There really is no point to this.

We're all Americans here huh?

We really don't need to prove that American muscle cars are better, there are no such things as Japanese muscle cars, and who's been building cars longer. We are the best period.

We really don't need to prove that American muscle cars are better, there are no such things as Japanese muscle cars, and who's been building cars longer. We are the best period.
Im afraid we ARENT the best period. Id buy a Nissan over a chevy or ford car any day; they are good quality and have good power. This whole "American cars are the best period" BS is so stupid; open your eyes and see that there are better cars than just the ones made in the United States.

We really don't need to prove that American muscle cars are better, there are no such things as Japanese muscle cars, and who's been building cars longer. We are the best period.


if we are better simple because we have been building cars longer then how come the most sold car in the world is a japanese car. and the 3 cars in the world with the most miles on paper are an accord and a 1970 something volvo?

Im afraid we ARENT the best period. Id buy a Nissan over a chevy or ford car any day; they are good quality and have good power. This whole "American cars are the best period" BS is so stupid; open your eyes and see that there are better cars than just the ones made in the United States.

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink.

I'm not going to argue the Jap vs American thing here anymore, but what I will say is this. I have oned both kinds of cars, and I don't care what JDPowers or anybody else says, my GMC truck lasted every bit as long as my Toyota, and longer then MY VW. I can say the same thing for my 1969 Z/28, prove me wrong using anything you wish to use.

if we are better simple because we have been building cars longer then how come the most sold car in the world is a japanese car. and the 3 cars in the world with the most miles on paper are an accord and a 1970 something volvo?

Doesn't mean it's better

The most sold cars are Japanese cars a lot due to the fact that they cost less, and yes they are very dependable. But not more dependable then an American car, any car that you maintain correctly will be dependable and last for a long time, and every car company be it Japanese or American has had recalls IE made an error along the building process somewhere. All I ask on the milage thing is a little proof, I do think that JDPowers and some of the mags that study these things are just a bit biased, but so am I big deal huh.

Although I have never owned a foreign car, I would definitely consider buying a foreign car for the gas mileage. As far as overall quality, I believe you will find a lemon among all makes and models. You hear about them more than you do about vehicles with no problems.

American all the way. :devil:

The most sold cars are Japanese cars a lot due to the fact that they cost less, and yes they are very dependable. But not more dependable then an American car, any car that you maintain correctly will be dependable and last for a long time, and every car company be it Japanese or American has had recalls IE made an error along the building process somewhere. All I ask on the milage thing is a little proof, I do think that JDPowers and some of the mags that study these things are just a bit biased, but so am I big deal huh.


true..... (to each his own) i would rather buy a toyota corrolla over lets just say a pontiac grand prix gt. better gas milage, more reliable and a much cheaper car.

true..... (to each his own) i would rather buy a toyota corrolla over lets just say a pontiac grand prix gt. better gas milage, more reliable and a much cheaper car.

Cheaper yes.

Well your right, it does get better gas milage, and it is cheaper to buy.
It is not more dependable, proof is all I ask.

you can fool some of the people some of the time, but can you fool all of the people all of the time.

1) let me ask, is cheaper always better.
2) would you rather see your mom driving a little beer can, or a car like a Cadillac with a little substance. Does it make you feel better to know the mom has a sixteenth of sheet metal between her and the road, or a big frame and a lot more metal.
3) Is cheaper really better.
4)I'll give you the gas milage.
5)The Grand Prix will out last you Toyota.
6) I have owned a Toyota.
7)If cheaper is always better, sould they always use the cheapest parts possible to build their cars.
8) Other then manufacturing cost being cheaper in Japan, how do you think they get these thing built for so much less.
9) After being in the body shop business I do know this, the japanese use sub standard metal in comparisan to us.
10) It just makes good sence to keep the money in our country.

Well your right, it does get better gas milage, and it is cheaper to buy.
It is not more dependable, proof is all I ask.

you can fool some of the people some of the time, but can you fool all of the people all of the time.

1) let me ask, is cheaper always better.
2) would you rather see your mom driving a little beer can, or a <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>; like a Cadillac with a little substance. Does it make you feel better to know the mom has a sixteenth of sheet metal between her and the road, or a big frame and a lot more metal.
3) Is cheaper really better.
4)I'll give you the gas milage.
5)The Grand Prix will out last you Toyota.
6) I have owned a Toyota.
7)If cheaper is always better, sould they always use the cheapest parts possible to build their cars.
8) Other then manufacturing cost being cheaper in Japan, how do you think they get these thing built for so much less.
9) After being in the body shop business I do know this, the japanese use sub standard metal in comparisan to us.
10) It just makes good sence to keep the money in our country.


1. sheetmetal is never what it is protecting you. even in the older days when steel is what the body was that was completely smash in an accident over 40. a 1/16 of an inch sheet metal why not when there is a steel beam running through the door. (not refering to a corolla refering to my grad am.) i've also been around toyotas and they have lasted til round 180,000 miles and the let go was not cost of repair. just wanted a newer car.
2. they are using the cheaper parts possible to build a car. have you seen the inter. of a 2002 sunfire.
3. keep the money in our country, im not exactly sure who builds the grand prix but my grand am is build in mexico!!

Well your right, it does get better gas milage, and it is cheaper to buy.
It is not more dependable, proof is all I ask.

you can fool some of the people some of the time, but can you fool all of the people all of the time.

1) let me ask, is cheaper always better.
2) would you rather see your mom driving a little beer can, or a <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>; like a Cadillac with a little substance. Does it make you feel better to know the mom has a sixteenth of sheet metal between her and the road, or a big frame and a lot more metal.
3) Is cheaper really better.
4)I'll give you the gas milage.
5)The Grand Prix will out last you Toyota.
6) I have owned a Toyota.
7)If cheaper is always better, sould they always use the cheapest parts possible to build their cars.
8) Other then manufacturing cost being cheaper in Japan, how do you think they get these thing built for so much less.
9) After being in the body shop business I do know this, the japanese use sub standard metal in comparisan to us.
10) It just makes good sence to keep the money in our country.


im not in a postion to afford a grand prix let alone a cadillac. i barely afford to keep my grand am which cost more then a corolla. my biggest point is i like the idea of a car like corolla and sentra that can be had for less then $16,000 and can still last upwards of 150,000 miles.

if we are better simple because we have been building cars longer then how come the most sold car in the world is a japanese car. and the 3 cars in the world with the most miles on paper are an accord and a 1970 something volvo?


The most sold car in the world is the venerable VW bug. They stopped production on them in 2002, after producing more than 50,000,000. What is the mileage on this accord, and why do you say 3 cars but only name 2?

I guess I would drive a jap car someday, but it'd be a 240Z with a 383 stroker.

First, I'd like to bring to everyone's attention the simple fact that the first automobile was Karl Benz's tri-cart built in 1886. Also mentionable as pre-dating the American auto industry are Renault, De Dion Bouton, and Austro-Daimler. The claim that Americans have been building cars "the longest" is bunk.

Second, the most dangerous cars in an accident ARE stiffly built full frame automobiles such as the aforementioned Cadillac. These cars don't crumple in an incident, and thus dissipate the forward energy of an incident. Deformable structure, as pioneered by Mercedes-Benz, is the safest method of construction. It's only prehistoric idiosyncracies like the Chevrolet Avalanche that provide the danger to "small cars". Thanks to the EPA loopholes, these monstrosities are allowed to be built into rolling hazards for anyone who buys a sensible car (domestic or import).

I have learned through a great deal of research, apparently much more than you, that nationality has absolutely nothing with the quality of an automobile.

As I've discovered, a car can only be truly judged on its own. Toyota can build a rattletrap (Echo) and Chevrolet can build a solid family car (Malibu). And vice versa (Camry & Vega).

First, I'd like to bring to everyone's attention the simple fact that the first automobile was Karl Benz's tri-cart built in 1886. Also mentionable as pre-dating the American auto industry are Renault, De Dion Bouton, and Austro-Daimler. The claim that Americans have been building cars "the longest" is bunk.

Second, the most dangerous cars in an accident ARE stiffly built full frame automobiles such as the aforementioned Cadillac. These cars don't crumple in an incident, and thus dissipate the forward energy of an incident. Deformable structure, as pioneered by Mercedes-Benz, is the safest method of construction. It's only prehistoric idiosyncracies like the Chevrolet Avalanche that provide the danger to "small cars". Thanks to the EPA loopholes, these monstrosities are allowed to be built into rolling hazards for anyone who buys a sensible car (domestic or import).

I have learned through a great deal of research, apparently much more than you, that nationality has absolutely nothing with the quality of an automobile.

As I've discovered, a car can only be truly judged on its own. Toyota can build a rattletrap (Echo) and Chevrolet can build a solid family car (Malibu). And vice versa (Camry & Vega).

Well put.
There is not best or better, just different, the diversity of car makes, models, styles, options, and prices is what truly makes the automotive world great. We don't have to be a bunch of clones, everyone can be an individual, drive what he/she likes and be proud of it. Would it not be boring to have to conform and have no choice or preference.

Respect the automobile for what it is, an individual expression. You don't have to agree with someone else's preference, but do respect their individuality.

I, for one, am thankful that we all have so many choices. What fun would it be if one brand was the best in every aspect?

I have a few comments about this whole american vs. jap thing. Look at what you are bickering about? Most ford powerplants are made by mazda anymore.. Dodge/Chrysler is all Mitsibitchy.. GM owns GEO and uses Toyota transmissions.. it's all junk. (yes, i'm a mechanic) Don't believe me, go look at some parts cross-refrence books. It's pathetic. My "american car" is my 1970 Couger XR7 which is still running, still looks good, and will still blow the (*$&@ doors off any rice burning tweaked out tin can of a modern car you want to throw at it. The ONLY car to give me a run for my money that has come out in the last few years is the 2002 Ram Air Trans-Am. Period.

American Cars *the real ones* are and will be the best.. as long as people realize you have to MAINTAIN them.. just like any car.. not fix them when they break. Idiots.

-DrivECRasH

I have a few comments about this whole american vs. jap thing. Look at what you are bickering about? Most ford powerplants are made by mazda anymore.. Dodge/Chrysler is all Mitsibitchy.. GM owns GEO and uses Toyota transmissions.. it's all junk. (yes, i'm a mechanic) Don't believe me, go look at some parts cross-refrence books. It's pathetic. My "american car" is my 1970 Couger XR7 which is still running, still looks good, and will still blow the (*$&@ doors off any rice burning tweaked out tin can of a modern car you want to throw at it. The ONLY car to give me a run for my money that has come out in the last few years is the 2002 Ram Air Trans-Am. Period.

American Cars *the real ones* are and will be the best.. as long as people realize you have to MAINTAIN them.. just like any car.. not fix them when they break. Idiots.

-DrivECRasH

ok so you've never raced a serious "rice burning tweaked out tin can of a modern car " but what's the point muscle heads are the most hard headed bunch out there. and you are a muscle head. time and time again has it been proven that a stock import depending on which one can and will oout run your muscle car. what more has to be done. a 270 hp 2.0 liters can out run a V8 5.4 liter claiming 390hp. it said how older people always saying "young people dont listen, they are hard headed" and i want you to listen to me there is plenty of replacements for displacements. a lower powered jap car and kill a lot of V8s with more power and costing more money.

Just because the car is cheaper and gets better gas mileage doesn't mean it's better. You forgot about the thing that most people who peruse these forums care most about....performance and looks. I would rather have a 350 hp gas hog than some 60mpg cheapo hybrid plastic piece of shit, but that's just the redneck inside of me coming out. I want a car that's fast and reliable *cough*muscle car*cough* not a slow economy car...my opinion. Although...my dad was telling me not to long ago, that everyone back in the day had a hot rod, and if you didn't you still drove your car like it was one...so i guess not much has changed except now import enthusiasts say their cars are better because they have more technology, which in my opinion means that their's just more stuff to fix when it brakes.


bah, there i go rambling on again about nothing :banghead:

ok so you've never raced a serious "rice burning tweaked out tin can of a modern car " but what's the point muscle heads are the most hard headed bunch out there. and you are a muscle head. time and time again has it been proven that a stock import depending on which one can and will oout run your muscle car. what more has to be done. a 270 hp 2.0 liters can out run a V8 5.4 liter claiming 390hp. it said how older people always saying "young people dont listen, they are hard headed" and i want you to listen to me there is plenty of replacements for displacements. a lower powered jap car and kill a lot of V8s with more power and costing more money.

I've never seen this.. :screwy: And believe me i'm around a lot of racing. At the local track import racers usually get laughed at. And then to add insult to injury, when they race one of the "V8's", they get their butts handed to them...Not all V8's depend on the "390 HP", more or less the torque they are putting out. Ever see a 4 Cylinder run 7.33 in the 1/8mile, neither have i. But the car i work on in my automotive classes at college can. 1980 Chevy Malibu, 356 C.I.D 500+ HP, and on a limited budget that we have to raise ourselves.

I've never seen this.. :screwy: And believe me i'm around a lot of racing. At the local track import racers usually get laughed at. And then to add insult to injury, when they race one of the "V8's", they get their butts handed to them...Not all V8's depend on the "390 HP", more or less the torque they are putting out. Ever see a 4 Cylinder run 7.33 in the 1/8mile, neither have i. But the car i work on in my automotive classes at college can. 1980 Chevy Malibu, 356 C.I.D 500+ HP, and on a limited budget that we have to raise ourselves.


number one- i was talking about two stock cars
number two- example a 2003 mitsubishi evo vs. a 2003 svt cobra
number three- there is a 4 cylinder caviler with a 2.2 Liter ecotec running in the low 7's oh i was talking about 1/4 not 1/8 mile.

I've never seen this.. :screwy: And believe me i'm around a lot of racing. At the local track import racers usually get laughed at. And then to add insult to injury, when they race one of the "V8's", they get their butts handed to them...Not all V8's depend on the "390 HP", more or less the torque they are putting out. Ever see a 4 Cylinder run 7.33 in the 1/8mile, neither have i. But the car i work on in my automotive classes at college can. 1980 Chevy Malibu, 356 C.I.D 500+ HP, and on a limited budget that we have to raise ourselves.


just because you dont see does not mean it dont happen, the race track near me (capital raceway, md) imports are holding there own. and rememeber this import tuners are younger people unable to spend as much money. trust me import tuners are coming.

I am young(i'm 18), and believe me there is plenty of contingent of V8 racers still out there who are holding their own, continuing to prove that "there is no replacement for displacement." Not ALL young people are into this import craze that seems to plague the streets. I'm sorry if it's a little hard for me to believe, but i've heard so many BS stories from a friend of mine saying his friends stock RSX TypeS beat a Grand Prix GTP with a smaller pulley, it gets hard to believe anyone anymore :rolleyes: . I just get sick of hearing that imports are soooo much better than american cars it makes me want to puke.

And the Evo's tranny will break after the third pass at the strip anyway so it doesn't matter.

7.33 in the 1/8 and 11.73 in the 1/4, and we have only put 5000$ into the car; that's including chassis, body, and engine(the carclub was started up in 1999). :thefinger

I am young(i'm 18), and believe me there is plenty of contingent of V8 racers still out there who are holding their own, continuing to prove that "there is no replacement for displacement." Not ALL young people are into this import craze that seems to plague the streets. I'm sorry if it's a little hard for me to believe, but i've heard so many BS stories from a friend of mine saying his friends stock RSX TypeS beat a Grand Prix GTP with a smaller pulley, it gets hard to believe anyone anymore :rolleyes: . I just get sick of hearing that imports are soooo much better than american cars it makes me want to puke.

And the Evo's tranny will break after the third pass at the strip anyway so it doesn't matter.

7.33 in the 1/8 and 11.73 in the 1/4, and we have only put 5000$ into the car; that's including chassis, body, and engine(the carclub was started up in 1999). :thefinger



lol i can see a rsx beating a gtp, the tranny on the evo can handle upwards of 400 hp everyday left stock itll drag all day long no troubles, and add $5000 and i know itll be into the 10s. and i will not say that imports are sooo much better but i will say there are making the same amount of power with smaller engines. like the like line with a 2.5 Liter inline six having stock 350 wheel horse power. and i can respect 11.7s in the 1/4 with $5000 worth of work.

Are you refering to the Nissan 2.5 ltre in the Maximas, cause i'm pretty sure that only has 250. And the car wasn't stock, we had to build it from the ground up, we even had to makeshift most of the parts we couldn't afford to buy...but by god it runs like a striped assed ape.

I here so many people on the forums and on the streets talk about how much better imports are....Most of them have only 2 reasons, technology and turbos.

It was a good argument but i think i'm gonna move on to a new one. You've proved your point, and i've proved mine.

Are you refering to the Nissan 2.5 ltre in the Maximas, cause i'm pretty sure that only has 250. And the car wasn't stock, we had to build it from the ground up, we even had to makeshift most of the parts we couldn't afford to buy...but by god it runs like a striped assed ape.

I here so many people on the forums and on the streets talk about how much better imports are....Most of them have only 2 reasons, technology and turbos.

It was a good argument but i think i'm gonna move on to a new one. You've proved your point, and i've proved mine.


nope that is not what i was talking bout i was talking bout the rb26det found in the skyline.

a 270 hp 2.0 liters can out run a V8 5.4 liter claiming 390hp.

Well it's only 4.6L but OK. It cannot outrun the cobra either by any stretch.
The EVO is boosting what 17 PSI intercooled turbo, and the SVT 8 PSI roots non-intercooled. Roots are also very inefficient.
Plus the AWD of the EVO is what makes it so fast in the 1/4. I would put money on the EVO's 60 ft times being atleast a full second better than the cobra, which equals atleast 2 seconds in the whole 1/4 mile. From a roll, the Cobra would smoke an EVO no problem.

Well it's only 4.6L but OK. It cannot outrun the cobra either by any stretch.
The EVO is boosting what 17 PSI intercooled turbo, and the SVT 8 PSI roots non-intercooled. Roots are also very inefficient.
Plus the AWD of the EVO is what makes it so fast in the 1/4. I would put money on the EVO's 60 ft times being atleast a full second better than the cobra, which equals atleast 2 seconds in the whole 1/4 mile. From a roll, the Cobra would smoke an EVO no problem.


ok since ya wanna compare from a roll. i can respect that. win yes, i can see that but not smoking,lets put them on a complicated road course like leguna seca?

Well it's only 4.6L but OK. It cannot outrun the cobra either by any stretch.
The EVO is boosting what 17 PSI intercooled turbo, and the SVT 8 PSI roots non-intercooled. Roots are also very inefficient.
Plus the AWD of the EVO is what makes it so fast in the 1/4. I would put money on the EVO's 60 ft times being atleast a full second better than the cobra, which equals atleast 2 seconds in the whole 1/4 mile. From a roll, the Cobra would smoke an EVO no problem.



only 4.6 thats still a lot of liters. the difference between liters of these 2 cars are more liters then in my car.

and you bring the point up about boost the number of boost. so whats ya point?

ok since ya wanna compare from a roll. i can respect that. win yes, i can see that but not smoking,lets put them on a complicated road course like leguna seca?

The whole reason the EVO was built was to be a rally car :screwy:

only 4.6 thats still a lot of liters. the difference between liters of these 2 cars are more liters then in my car.

and you bring the point up about boost the number of boost. so whats ya point?

Whats my point? OK boost the cobra 17 PSI and I think you will get my point.

The whole reason the EVO was built was to be a rally car :screwy:



now tell me ya point.

Whats my point? OK boost the cobra 17 PSI and I think you will get my point.


why boost it further?, we are comparing showroom to showroom.

The whole reason the EVO was built was to be a rally car :screwy:


and the evo we are talking about is a street car.

and the evo we are talking about is a street car.

The WRX is a rally car, the EVO was made to combat it. The EVO is a rally car.
Strait line performance is what muscle cars are all about. Torque rules on the street.

Ford was dumb by putting a roots blower on the cobra. Just for the sake of argument, just boost the Cobra with 8 PSI of intercooled turbo and it would make twice the HP that roots will.
If I ever by a Mustang, it sure won't be a cobra. It will be a GT, and the I'll put a intercooled centrifical SC on it and make 500 HP easy.

why boost it further?, we are comparing showroom to showroom.

Yup showroom to showroom the cobra will SMOKE the EVO on the Highway. If the Cobra could get traction, it would be atleast a second faster in the 1/4-because it really makes 450 HP in real life. Dyno's prove that it gets more than it's factory rating (390) to the wheels.

i love american cars yes im plannin on gettin a 70 cuda but hell look in any carsales magazine i dont see many jap cars...they are better then american cars off the bat and are the easiest for kids to buy and maintain...... and considering over 3/4 te driving population is between 16-27 hell thats alot of car that are more then likely jap....so yea.. its stupid to think that american is better just because...fuck looks? i go for a muscle all the way but for cheap easy reliable car i go jap no matter what thats how it is..sry

ok realy now a 99skyline vs any american car stock car..its lighter ..gots a a 280-350hp stock engine(Rumourd) adn hell its got a fan or something to hold it closer to the ground to increase aerodynamics.......i dont think many stock cars can beat that and yea it dont follow cheaper is betterskylines are like 90k

ok realy now a 99skyline vs any american car stock car..its lighter ..gots a a 280-350hp stock engine(Rumourd) adn hell its got a fan or something to hold it closer to the ground to increase aerodynamics.......i dont think many stock cars can beat that and yea it dont follow cheaper is betterskylines are like 90k



90k no if you were to buy a 99 skyline in 1999 it would cost roughly $33,000 us $ but to ship it here yea it would jump that high, due to american regs and rules for shipping such a car here it would jump to about $85,000

Yup showroom to showroom the cobra will SMOKE the EVO on the Highway. If the Cobra could get traction, it would be atleast a second faster in the 1/4-because it really makes 450 HP in real life. Dyno's prove that it gets more than it's factory rating (390) to the wheels.


if it has that much power why does it run 0-60 in 4.82 sec slower then the evo at 4.59. the svt having "450hp" and only does the 1/4 in .07 fast then the evo. my thats slow in comparison the evo has only 271. my point was never that the evo is faster or jap cars are better my point is, why are japanese cars close, equal to, or sometimes faster then american muscle. and also why so much power in american muscle but so slow? i hear reason of weight and traction. how is that a good reason? i mean people brag of how american muscle cars are made for strait line but yet they dont go anywhere

Power distribution. Those older muscle cars didn't have some of the chassis that newer cars do, subframes and whatnot. They put so much power to the wheels, getting traction is a skill few can master. To say a muscle car doesn't go anywhere though is to say that a Japanese car gets shitty gas mileage. As for newer muscle cars....Let me put it this way, lets say that American cars specialized in 4 bangers, and Imports specialized in OHV V8's. It would be a reverse scenario, they can compete because they've had years and years to come up with the technology that they have, the same for american V8's. All it is, Japanese engineers know how to make a powerful 4 Cylinder, American engineers know how to make a powerful V8. Because it's what they've worked with and what they know how to do.

Power distribution. Those older muscle cars didn't have some of the chassis that newer cars do, subframes and whatnot. They put so much power to the wheels, getting traction is a skill few can master. To say a muscle car doesn't go anywhere though is to say that a Japanese car gets shitty gas mileage. As for newer muscle cars....Let me put it this way, lets say that American cars specialized in 4 bangers, and Imports specialized in OHV V8's. It would be a reverse scenario, they can compete because they've had years and years to come up with the technology that they have, the same for american V8's. All it is, Japanese engineers know how to make a powerful 4 Cylinder, American engineers know how to make a powerful V8. Because it's what they've worked with and what they know how to do.


good point, but still how is that a good excuss, its a fact that 4 bangers are outrunning v8, and the only v8s that are faster are the ones found in cars costing more then $40 grand, or after market.

ok realy now a 99skyline vs any american car stock car..its lighter ..gots a a 280-350hp stock engine(Rumourd) adn hell its got a fan or something to hold it closer to the ground to increase aerodynamics.......i dont think many stock cars can beat that and yea it dont follow cheaper is betterskylines are like 90k


Please..Dont talk..at least not about cars

1st- You can't type and it's annoying to read
2nd- When did anyone in here start talking about Skylines
3rd- 90K for an import when you can get an equally good 2002 T/A WS6 for 32K.
4th- A fan? Do you have any idea what your talking about, a fan will not lower your car, it will cool the engine.
5th- Any American car? 1966 Cobra 427? 1966 Corvette 427? Any of the fastest american cars? 1987 Buick GN GNX?

How long were the gears in your head churning to come up with these thoughts?

good point, but still how is that a good excuss, its a fact that 4 bangers are outrunning v8, and the only v8s that are faster are the ones found in cars costing more then $40 grand, or after market.

I dont see to much of this? At least not where i'm from...They can't even beat most of the V6's. I'm driving my grandpas 94' Accord V-Tec, when i raced my cousin in his 3.0 LeBaron, he kicked my ass. I'm not impressed at all with the V-Tec..It's a cool concept, but not for performance.

I dont see to much of this? At least not where i'm from...They can't even beat most of the V6's. I'm driving my grandpas 94' Accord V-Tec, when i raced my cousin in his 3.0 LeBaron, he kicked my ass. I'm not impressed at all with the V-Tec..It's a cool concept, but not for performance.

LOL, the 3.0L sucks too. Try one of the turbo cars, like a GTC lebaron.
The thing with imports is NO torque, you can talk HP until you are blue in the face, just give me the torque output of the engine and I'll humiliate you. Like my daytona, rated at 146 HP, but 168 ft/lbs stock. Integra LS? yeah 142 HP, but a measly 130 ft/lbs. Plus that was with the ECU controlling boost, now that I have a MBC, I probably have 225 ft/lbs and about 190 HP. I could smoke an LS with bolt ons no problem when I was stock. But now, with less than $500 in mods, I'm taking on GSX's and I laugh at all the Honduhs. And I don't have a car payment, or high insurance. After I intercool it will be a lot faster because the potential is greater. Turbos are cool, but I'd rather go with good old american V8 torque(and sound).

LOL, the 3.0L sucks too. Try one of the turbo cars, like a GTC lebaron.
The thing with imports is NO torque, you can talk HP until you are blue in the face, just give me the torque output of the engine and I'll humiliate you. Like my daytona, rated at 146 HP, but 168 ft/lbs stock. Integra LS? yeah 142 HP, but a measly 130 ft/lbs. Plus that was with the ECU controlling boost, now that I have a MBC, I probably have 225 ft/lbs and about 190 HP. I could smoke an LS with bolt ons no problem when I was stock. But now, with less than $500 in mods, I'm taking on GSX's and I laugh at all the Honduhs. And I don't have a car payment, or high insurance. After I intercool it will be a lot faster because the potential is greater. Turbos are cool, but I'd rather go with good old american V8 torque(and sound).

Definately, that's why i can't wait until summer to drive my old mans 79' Z28.. 350 4 bolt main, 3.73 12 bolt posi ; with engine and chassis mods out the ass. 17K worth.

I dont see to much of this? At least not where i'm from...They can't even beat most of the V6's. I'm driving my grandpas 94' Accord V-Tec, when i raced my cousin in his 3.0 LeBaron, he kicked my ass. I'm not impressed at all with the V-Tec..It's a cool concept, but not for performance.


i was in the car when a 5speed 91 accord with vtec, when it outran a 5.0 mustang also 5 speed and the driver of that car was older so he should im not saying he is but should have been a better shirter.

i was in the car when a 5speed 91 accord with vtec, when it outran a 5.0 mustang also 5 speed and the driver of that car was older so he should im not saying he is but should have been a better shirter.

OK a 140 HP accord outran a 225 HP mustang. He wasn't trying.

OK a 140 HP accord outran a 225 HP mustang. He wasn't trying.


power to weight ratio and tratio my friend

OK a 140 HP accord outran a 225 HP mustang. He wasn't trying.


i mean traction

LOL, the 3.0L sucks too. Try one of the turbo cars, like a GTC lebaron.
The thing with imports is NO torque, you can talk HP until you are blue in the face, just give me the torque output of the engine and I'll humiliate you. Like my daytona, rated at 146 HP, but 168 ft/lbs stock. Integra LS? yeah 142 HP, but a measly 130 ft/lbs. Plus that was with the ECU controlling boost, now that I have a MBC, I probably have 225 ft/lbs and about 190 HP. I could smoke an LS with bolt ons no problem when I was stock. But now, with less than $500 in mods, I'm taking on GSX's and I laugh at all the Honduhs. And I don't have a car payment, or high insurance. After I intercool it will be a lot faster because the potential is greater. Turbos are cool, but I'd rather go with good old american V8 torque(and sound).


torque is worth less if you are unable to get it to the ground and thats the problem with american muscle.

OK a 140 HP accord outran a 225 HP mustang. He wasn't trying.


hold up a 5.0 with 225 hp lol :rofl:

The weight difference between the 5.0 and the accord wouldn't off set the major power advantage a 5.0 holds over the accord. The guy in the stang either couldn't drive his car, or wasn't even paying attention to you.

LOL, the 3.0L sucks too. Try one of the turbo cars, like a GTC lebaron.
The thing with imports is NO torque, you can talk HP until you are blue in the face, just give me the torque output of the engine and I'll humiliate you. Like my daytona, rated at 146 HP, but 168 ft/lbs stock. Integra LS? yeah 142 HP, but a measly 130 ft/lbs. Plus that was with the ECU controlling boost, now that I have a MBC, I probably have 225 ft/lbs and about 190 HP. I could smoke an LS with bolt ons no problem when I was stock. But now, with less than $500 in mods, I'm taking on GSX's and I laugh at all the Honduhs. And I don't have a car payment, or high insurance. After I intercool it will be a lot faster because the potential is greater. Turbos are cool, but I'd rather go with good old american V8 torque(and sound).


as for sound i love the scream and whirl of a turbo and of course the "guss" of a blow off valve is just music to my ears.

The weight difference between the 5.0 and the accord wouldn't off set the major power advantage a 5.0 holds over the accord. The guy in the stang either couldn't drive his car, or wasn't even paying attention to you.


the finger at the end proves he was paying attention. again this proves the point i have made before any car can beat any other car at any given point.

power to weight ratio and tratio my friend


Specs from autotrader.com:
91 accord:
Wheelbase 107.1

Overall Length 184.8

Vehicle Height 52.8

Vehicle Width 67.9

Front Headroom N/R

Front Legroom N/R

Curb Weight 3,122

Gross Vehicle Weight N/R


92 mustang:
Manufacturer Code No Data

Wheelbase 100.5

Overall Length 179.6

Vehicle Height 52.1

Vehicle Width 68.3

Front Headroom N/R

Front Legroom N/R

Curb Weight 3,144

Gross Vehicle Weight N/R

Seating Capacity 4/N/R passengers



HMMMMMM-22 pounds different, that is one HUGE difference. Plus you had 2 people in your car---the accord weighed more at the time. :rofl:

What finger?!? I don't geeet iit?!? lol

i mean traction

He probably spun the tires on purpose, I've done that and lost a race before. Just for something to do. Plus I've flicked Honda's off just because they are a riced honda. Didnt even race them.
Plus I don't consider a 5-oh mustang a muscle car. Real muscle cars were heavier with big blocks and didn't have as much problem with traction.

Maybe he just has too many points on his license and didn't want to all out race. You know street racing is automatic license suspension.
And anyway how far did you take it? What did you beat him to like 40 then quit and say you one? LOL, thats a typical ricer. It's not a race unless you hit 100 MPH.

Specs from autotrader.com:
91 accord:
Wheelbase 107.1

Overall Length 184.8

Vehicle Height 52.8

Vehicle Width 67.9

Front Headroom N/R

Front Legroom N/R

Curb Weight 3,122

Gross Vehicle Weight N/R


92 mustang:
Manufacturer Code No Data

Wheelbase 100.5

Overall Length 179.6

Vehicle Height 52.1

Vehicle Width 68.3

Front Headroom N/R

Front Legroom N/R

Curb Weight 3,144

Gross Vehicle Weight N/R

Seating Capacity 4/N/R passengers



HMMMMMM-22 pounds different, that is one HUGE difference. Plus you had 2 people in your car---the accord weighed more at the time. :rofl:



autotrader says that the 91 accord weighs 2857