rb 35?? wah the .........

incase you don't know the legal maxium power a car engine can have in japan is 280 ps which for you who don't know is approx. 0.74 kw. K so how do you expect nissan to bring out a v8 twin turbo when nissan only uses v8 engines on their big ass luxury heaps that can't even get close to the 11 sec quarter without spend a shit load!! Nissan exports most of their v8's to america. A little bit of info.......
The fastest street LEGAL car in the world is from japan running a rb26dett. so why would they need a new engine?? The skyline gtr already beats a prosche and a lamborgini in a straight line (if the speedo cut out is removed). Over here in australia the skyine gt-r was ban from touring car racing cause "it had an unfair advantage". If you look at the facts, it is highly and I mean very highly unlikly nissan will release a v8 twin turbo. Sixes and fours in japan go a shit load faster than most cars. Why get cubes when you just change the engine add-ons?? This going to get a bigger outcome with faster accerlation. The main difference between the r34 and r33/r32 engine is that the r34 has better mid range torque, nissan is really in a corner now all they can really do is fine tune rb26dett or what ever engine they plan to use, unless the laws in japan change. So a v8 would be too expense for nissan to make, when their six is almost already at the legal limit. You can get twin turbo six to go faster than a v8 twin turbo with a hell of a lot less cost. If you don't believe me look at the power to weight ratio it tells the whole story.

nissan have confirmed that the v8 will not be used.:alien:

the only reason i can see that Nissan would want to go with v8 is cause they're DUMB, they have a made a crap load of mistakes before, but I just really hope they don't mess up the ultimate - Skyline GT-R.
Honda plans to break the gentleman agreement in Japan with the next gen. NSX which will have around 400hp.
read more here:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=87

If they do, then it will most likely cause a chain reaction and all the Japanese manufacturers will just spit on the agreement and move on with the rest of the world.
Then there *might* be a place for v8 3.5 liter TT.

What I REALLY don't understand is why would Nissan want to stick a V-6, i repeat V-6 in the R35. What's so wrong with the RB26DETT ? [which is flat-6 for those that didn't know]
I really don't see them using any brain switching from flat-6 to v-6..... whats the point?
RB26DETT in my opinion is one of the greatest engines ever... they should just put in RB30DETT in the R35 or something, if they want more power and better reliability due to lower psi.

here in australia holden commodores have a rb30et, yes a single cam rb30, and as the parts are interchangable people here seem to have a craze with fitting rb25det heads and rb26dett heads. making a rb30dett, I am still confused at the moment whether to sell my commodore with a rb26dett and start again. It would be more of a challenge to build one of these engines instead of engine conversion. below is a photo of a rb30et with a rb25det and twin t28 turbo chargers.

http://au.geocities.com/sir_calais/images/pics2/ttdrb30e.jpg

I don't know about you guys but if the 35 is as good as the 32/33/34 and if it presents the same possibility of modding, I wouldn't care what engine they use. If I have the money (that is a BIG "if") I would buy the 35 anyway. :flamer:

igor, just to correct you, the six cyl gtr engine is a long or inline six not a flat six. A flat engine is also known as a boxer engine. eg subaru wrx/porsche.
r33 i love that flame thrower dude!
adam:rocket:

:biggrin2: Adam, enlighten me a bit here. An in line is like the one we have in the gtr. It's a straight six where the pistons fire up. Now, what's a flat/boxer? Does a flat/boxer put the pistons horizontally instead of vertically? :confused:

r33 yep! like 2 people standing, throwing punches at each other.
adam

i think the new body style is awesome

talking about NSX's ,wich one you think it's better the NSX or the GTR (i hate anything honda so my opinion it's one sided)

I love the NSX cockpit - really cool - make you feel as if you are in a fighter jet:smoker2: Ant the engine is where it should be in a Sports car - the rear. The alluminium body is light but that makes it expensive to replace if the need arises. (the door alone is about usd 2600 per piece:eek: ). Parts are also expensive. Handles quite well. Put in a turbine or two, the thing would fly and could possible eat the Viper your In tegra friend was talking about. But......what the hell, I think the GTR is much better and more rugged:finger:

The NSX rocks. It's an awesome car. Pure sports car. ;) Very NICE car. But I also like the Skyline (GTR) better. :D And as for all of you guys bitching about a V8. I don't get the big deal. There are PLENTY of sports/gt/exotics with V8s. The new NSX has an 8. Why can't the Skyline GTR have an 8? It's has always been Japans most muscular car. So why not increase the engine size? I still want 4WD and I think many other GTR fans also want that. So I guess it was either V8/RWD or a lighter engine with 4WD. So I guess the 4WD won. My dream GTR would have a V8 ("front-mid mounted", like the Honda S2000 :p ), twin-turbos, 4WD, and...ummm... the GTR name. ;) But I guess until they...kill...the Skyline it will be a 6 like always. :cool: But the Supra (or whatever Toyota's new car is) and NSX are gonna be V8s, am I right? The Corvette ZO6 is an 8. The Lotus Esprit is an 8. The Ferrari F355 and 360 have 8s. So I guess V8s ARE (!!!!) gr8 engines. :flipa: But until Japan gets rid of their @*$&@*$^*@ agreement of "276" bhp we will have to mod our Japanese cars like pshycos. lol :cool:

BTW, Igor (I think it was) has a good idea with that "RB30DETT" lol. But I would make it "RB61DETT". :smoka: Lol I it will be from BMW. It will be a 12. lol AND it will be in the McLaren F1!!! :D

I don't know Racer, but I think the GTR should maintain its uniqueness by employing the in line 6 rather than jumping onto the V8 bandwagon without any real benefit to gain other than making it very costly!:eek: What a V8 does, I believe the GTR in line 6 can do- even can do better.:eshooter: If Nissan thinks that the GTR is gonna lag behind the V8s 10 litre American cars et al they could always come up with a 3 or 3.5 litre in line 6 TT:badass: and carbon fibre body like the Elise!!:licker: That would smoke the competitors to smithereen. What's the point of a V8? It's gonna be heavy and it'd guzzle fuel like there's no tomorrow. The car has to be bigger (GTR IS already big by sports standard). The only benefit I suppose would be the very nice and inimitable V8 growl. So, stick with in line 6, TT and raise it to 3.5:sun: That's my two cent's worth.

Racer, all the cars you have mentioned that have v8 are great, but guess what? :rolleyes: GT-R is better than any of those patially because of its great engine. I'd like it to be RB series forever for the GT-R.

BTW, did I mention that a V-6 in a GT-R would suck?:smoka:

i think that the whole point for the japanese making the GT-R's engine a V anything is to try to appeal to the american market, remember this is the first one with plans of imports to the US. I wonder if they know that the car is already praised like god in this side of the world.

Yes the RB26DETT with a displacment increase would have the same performance as a standard V8. All I'm saying is that until you change you will never feel or experience the benifit. I'm all for the inline 6 (who isn't ;) lol) but how about a pure sports exotic? Here is what I mean:

"Skyline"

3l V6 TT rear wheel drive. price $28,000-$32,000

"Skyline 35GT"

3.5l i6 TT RWD. (<to save weight) price $35,000-$42K

"Skyline GTR"

3.7l i6/V6 TT (425bhp) 4WD. Carbon Fiber body. price $50k-$60k <<for V-Spec etc.

"Skyline ?" exotic Corvette/NSX-like car from Nissan. What a GREAT IDEA!!!!!! :rolleyes:

4.5l V8 TT (520bhp) RWD. Carbon fiber body. price ...uhhh.. that's the part that will suck... :o

They should find someway to get there $$ back and make different kinds of Skylines. Thats my dream. lol It will never come true. lol Skyline will always be one of each (sports/gt/exotic/ sedan even, it's true it can be considered a sedan).

Oh well. That Tommy kiara ZZ2 is what I'm saving for. lol At $90k it might take a while before I get one. lol I already have to many cars. lol :D

:frog:

Guys, you all do know that there are tons of different Skylines, right? :D
Lemme educate you a little-

This is the GT-R that everyone knows about - RB26DETT - 276 hp but higher torgue.
http://www.webticks.com/igorsush/gtr1.jpg

This is the Skyline GT-S Sedan - RB25DET - 276 hp
http://www.webticks.com/igorsush/skyline4b.jpg

This is the Skyline GT-S coupe - RB25DET - 276 hp
http://www.webticks.com/igorsush/skyline2a.jpg


Also, there are other version of the Coupe and Sedan, with weaker engines. Additionally, there's a Skyline GT-V that is another version of the Coupe.

Ya. We all know about thouse igor. :D LOL The Skyline is like a normal specialty car in Japan. But the GT-R is the higher performance beast. BTW, did you ever see any 400Rs in Japan igor? Thanks dude.

I remember seeing one 400R on the parking lot near my house... it was really good looking [obviously]. It was bright yellow... ahh..uh...eh...eehhh.. I WANT ONE:o

mmmmm 400R. BTW, I also lived in Japan, what part did you live in igor. I was in Tokyo but it was to much and I moved to the contry. Big mistake. lol :) The surroundings were nice but, holy rb26dettS!!!!, it was boring. lol Not chicks, no RX-7s smoking the crap out of me, no nothin' ! lol :p

I lived 60 miles away from Tokyo in Tsukuba City, Ibaraki prefecture. The 400R i saw was on the parking lot of a toy store 5 mins away from my house... ah... childhood was good :rolleyes:

i want one too:cry: god dam it why does it take so long to make money.

Do worry you get one to. lol Just set goals for yourself. My goal was to own a GT-R before I would become 35. And it happened. :D

Originally posted by Racer 20
Do worry you get one to. lol Just set goals for yourself. My goal was to own a GT-R before I would become 35. And it happened. :D


Ahh,

Maybe i should have a set goal on obtaining a Skyline by the time i hit 30:D


Damn, reading more and more everyday makes me want one just as badly as some of you that already HAVE one:(

Y'know, the major reason Nissan is considering the powerplant changes is just so we Yanks can have a chance at driving 'em. Right now, it's very difficult for Nissan to make the switch to LHD with the RB engine. There's also a few disadvantages Nissan's thought about:[list=1]
Inline-sixes are kinda long, and are a bit unsafe in a bad accident. Even BMW is looking to make the change from inline-sixes to vee-configured powerplants.
The RB26 is an iron block engine. This means it's pretty heavy. The engines that Nissan is considering to replace it are all aluminum. There's a turbocharged(single and TT) version of the VQ30DE already in use in Japan, and guess what? It makes the same limit of 280hp! That would not only save weight, but also free up space in the engine bay for even more modifications. People have always complained about the Skyline's hefty weight, and now Nissan is trying to do something about it.
But that is the proposed engine for the JDM Skylines. For the US-bound version, an aluminum, normally aspirated 4.5L V8 will probably be used. The engine already produces 340hp in the luxury car application here in the US. I imagine that over 350hp would be easily possible with this engine in a sports car application. And it would still be lighter than the RB, not including the turbos, piping, and intercooler. Keep in mind that Nissan insiders say that the current RB actually makes about only 320hp, and that's with twin turbos!
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Nissan's just trying to make the Skyline a better car for everyone. Have a little faith.

20 you are a wise man, i shall follow your foot steps my goal its by the time i turn 30:smoka:

First of all folks the modern generation GTR's have had hp numbers well over 300hp. Check the reviews in MT, C&D, and in euro car. R32 has 313, R33 320, and R34 ~340.

And second, I saw a butt ugly R35 (:D) in another thread here. From current sources, the Skyline and GTR will be based off of the XVL concept, thus increased pics of it in XVL form. Here are some:

http://www.j-cars.net/newcar.htm

I like the GTR, similar to the current yellow pic at SCOOP! (www.geocities.com/busybeetoys go to topic 30).

All I can say is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!:crying:
OK maybe not that bad, but as nice as the XVL looks it just ain't the Skyline:huh: know what I mean.

Sure I would buy it Infinity badge and all, V8 too, but does it look like a get the F out of my way :devil: kinda car?!

Actually it looks like the Z Concept went doggy style on the Honda/Acura RS-X:greenchai Ya think:licker:

Maybe the old saying is true. "Beware what you wish for, it may come true". We've all been begging to have Nissan bring the Skyline to the US and now that we do it loses it's look, it's soul, what made it a Prince.:evillaugh

Pray with me now my brothers, pray that Nissan WILL bring the Skyline to the US, pray that they will keep the Prince intack, pray that they will not change what we love about the Skyline.

Write your Nissan Executive now:wave: Hey if they change the Skyline to make the US market happy (what ass in US would like it this way I know not) then everyone else in the world has to get it that same way, so this is a global issue.:eek:

Well the TT V-6 that GTR is getting is American friendly. the N/A version is in the new Maxima, therefore no emissions regs.

TT V6?! OK you lost me there Dylan. What TT V6 are you talking about?:confused:

praise the lord, no realy praise the lord, can any body find the addres of the nissan head office, maybe we could send them some signatures in

TT V-6= Twin Turbo V-6. The current plan is the new Maxima (2002) 3.5L V-6 twin turboed.

AHA! :thinkerg: Somewhere else they were talking about the Audi "TT" and I got that confused with TwinTurbo:P Doh!

Ya just about anything V is US friendly, but it would take away from the Torque.

As I recall and inline 6 is a bit louder than a V-6, but it also has more potential down the road. I-6 is a bit heavier, but can put out more than many V-8's.

So going with a V-6 is worse than going with a V-8.

exactly my point, why change the fucking car to a maxima or what ever they want to do:mad:

Originally posted by R35USA
As I recall and inline 6 is a bit louder than a V-6, but it also has more potential down the road. I-6 is a bit heavier, but can put out more than many V-8's.
So going with a V-6 is worse than going with a V-8.

Yeah, but going with an award-winning V6 that has already in production for several years is better than trying to develop a brand new I6. Could Nissan even make an I6 from aluminum that would rival the VQ in weight savings over the RB? Maybe. Would they? I very seriously doubt it.
One advantage of the V6 is that in just the 3.0 tt version, power is rated at 276hp. It already matches the RB26DETT. Again, both engines are probably putting out around 300hp or higher. Imagine if Nassan takes the 3.5L and adds the tt system. It would definitely have an edge.
Another advantage is that the VQ is much more compact. Take a long engine like the RB or any other I6, and guess what? You need a long engine bay to put it in. Long engine bay=longer frame=more materials=more weight!
The last one thing I'll mention in the V8 vs. VQ vs. RB debate is that the VQ and V8 have already been emissions tested, certified, etc. All the red tape with the gub'ment is already taken care of. Even if the problem of the lhd conversion with the RB didn't exist, Nissan would still have to wade through all the testing all over again to get the RB approved. And if Nissan somehow came up with an aluminum I6 that weighed the same as or less than the VQ and V8, it would have to go through all the testing too.

Bottom line is, the RB ain't comin' to the US. Deal with it!

But then Motorex legalized the r32/r33/r34 skyline for the u.s., and some place close to compton sells RB26DETTs, so what's so hard about bringing RB26DETTs here?

I think he is refering to it being mass produced here in the states, but that is the cool thing. I can crate a couple of those engines over here and throw them into a 240Z or something like that and have one quick little car.:flash:

OK , maybe 276hp out of the factory, but remember the rb is the ultimate tunning engine i do not think that that V6 you are talking about could possily handle 700++++ horse power for much of a time period if it could possibly be tuned to those amounts of power

Yup, that was my point. In the long run an Inline enging can produce more power and torque than a V. It's not how much it can do from the factory, but how much is it capable of doing period.

The amount of mods that people throw into a Skyline would kill a V6 or V8 engine or even worse make the car so unstable it wouldn't be any fun to drive anymore:( Who wants that?

Well said R35USA,

There is a point were you can have too much power. That does depend on the person driving. My limit will be 550, anything more than that would be asking for trouble, like breakdowns or tickets. I figure I'll be getting my fair share at 550, why press the subject.;)

Don't forget about that. It's been the biggest obstacle in getting the Skyline here in the first place. So even if Nissan cared enough about all the people who wanted to mod their Skylines to keep the RB, guess what? We still wouldn't get it here, because the conversion can't be done! And then R35USA would have to change his name to R35JPN or something like that.:rolleyes:

I never said that the RB isn't capable of more power and torque. I know that it is. But at least with the V6 or V8, we'll get a Skyline here. Something is better than nothing. How many people even have the cash to tune their Skylines up to 800+hp, especially after shelling out the money to buy one? Not many. There's a lot of folks who will realize that the V6 or V8 can give them the power they want, within a realistic scope. Not everyone needs to be zooming around in 1,300hp Skylines killing themselves.:rolleyes:

They can keep the rb, since it does meet EPA standards, if it did not MotorEx would not be allowed to sell the car here in the states.

I really do not care what engine is in the Skyline, just bring it over at an affordable price, so we can all be happy, although I would prefer it to be an RB26DETT, but I would take it with a 4cyl engine if I had to. Just put one of those bad boys in my driveway. Don't get me wrong, I like the power aspect of the car, but when it comes right down to it, I love the way the car looks.

RB35? Thats odd, I always thought the RB line of motors was designed to have displacements smaller than other 6-cylinder cars so that it would excel in certain classes of racing. Wouldnt a 3.5L motor defeat the purpose of the RB design?

About the comparison between V6s and inline-6s, lets not forget that it's much more difficult for the aftermarket to turbocharge V designs because there are 2 separate exhaust manifolds; you would always need to have 2 whistlers (of course you could have 1 plus a whole mess of plumbing, but generally that setup is inefficient for both boost and space). When it comes down to flat-out horsepower, 1 large turbo will always do a better job than 2 smaller ones, even though driveability is sacrificed...so I suppose the best engine choice would depend on ones needs.

You don't have to worry about an aftermarket turbo version of the V6. It's available with a tt system in Japan from the factory! And Jim Wolf Technology has already done a single turbo system as well.
And as I've been saying, the main problem with the RB has been the conversion to left hand drive. Emissions are fine, Motorex was able to fix that problem, as well as reconfiguring the ECU to handle the lower octane gas we have here.
The other thing is, inline 6 cylinders don't always make the most torque. Believe it or not, the 2L turbo Lancer Evo VII makes more torque than the 3.3L I6 in the E46 M3. With almost an additional liter more displacement(3.5L vs. 2.6), the turbocharged V6 shouldn't have too much of a problem meeting people's realistic performance expectations.

You don't have to worry about an aftermarket turbo version of the V6. It's available with a tt system in Japan from the factory! And Jim Wolf Technology has already done a single turbo system as well.
And as I've been saying, the main problem with the RB has been the conversion to left hand drive. Emissions are fine, Motorex was able to fix that problem, as well as reconfiguring the ECU to handle the lower octane gas we have here.
The other thing is, inline 6 cylinders don't always make the most torque. Believe it or not, the 2L turbo Lancer Evo VII makes more torque than the 3.3L I6 in the E46 M3. With almost an additional liter more displacement(3.5L vs. 2.6), the turbocharged V6 shouldn't have too much of a problem meeting people's realistic performance expectations.

the skyline it's God righ now if you put a Vanything on it, it would be like naming a fagget Dredereck

WHUT?!?!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

I concur with the "WHUT?!?!".

the skyline it's God righ now if you put a Vanything on it, it would be like naming a fagget Dredereck

--200sx

Attempted deciphering:
The Skyline is God right now, and if they put a V motor on it, it would be like naming a homosexual 'Dredereck'. <~~that part still gets me.

Straight 6 motors are much more user friendly. They are smoother powerplants that rev evenly in all parts of the powerband, due to their natural design. They are also simpler to modify with aftermarket parts. Regardless of the type of future plans for turbos, inline motors are generally easier to work with. The entire exhaust manifold is on one side. The shape of the motor (vertical) allows more room for the space consuming whistlers, in longitudinally front-mounted inlines.

This is not to say that angled Vs are faulty. It is just that those who intend to purchase and/or modify 6-cylinder engines generally prefer inlines for their ease of usage.

Extremely popular I-6 shooters for mods: 1/2JZGTE, RB26/25DETT
How often do you see a turbo NSX? Rare, no? It seems like the best route for the V6 C30A1/C32B2 is a blower.

In a head-on collision! Imagine having such a big, long, heavy engine end up in your lap!
Even BMW is considering a switch from inline sixes, and you know how much they use theirs. The I6 just plain weighs too much, and is too long. Whether you mount it transversely or longitudinally, you have to make space for it, and that means having a big engine bay. Like I said before, long engine= long or wide engine bay=more materials needed for the frame=more weight!
The big, iron-block, RB is one of the main reasons the Skyline weighs so much. When you think about it, the excessive weight is the car's only real flaw. There isn't much you can do to the Skyline to lighten it and keep it's awd+aws systems other than putting in a lighter engine. That's what an aluminum V6 and even V8 would help with. I've never heard of an aluminum I6, so it might not be possible.

Think about it this way: Do you want the new GT-R to have the same flaw the other GT-Rs always had(Weight, which gets progressively higher with every new model), or would you like to see it improve and actually take a step further into supercar territory? The Skyline has the power, and everyone knows it. The handling is very good, and inspires a lot of confidence in the driver. Top Gear, a Brit magazine, said that the R34 made you feel like a hero when driving it. Think of how much it would improve with less weight!

It's time for Nissan's flagship to take charge!

Have to agree with V-Quick on some of it. Yes improving the Skyine is a good thing 110% no doubt about it.

The only thing is like you say "The Skyline has the power, and everyone knows it.". True, but that is with the current engine the I6 RB. NO ONE!!! Not I, not anyone else in the world, at this point not even the egineers at Nissan can say whether going with a V6 or V8 would be better than trying to create a lighter I6.

It would be expensive for sure to invest in a new engine, but the Skyline has always been the top technology car from Nissan.

As for weight (correct me if I'm wrong) but didn't the Mitsubishi GTO/Dodge Stealth use a V-6 TT and weight over 3500 or so? In the end even a V engine could weight a ton, no?

As long as the GT-R keeps the mean killer look that the current R34 has I'll be happy with either engine. In the end if you don't like the engine modify it:finger:

Even BMW is considering a switch from inline sixes, and you know how much they use theirs.

--VQuick

True. I believe the next generation M3 is in V format. Not a V6, but a V8. Will this make it lighter? I haven't a clue, but heck, more power is always welcome. BMW has wisely started using V8s in the GT-class M3s running in the Le Mans series, and are giving the Porsches some much needed competition.

As for a V6 in the Skyline? Your wish is granted. Available in rear/all-wheel drive, the Skyline V35 will be powered by the VQ25/30DDs.

Will an upscale GT-R model have a twin-turbo variant, or the good old RB26DETT? Will it have a VQ35DD? Will there even be a GT-R? Like R35, I don't really mind what it has anymore, since I, like many of you, are familiar with modification. Perhaps automakers believe inlines have lived out their usefulness, but they will never be forgotten.

"but they will never be forgotten."

Can we have a moment of silence please.:angel:

R35, the Mitsu 3000GT(GTO in Japan) and it's Dodge Stealth twin used a V6TT, but the engine was an iron block like the RB. I don't know about Dodge, but Mitsubishi added a lot of useless techno-junk in the 3KGT like exhaust volume and ride firmness controls that stopped working after a while anyway. Can you blame them for being heavy? And I think the Skyline isn't too far from 3,500lbs as it is.
An aluminum block V6 like Nissan's VQ would be lighter than the engine from the Diamond Star twins and the RB in the Skyline. Even the Q45's new V8 might be close in weight to the RB, if you include the weight of the RB's turbo system.
And if you're going to make a lighter inline 6, the only thing you can really do is change the material the block is made of, which means changing to aluminum. You're still in the same spot pretty much, since the aluminum block I6 won't be as strong as an iron block I6. If the aluminum isn't as strong in a V6, why would it be any stronger in an I6? It'd be a waste of money, and I think Nissan knows that. Besides, they wouldn't be able to call it the RB anymore, they'd have to call it something else!

Morpheus, are you referring to the newest E46 M3? That one uses a 3.3L inline 6. However, BMW has been using the new 4.4L and 5L V8s in all of their other higher performance models(the M5, Z8, the upcoming 348hp X5HP) with the exception of the 750. It still gets the V12. The V8 BMW uses is aluminum and pretty compact, so there's a good chance that it could still be lighter than the inline 6 cylinders that are used.
I don't know if Nissan would use a DD version of the VQ35DE in the GT-R or not. They might not send any of the DDs to the states. They haven't yet. I have a better idea, but it remains to be seen if Nissan can keep up with my genius.:rolleyes: The VQ30DET and TT are used in some of the larger sedans sold in Japan, like the Gloria and the President. Like the RB, they produce the limit of 276hp. It's rumored that the RB is really putting out 320hp stock. The normally aspirated VQ35DE however, will already make 305hp for the new Z. Imagine if that sucker used the turbo systems from it's 3L cousins!!:D With that combo, 400hp+ stock should be very possible, and the tunability of the turbos would still be better than the normally aspirated V8-powered 2nd gen Acura NSX and the similarly engined Toyota 4000GT. That's what i meant about taking charge!:flash:

Sticking a V8 in the skyline doesn't necessarily mean Nissan are mad!!

It just depends on which V8 they stick in it.

If you remember, the RB26DETT is derived from the R380 racer. Now if Nissan do what makes sense and use the V8 from the R390 racer then that would be a very decent engine.

Being a 3.5litre twin turbo v8. The r390 has a magnesium block which somehow I doubt would get transferred to the skyline, but the power figures in the r390 road car are up at over 550bhp. Obviously the r390 engine is very light too.

Although the engine has not been as highly developed during its life as the RB26, I am sure it has equal capabilites.

Nissan's new boss man has been making claims that he wants to have class leading cars, performance wise etc.. Sticking that engine into the R35 would make sense, and even in heavily detuned form would provide a product that would happily compete with the 911's etc.. of 2003.

You mean "MAD" like a "MADMAN"?!:eek:

Ya if they throw the R390 engine in the new GT-R you won't hear my complain. (much)

What I really care about right now is WHAT will the next GT-R look like?! :devil: or :angel:. I know what we all want:D

The current R34 looks like Conan the Barbarian in a 3 piece suit (with the RB modified in some of the cars it's more like the Incredible Hulk in Dress greens:frog: ). Very mean and agressive, something you don't wan't to cross in a dark alley, scary, you name it! And yet at the same time very refined, clean cut, luxurious, sofisticated, yada, yada.:sun:

Will the "R35" continue this look?! Or will it end up on the rice boy cutting room floor?!

I like the long hood of the Skyline and 240Z so the inline 6 works for me, I grew up with it. A short nose car should be a mid engine or a mini-van:flipa:

Morpheus, are you referring to the newest E46 M3? That one uses a 3.3L inline 6.

--VQuick

I am referring to the next M3, not the current model. It's been said that BMW engineers believe that their inline 6 has reached its peak racing development, and it is time to take it to the next level, meaning V8s. It's no wonder, considering the steady increase in displacement over the years. Recent Le Mans races with M3s hauled by V8s (now labeled M3 GTR) showed great improvement but like all new designs they need time for tweaking and tuning.

Times are changing for sports cars. It seems like automakers are designing gimmicks and oddities to make their cars more powerful. Sure they work, but all the classiness of a traditional sports car is gone. Who ever would have thought that a transverse mounted, front engined, turbocharged 4-cylinder Mitsubishi sedan would be able to equate straight line performance with a Corvette or Viper? Yet, these cars exist. And it even goes beyond that with handling/driveability and practicality. But it's no longer a classy car. Decades from now, would you rather have kept an auto designed in genuine sports car fashion, or some strange looking trend-mobile? I would much rather see a rusting R32, JZA80, or any other LONG-NOSED, old fashioned, obnoxious monster sleeping in my garage in the future, than some strange design concept that actually made it into the market at one point.

Technology works wonders for society, but sometimes history and heritage are overlooked and forgotten. When the time comes for unveiling, I pray that Nissan won't forget its powerful racing roots and make the next GT-R (or whatever they will call their future flagship grand tourer) with firm connections to its past.

The block is magnesium. Nissan would never, ever, put that engine in a production car like the GT-R. I'll tell you why...

Magnesium is much too unstable for regular street use. Racing teams also use wheels made from magnesium, but have to replace them after a few races. This is because magnesium is extremely brittle. On the WRC cars that use them, the wheels start to crack after only a few thousand miles. That's why Volk racing's wheels are so popular. Since they are made of forged aluminum, they are about as close as you can get to the light weight and strength of magnesium, without the durability hassles. That's why Volk can charge $300 for a 15" wheel.lol

Nissan probably couldn't afford to make that many blocks for a serious production run, and the owners would hate having an engine block that would start to crack after only a few months of hard driving. That's why racing teams use them. They only have one or two cars, and they can afford to get replacement engines.

Oh, and there's one more thing about magnesium: It's very
flammable, and can explode.;)

Hey Morpheus: The next M3 should be a beast with a V8. I wonder how much power it would have. The torque will be much higher, for sure. And it kinda needs it now, since even the Lancer Evo VII has more torque than the E46 M3.

I remember burning magnesium strips in various chemistry labs and obtaining that brilliant white fire.

The thing about the R390GT1:
They were sold in various parts of the world for street use (but Nismo was very adamant to their customers that they should spend most of the mileage on the track). So what are the owners to do once their block starts to warp or crack from the heavy running? It's not like the average racer has a company backed team to make repairs and replacements. 1,000,000 U.S. dollars not well spent, no?

Pure magnesium itself is fairly weak. But just like all other metallic elements, the alloy forms are much much stronger. Steel is an alloy, just like the aluminum variant used so widely in motorsports. The more you mix, the harder the metal. I'm sure the mag blocks of the VRH35L are stronger than we think. After all, the 24 heures du mans IS an endurance race.

Any companies care to make a titanium alloy block? That would literally be jewelry for your car.

Volk Racing does make magnesium alloy wheels. They even have a forged mag TE37 version.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by morpheusxiii
So what are the owners to do once their block starts to warp or crack from the heavy running? It's not like the average racer has a company backed team to make repairs and replacements. 1,000,000 U.S. dollars not well spent, no?

And even if that technology trickled down to the GT-R, it wouldn't be $40-50k well spent either.hehe

Any companies care to make a titanium alloy block? That would literally be jewelry for your car.
Yep, that's why the Vette Z06 costs so much, with it's titanium wheels and exhaust.

al this talk about engines, my only question is, are any of this engines able to go all the way to 1,300+ horse power? i know that the rb26DETT is