800 hp

I have read about the Koreans having ricer Tiburons with hp 800 and over. If anybody knows, I would appreciate it if someone would give me a detailed list or a site containing a detailed list as to what all modification are made to do this. When I say detailed I mean something along the lines of specific names of parts used and other things of the nature.

Thank you for your time.

first off, anything over 200hp should not be considered rice at all!!!

all the huge hp tibs over there are fully custom. you cant just buy crap to make an engine produce 600hp, you have to build it.

i also think you dont really have a grip on exactly how much even 300 hp is. if you think 300hp is easy to achieve, then you seriously need to research more. you will find that the road to 300 is filled with a lot of problems and a lot of money. 300hp will cost you atleast 5000 dollars.

ricer car?.. what the hell is this kid talkin about>?

Well money is not an issue with me. I just want to know what the best shit to add would be to reach my goal.

how much is it not a issue? numbers speak louder than words in this sense.

I plan on having around 50 g for after market advancements, and please dont tell me shit that I am gonna be putting to much money into the car and that i should buy something more worth the money like what one person said to someone, an Aston Martin or a Ferrari(and if you are to do something like that, list cars that I can actualy get for the money I plan to put into the Hyundai). This is all for fun and joy so I don't mind using the money that I plan to.

i'm with you all the way.
invest 50 g's on a tiburon
whoooo.
but i think Tibby01 is right
u can't jus buy shit for the tib.
ur gonna hav to build some shit if u want it to go over 600 hp
and i don't think that all the aftermarket parts for the tib would equal to 50 g's
but i may be misinformed.

Well what I don't use I don't use. I do however, plan to add more to the car than just engine enhancements, but right now I am just concernd on what all the best shit is for getting me to over 600 hp(my top priority at the moment). Anything I have to build I dont mind doing... I have several people that know a ton of shit that are helping me out on this that can do a lot of that.

may i suggest a twin turbo?

nah dodnt go for twin turbo if you want BIG power. this is why all the supras and rx7s usually convert to a single big turbo. it depends what you want to get out of the car though. do you want a drag machine or autocross machine?

Well... I guess if possible a 10 second autocross machine... something with the best of both worlds.

pretty hard to get 10 second wit a big turbo

what do u mean with a big turbo.. do u mean with a big turbo alone. If so there are a lot of other engine things i plan on adding as well.

Are you dudes not gonna help me out anymore...

If so it would really help me out if u keep telling me shit. Last I remember tibby01 asked how much money I had to use and what type of overall engine mod I wanted to add and then nothing more.

Come on dudes please help me out here. If you are to keep helping then thanks a lot.

Well what I don't use I don't use. I do however, plan to add more to the car than just engine enhancements, but right now I am just concernd on what all the best shit is for getting me to over 600 hp(my top priority at the moment). Anything I have to build I dont mind doing... I have several people that know a ton of shit that are helping me out on this that can do a lot of that.

you said that u had several people who know a ton of shit.
there's not much more we could tell you here
besides make your own stuff.
we dont' kno how to make the stuff
so i can't say.

you could just totally replace your engine and make a custom one. den add twin turbo. get the best exhaust system possible. u could make a custom engine that pushes 500 hp. wit the twin turbo and the exhaust i'm told that u would be around 600-650.
that would cost a shit load of money but u said u have 50 g's to do it wit. i'm not sure if all that would be within 50 g's though. :)

o and by the way.
this forum isn't one of the most active. i suggest you go ask some people in
hyundaiperformance.com
rdtiburon.com

hyundaiperformance.com is by far the largest and most active hyundai forum on the net.

hyundaiaftermarket is the second largest and while it isnt as active, it contains the best archives on information on our cars.

rdtiburon just started about 4 months ago, but it has many people common to all boards on it talking specifically about RD tiburons(1996-2001). the GK tiburon is the newer version

there are other forums like www.importshark.com and some others, but i dont really participate in them.

once you get up to that kind of horsepower, i think the only thing left on tibs in korea who are running the same amount of hp is the engine block, and MAYBE the head. everything else though is forged to the upteenth power for strength. if i were you, i would go to the hyundaiperformance.com forum, and post in the "RD Tiburon" part how much money you had and how you wanted to spend it. there are a lot of very knowledgeable people over there who can help you out.

TibsBatALL the reason I am asking you all is because my friends know how to put the shit together but they dont know what the best stuff is for the tibs.

Hey dudes I have another question... particularly refering to Tibbie01's statement of posting my question in the RD Tiburon section.

Are the older tibs better for hp increasements than the new ones or does it not really matter(excluding the V 6 03 tib)?

the difference between the two engines is very minute, but the RD tiburon is a lighter car. the only differences are minor changes in the head and the fact that the beta II is a MAP car and the beta I is a MAF car.

do not try tuning the v-6 to anywhere over 280hp... you WILL NOT get there. you can check this out if you wanna know why.
http://www.hyundaiaftermarket.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=39;t=000260

if seriously have that much money, and want to build one of the best tiburons in the world, make it a autocross car too. because autocross is more about acceleration, and fast spool up, you will want a twin turbo system. refer to this and check my 6th post. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=146979

*if you wanna get to ten second e.t.'s, dont even think about show, cause you will be weighed down with audio stuff.

Tibby01... in that forum you had me check out you said that it would be a plumbing nightmare... what all did you mean by that(just a little curious). Thanks.

plumbing nightmare...ok

our engine bays aren't exactly the largest. first off, you'd have to stuff another turbo in their. a sequential turbo system woiuld have one big turbo, not to much more piping than a single though. a twin-turbo system would have two small turbos, but more piping, and one hellatious manifold. two turbo's means two pipes going to the exhaust, two intake pipes and filters, and more(and preferably larger) pipes going into the intercooler.

i just said plumbing nightmare cause of all the metal tubes going everywhere. it wouldnt be too bad if you could just run the pipes the shortest distance to where they needed to be, but you cant have any extreme bends and MUST consider making everything free-flowing.

The last question I think I have... at least for the time being... is which put out more hp, the sequential twin turbo or the one that you put as being just 2 turboes? And do the twin tuboes have different stages like the single turboes(that might be a real dumb question that I should Know the answer to but can't be too safe), and if so is there a point where if you keep going up stage by stage on the 2 types of twin systems that whichever one is weaker will eventually become the stronger(refering to hp gain). Does my second question make sence... if not let me know and I will rewrite it. Thanks yet again.

Well I did come up with one more question when reading this thread again relating to the differences in MAF and MAP engines... would you mind giving me a site or 2 that would give me information on those 2 systems or would you mind telling me dirrect? I did look but all the sites I found didnt really explain them to. All I would find were sites with a car and telling which system it used. Thanks for what I hope to be the final question I have.

the sequential turbo works like this. the exhaust gases spin a small turbo, which will spin up very fast. the smaller turbo covers the low rpm range, and the bigger one takes over once it gets up to speed.

honestly, i dont know which one will produce overall higher hp, but my guess would be the sequential. a big turbo would produce very high hp at relatively low pressure, but would prolly have more lag. the lag though is made up for the insane amount of boost once the big turbo gets spinning. small twin turbos would have almost no lag and still be able to produce great boost, which is good for autocrossing.

and "stages" is a fast and furious term. try to never use it when talking to knowledgeable people about stuff, cause certain people are dicks and would make a big deal of it. some companies do deam enhancements "stages", but that is just because of marketing reasons after seeing how well F&F did in the movies. the only aftermarket things for tiburons that you will see have stages are clutch kits.

on to MAP and MAF...

these two sensors serve the same purpose. they both tell the ecu how much air is entering the engine, so that the ecu can adjust the amount of fuel being supplied.

MAF(mass-air flow) detects the flow of air molecules entering the through the intake.

MAP(manifold absolute pressure) detects the barometric pressure in the intake manifold.

this thread goes into it in further detail.
http://hyundaiperformance.com/forums/topic.php?t=25243

forgot to stick this in here... if you plan on going for a lot of hp, you wont even need to know about MAF or MAP, because you will HAVE to get a stand alon fuel system(i.e. HALTECH)

Ohh shit... I just realized this... I planned on waiting till the 04 tiburons come out to do all this shit and just now heard that both the i4 and the v6 will have aluminum blocks... do you know if these blocks will be as week as the aluminum blocks in the 03 v6 tibs... and if so would it be possible and how much would it cost if so to switch the aluminum blocks out with the cast iron ones... or should i just get an 03 tib instead. (Even if it would be better just to get the 03 tib I would still like to know your estimate on the block switch.)

o ferrealz??????!!!!!!
you have to be kidding.
now i'm not getting a tiburon.
both of them are coming out with aluminum blocks.
that's pathetic.
god.

i havent heard that yet, but aluminum blocks arent necessarily bad. most racecars use aluminum blocks. the v6 one is shit because of how it exerts its force on the weak bolts.

i havent heard that yet, but aluminum blocks arent necessarily bad. most racecars use aluminum blocks. the v6 one is shit because of how it exerts its force on the weak bolts.

So your saying that as long as the block has been engineered better so that, say it is all one piece this time or something, it will still be able to withstand the HP increases that i hope to apply to the tib?

Ohh and for anyone who wants to know where I got the info on the aluminum blocks I found it at the yahoo autos site. Not to sure how realialbe the place is for cars that havn't come out yet but that is where I found it.

yes.

can you post a link to that site too please?

yes.

can you post a link to that site too please?

Here is the site that said that the 04 base model tibs will have an aluminum block. It says it under the Engines & Emisions part on that page.

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/d/hyundai04tiburon/base/trim_specs.html?refsrc=autos/home

o it does say it.
damn

Someone I talked to online said something about switching out the block in the car to something better. How much would this cost and would it allow the V6 models to be able to run what I am looking for.

yeah , you could switch the block. but what are you going to stick in there. you are better of just modding the i4 engine. and i think that the yahoo site is wrong.

if youre gettin 50 g's then buy a damn m3... or something worth that much
why put so much money into a tib?.... to get 800 hp... you have better started with an i-4.... its got an iron block and headers unlike teh v6's aluminum

if youre gettin 50 g's then buy a damn m3... or something worth that much
why put so much money into a tib?.... to get 800 hp... you have better started with an i-4.... its got an iron block and headers unlike teh v6's aluminum

sleeper factor dude, and maybe the pride you get after you race a vette with a tiburon and beat it.

if youre gettin 50 g's then buy a damn m3... or something worth that much
why put so much money into a tib?.... to get 800 hp... you have better started with an i-4.... its got an iron block and headers unlike teh v6's aluminum

Now that Mercedes is no longer a German corperation I hate... no I despise all German cars... Especially BMW. I am doing this just because I like the Tiburon and think that it will be a fun car to work on and even more fun to drive once I get finished with it. There are other reasons I am going with the Tiburon but are not relative to why I am putting so much money into it.

And tibby01... even if I were to replace the block in the v6 with a cast iron all one piece block similar to the current i4's designed to fit the v6 it still wouldn't allow the v6 to push what I am looking for?... not saying that I am gonna do it, I am just curious. And the same for the 04 i4s, that is if the yahoo site is indeed right and the hyundai industry is placing in blocks similar to the current v6.

you would be able to push a lot more hp. i dont know how much, but if you designed the main bearing cap like the 3.5L v6 in the hyundai suv, and made the block out of cast iron, then you copuld prolly make it put out very good hp. but you dont want to. unless you know someone who can make engines and can hook you up, you will be spending atleast 10k dollars making it.

You picked like the worst car evar to do this :lol:

I promise you if your friends try to put this together, it won't last more than a day. You need a reputable tuner who knows what they're doing, and you're gonna spend at least $50,000 on the drivetrain alone, before you ever even touch any other part of the car.

I don't think you really realize what you're asking about. Just by reading your posts in this thread I can tell you're in over your head on this. Do you have ANY idea how much power that is? You'll NEVER be able to drive it around, it's gonna be a track only car. Don't believe everything you see in Fast and the Furious and read in Import Tuner, you don't need 800 hp to have a fast car. 300 hp would be more than enough to beat 99% of the cars you'll ever come across, including vettes, vipers, etc. 300 hp is a realistic goal. 800 hp is not. You might as well say you want 10,000 hp.

You picked like the worst car evar to do this :lol:

I promise you if your friends try to put this together, it won't last more than a day. You need a reputable tuner who knows what they're doing, and you're gonna spend at least $50,000 on the drivetrain alone, before you ever even touch any other part of the car.

I don't think you really realize what you're asking about. Just by reading your posts in this thread I can tell you're in over your head on this. Do you have ANY idea how much power that is? You'll NEVER be able to drive it around, it's gonna be a track only car. Don't believe everything you see in Fast and the Furious and read in Import Tuner, you don't need 800 hp to have a fast car. 300 hp would be more than enough to beat 99% of the cars you'll ever come across, including vettes, vipers, etc. 300 hp is a realistic goal. 800 hp is not. You might as well say you want 10,000 hp.

Ok dude... people like you kind of piss me off... I am doing this for fun... I dont give a rats ass about money right now... I don't see 800 hp really being all to unrealistic... not to critisize or talk badly about them... but if the Koreans can put over 600 hp into this car then I better the hell be able to too. And this thing about not beleaving everything I see in The Fast and the Furious... I dont believe much of anything at all in that movie, not saying I don't enjoy it... but yeah I do know that the cars in that movie are unrealisticwhen it comes to some of their performances... and then about you telling me that I will never be able to drive it around... why the hell would that be. And now to top it all off what makes you think my friends wouldn't be able to make this work... half of the people I know that will be helping with this do in fact work with car engines and bodies, and those that dont do profesional work on cars do this stuff as a hoby in their spare time.

Sorry to all whom of which might be ofended by my... probably over excessive responce.

Ok dude... people like you kind of piss me off

I'm trying to help you? :eek7: Just because it's not what you want to hear, doens't mean it's not help.

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I dont give a rats ass about money right now

I plan on having around 50 g for after market advancements

Seriously dude, that's not enough money for what you're talking about. You're talking about the kind of power pro drag cars have. You realize it's not uncommon for those guys to spend around $5,000 just for a clutch?

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but if the Koreans can put over 600 hp into this car then I better the hell be able to too.

And how many hours of research do you think it took them to get there? How many engines do you think they've lost in the process. You're talking about something a very elite few of their finest cars are doing, and you want to put it together in your garage with the help of some friends? Just think about that...

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and then about you telling me that I will never be able to drive it around... why the hell would that be.

Even if you could, you wouldn't WANT to drive it around.

1. it's gonna be unreliable. You're talking about over a 500% increase in power. It WILL be unreliable, don't kid yourself.

2. it's not gonna run like the factory engine. I know, you're thinking "duh", but seriously. 20 bucks says it'll die 9 times out of 10 when you roll up to a stoplight or something. And it's not just gonna crank back over like the stock engine.

3. you're gonna get like 3 miles to the gallon. I know it's a small engine, but it takes FUEL to make POWER, no matter how big or small your motor is. And it takes a LOT of fuel to make that much power.

4. it's not gonna drive right. You're gonna need a LOT of boost to get that small of an engine to that kind of power. It's gonna feel very slow driving around on the street for that reason. Throttle response will be horrible, and turbo lag will be crazy. Don't expect to get any power before, say... 5000 RPM?

5. you're not gonna want to risk it. One idiot soccer mom turns in front of you, there goes all your hard work.

6. if you EVER want that much power to be at all usable in a FWD car, you need EXTENSIVE suspension modifications. I'm not talking about coilovers and sway bars, I mean you're gonna have to completely redesign and rebuild the whole thing, from scratch. It really would not hurt to reinforce the ENTIRE unibody.

7. I hope you live in the backwoods somewhere (like me) cuz most states would not even consider letting something like that run on the road. Hell I think I'd even get in trouble with it here.

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And now to top it all off what makes you think my friends wouldn't be able to make this work... half of the people I know that will be helping with this do in fact work with car engines and bodies, and those that dont do profesional work on cars do this stuff as a hoby in their spare time.

This is what makes me think that...

because my friends know how to put the shit together but they dont know what the best stuff is for the tibs.

You don't understand... it's not like buying an exhaust and bolting it on. You can't just "put shit together" and expect this to last more than 30 seconds. You don't realize the level of tuning that needs to be done. You NEED someone who knows these exact engines INSIDE AND OUT!

This is NOT something some random mechanic or body repairman can pull off. This is NOT something someone who just has a hobby can pull off.

youll need a whole engine swap... and that will cost you more than 50 g's... reinforeced frame... transmission.. blahh blahh blahh... youre goal of 800 horse power for 50 grand is unrealistic... youll need a nitrous oxide system... turbo with a huge intercooler... reinforced manifold to that... if you wanted to really do this than you would know more abotu how the korean team got to 600 whp... you woulda done alot more research and constantly doin research....
you can makeyour car pretty fast with 50g's.... but not even close to what youre dreaming...

I know you guys are just trying too help him, but why don't you just let him do it. He seems to be convinced that it will work, so let him try. It'd be learning experiance for everyone. If it works, well good for him and he can come back and tell us how it worked out and it if doesn't work, well that's too bad and considering how much money he seems to have invested into this, he could just buy another car just like that anyway. So I say, more power to him and hope it works out for the best whatever the outcome.

-ColeIketani

and if he ruins huis car while trying to make this impposible goal..... he'll be spending teh rest of his money fixing the car... thats why we are helping him...
he obviously doesnt know that much abotu cars.. let alone his own car.. and im willing to lend my knowledge to someone who wants it

or maybe he does and he's got some tricks up his sleeve that we're unaware of. I mean can't we give him the benifit of the doubt and see what happens. I mean gezze, talk about talking about someone in a negitive light that we don't even know well...hell, I say good luck to ya

Id plan for the worst:frown:

or maybe he does and he's got some tricks up his sleeve that we're unaware of. I mean can't we give him the benifit of the doubt and see what happens. I mean gezze, talk about talking about someone in a negitive light that we don't even know well...hell, I say good luck to ya

Thank you very much... I appreciate your understanding.

Yeah I am almost 100% possitive that there will be some pretty... 'deffening' spots while trying to achieve my goal, nomatter how hopeless it may sound to others, but I do feel confident in my trials.

Do you have access to a dyno? You're going to have to spend hours upon hours on one, and unless you have your own dyno and can do your own tuning on it, that alone could add up to a real pretty penny.

I just don't think you fully realize what you're wanting to do. The time and effort it will take to build an 800 hp Tiburon is probably more than building a 1500 hp Supra.

My advice is to plan for 400 or so hp. That's feasable. Then once you get there and have all the kinks worked out, start building from there with whatever money you have left over.

plan big but build lil by lil... set a few goals for yourself...
with all this planned out... youll spend a good amount of years on this one car.... :screwy: