesn't ? :disappoin

No, I respect what carrnut says because IMO he has earned a degree of credibility with me. And no, I do not have a problem with Honda's or Honda drivers per se. My fiance drives a 98 Honda Accord that she bought at my reccomendation to prove my point.

Although, I will say (as I have said before) every other Honda 'enthusiast" I run into claims to have beaten a Mustang Cobra with his Civic EX. And, half of them claim the Cobra they smoked was an 03. So yes, I have developed a tendency to take what I hear from Honda guys with a grain of salt initially.

I realize that this is not a "Honda" only issue as I have run into a++'holes that profess loyalty to every auto make. However, some do seem worse than others overall with an example being I cannot stand to be in Bowling Green when the Corvette guys are there. There are some nice guys in the mix but an amazingly high amount are just jerks.

An example of the opposite would be Grand National/GNX guys as I love to be in Bowling Green when they are around. I am no Buick guy, but the cars are awesome, the guys are very knowledgable (More turbo knowledge in one place than should be legal) and they have been courteous and helpful every time I am there.

As a Ford guys I fully understand that I myself am often in an a++hole rich environment among other "enthusiasts" who subscribe to the Ford brand. I will also point out that several supposed Ford enthusiasts are what I refer to as "5 Liter" guys who don't realize Ford ever built a car before the Fox body Mustang, and I don't claim these guys as part of the same Ford enthusiast family as myself. (Don't get me wrong, i love the 5.0L V-8 and the Mustang, this is just a descriptive term I use that I think is self explanitory)

I am not questioning your post in particular, what I AM questioning is that I know several people with low 14 second GT's that are bone stock, but not ONE Honda guy in here has ever seen this and all of them spend time at the track? No way, the odds on that would be astro-friggin-nomical.

I will put more value in what you have said now because you were willing to defend your position and take me to task for what you felt was an attack on your credibility. If you felt as though I was attacking your credibility I sincerely apologize as that was not my intent. I was and will continue attacking the credibility of the idea that not one Honda guy in this thread has seen a Mustang run those and yet they are all supposedly as versed in drag racing as their post's insinuate they are?

I will also point you to the large number of people who were making ridiculous claims as to what the Mustang's quarter like and are now strangely silent. I have a pretty good idea of why so many of them are silent on this issue now.

I said it before and I will stand by it, the Mustang GT is a low 14 second car all day every day...easily. As you and carrnut have never seen this I have to chalk it up to mediocre drivers or carrnut's high altitude track.

Are you a lawyer or what? Thats what being educated does. Regardless of whether you're right or not, the demeanor with which you engaged the topic at hand made you really sound knowledgable, and people arent going to doubt an intelligent person as much as they would someone whos posts must be read several times to comprehend(not because of the complexity of the words, but because they cant type worth crap.) Anyways, I simply searched for any 1/4 mile postings of actual GT owners, which wasnt the best idea I'll admit, but in the short time I searched, I had a difficult time telling whether the car was stock or not, and that, Im guessing, is why the times I put were so crappy.(I'll never do it again :cwm27:)

Well...let me clear some things up.
An S2000 will smack a Mustang GT. There is no comparison. s2000 run 13.9-14.1 while GTs run 14.6-14.9

Ive ran with a V8 GT 98 mustang at the strip, im at 5000 ft elevation. The mustang beat my civic SiR by 1 and a half car lenght during the whole 1/4 mile track. he ran 16.8 while I ran 17.2. He got me in the launch and then he couldnt pull on me. I dont talk shit...people that know my posts will confirm that. Im not saying a teg is faster than a GT all im sayiing is that from my experience GTs arent really fast, the s2000 eats them.

I have the video, I dont post without evidence, upon request.

Joy another Ford vs Honda/Acura war.
I've never seen a stock GT break into 14's, and actually saw one run a 16.1 (now THAT's a shitty driver), so there's my 2¢.

Well...let me clear some things up.
An S2000 will smack a Mustang GT. There is no comparison. s2000 run 13.9-14.1 while GTs run 14.6-14.9

Ive ran with a V8 GT 98 mustang at the strip, im at 5000 ft elevation. The mustang beat my civic SiR by 1 and a half car lenght during the whole 1/4 mile track. he ran 16.8 while I ran 17.2. He got me in the launch and then he couldnt pull on me. I dont talk shit...people that know my posts will confirm that. Im not saying a teg is faster than a GT all im sayiing is that from my experience GTs arent really fast, the s2000 eats them.

I have the video, I dont post without evidence, upon request.

Negative. My GT stock ran 14.3. I have no problem with stock S2000s. My friends 5spd GT with 4.10 gears ran a high 13 second pass on bald shitty tires. Im not sure what my car can do now but well see once the track opens again. If it helps you any, Im dead even with the GT I just mentioned and can keep up with mach 1s up until 80.

Also a 98 GT is in a whole different ball game than a 99 GT. They lack the Heads/cam/intake the 99s have. The 99s would surely put a beating on a 98 GT especially the higher the rpms they go.

Remember, the higher the elavation the worse a naturally aspirated car will run. Hell Id be surprised if any stock car in 4000+ Alt. would run its rated time. If this wasnt true then why is there such a thing as 14 second LS1s and mid-high 13 second Cobras and Z06s? So in essence, its not the cars fault its the shitty ass track you guys are racing at.

I'm in Ohio, right next to a great lake...

But still DkShadow, I know New GTs are faster, they run mid, high 14s with a decent driver, but s2000s run very high 13s, low 14s. You know half a second is an eternity in 1/4 mile racing.

Well, with all due respect I have been to the strip often enough and have yet to see one driver get a stock S2000 within sniffing distance of a 13 second quarter.

I have heard several claims that this can be done, but have yet to see it done. However, you don't see a ton of S2000's at the strip either...at least not near here.....so.

From my experience both cars are in the low 14's and GT's seem to get there more often with the GT turning times a bit deeper into the 14's than the S2000. I have yet to see a Honda/Acura badged car that can turn a 13 second quarter, stock, aside from the NSX.

No, this is not a Ford/Honda flame war IMO. I would consider this more of a basic-reason versus fantasy-land war.

And no, I am not a lawyer. But, I am a law student.

but not ONE Honda guy in here has ever seen this and all of them spend time at the track?

*Raises hand*

If you look back i believe i did say that i have seen it, I drive a honda, I'm a honda guy.....

I have to agree with whtteg on this one. We live in the same city and we both go to the drag strip that's not a 20 minute's drive north from where we live. They hold an open session usually every Friday during the spring and summer for anyone who can scrape together the $15 it costs to run your own car all day and night. Mostly attended by domestic and import enthusiasts, with the occaisonal professional and semi-pro driver mixed in.

Typically, we see more Mustangs than anything else up here. A LOT. I'm not debunking Mustangs in the least - they're great cars and fast cars at that. However, we have not personally seen the times most Mustang owners claim. Not saying they're not fast, but we just haven't seen good times where we live with stock Mustangs. And to add, I rarely see S2000's at the strip as well.

its your track...



Either that or every mustang driver in your city suck at driving

Here is a slip of a stock S2000 and me :D If the pic is small then hold your mouse over it and click the boxs that pops up.
http://whtteg.tripod.com/index2.html

its your track...



Either that or every mustang driver in your city suck at driving
excuses, excuses, excuses....

man, i look at every post you make avitar, signature, comments...and think to myself. God please grant us with the gift of having only domestic cars here in america. ford, chrystler and GM have blessed us with the glory of a superior automobile. it is too bad that the world is tainted with the misfortue of imported automobiles.

snap out of it.

excuses, excuses, excuses....

man, i look at every post you make avitar, signature, comments...and think to myself. God please grant us with the gift of having only domestic cars here in america. ford, chrystler and GM have blessed us with the glory of a superior automobile. it is too bad that the world is tainted with the misfortue of imported automobiles.

snap out of it.
Hey stfu you stupid noob. You know shit about me or about anything. Keep thinking you know everything and get used to being a little magazine racer cause thats all youll ever amount to.
:loser:

Also, pheurton-skeurto, If you dont like my Avatar.. Dont look at it, if you dont like my sig... Dont read it. Im not here holding your eyes open and forcing you to look at it. I havent talked shit about Hondas, especially in this Forum so do me a favor and STFU.

its your track...

Either that or every mustang driver in your city suck at driving

Quite possibly both.

A lot of people where we live don't know how to drive correctly, either on the track or off. :biggrin: Mostly filled with clueless ricers in our area though driving both domestic and import cars - and big egos to back up their fake horsepower.

I can't really comment on the track though. I don't know how our track compares to others to really determine if it's a fast or slow track. I hear from some people it might be a slower track, but don't quote me on that.

Hey stfu you stupid noob. You know shit about me or about anything. Keep thinking you know everything and get used to being a little magazine racer cause thats all youll ever amount to.
:loser:
TOny Danza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry...its my 200th post (im still a 'noob' though), and i just wanted to type 'tony danza.' hes a great guy and an even better actor. sweet fuckin christ, hes 'the boss!'

I'm not saying you haven't seen those times I believe it. I've seen it too but for every1 of those I have seen 3X as many absolutely stock GT's run low 14's to mid 14's that's the average I have seen at NED. These were not my cars but I drove a friends 01GT Auto stock to a 14.3 and my bro-in-laws 03GT vert 5-speed to 14.6 both at NED. And I by no means consider myself a great driver. I just know how to get out of the hole effieciently.

I don't know PMI it maybe a track the historically produces bad times?

i was reading your signature and i thought it was pretty funny, but i have to ask you...what the hell is an LS1 and an LT1?

i was reading your signature and i thought it was pretty funny, but i have to ask you...what the hell is an LS1 and an LT1?

Some badass V8s rated at 300 and 325 respectively, found in newer z28s

i was reading your signature and i thought it was pretty funny, but i have to ask you...what the hell is an LS1 and an LT1?
read this thread:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=164386

:D

read this thread:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=164386

:D


:lol:messed up dude....:rofl:

Here is a slip of a stock S2000 and me :D If the pic is small then hold your mouse over it and click the boxs that pops up.
http://whtteg.tripod.com/index2.html

Thanks for the slip. And, while this guy is closer to 13's than any driver I have ever seen (about two tenths better than what I recalll having seen as a previous best) I will also take this as yet another brick in the "the S2000 is not a 13 second car stock" wall. Closer, but still not there.

Yeah the s2000 is NOT A 13sec car.
Yeah the GT 03 is NOT faster or as fast as an s2000.
AMEN!

Also, pheurton-skeurto, If you dont like my Avatar.. Dont look at it, if you dont like my sig... Dont read it. Im not here holding your eyes open and forcing you to look at it. I havent talked shit about Hondas, especially in this Forum so do me a favor and STFU.

Your sig shouldn't bother anybody. There are numerous reasons, but I wont risk listing them, no need for more arguing.

read this thread:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=164386

:D

thanks for the info. i'm still confused as shit, but i guess somethings are just not meant to be learned. all that talk about LS1 and then the movement into LT1 really confused me. i dont mean to be biased, but i thought that v-tec was only a honda thing.

Thanks for the slip. And, while this guy is closer to 13's than any driver I have ever seen (about two tenths better than what I recalll having seen as a previous best) I will also take this as yet another brick in the "the S2000 is not a 13 second car stock" wall. Closer, but still not there.

Silverstreak from Bimmerforums managed a 13.66 with his buddy's stock S2000 (granted, with some prep): http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34925&highlight=13.66+S2000

I also know of several S owners in the 13.8-13.9 range consistently with their stock S2000's.

Still not what you would consider a "13-second car" per sé, more like a 14.0 car...but 13's is HIGHLY possible with proper driving.

Yeah the s2000 is NOT A 13sec car.
Yeah the GT 03 is NOT faster or as fast as an s2000.
AMEN!
Tell that to the one I beat :grinno:









**Im going to be buying a Camera this weekend. That way I can tape races with cars. Hopefully Ill find another S2k and post it up here, Win or Lose. :) **

Yeah the s2000 is NOT A 13sec car.
Yeah the GT 03 is NOT faster or as fast as an s2000.
AMEN!

I will still, respectfully, disagree with that second statement. Sorry...and amen.

Tell that to the one I beat :grinno:



**Im going to be buying a Camera this weekend. That way I can tape races with cars. Hopefully Ill find another S2k and post it up here, Win or Lose. :) **

Maybe he wasn't the best driver. :rolleyes:

Maybe he wasn't the best driver. :rolleyes:
:sly:

I will still, respectfully, disagree with that second statement. Sorry...and amen.

Not according to these:
http://honda.jbroadtests.com/S2000/2002/index3.php
http://ford.jbcarpages.com/Mustang/2002/index4.php#v6

2003 Ford Mustang GT 1/4: 14.7
2002 Honda S2000 1/4: 14.4

Also, don't bring up the "but this driver did that on the track, and this one did that", bullcrap...when magazines test the cars, they test them in true street-trim...no tire-pressure adjustments, no missing spares or jacks, and most importantly, they test them with radar-equipment from a dead-stop on an unprepped surface.

Quarter tracks vary due to different prep statuses, and you can do rolling starts in between the two sets of staging lights, depending on how deep you stage.

A run from a true dead-stop should've benefitted the live-axle GT more...

I think that neither side is going to convince the other of their opinion, it is just ging to keep going back and forth. :p

Not according to these:
http://honda.jbroadtests.com/S2000/2002/index3.php
http://ford.jbcarpages.com/Mustang/2002/index4.php#v6

2003 Ford Mustang GT 1/4: 14.7
2002 Honda S2000 1/4: 14.4

Also, don't bring up the "but this driver did that on the track, and this one did that", bullcrap...when magazines test the cars, they test them in true street-trim...no tire-pressure adjustments, no missing spares or jacks, and most importantly, they test them with radar-equipment from a dead-stop on an unprepped surface.

Quarter tracks vary due to different prep statuses, and you can do rolling starts in between the two sets of staging lights, depending on how deep you stage.

A run from a true dead-stop should've benefitted the live-axle GT more...
As much as I would like to agree with you, real time numbers is what matters not magazines or online stats. Most magazines cant drive worth a crap, though I do recall Motortrend running a 14.1 with a GT.

As much as I would like to agree with you, real time numbers is what matters not magazines or online stats. Most magazines cant drive worth a crap, though I do recall Motortrend running a 14.1 with a GT.
That's exactly my point. "Realtime numbers", as much as we wouldn't want to magazine-race, are achieved usually on a prepped track, with a prepped vehicle...stock or not.

Just like that eample I gave of a bone-stock S2000 doing a 13.66, I wouldn't exactly call the car in "street-trim" as tire-pressures have been played with, and some extra weight was taken out.

How do we know these examples we hear of "stock" GTs running mid-13's isn't the same as the "stock" S2000 example I have?

Don't get me wrong, as much as I have said that GTs have ran mid-15's at my local track by my witness, so have I seen an S2000 and a 350Z do the same.

But when they were being driven right, the S2000's were consistently in the 14.0's-14.3's, while the GTs, as I have stated before, have never went past 14.7...this is stock/near stock.

I'm not just making all this up as I go...I am actually basing this on "real-world" observation and just from publication comparos I have read.

I've also seen a magazine get an S2000 to run a 13.8 in one of their tests. That 14.1 you saw HAD to have come from MM&FF...

BTW: I am also a member at S2KI.com, and their Street Encounters section is littered with Mustang GT kills. You might wanna cruise on over there and tell them to get their head out of their asses, I guess, because it can't be true, right?

Hey carrnut...I like you and I respect your opinion and I think you know that. But, I am going to call it like I have seen it (on those rare occasions that I have seen both types of cars run) and say that with good drivers in a drag race I just don't think a S2000 is as fast through the quarter as a 99-up GT stick both stock. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

Hey carrnut...I like you and I respect your opinion and I think you know that. But, I am going to call it like I have seen it (on those rare occasions that I have seen both types of cars run) and say that with good drivers in a drag race I just don't think a S2000 is as fast through the quarter as a 99-up GT stick both stock. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

What venue was it run in? On the streets, on the track? What mods were on either car? Talk is cheap.

Where's your proof? Here's mine...(copied and edited from another post):


Also, for your viewing pleasure, I present these:

Stock S2000 VS modified 1998 Mustang GT(Right-Click, Save As) (http://www.rc.i4m/org/Videos/S2000@[email protected])

Stock S2000 VS even more modified LX 5.0 (Right-Click, Save As) (http://rc.i4m.org/Videos/S2000@[email protected])

and the best one:
2002 Mustang GT (camera car) talking shit against an S2000 (Right-Click, Save As) (http://rc.i4m.org/Videos/talking_shit.wmv)

Don't forget, in the first two examples, that was a 2001 S2000. It has been proven time and again that 2000-2001 S2000s are slower than the 2002-2003 models, stock-for-stock...which is probably what the third vid has. Also, the 2004's have already shown in one dyno that they are putting-down as much to the wheels as they are rated at the motor.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=171514&page_number=2

and the best one:
2002 Mustang GT (camera car) talking shit against an S2000 (Right-Click, Save As)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAH AHAHA
oh.. ah... oh.. ahh... gotta take a breather after that one. They even jumped the gun on the Honda and it caught up and won, then at the end dude said "that was dead even basically"... oh man, best video ever :thumbsup:

the driver of the LX 5.0 must have just learned to drive a stick cause he took his time with those shifts

Carrnuttt, ill find that Motortrend article and post it up here or you can look for it yourself. :dunno:


Oh and for Mustang Mags, 5.0 Mustangs ran a 13.7 with their GT.

Theres also a vid of a guy from Alabama that owns a fairly stock automatic GT, only KnN and welded in Magnaflows (a wopping gain of 0-2 hp), that ran a 13.8 beating an S2k which ran a 14.2. He has taken it off his sig but Ill try and look for it