why do mustang guys hate import guys?

Look, i own a civc that i put alot of time and money into. It's no cobra or anything but i run mid to low 13's. I never go around and pick on v8's cause i know most of the time i can't beat them. I drive what i drive because that's what I like.I very much respect for any car that is fast. My point is, is that I drive around minding my own and here comes some punk in a mustang talking shit! What did I do? I don't race v8's I only race imports. So maybe you guys can make me understand why I get messed with for no reason. By the way, I don't rice my civic out with gay ass spoilers and lights. Thank you

Just like there is asshole Mustang owners there are asshole Honda owners. That simple.

Another hint go look in the Honda/Acura Forum, Then under Street Racing Stories, What does it say under it? Who is throwing more stones?

wait wait - import guys won't like me because of my v8? That's horribly judgemental. Shame on them! I am a really nice guy!

wait wait - import guys won't like me because of my v8? That's horribly judgemental. Shame on them! I am a really nice guy!

They don't like me cause I beat them :smokin:

I prefer to buy 'domestic', although my mini-van is a Mazda (part Ford) (I got a great deal!)

However, I appreciate a good lookin' car, no matter what the brand.

*The import guys I hate are the ones that are lookin' to run no matter what. The guys who ride next to you on a 2-lane. The guys who rev their engine at every light. The ones who weave through morning rush-hour traffic with no regard for safety (this could be any domestic too, but these are the import guys who I hate)

The 'ricers' with the stickers, big wings, neon lights, and coffee can exhaust tips.....they just make me laugh. (except for the ones that are like * above)

Just like there is asshole Mustang owners there are asshole Honda owners. That simple.

Another hint go look in the Honda/Acura Forum, Then under Street Racing Stories, What does it say under it? Who is throwing more stones?
this is true. Have you ever seen how many stones are thrown from the other side?

Personally, if you have a fast car or have a undersatnding of what your talking about, then I'll have respect for you no matter what!

this is true. Have you ever seen how many stones are thrown from the other side?

Personally, if you have a fast car or have a undersatnding of what your talking about, then I'll have respect for you no matter what!


Over in the Honda/Acura site, there is a forum that dedicates itself to telling stories of Hondas beating Mustang GTs in street races. There really is no equivalent on the Mustang side.
The problem is the demographic of the drivers. Honda/Acura enthusiasts tend to be a few years younger than their Mustang GT counterparts. In general, no parent in their right mind would hand their 16 year old child the keys to a car that produces 300 pound feet of torque. However, a Honda Civic produces a very safe 115 pound feet of torque at a very distant 4000 R.P.M.

I know of plenty of places in STL and KC that are affluent enough for parents to buy their kids GT's without second thoughts... :uhoh:

I know of plenty of places in STL and KC that are affluent enough for parents to buy their kids GT's without second thoughts... :uhoh:

I agree. However, in general there are plenty more places where parents do buy their children inexpensive commuter cars instead of high torque sports cars. This is where the demographic of the older/younger drivers comes into play regarding Mustangs/Civics, respectively.

I got another opinion. Imagine you are 16, your parent get you a Civic cause they think (they actually know) that you will be driving fast the first month therefore they do not want you to die so instead of getting you a fast car and trusting you, they buy a slow car and are sure that you CANT drive fast. BUT you WANT to be fast and you automaticaly start deffending Japaneese cars and thats when you become a ricer. I think in most cases a ricer test drives a V8 and then he is having second thoughts about his JAPANEESE PERFORMANCE (I am not including Skyline). So, the ricer takes of his wing and stickers, sells the car and gets a Domestic. Im not making this up. I know people who went through that crap (Although they try to hide that some time ago they were ricers). And I NEVER met a Domestic guy switch to RICE!!!

I have a couple of Mustang friends who don't hate me. It all really depends on the attitude. There's plenty of import guys who constanly hate on domestics & act like thugs. Those are the kind I can't stand. They ruin it for anyone else who so chooses to rice out a car. Also, I especially don't like these...\/\/\/\/\/\/
*The import guys I hate are the ones that are lookin' to run no matter what. The guys who ride next to you on a 2-lane. The guys who rev their engine at every light. The ones who weave through morning rush-hour traffic with no regard for safety (this could be any domestic too, but these are the import guys who I hate)

Disabled']I got another opinion. Imagine you are 16, your parent get you a Civic cause they think (they actually know) that you will be driving fast the first month therefore they do not want you to die so instead of getting you a fast car and trusting you, they buy a slow car and are sure that you CANT drive fast. BUT you WANT to be fast and you automaticaly start deffending Japaneese cars and thats when you become a ricer. I think in most cases a ricer test drives a V8 and then he is having second thoughts about his JAPANEESE PERFORMANCE (I am not including Skyline). So, the ricer takes of his wing and stickers, sells the car and gets a Domestic. Im not making this up. I know people who went through that crap (Although they try to hide that some time ago they were ricers). And I NEVER met a Domestic guy switch to RICE!!!


The guy who i bought my mustang from switched to a civic! aw it pissed me off, although im glad cause i got the car. how can you go from mustang to civic, i mean come on! i saw him a couple of months later and he bragged to me how he just got a custom 500 dollar exhaust system for his honda. how is it possible to go from american muscle to import! no offense to import owners of course, cause there are a couple nice ones in my club.

it's just most of the time in my opinion the reason i don't switch to a domestic is because of the gas mileage...i'm talking about v8's here. sure they are fast but man they eat gas like no one's business hence why right now i don't get one. sure maybe later on in the future i will probably go domestic because of their power but right now i'm glad with my max...even though sometimes i wish i had a 4 cylinder but anyways you all get my point.

honda and toyota are markedly superior in build quality demonstrated by the highest reliability records of any auto maker for the past decade....according to publications such as consumer reports and JD Powers surveys

most domestic drivers that show enmity towards japanese cars do so because of 1) lack of knowledge/understanding 2) rejection of things different 3) nationalism

the truth is japanese cars make up more than 50% of the market in America while in Japan, American cars make up less than 1% of the market.. that right there must tell you something..

here I will give a bit of information that will most certainly perplex most of those ignoramus' that comprise much of the japanese car hating crowd.. that will exemplify my point of the level of ignorance pervasive in the domestic crowd

if torque is the all important factor in making a car fast..

Why do the Honda/Toyota F1 cars that make ONLY around 90 ft-lbs of peak torque around 16,000 rpm run the quarter mile in around 9 seconds and 0-60 in under 3 seconds... ?

ask any typical japanese car hater this question and it'll be more clear why they feel the way they do,,, ignorance, opinions without any clear understanding

i have respect for guys who know what theyre talking about, regardless of what theyre preference is, a hot rodder is a hot rodder whether he rods hemis or hondas. I have respect for all fast cars, if you can beat me, you have my respect, i may not like your ride, but it gets respect

honda and toyota are markedly superior in build quality demonstrated by the highest reliability records of any auto maker for the past decade....according to publications such as consumer reports and JD Powers surveys

most domestic drivers that show enmity towards japanese cars do so because of 1) lack of knowledge/understanding 2) rejection of things different 3) nationalism

the truth is japanese cars make up more than 50% of the market in America while in Japan, American cars make up less than 1% of the market.. that right there must tell you something..

here I will give a bit of information that will most certainly perplex most of those ignoramus' that comprise much of the japanese car hating crowd.. that will exemplify my point of the level of ignorance pervasive in the domestic crowd

if torque is the all important factor in making a car fast..

Why do the Honda/Toyota F1 cars that make ONLY around 90 ft-lbs of peak torque around 16,000 rpm run the quarter mile in around 9 seconds and 0-60 in under 3 seconds... ?

ask any typical japanese car hater this question and it'll be more clear why they feel the way they do,,, ignorance, opinions without any clear understanding

Maybe cos its got a low drag coefficient, low weight, 800hp, and a gearbox to match that rev range. Stick that motor in a civic, with a civic gearbox, and not only do you have a very expensive car, but a rather slow one too. The plus side is, you'l probably burn out the clutch after a week. Oh wait, that's not good...

Street cars are not built to allow such a massive rev range, and so must have taller gear ratios. This brings the need for torque over horsepower for increased acceleration as horsepower is a time-dependant function of torque, and so rpms has an effect on it. Since said street car doesn't have a very broad rpm range, more torque is needed to produce more horsepower.

On the street torque matters. In a race car that doesn't drop below 60mph, power matters.

honda and toyota are markedly superior in build quality demonstrated by the highest reliability records of any auto maker for the past decade....according to publications such as consumer reports and JD Powers surveys

most domestic drivers that show enmity towards japanese cars do so because of 1) lack of knowledge/understanding 2) rejection of things different 3) nationalism

the truth is japanese cars make up more than 50% of the market in America while in Japan, American cars make up less than 1% of the market.. that right there must tell you something..

here I will give a bit of information that will most certainly perplex most of those ignoramus' that comprise much of the japanese car hating crowd.. that will exemplify my point of the level of ignorance pervasive in the domestic crowd

if torque is the all important factor in making a car fast..

Why do the Honda/Toyota F1 cars that make ONLY around 90 ft-lbs of peak torque around 16,000 rpm run the quarter mile in around 9 seconds and 0-60 in under 3 seconds... ?

ask any typical japanese car hater this question and it'll be more clear why they feel the way they do,,, ignorance, opinions without any clear understanding

Well let's us congradulate another import idiot!!! Not only does he knows shit about automobiles but he also know shit about basic geo-economics. Try educating yourself and you will understand why your big 50% to 1% is. HINT:It's not cause of the Japanese car superiorty.

Your an ignorant dumbshit and please never bother posting in this Forum agian.

Maybe cos its got a low drag coefficient, low weight, 800hp, and a gearbox to match that rev range. Stick that motor in a civic, with a civic gearbox, and not only do you have a very expensive car, but a rather slow one too. The plus side is, you'l probably burn out the clutch after a week. Oh wait, that's not good...

Street cars are not built to allow such a massive rev range, and so must have taller gear ratios. This brings the need for torque over horsepower for increased acceleration as horsepower is a time-dependant function of torque, and so rpms has an effect on it. Since said street car doesn't have a very broad rpm range, more torque is needed to produce more horsepower.

On the street torque matters. In a race car that doesn't drop below 60mph, power matters.
Yes, Good rebuttal to his post! :bigthumb:

the truth is japanese cars make up more than 50% of the market in America while in Japan, American cars make up less than 1% of the market.. that right there must tell you something..

yea it tells me that japan's import tax is extremely high to protect the jdm while america's are lower to encourage growth.

i give tons more respect for imports even tho i own a camaro, mainly because the japanese engineers can design a better car that america can....much much more reliable...u can run a 4 cylinder toyota for 200+k miles and itll still run some even last 1million miles while the domestics engine's are dead after 200k miles, and he is right because look how far the stock imports redline....6k rpm, my camaro redline's at 4800 rpm i believe... same as the 2 cylinder cruiser bikes....bullet bike's are 4 cylinder and redline 8000+rpm while the 2 cylinder's are slow and have alot of tourque, they red line alot lower but are slower

I hate rice and domestic dipshits equally.

Questions for Dumbestic Dimwits as follows;

When is the last time an LS1 won at Le Mans?

How did a 3.0 liter Honda engine lead the NSX to place ahead of all the 7.0 liter Calloway Corvette's in 1995?

Why was Honda the first to produce engines that meet LEV/ULEV/SULEV requirements, the first to incorporate variable valve timing and lift into a production automobile, the first to produce a hydrogen cell vehicle, and first to make over 100 hp/liter in a production NA car?

Why has Honda won 5 consecutive F1 championships in the past 15 years while an American manufacturer has won none?

Why was Toyota the first with an electric/gas production hybrid?

Why do Japanese cars outsell domestic cars in America?

Why did Honda and Toyota engines take 95% of the podium finishes in CART over Ford engines for the previous 5 years before their entry into the IRL, and now in the IRL why do HONDA and Toyota engines consistently take more than 90% of the podium finishes against Chevrolet engines?


There's plenty more to come. Let the ignoramus' occupy themselves forumlating inane and nonsensical responses.

I wasn't aware an LS1 ever won a Lemans or even entered in it.

apparently the deluded guy with the extensive LS1 eulogy in his sig doesn't realize that

No LS1 that powers a F-body/Corvette has ever seen time at Le Mans. The C5R's use LS1 derived 427's, but they share nothing similar in race/street attire...

Let's break this down. The US of A is the only real superpower left. This country as more buying power within it's borders than pretty much the rest of the world, combined. They're gonna buy anything. We're not taxed for space here like Japan is. Ah, this is boring me, next....

Who the fuck cares about F1 racing, I don't.

Toyota was the first with a gas/electric hybrid for the reason listed above. Japanese manufacturers are more globally minded because of the conditions they have to work with in the Far East. Give me my gas guzzler that get 30 mpg on the highway daily.

Japanese outsell American due to them being cheap, affordable for any/everyone, yet no one takes them seriously.

Hmm, no one cares about CART or IRL either. Those two series have been horrible since they split from being one. Those guys really messed up with that one.

:2cents:

blkcamaross i have to disagree with u.....u say imports are cheaper.....u can get a nice import for same price u will a mustang, but u can go to more classy like the s2000 or 350z or skyline, cars that will run with domestics of the same price up to 130....only way imports are cheaper is they last several thousand miles more than domestics....i love my camaro and all but in reliability my engine will last about 100-150k miles compared to a import lastin 200k-1million miles w/o many problems.....thats the only way imports are cheaper is on maitance

To lanevoMR, this is a Mustang Forum so why are you in here insulting american cars and pointing out there flaws. Like a fuckin Honda or Toyota is perfect! And thats all im gonna say right now cause im not here to start flame wars like you!

When I said imports, it was in regards to small econoboxes, not the sports cars with japanese labels. Those are more expensive than American made sports cars, and don't contribute to the masses that were quoted to be bought here...

MOst ppl buy hondas cause they are cheap and use little gas but there is a shitloud of things in every store for them so they can rice them to make ppl think they are fast! as far as inport cars not pushing as much as a stang or any of that bull shit look at the 2003 subar wrx sti that will talk and spit out any gt yoou have stock with also having thta 300 lbs you say parents wont buy there kids! I think anybody who puts time and there money to make there car the way they want it should get respect! The whole point is to have what you want not to try and be like everyone else is! I mean hell ppl talk shit about there hondas and mustang owners always bitch but there are a million mustangs around I hate seeing them cause there everywhere there as bad as civics maybe there just to much alike

Over in the Honda/Acura site, there is a forum that dedicates itself to telling stories of Hondas beating Mustang GTs in street races. There really is no equivalent on the Mustang side.
The problem is the demographic of the drivers. Honda/Acura enthusiasts tend to be a few years younger than their Mustang GT counterparts. In general, no parent in their right mind would hand their 16 year old child the keys to a car that produces 300 pound feet of torque. However, a Honda Civic produces a very safe 115 pound feet of torque at a very distant 4000 R.P.M.

I just wanna say that i'm 16, have a GT mustang, and my mom bought the car for me. In general yes, most parents wouldnt hand their kid the keys to a stang, but my mom IS in her "right mind", its all about responsibilty.

here I will give a bit of information that will most certainly perplex most of those ignoramus' that comprise much of the japanese car hating crowd.. that will exemplify my point of the level of ignorance pervasive in the domestic crowd

if torque is the all important factor in making a car fast..

Why do the Honda/Toyota F1 cars that make ONLY around 90 ft-lbs of peak torque around 16,000 rpm run the quarter mile in around 9 seconds and 0-60 in under 3 seconds... ?



I bet I could out 60 foot that car. That car makes up for it in the big end. What does that car redline at??? if it's peak torque is at 16,000 RPM. motors make there peak torque at a lot lower rpm then the redline. Where do you get your info??? I think it is a like of BS. think of like the ol' 2.5L motor.6,000rpm with 150lb of torque made 100hp. so 3 times the speed is 3 times the powerI thought they're making like 600hp or so. so the math doesn't work out at all.

MOst ppl buy hondas cause they are cheap and use little gas but there is a shitloud of things in every store for them so they can rice them to make ppl think they are fast! as far as inport cars not pushing as much as a stang or any of that bull shit look at the 2003 subar wrx sti that will talk and spit out any gt yoou have stock with also having thta 300 lbs you say parents wont buy there kids! I think anybody who puts time and there money to make there car the way they want it should get respect! The whole point is to have what you want not to try and be like everyone else is! I mean hell ppl talk shit about there hondas and mustang owners always bitch but there are a million mustangs around I hate seeing them cause there everywhere there as bad as civics maybe there just to much alike
I just wanna say the reason the subaru wrx sti will "spit out" any gt owner is because of the price, the $30,000 price. The reason there are a "million mustangs around" is because most people (including me) dont have the money to dish out into a import to make it fast, i was bought a stock mustang and stock, it is quick. I also dont have the $30,000 to go out and buy a new Lancer Evo or WRX, so therefore, i buy the cheapest...yet fastest thing i can....a mustang.

I just wanna say the reason the subaru wrx sti will "spit out" any gt owner is because of the price, the $30,000 price. The reason there are a "million mustangs around" is because most people (including me) dont have the money to dish out into a import to make it fast, i was bought a stock mustang and stock, it is quick. I also dont have the $30,000 to go out and buy a new Lancer Evo or WRX, so therefore, i buy the cheapest...yet fastest thing i can....a mustang.

Throw enough money at your GT to equal 30k and watch that STI in your rearview mirror

Throw enough money at your GT to equal 30k and watch that STI in your rearview mirror
Yeah I raced a STI at the track. Those are quick cars, but we were pretty much dead even in the 1/4 mile. Only thing he had going for him was the AWD, that really helps in getting very low 60 ft times.

blkcamaro, is it fair to have a race car like a mustang or camaro v a economy compact car like a prelude? thats not a real fair race...the rx-8 and the 350z cost about the same as the svt cobra and perform about the same.....and stang racer i love my camaro and all but im just sayin the rice burners have the reliability unlike the domestic car's

That's exactly what I'm saying. If I saw those on a day to day basis and they raced me, all would be nice with the world. Considering that I don't, they just sit on car lots around here, the only thing that I do see is stupid people with their stupid cars, point of origin regardless. Anything worth it's weight from overseas is too expensive to see out racing, hence the reason why there are Civics everywhere.

The day that a 350Z and an RX8, both stock, perform like an 03 Cobra, is the day that I give up my SS. Just not gonna happen.

Also, a "riceburner's" reputation for reliability, as I believe it has been stated before, is not all that it's cracked up to be. It's gotten blown up way beyond belief since these cars are so popular right now. Beating on those cars gives the same results as beating on american made cars. What pisses me off the most is when people come up to me and tell me that my car will be dead 50k-100k miles down the road, and theirs will go on for 3 or 4 hundred thousand. If they have their car long enough to prove that to me, come back in that amount of time and we'll see who's car is more immaculate and running well. Until you can show me that, spouting off about future events is retarded...

my dad has had hid 6 cylinder 2 wheel drive toyota pickup for 12 years now.....has 170k miles and only things wrong with it is spark plugs every once and awhile steering stabilizer and clutch is all hes pretty much replaced.......my 83 camaro had a 305 but it died my radiator hose broke...my carb messed up now around 3-4k rpm my engine stalls in 2nd gear and my 83 only has 120-130k miles.....i like domestic cars but there more for a sunday car instead of every day car thats why id buy a tocoma 4 wheel drive if i could afford one with my camaro

yo this thread used to be civilized - and has grown off topic. the topic is too large to beable to compair japanese cars and american cars. true a type r can dust focus, but a ws6 would take the r out for a walk but then summon the sti, ect ect. apples and oranges - it depends on what you are in the mood for.

I don't have a problem with import owners or people who like to hop up import cars. I have a problem with people who are deluted in thier thinking and statements.
I have respect for true import sports car SupraTT, STi, NSX, 3000GTVR4 but those are not econobox Civic Hatchbacks which probable makes up about 95% of that 50% of sales in America. Those cars also make up maybe 2% of Import stree racers. But I'd take an 03 Cobra over any of those cars and most of them the Cobra is cheaper.
So who cares what honda/Toyota does in IRL, F1, Cart. The days of Ford,Chevy, Mopar dumping big money into things like that have since passed. They really don't need to, that's what Trans-AM Racing in the late 60's was for.
Mileage and reliability... I love import owners that truly belive every car that is built is going to last 300,000, 400,000 miles whatever without any major problems. I have seen just as many blown engine 100,000+ mile imports as domestics.

hey therr buddy, i personly don't got a prob wit imports... i had an 89 lude for three years, never licenced but raced on the track lots. it was nice, great handling car... anyways, most of my friends n' the crew i roll wit have imports. but as long as its fast, looks good, and you got respect fo your car, i don't really care what ya drive!
peace buddy :thumbsup:

Why was Toyota the first with an electric/gas production hybrid?


LanevoMR,
How about this question?

Why would more women rather have a boyfriend that drives a Corvette instead of a Toyota Echo?

Ooops. This might conflict with your reasoning. Sorry.

LanevoMR,
How about this question?

Why would more women rather have a boyfriend that drives a Corvette instead of a Toyota Echo?

Ooops. This might conflict with your reasoning. Sorry.


hehehe :iceslolan ture true. Man I have a hard enough time getting a women to check out my car and like it. (Buick=no girls :frown: ) I'd really hate to see a guy with an Echo.

As for your john deere.... I think im crazy enough to take it down the track. :evillol: . Do you really have that stuff done to it?? that is wiked if you do

ok, im on the scene, and its time to clean up this bull shit

'my import can get to 200k+ miles on the engine and ur domestic will blow up after 3 miles'
TRUE i agree 100%
BUT
IT DEPENDS ON HOW U DRIVE THE CAR. if you drive ur honda civic the way its ment to be driven- @ or slightly above speed limit, not reving the engine hard, ect., then yeah, it could happen. there are plenty of ford and gm trucks that ppl own that can get 200k+ ez.

'but wait, thats the trucks, im talking about cars!'

hold on stupid- most people who drive trucks dont race down the street, most of the trucks are owned my men, so they take care of there trucks. any mustang, camero or what ever the fuck u wanna throw out there can get 200k+ on the engie.
peroid.

o yeah and this-

'toyota make a F1 car that has 2 ft-lb of torque @ 2 million rpms.'

ok, im sure they did
lets use lanevoMR's toyota, which 'make ONLY around 90 ft-lbs of peak torque around 16,000 rpm run the quarter mile in around 9 seconds and 0-60 in under 3 seconds'

are u sure?
u need to go here- http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question622.htm
u are stupid. the math dont work unless im fucking retarded and some how made it to precal by mistake.
torque*rpm/5252=horsepewer.
so
90*16,000/5252=274.2
274.2 horses
damn
i envy that car.
ok, on some dyno slips, u see that hp is on the rise when torque is decling, but damn.
but lets say that this engine can some how reve to 32k and lets say that its torque is 85
85*32000/5252=517.9 ~520 hp
holy hell.

if im wrong in any way, then let me know and send a link.
dont just say ur wrong, and ur dumb.
all in all, LOOK UR SHIT UP.
prove me worng and send a link. i not gonna take ur damn word for it.

i hope yall dont take that as a flame, but it pisses me off when ppl dont know what they talking about, and then they dont admit they are wrong.
if im wrong, tell me, prove it to me and ill say im sorry, my bad, ect.

i hope yall dont take that as a flame, but it pisses me off when ppl dont know what they talking about, and then they dont admit they are wrong.
if im wrong, tell me, prove it to me and ill say im sorry, my bad, ect.

I similarly cracked open my Texas Instruments ( TI 82 ) super geek calculator. Hmmm, 92 lb-ft of torque. That did seem like a ridiculously low number.

ok, im on the scene, and its time to clean up this bull shit

ok

'my import can get to 200k+ miles on the engine and ur domestic will blow up after 3 miles'

Bullshit. I've run my 281 harder than most people do in a car's lifetime and it still runs great.

TRUE i agree 100%
BUT
IT DEPENDS ON HOW U DRIVE THE CAR. if you drive ur honda civic the way its ment to be driven- @ or slightly above speed limit, not reving the engine hard, ect., then yeah, it could happen. there are plenty of ford and gm trucks that ppl own that can get 200k+ ez.

read above.

'but wait, thats the trucks, im talking about cars!'

hold on stupid- most people who drive trucks dont race down the street, most of the trucks are owned my men, so they take care of there trucks. any mustang, camero or what ever the fuck u wanna throw out there can get 200k+ on the engie.
peroid.

finally someone with sense.

...holla... this limiting shit sucks.

poisen ivey i disagree w/ u in the fact of how imports are drove. now this is my dad's truck v. my 83 camaro (which was my grandma's till this year,and she never drove it hard).........my dad's truck,ran hard for the 170k miles he has on it, he puts his foot in the floor alot of the time to get out of an intersection w/ no stopsign or light. now my camaro on the otherhand was always drivin below 3k rpm, remember this is a 70 year old lady now, the engine was the 305, my grandad changed oil regularly same as spark plugs etc. but my camaro's engine gave out at 110k miles, my dad toyota pickup has been drivin hard, even been hit from the rear several times (3-5 ez) and only problems that have cost a decent price on it has been a clutch and now his steering stabilizer is bad. thats the difference between foreign and usa made engine's.....only really reliable engine that would out last quite a few imports is the old ford inline 6 they put in there old trucks, the ones that had no power, put ur foot in the floor at a dead stop and u cant even spin 1 tire. thats 1 domestic engine that id love to have in a truck, but when it comes to cars there better off bieng a sunday car

You take any make car and look at the manufactured vehicles history, and you will find that every manufacture has vehicles last 200k+ miles, and some of their vehicles that last 15k miles. It goes both ways, with ANY company weather foreign or domestic.

Currently in my Possession;
94 G30 van, 350ci, 124k miles
93 Safari, 4.3L, 210k miles
89 Mustang, 2.3L, 128k miles
All have never had any major internal problems and still run great.

Past cars;
87 Mercury Lynx, 100k+ miles, body rusted out, motor ran great.
86 Cougar, 3.8L, 60k miles. Major internal problems
83 Regal, 2.8L, 88k miles. Motor seized
88 Astro, 4.3?, under 100K miles. Walked crankshaft.

some people have great luck with domestic vehicles, while others dont. my uncle has a mustang with 350k miles and it never had a major problem. but majority of the ones i see dont last much longer than 100k miles. glad u have had good luck i dont want any vehicle breaking down on any1

It all depends on how you treat the car.

I believe the basic problem here is that mustangs seem to be the bar of performance so that is what it is "cool" for imports to beat.

In reality you can get huge power gain with very little cash on a mustang. I dont hate imports, just the ones with the coffee can exhaust and the 2million stickers on their body kit. These guys always go flying thru traffic sitting so low in their seat that you cant see their head just trying to kill someone.

I do know that some are smart enough not to mess with a good mustang though, my buddies came up to a gathering of imports. They pulled up revving their engine as everyone gathered around. My friends couldnt get any of the imports to run, Just a 5.0 that supposedly had "$8,000" in it.

you are right an F1 doesn't make 90ft-lbs peak torque it's more like double that at around 19 k... apparently it was not possible for you to infer the point of the arguement, allow me to enlighten you.. engines don't need to make a lot of torque for a car to be fast.. ..furthermore.. car weight, balance, and area under the torque curve is more important than just having 500 ft-lbs at 2000 rpm. The point of that particular statement was to illustrate that a car with a 3.0 liter engine can be faster than one with a 8 liter engine when all factors are taken into consideration. Now that you've made yourself feel better about completely missing my point why don't you address the other 6 or 7 question i asked?

Why was Honda the first to incorporate variable valve timing and lift into a production engine?

Why was Honda the first to bring a hydrogen cell vehicle to the market?
Why was Honda the first to break the 100 hp/liter barrier in a mass produced production NA engine?

Why was Honda the first to make engines that meet LEV/ULEV/SULEV and zero emissions standards?

Why was Honda, a car manufacturer with less money than GM or Ford, able to beat both of them out 90% of the tops spots in CART racing and now in the IRL?

Why did Honda win several consecutive F1 championships back in the early 90's and why has an American F1 manufacturer won none?

Of course i expected some of the responses regarding F1 and CART but in it's defense, much of the demographic that comprises F1 viewership is an elite, well educated and successful group. Compare that to NASCAR fans comprised mostly of uneducated high school dropouts and you'll get the idea. F1 cars accelerate faster, both centripetally and linearly than NASCAR. F1 cars are vastly more sophisticated than NASCAR, and enjoy a tremendously more educated fan base. Much of the technology and innovations in today's passenger cars have come from F1 racing technologies. I bet if a rigorous study were done following scientific protocols one F1 fan would havemore brainpower than 10 NASCAR fans. Note, that was something of a joke.

In response to some anecdotal stories of domestic brands lasting longer than Japanese; I'm sure that's true in a small percentage of instances, but the fact remains.. for the past 10 years in the vast majority of cases, Japanese cars have been built better, last longer, and are more efficient than any domestic brand has been. This can be seen by the reports issued yearly by Consumer Reports and JD Powers. In fact Consumer Reports did a 3 year study and found that on average there were 10-12 problems per 100 vehicles for Toyota and Honda while there was an average of 20-22 problems per 100 vehicles on Ford and GM's. Don't let me forget to mention the NSX, that won in the GT2 class at Le Mans in 1995, over the corvettes which has engines that were over 2 times larger, furthermore taking JD Powers most reliable car award over a period of 5 years. No we are not talking about best in initial quality award(what's the point if it works great for the first few weeks then breaks down a year later?) To receive that kind of praise it takes precision engineering, meticulous attention to design and detail, and countless hours of research and development.

There's more to come

see BLU_CIVIC, this is what im talking about

I bet if a rigorous study were done following scientific protocols one F1 fan would havemore brainpower than 10 NASCAR fans. Note, that was something of a joke.

I'd have to agree with you on that point.

LaneVo your still a an idiot and you just don't get it. I could give 2 shits what a F1 car does.
Answer this question how much does a Honda Civic have to do with an F1 car as my Mustang has to do with John Force's Mustang Funny car.
The Answer not a fucking thing in hell!!!!!!!!


The title of this thread "Why do Mustang Guys hate Imports"
Look at your self in the mirror and you now know the answer to this thread so you don't need to post in it anymore.

los sez:
"Originally Posted by poison_ivey
ok, im on the scene, and its time to clean up this bull shit

ok

'my import can get to 200k+ miles on the engine and ur domestic will blow up after 3 miles'

Bullshit. I've run my 281 harder than most people do in a car's lifetime and it still runs great. "

it sounds like u disagreeing w/ me. ???


i was making a general quote on what some of these import ppl are saying. thats why its in quotation marks ' ' <-- that thing :smokin:

In response to lanevoMR, who was stating all the good aspects of Honda...

Do you know how Japanese car companies recieved the technology for the cars they build? Answer: America. In a simple and unindepth statement, we gave them our ideas and technology information as a form of apology for WWII. Indeed, they haved improved upon it. But their goals are different there than America. Most people dont understand it. Indeed, Hondas last longer than any Ford. But look at them. They look like crap. Like they fell from our atmosphere and right onto the assembly line. And, when someone buys a Mustang, Corvette, Viper, Camero, any american muscle car, they are going to drive it the way it needs to be driven. They are going to push it to its limits. The engines are built to last forever, but they are built for performance. Indeed, Japanese car companies do offer performance cars such as a 350 Z, Skyline, etc..., but its the classic American muscle sound we also want when we drive a car. So why do Mustang guys hate imports? Because they run their mouths about how great Japanese cars are. They are reliable, and they last forever, but who wants to drive a civic around for 15 years? Most Americans get a new car every 5. Mustangs just offer more bang for your buck than any honda.

Anyways, just my two cents.

The NSX is virtually a race car; hardly a road car. It's vtec doens't kick in until 6000 revs, 90 mph in third gear, imagine how fast you have to be in fourth to get any use out of it. Totally illegal for street driving; not to say that anyone who would buy a car like that keeps it under the limit - but 90 mph in second is above and beyond the rational individual on the average american street. Aside from it being a race car, your claim regards to 1995. What is that... eight years ago? and only one title? if we're gong back in time, suck on the ford gt.

The corevette is much more logical for a person who would would like a smidge of utility out of their performance automobile. with more luggage room then the nsx which can hold about a laptop in the storage compartment. The vette also comes with heritage and an uncalculatable level of more bang for the buck.

In responce to your worship of the imports and their eco friendly nature you need to look back a few posts to where that issue was commented on. Honda is a very eco friendly company - but at the same time they must adhear to extreme standards of the european nations as well as the regulations within their own countrys. American auto makers often completely redesign their vehicles for export. I respect the lev, ulev and sulev - but you need to realize that if american companys were required to meet these standards within ameraca (and i think they should) they would. Also it has to do with marketing - the same people who buy apple computers go for levs and hybrid cars; for no other reason then to save the world. More power to them, and to honda for catoring to that consumer - there are more and more of them and it's a great market.

Japanese auto makers are not great inovators we are, but they are stupenouse producers. Our enginering is geared twards invention - theirs to effieincy. It's more a cultural difference then anything, but it makes for facinating study of economics. Just look at the microchip industry.

you are right an F1 doesn't make 90ft-lbs peak torque it's more like double that at around 19 k... apparently it was not possible for you to infer the point of the arguement, allow me to enlighten you.. engines don't need to make a lot of torque for a car to be fast.. ..furthermore.. car weight, balance, and area under the torque curve is more important than just having 500 ft-lbs at 2000 rpm. The point of that particular statement was to illustrate that a car with a 3.0 liter engine can be faster than one with a 8 liter engine when all factors are taken into consideration. Now that you've made yourself feel better about completely missing my point why don't you address the other 6 or 7 question i asked?

Why was Honda the first to incorporate variable valve timing and lift into a production engine?

Why was Honda the first to bring a hydrogen cell vehicle to the market?
Why was Honda the first to break the 100 hp/liter barrier in a mass produced production NA engine?

Why was Honda the first to make engines that meet LEV/ULEV/SULEV and zero emissions standards?

Why was Honda, a car manufacturer with less money than GM or Ford, able to beat both of them out 90% of the tops spots in CART racing and now in the IRL?

Why did Honda win several consecutive F1 championships back in the early 90's and why has an American F1 manufacturer won none?

Of course i expected some of the responses regarding F1 and CART but in it's defense, much of the demographic that comprises F1 viewership is an elite, well educated and successful group. Compare that to NASCAR fans comprised mostly of uneducated high school dropouts and you'll get the idea. F1 cars accelerate faster, both centripetally and linearly than NASCAR. F1 cars are vastly more sophisticated than NASCAR, and enjoy a tremendously more educated fan base. Much of the technology and innovations in today's passenger cars have come from F1 racing technologies. I bet if a rigorous study were done following scientific protocols one F1 fan would havemore brainpower than 10 NASCAR fans. Note, that was something of a joke.

In response to some anecdotal stories of domestic brands lasting longer than Japanese; I'm sure that's true in a small percentage of instances, but the fact remains.. for the past 10 years in the vast majority of cases, Japanese cars have been built better, last longer, and are more efficient than any domestic brand has been. This can be seen by the reports issued yearly by Consumer Reports and JD Powers. In fact Consumer Reports did a 3 year study and found that on average there were 10-12 problems per 100 vehicles for Toyota and Honda while there was an average of 20-22 problems per 100 vehicles on Ford and GM's. Don't let me forget to mention the NSX, that won in the GT2 class at Le Mans in 1995, over the corvettes which has engines that were over 2 times larger, furthermore taking JD Powers most reliable car award over a period of 5 years. No we are not talking about best in initial quality award(what's the point if it works great for the first few weeks then breaks down a year later?) To receive that kind of praise it takes precision engineering, meticulous attention to design and detail, and countless hours of research and development.

There's more to come

Ok you jump around way to much, performance and all of these enviromentaly friendly facts don't mix at all.Performance and enviromental standards do not go together. Who cares if Honda makes a 100 hp per litre N/A engine. still is not winning too many races. That is in the type of car we are all talking about. The day that I can afford an F1 car ill give you a call. Honda makes a good engine, small engine,motorcycle,ect. I just don't beleve that Honda makes a good performance engine.