Saddam's Captured

well they say he got captured in his own house in the basement hiding lol.

Wrong forum n00b but none the less...

here is the msn link

http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3708151&p1=0

enjoy

Still, this forum gets the most traffic; its going to get talked about here.
STill, I liked how the caption on the news just now said that Saddam was captured, living "in the bottom of a hole". And they caught him with 2 Ak47's, a pistol, $750000 US, and a taxi. Insert stereotype here.

if it is him, and they say dna tests have been taken to confirm this......then it'll certainly be interesting to see if things change in Iraq now...

lets hope this will reduce the guerrila attacks on us troops and other foreign personel


btw whose tribunal do you guys think will judge him?
US Military, Iraqi or Hague?

lol i dont' see how this is in the wrong forum? could of sworn this is "completely off topic" :P

oh my god he looks like santa clause i hope he doesnt bring me a bomb for chrismas! lol

lets hope this will reduce the guerrila attacks on us troops and other foreign personel


btw whose tribunal do you guys think will judge him?
US Military, Iraqi or Hague?

Disregarding the US's (needed) gung-ho, judge jury and executioner position in this whole thing, chances are it'll be done by the either the Iraqi people or some sort of International or Regional board.

On a lighter note, I remember remarking to a friend that he's probably hiding in a hole somewhere. Guess I should pay more attention to my musings a comments...

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:nutkick: GOOD, Thak God we got him. Now we need to get our troops back home.

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:nutkick: GOOD, Thak God we got him. Now we need to get our troops back home.

Yes! Also he will be Bubba's new bitch!

Ok yes i understand how he was captured, and how he did alot of inhumane things. But I dont agree with all of the news stations that keep on showing Saddam being checked for lice. Sure he may have commited alot of crimes, but in the end he didnt put up a fight and is cooperating at the moment. Some of you may not agree with me, but they should show some other pictures of him, instead of rerunning that one. That is complete humiliation, and they are taking away his dignity with those clips. That is just my two cents, but i dont agree with those pictures and video clips they keep on showing.

Graphik...they keep showing the same clips because they are the only ones that the media has at the moment. they aren't gonna have any new media videos/pics of him until he is completely checked out and government photos are givin to them. its a press thing...they show what they have and thats all they have.

And as for it being degrading tohim...was he not living in a hole in the ground??? i think if i lived in a hole..nothing would be more degrading than that. Plus i can think of much more degrading things ppl have posted on the internet about him than getting checked for lice....but thats what you believe..so more power to ya

I agree with everyone else..get our freakin troops home now

Ok yes i understand how he was captured, and how he did alot of inhumane things. But I dont agree with all of the news stations that keep on showing Saddam being checked for lice. Sure he may have commited alot of crimes, but in the end he didnt put up a fight and is cooperating at the moment. Some of you may not agree with me, but they should show some other pictures of him, instead of rerunning that one. That is complete humiliation, and they are taking away his dignity with those clips. That is just my two cents, but i dont agree with those pictures and video clips they keep on showing.

He doesn't deserve any dignity! He deserves to be humiliated, a small dog with his tail between his legs he is! With all the horrid things he's done to so many innocent people, you should know that by now.

oh my god he looks like santa clause i hope he doesnt bring me a bomb for chrismas! lol

:lol:

http://www.tshirthell.com/miscpages/wrap_bomb.shtml

That is complete humiliation, and they are taking away his dignity with those clips. :werd:

Some of you aren't going to like these then!

http://www.rc.i4m.org/Own3d/saddamowned1.jpg

http://www.rc.i4m.org/Own3d/saddamowned2.jpg

http://www.rc.i4m.org/Own3d/saddamowned3.jpg

http://www.rc.i4m.org/Own3d/saddamowned4.jpg

And here's the "Say-Ahhhhh" pic:
http://www.rc.i4m.org/Own3d/say-ahhh.jpg

:thumbsup: :cheers: :rofl: THANK YOU.

Definately a great development. Still have the big one and his lackies to get but this is great! :thumbsup:

For some reason (other than the beard) he doesn't really look like Sadam.
Personally though, if he is the real deal, I don't think he should go to jail, be executed etc. - because he'd make a really cool sideshow at carnival.
"Step right up and take a peek at a murderous dictator... And have him read your fortune for only $2!" :)

They already did DNA testing, and it IS him. The "Say-Ahhh" pic was when they were swabbing him to get a DNA sample...

As far as embarassing him goes, they've been doing interviews with some Iraqi citizens who are saying "I won't believe it 'til I see it". I'd say we get medieval on his ass and parade him through the streets. Maybe borrow the Pope-mobile so he doesn't get assassinated. Full military blanket so no-one tries to rescue him.

As far as a tribunal, I believe it will be Iraqi.

Well, they finally got his ass. Didn't they have a chance to do this... oh, about 12 YEARS ago? Should have done it the last time folks! With the Reagan era still lingering, the general populace of the world might just have had enough of a pair to actually execute him instead of harping about an 'internationla tribunal', how he should just get life in prison and not to humiliate him. Oh, not to mention all the other bullshit they've had to go through to get his ass in the end. It's good that they got him alive though, that way they have live pictures of him to prove that they actually have him. Pretty easy to fake a dead Saddam, but a live one? A bit harder to do.

As for whether or not he should be humiliated... lemme get this straight, he's killed tens or hundreds of thousands of his own people, brutally torturing them first in some cases, had a standing reward for the family of any Muslim who died in suicide attacks against Israel and America, yet you actually give two-tenths of one shit about how they treat him? See what I'm talking about people? Ever since the hippie movement, the world has been totally emasculated. No wonder psychotic criminals dont give a shit about what they do, nothing is going to happen to them in return! They should have confirmed who he was and turned him out naked on the streets of Baghdad, that would have taken care of him pretty quickly.

As for whether or not he should be humiliated... lemme get this straight, he's killed tens or hundreds of thousands of his own people, brutally torturing them first in some cases, had a standing reward for the family of any Muslim who died in suicide attacks against Israel and America, yet you actually give two-tenths of one shit about how they treat him? See what I'm talking about people? Ever since the hippie movement, the world has been totally emasculated. No wonder psychotic criminals dont give a shit about what they do, nothing is going to happen to them in return! They should have confirmed who he was and turned him out naked on the streets of Baghdad, that would have taken care of him pretty quickly. :worshippy :iagree: :worshippy

Another thing, as far as anyone knows he may still see an Iraqi trial. Now there are some people that are far from emasculated :eek7:
"I'd say we get medieval on his ass and parade him through the streets."
They may, That is if Bush jr dosnt put his ass in a cage n give him to his daddy for x-mas.

lol, carguyinok.

Justacruiser I agree with everything you said, except for the figure. While no exact figure is known, the deaths he caused, or at least had a hand in, number in millions.

MILLIONS! While I don't have figures (if someone does, post) I'd say Saddam has Hitler beat, yet the world see Hitler as the worst, most horrific dictator/leader in history.

Yet we're crying over his civil rights. He's killed millions of people. We know this as FACT. Yet we still bother worrying about how he feels.

Tying in with that hippie movement is the whole "psychology" thing. Everybody is so concerned with the feelings of others, that we're allowing the little people to be killed to protect the killers. All he has to say is "I was abused" or "My mother was a whore" and he's FORGIVEN! It's not his fault!

Bullshit. My life hasn't been easy, but it's definitely not been like people over there are living, in fear for their very lives every day. But I still believe that it's the person who makes decisions, whatever happened to you as a kid.

In a day when there's a pill or therapy for any little bit of unhappiness or sadness, yeah. We've been emasculated.

Finally, next Bin Laden

MILLIONS! While I don't have figures (if someone does, post) I'd say Saddam has Hitler beat, yet the world see Hitler as the worst, most horrific dictator/leader in history.

Yet we're crying over his civil rights. He's killed millions of people. We know this as FACT. Yet we still bother worrying about how he feels.


Adolf Hitler's got 12 million...6 million of them are Jews
Josef Stalin's got 20 million..mostly from the middle class
Saddam...he's waaayyy below those figures but it doesnt mean you have to pity him...

I totally agree with you.
If the situation was reversed and you were in Saddam's place right now, I doubt if He'd give a shit on what's happening to you...He'd prbably have a video of your torture recorded for entertainment purposes

Saddam's atrocities:

—1978-80: Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, whose ancestors were of Iranian origin, packed in trucks and thrown out on border with Iran. Property confiscated. Hundreds died in very cold weather. Thousands of their teenage sons kept in Iraqi jails and after more than 15 years all killed.

— 1983: Government campaign against members of Kurdish Barzani (search) tribe for helping Iran launch offensive in northern Iraq. Estimated 8,000 killed, many buried in mass graves far from home in Iraq's southern desert.

—1986-88: Scorched-earth offensive known as "Anfal (search)" that included chemical attacks on Kurds in northern Iraq for advocating autonomy. Estimated 180,000 Kurds killed, many buried in mass graves in south. Possible genocide charges in Iraqi tribunal.

—1991: Crackdowns on Shiite Muslim (search) and Kurdish uprisings at end of the Gulf War. Estimated 60,000 killed. Many buried in mass graves.

—1992: Draining of marshes in southern Iraq, driving population known as Marsh Arabs from homes and wiping out way of life. Tens of thousands killed. No mass graves. Possible genocide charges.

—1979-2003: Various political prisoners of populations distrusted by Saddam disappeared, including Turkomans, religious Muslims and communists. Tens of thousands believed killed. Many buried in mass graves, some near prisons.



Oh my god, he's being humiliated too much. Jeez...read the list again.

freaking finally.

Now that he's captured, the international community faces another dilemna. The US could hold him in the rather dubious situation as the inmates at Camp X-Ray who are neither prisoners of war nor criminals. This would be a no-win for the US for a variety of reasons...

The alternative is that there is probably sufficient evidence to try Saddam for crimes against humanity and war crimes - the question is wherre do you hold such a hearing, under what jurisdiction and who will sit on the panel adjudicating the hearing....

The US and its coalition partners probably prefer a trial to occur and be seen to dispense a fair and defended hearing using international law and an international panel to be seen to be independent from the judicial process.

This brings issues as to where you hold the hearing, the unprecedented security building up to, during and after the trial - and presuming the panel find the man guilty of charges what sort of punishment do you mete out?

Remember the US's presence in the Mid-East is opposed by many and at best only tolerated by some...

I'm not suggesting that Saddam isn't a vengeful, violent tyrant responsbile for atrocities, crimes against humanity, death and destruction, persecution, torture etc... The overwhelming weight of evidence is there...

The issue is punishment - most Western countries do NOT have capital punishment and would oppose this - even some of the closest of the coalition partners. Secondly, it's unlikely that even if it is sentenced that it would be carried out - it would be commuted to some sort of imprisonment. Thirdly, it would make the man a martyr and create the impetus for more terrorism rather than to rid overselves of it.

Summary:
The thing about laws is that we choose to make and live by them and they provide for fair and defended trials no matter how heinous the perpertrator's crimes.

When we give up our laws, ethics and morals for revenge or anger, we stoop to a situation where we end up with a situation that we defend our actions on similar defences to the deplorable acts that the accused stands accused of.

We hold ourselves to be in the right, to be defending freedom, justice and truth - so try the man in a fair and defended trial - and if the evidence presented provides beyond a reasonable doubt to a fair and unbiased jury then let him be sentenced for the crimes he is so convicted - but demonstrate those qualities of justice not only for those wronged but to remind ourselves of what justice means.

Give him to the Iraquis. They would know exactly what to do with him. If he's allowed to be tried in an 'Internatianal Tribunal' (ie. European countries) then the trial is going to turn into another Slobadon Malosevic trial, in other words, a joke. The Iraquis suffered under him the most, let them try him and execute him.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/44457saddam_4.jpg


Sorry, just too easy after some of the above comments...

ho hum, in the latest pics seen his beard is now shaved off......



I know a bit cynical, but would things have been easier had there been a shootout at where he was captured, and resulting in him being caught dead.....least we wouldn't have to worry about where the tribunal would be, what kind of punishment etc........

this is a great xmas present to the world, to know that one of the most hated and sought after butcher of countless thousands of people is finally caught and will no longer harm another person or give the order to have even more countless thousands slaughtered.

Graphik...they keep showing the same clips because they are the only ones that the media has at the moment. they aren't gonna have any new media videos/pics of him until he is completely checked out and government photos are givin to them. its a press thing...they show what they have and thats all they have.

And as for it being degrading tohim...was he not living in a hole in the ground??? i think if i lived in a hole..nothing would be more degrading than that. Plus i can think of much more degrading things ppl have posted on the internet about him than getting checked for lice....but thats what you believe..so more power to ya

I agree with everyone else..get our freakin troops home now

Silver i understand what your saying, but instead of showing those videoclips of him getting checked for lice, they can just show the clip of him just moving his head.

Also to all you people that are saying that he has done alot of crimes and why should we care about him being humiliated? Well i agree with you to some extent that he should be made to suffer, but humiliating him should not be one of them. I admit he is an evil man, but hes also very smart, and the way that he is being portrayed right now, it sure as hell doesnt show.

Too the person that said he lived in a hole, and whats more degrading then that? Well he had to live in a hole to survive, so that does nothign to his dignity, as it was his means of survival. But what the broadcasting stations are doing at the moment, is showing pictures of him getting checked for lice, and that does affect dignity.

And like i said before, i agree that he should be punished, hell he could be put in jail, but pictures of him being humiliated like that should not be shown. A man is nothing without dignity...

you have a good point Graphik,

but some may say....there comes a point when a man does not deserve any dignity.....

I think Saddam may have crossed that point a long time ago.............

you have a good point Graphik,

but some may say....there comes a point when a man does not deserve any dignity.....

I think Saddam may have crossed that point a long time ago.............

yes but who has the right to put a label on when a man is past the point of dignity?

Damn, finding out Sadam has been captured makes me feel really stupid...I did'nt even know they were looking for him (Stupid me). maybe because it's the fact that I don't pay attention to the news and media :dunno:

So what's gonna happen now? What's gonna change?

yes but who has the right to put a label on when a man is past the point of dignity?

me.

when you kill millions of innocent people to get your dictatorial jollies, you are nothing but a piece of gum stuck to the bottom of my shoe in terms of dignity. i say those clips are giving him TOO MUCH dignity, if anything...

im not trying to start a flame war or anything, but...

to you that may seem that he doesnt deserve dignity, but others may see it differently. For example, I see it as, everyone has dignity, and it cannot be taken away, well atleast it shouldnt, no matter what the person has done.

S13_Iketani , I completely agree. The guy cared nothing for the dignity of his fellow man when he ordered the killing of men, women and children. Where is their dignity? Like I said earlier, in this day and age we care so much about how someone "feels" that we generally sympathize with the evil fuck who perpetrated these crimes. Why not the deceased? Because they're just that. What can you do to help a dead person. Yet there's still hope for the criminal. We can "re-program" him.

Not in my book. He's already dead. Again, I agree with Justacruiser, hand this guy over to those same people he terrorized for all these years. THAT is justice.

As an addendum, DaxManio, thanks for those figures. I didn't realize they were so much higher. I do have a question, though. On Hitler's stats, do those figures include all those who died in WWII, such as Allied and Axis soldiers? Or are they just the murders you could count as crimes against humanity, such as the concentration camps?

I think the hundreds of thousands of people murdered and/or tortured as a result of his actions might have a say in when he doesnt deserve any dignity.
Of course, there are many more people who have done just as much evil as Saddam living free. But, we cant reasonably be expected to snuff all of them out, and many of them have control of nuclear weapons..... And I already consider the US to be sticking its nose into places where it shouldnt be. We (the Western world), have no concept of what life is like in many of these regions, and only make the situation worse.

THose Hitler stats are 6 million murdered Jews, and 6 million other murdered minorities.
There were other war crimes of course, I expect that at least several million Russians were systematically murdered by the Germans. The Russians did it right back though, so it wasnt a one sided atrocity.

im not trying to start a flame war or anything, but...

to you that may seem that he doesnt deserve dignity, but others may see it differently. For example, I see it as, everyone has dignity, and it cannot be taken away, well atleast it shouldnt, no matter what the person has done.

Graphik: Between the fake "dignity" he gave himself and his sons with the statues the posters, and "power" over the lives of millions (which was abused a lot, BTW), he has had "dignity" enough for all the people him and his sons have killed.

Speaking of killed, we can parade him around Times Square with only a shirt of honey and a coat of ants and hat made of beehives, and we'd be barely taking back the dignity of the people him and his sons have killed, and their families.

There's bigger issues here and now to worry about than to worry about his "dignity".

Maybe you need to start looking at the bigger picture.

Hmmmm. You know we found a single tiny person. What about all of those WMDs now? you'd think some warheads might be easier to locate? Why don't we just ask Mr. Saddam where they are? He should know shouldn't he?

ahh yeh i get what you guys were saying, but i agree now. Yeh you guys made your point.

Unfortunately, I don't think this will do anything to stop the insurgence.

My theory on WMD are that Iraq had none. BUT, we did the right thing by attacking; if they could develop or buy them, I believe that they would have used them without hesetation. Or use a few nukes, hidden in US cities, as blackmail in order to gain US concessions. So, I support the attack in Iraq for our safety, as well as to get rid of Saddam. We dont remove other evil people because they pose no threat to us; the world is a cruel place, and if we really knew everything going on, I doubt any of us could live with that knowledge. Still, the world is slowly being modernized, eventually, things should be better. (did anyone hear about the largest civil war in Africian history, that recently ended? Millions of people were killed, and many countries were involved. I only heard a brief snipet on the national news, once it was over. The reason; it had no affect on our security or finances.)

Still, Im glad when any evil person is taken out, regardless of the reason they are targeted.

And while I would like to consider myself not being a war monger, I really cant stand it when people talk about giving dignity to evil people. A soldier does his job; I doubt the majority of them are evil, they're just people. Serial killers, and the people who perpetrate acts of great violence, murder, etc, they are evil, and deserve nothing less than our utter contempt.
For people like this, i support the death penalty.

Doesnt the UN still condone hanging for war crimes?
If they do, I hope they make Saddams rope too short, so he suffocates, rather then having his neck broken.
Even while Ghandi said something like, "If the world operated on the eye for an eye principal, the whole world would be blind", I think a person who murders thousands deserves death; its more like having an eyebrow plucked for an eye.
My $.02
/endrant

I think Saddams capture is a bigger victory for American morale than it is a detriment to anti-american groups morale.
Still, without saddam, the people fighting for him now have to fight for their old style of governement, which is a bit harder to focus on then a single leader.
they can always fight for their hatred of Americans, which will keep the small attacks against Americans coming.

I'm glad they caught him, but now it will seem like Bush can actually get something done. Damn.

Well, they finally got his ass. Didn't they have a chance to do this... oh, about 12 YEARS ago? Should have done it the last time folks! With the Reagan era still lingering, the general populace of the world might just have had enough of a pair to actually execute him instead of harping about an 'internationla tribunal', how he should just get life in prison and not to humiliate him. Oh, not to mention all the other bullshit they've had to go through to get his ass in the end. It's good that they got him alive though, that way they have live pictures of him to prove that they actually have him. Pretty easy to fake a dead Saddam, but a live one? A bit harder to do.

As for whether or not he should be humiliated... lemme get this straight, he's killed tens or hundreds of thousands of his own people, brutally torturing them first in some cases, had a standing reward for the family of any Muslim who died in suicide attacks against Israel and America, yet you actually give two-tenths of one shit about how they treat him? See what I'm talking about people? Ever since the hippie movement, the world has been totally emasculated. No wonder psychotic criminals dont give a shit about what they do, nothing is going to happen to them in return! They should have confirmed who he was and turned him out naked on the streets of Baghdad, that would have taken care of him pretty quickly.

Fuck you man...hippies rule...

I don't give a fuck how they treat saddam, but the majority of people are not pussy shit because the reagan era is over. Get off your high horse old man...people just think more...it's good to think things through. If they did it the old school way...Saddam would have been shot...I'd rather he be executed in a controlled manor...not dying at the hands of some 19 year old with an m16.

I'm more than happy we have Saddam. I couldn't stop smilin' after I read the news this morning.

Still, it'd be twice as nice if we could get ol' Camel-Fucker bin Laden. I think that may pull the foreign perspective of America up a little, even without WMD.

It'll suck if some foreign contingent finds him, though.

Bin Laden is in Antartica...the one place no one would go.

I wonder what happens to his cars!! He had a nice collection I've heard.

I'd say they'll be donated to fund the new gov't.

As far as Antarctica, I'd say he's cold-blooded enough.

“Fuck you man...hippies rule...”

No, they don’t, unless you counted Clinton. I wouldn't let a hippie lick the sweat off my balls. They were losers back in the 60's and 70's, then the smarter ones, (as smart as a hippie can get anyways), decided to grow up and embrace the capitalist society they so loathed.

“I don't give a fuck how they treat saddam”

Ooooh, such a Hippie like response…. Well, no, not really. Hippies tried to pull off that ‘lets try to love everyone’ rectal purge, then when it stopped being cool and some of them realized they were wasting their lives on that rhetoric, they decided to wise up a bit. But only a bit mind you, after all, some did have kids and ruin it for the rest of us.

“but the majority of people are not pussy shit”

Been to a college or University lately? They seem to be the gathering point for a lot of walking-talking rectums.

“Get off your high horse old man”

Look who’s talking oh high lord of all that is intellectual. As for ‘old man’ ever check a profile? You were born in 1983, I was born in 1982. Hang on a sec, I’ve gotta get my Metamucil for the night and change my adult diapers… I shit myself while laughing at your response.

“people just think more”

as you so obviously prove.

“It's good to think things through”

Really!?

“If they did it the old school way...Saddam would have been shot”

Damn right he would have been shot the ‘old way’! They probably would have rubbed the ammo they shot him with in pig shit just to make sure he wouldn't get to see Allah when he died too! However, like I said, I'm glad they caught him alive, just so everyone could see the proof, and so we could interrogate the hell out of him. He knows a lot more shit than most of the prisoners do I'll wager.

“I'd rather he be executed in a controlled manor...not dying at the hands of some 19 year old with an m16.”

Why not? Same damn result, much less work.

so they keep him. how smart.
raging war attacks on the US because theyre keeping saddam.

i think he should give saddam to some other country like afghanistan so they can torture saddam themselves.
that way it works well.

other than that, good luck to the US.

i dont know much abot this shit. all i know is that america's in a bit of deep shit now.

“but the majority of people are not pussy shit”

Been to a college or University lately? They seem to be the gathering point for a lot of walking-talking rectums.


“It's good to think things through”

Really!?



Speaking from personal experience, no one on my floor (a mix of arts and engineering students), fits your statement. Hell, we've come up with some pretty neat (and unnecessarily violent) solutions to the worlds problems.....and I would hope, for your sake, that you dont meet a few of them when calling uni students limp noodles. Some of the ones on my floor look like they could eat concrete and shit gunpowder.

And it is always a good idea to think things through. Hell, if we didnt, the lunar landing might have gone something like this; "Well, we figured if we shot the spaceship *about* that direction (points finger toward sky), we should hit the moon." Spaceship ends up flying into the sun.
If you went to a car dealership, and picked the one that you thought looked the nicest, only to find out later that it had terrible mileage, terrible performance, didnt do anything you needed it to, etc, you would be a victim of not thinking things through.
Murders happen because people dont think things through.
If you choose to not think things through, well, hope you dont wander into my life.

might want to work on your bullshit/sarcasm detector there chris. 'Really!?' as in, he obviously thought his response through before posting it.

BTW, I go to college, it's why I can say for certain that the largest amount of manure spewing sheep gather gather in the 'higher learning' schools.

sarcasm and text dont go well together. And since you're new, its a bit hard to garner an idea of your method of sarcasm, so, if its not readily apparent to a chimp on crack, you have to make it more obvious.
And if you're college has a lot of people who you believe to be "manure spilling sheep", then, its not my fault. The most hard core arts student I know, while he hates US foreign policy (for the most part, at least), would like the chance to piss on Saddam, then kill him with a cheesegrater.
And theres a difference between people who people who understand various nuances of the law, society, etc, and debate it thorougly, and those who will never take action because they're too afraid....if you really look into it, you'll find most 'manure spewing sheep' are actually in the former group, and you just didnt understand all the variables they were addressing.
Happens to me, happens to CEO's, Presidents, Bob down the street, everyone. Thats why commities are essential; without them, no one person could manage the entire US government, for example.

i dont like him because he put many people in cargo containers in the desert and left them to die of heat or suffocation

whats a dictator?