94 trans am vs 2001 mustang cobra

94 trans am a4 w/ flowmaster exhause vs stock 2001 mustang cobra stick shift. Who should win? i'm assuming the mustang right?

I would Imagine...

I would put my money on the Stang.
390hp with a manual tranny is deadly.

I would put my money on the Stang.
390hp with a manual tranny is deadly.



The 2001 Cobra wishes it had 390hp.

You're thinking of the 2003 Cobra. The 2001 Cobra only has like 65hp.


Kidding, they claim it has 320hp.

'01 Cobra
0-60: 4.8
1/4: 13.5

'94 Trans Am
0-60: 5.6
1/4: 14

Uh, blade, that's a 2001 Mustang... only 320hp, if you believe their advertising.

The T/A has a little more torque off the line, but the Mustang should still beat it to 60mph, and after that, the Mustang has more top end.

It's even enough that if the driver of the T/A is good, and the driver of the Mustang isn't, that the T/A could win.

I would put my money on the Stang.
390hp with a manual tranny is deadly.

You've confused the supercharged 2003 Cobra with a stock output of 390HP with a 2001 Cobra with 320 (after factory fix).

Either way, my money's on the Cobra, unless the guy can't drive, since the TA driver only has to keep his foot planted...

Well, i guess since three people have already told him. I might as well tell him too. It's a 2001 mustang, not the charged stang !!!! :)

What did ford have to do to make the advertised 320 hp for the 01 cobra's?

They HP mis rating was a case were the engine's intake had be designed and was dynoed at the HP. Then there was a post-design change which screwed up the intake manifolds alignment which caused airflow issues giving less HP. The fix was a simple intake swap to get the advertised 320.

Yea, my bad about the Hp ratings.
The SVT is the one with the 390.
Thanks for letting me know

what does the SVT run in the 1/4?

Which SVT Cobra?

2001 stick shift

2001 stick shift


I've already posted its times... but here they are again.

'01 Cobra
0-60: 4.8
1/4: 13.5

2001 stick shift

Cobras don't come with automatics from the factory, none of them do. They are all manuals

I've already posted its times... but here they are again.

'01 Cobra
0-60: 4.8
1/4: 13.5
The SVT makes 390 hp and only runs a 13.5? :eek7:

The SVT makes 390 hp and only runs a 13.5? :eek7:


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NOoooooooooo


You're still confusing the '03 SVT Cobra that has 390hp with the '01 SVT Cobra that has 320hp.



If you ask again, I'll be forced to ram a #2 pencil into your forehead.


Sorry, but it must be done.

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NOoooooooooo


You're still confusing the '03 SVT Cobra that has 390hp with the '01 SVT Cobra that has 320hp.



If you ask again, I'll be forced to ram a #2 pencil into your forehead.


Sorry, but it must be done.
Sorry it's been a long day. No need to ram a pencil in the forehead.

Sorry it's been a long day. No need to ram a pencil in the forehead.


Well, I'm sorry... but the painfull headache that this thread has given me is equal to that of somebody ramming a spoon up my ass and rotating it.

Well, I'm sorry... but the painfull headache that this thread has given me is equal to that of somebody ramming a spoon up my ass and rotating it.

So...you're basically saying that your head is up your ass?

Spoon + Ass = HEADache?

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So...you're basically saying that your head is up your ass?

Spoon + Ass = HEADache?





Yes Mr. Man... my head is up my ass. And from this angle, My Prostate looks mighty healthy.... brown... a bit stinky...but healthy!



Say... when did I have corn?:confused:

Yes Mr. Man... my head is up my ass. And from this angle, My Prostate looks mighty healthy.... brown... a bit stinky...but healthy!



Say... when did I have corn?:confused:
Too much information man... :disappoin

This thread... :( :headshake

You wanted an answer here it is... 01 Cobra will beat the Firechicken...
Heres a tad bit more info...
An 03 Cobra would slaughter a T/A
A 96-98 v an lt1 firechicken... slight edge for the Cobra but still a drivers race.
Now 99+ GT v an LT1 and its also a drivers race...

Off topic: I dont even understand why many people think the LT1s will beat the 99+ GT Mustangs... Its a drivers race and Ive already beaten one so far :confused:

i mustangs are quick, but they are by far the ugliest and cheapest made sports car in the world. i would rather buy a kia and race it then even ride in a mustang. but ya, the mustang would win.

i mustangs are quick, but they are by far the ugliest and cheapest made sports car in the world. i would rather buy a kia and race it then even ride in a mustang. but ya, the mustang would win.

Yes and all GM products are perfect blah, blah, blah. :loser:

i mustangs are quick, but they are by far the ugliest and cheapest made sports car in the world. i would rather buy a kia and race it then even ride in a mustang. but ya, the mustang would win.


Those are some big words from somebody who has the bastard child of Chevy Small blocks... :evillol:

Those are some big words from somebody who has the bastard child of Chevy Small blocks... :evillol:


No love for the 305's!!!! :lol:

No love for the 305's!!!! :lol:


Minimal!



Some people, will go to great lengths of hand porting out the heads and tricking it out with all sorts of bolt on goodies... but after all the hours and money spent. They just don't perform compared to the cheaper to build 350.

The 305 has a terrible bore/stroke ratio... man, just thinking about the 305 makes me want to go kick a puppy or a Nun... or a Nun walking a puppy.

Posted by GTStang They HP mis rating was a case were the engine's intake had be designed and was dynoed at the HP. Then there was a post-design change which screwed up the intake manifolds alignment which caused airflow issues giving less HP. The fix was a simple intake swap to get the advertised 320.

Thats for the most part is correct, but not fully. Port design changed didnt screw up the alingment. When the manifolds were cast fords quality control didnt catch the extra casting material and it caused a lip that caused misalingment. Ford dealers realized this and extryude honed the manifolds for free. Also .. when For redesigned the suspension they dropped it a little to much causing the rear tailpipes to hot have enuff ground clearance. Instead of rerouting or finding another solution... They pretty muched flatend them out causing alot of un needed back pressure. Point being they were no where close to 320 hp. Ohh and to the chevy 305 guy... he postes this in the caprice forums.. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=136993
Dunno why I posted it but I did.

The whole HP rating fiasco of the 01 Cobra is like myth. I have heard a million different things. I think your and mine are saying the same thing but the details differ. I don't know why the intake manifold ended up being fucked up, some have said what i said, some have said what u have, others have another reason bottom line is it was fucked,. I have never heard of the tail pipe story and having worked on new 01 Cobra's that have never been serviced before I never noticed it.

Yes and all GM products are perfect blah, blah, blah. :loser:

im not saying that, i just think mustangs are the shittiest sports casr ever created, the creater should be shot for calling that car a sports car

Minimal!



Some people, will go to great lengths of hand porting out the heads and tricking it out with all sorts of bolt on goodies... but after all the hours and money spent. They just don't perform compared to the cheaper to build 350.

The 305 has a terrible bore/stroke ratio... man, just thinking about the 305 makes me want to go kick a puppy or a Nun... or a Nun walking a puppy.

:werd: 17.8 from an 83 firebird trans am automatic up here in UT. :disappoin

im not saying that, i just think mustangs are the shittiest sports casr ever created, the creater should be shot for calling that car a sports car

What makes up a sports car in your skewed definition?

Just a correction gts and its me im correcting ... it was the model year 99 cobras that had those problems.... thats why there are no actuall production 00 cobras.. just the cobra r.. i was wrong you are right.. lol dohh.. someone of what i said was straight out of car and driver.. else is waht ive been told... Still the 99 cobra not 2001... 2001 was the year they made 320 hp.... like 262 at the wheels.. 15% driveline yada yada.... Yeah and for chevy 305... hmm... the worst sports car ever created?... what about gm's flop 4.9 turbo trans am.. had a pitiful what... like ... 140 hp? i cant remember exact specs... ... yeah... ok.. worts sports car ever.. haha... then why is it that it has probalby the biggest aftermarket in this country?,.... hmm.. hmm.. hmm.. think mcfly think.. ford did something half way right with the 87-93 fox bodies.... except that damned 90 hp 2.3......

ford did something half way right with the 87-93 fox bodies.... except that damned 90 hp 2.3......
Hey, I got one of them. And it's 88 HP, get it right!
I take pride in running with mopeds.:iceslolan

im not saying that, i just think mustangs are the shittiest sports casr ever created, the creater should be shot for calling that car a sports car

Dude, you own a 305 Chebby :rofl:

What youre saying is the equivalent of a Hyundai owner calling Honda crap :lol:

why do people dog on the 305? i thinkit is a really good engine, abviously not comparible to the 350, but it still runs nice. I really dont give a shit if i have everyone's exceptance on it, and mustangs are shit of course they are they are ford. i dont hate ford because ima chevy owner either, a few years ago i didnt care. then i bought own and so did my mom, HUGE mistake. within the first month of owning the taurus it the alinator went out. not too long later it needed a new water pump. and many more if you would really like tyo know them ALL pm me. Mustangs are wanna be sports cars b/c they look like shit, a fuckin geo metro looks better. EXCEPT the older mustangs like in the area of the late 60's, they looked nice.

Uhh.... People dog on the Chevy 305 because it's a piece of shit. What do you mean by it running nice? Like it being able to fire up and move a car??? hahahaha.... The 305 is waayyy too inefficient for how big it is. No power stock, and definitely is not even a decent engine untill you put big ass amounts of green into it. And with all that money that you spend on the piece of shit 305, you can pour hte same amount into a Geo Metro and smoke the shit out of the Chevy.


Oh ya.. did you buy your Taurus used? Or brand new?


And Mustangs are wannabe sports cars??? What the do you mean by sports car?

Mustangs are wanna be sports cars b/c they look like shit, a fuckin geo metro looks better.


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Yep, I could see why you would like the looks of the GEO better considering their Storm looks like a Camaro :lol2:

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and just for kicks

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Yep, I could see why you would like the looks of the GEO better considering their Storm looks like a Camaro

Um no and the Concorde copied the head lights from the Camaro. Aren't we talking about Trans Ams anyway.

The 305 are such bad engines that in 1989 a 305 TPI 5 speed put out 230hp@4600RPM and 300tq@3200RPM. Isn't that the same or better than a 5.0.

The LT1 is better stock than a 5.0 at the same time and the LS1 is better than a 4.6 DOHC.

The bore and stroke is bad for the 305 compared to the 302 but stock they weren't as bad as people make them seem. For the bang for the buck a 350 is almost better than any other engine.(insert comments about turboed 240 or better yet the hp per liter comparsions for those with 4 bangers)

Um no

Uhmm yes :disappoin

and the Concorde copied the head lights from the Camaro.

:screwy:
Does it really make a difference? They both look like catfishes :lol:

Aren't we talking about Trans Ams anyway.

Your point?


The 305 are such bad engines that in 1989 a 305 TPI 5 speed put out 230hp@4600RPM and 300tq@3200RPM. Isn't that the same or better than a 5.0.

And how many 5.0s do you see getting their ass handed to them by the 305s?

The LT1 is better stock than a 5.0 at the same time and the LS1 is better than a 4.6 DOHC.

Uhmm no. The LS1 is not better than the 4.6 DOHC. Just look at the Mach 1 and hell look at the 03 Cobra.

The 03 Cobra is supercharged how is this a comparsions to a 02 LS1?????

The Mach 1 stats are 305 hp and 320 torque and runs 13.5.

LS1 stats are 320hp,most say it is underated and true hp is 350 since dyno runs put out 300hp at the rear and 315 tq rear, 320flytq and run 13.0-13.4. Underated so it didn't make the Corvette look bad.

You are so in love with Ponys that they fog your vision of any other American sports car. :screwy: :screwy:

The 03 Cobra is supercharged how is this a comparsions to a 02 LS1?????

The Mach 1 stats are 305 hp and 320 torque and runs 13.5.

LS1 stats are 320hp,most say it is underated and true hp is 350 since dyno runs put out 300hp at the rear and 315 tq rear, 320flytq and run 13.0-13.4. Underated so it didn't make the Corvette look bad.

You are so in love with Ponys that they fog your vision of any other American sports car. :screwy: :screwy:


Because the Cobra has a S/C it's unfair but the LT1 and LS1 having more cubes doesn't matter right? Ohhhh of course not that doesn't matter at all.

Ahem, I'd like to take this oppurtunity to remind EVERYONE that a ponycar is not a sportscar. They're damn fine ways to go fast and are still great performance bargains, but are not sportscars.

Here is the list of purely American sports cars.

Stutz Bearcat
Mercer Raceabout
Duesenberg SSJ roadster
Kaiser Darrin
Cunningham C2R
Scarab
Chevrolet Corvette
1955-1957 Ford Thunderbird
1968-1970 AMC AMX
Bricklin SV-1 (technically Canadian, but used all AMC components)
Pontiac Fiero
Dodge Viper
Panoz Esperante
Panoz AIV roadster
Saleen S7
Mosler MT900

Using the most liberal application of the term (small, two-seat, performance oriented automobile) these are all of the cars that qualify off of the top of my head. Conspicuous in their absence to most of you, I'm sure, are the Shelby Cobra and the Ford GT40. Due to heavy British involvement in these projects (a dolled up AC Ace and an ex-Lola project) they fail to meet the American standard.

Now you may continue to debate ponycar merits.

Because the Cobra has a S/C it's unfair but the LT1 and LS1 having more cubes doesn't matter right? Ohhhh of course not that doesn't matter at all.
Comparing a supercharged Cobra to a LS1 is like comparing a LS6 Corvette to a Mustang GT.

Unlike the persons quote above mine I do believe a Mustang is a sports car as long as it has a V8

The 03 Cobra is supercharged how is this a comparsions to a 02 LS1?????

The Mach 1 stats are 305 hp and 320 torque and runs 13.5.

LS1 stats are 320hp,most say it is underated and true hp is 350 since dyno runs put out 300hp at the rear and 315 tq rear, 320flytq and run 13.0-13.4. Underated so it didn't make the Corvette look bad.

You are so in love with Ponys that they fog your vision of any other American sports car. :screwy: :screwy:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, First dont ASSume things about me. :lol:

Oh the LS1s are underrated? WHAT!!! :eek: YOU DONT SAY!!!!! [note sarcasm :rolleyes:] I dont need you to teach me things about the LS1s... I know plenty as it is already. ;)

Also, youre a bit wrong about the Mach 1. Incase you didnt know, the Mach 1 is also underrated. Yep, Chebby wasnt the only one to underrate their cars. The Mach 1 puts down around 270-280+ to the wheels putting the real hp output to 320-330hp. That matched up with a straight axle and a suspension set up for racing makes it more than enough to beat the Ls1s.
Dont magazine race. Ive seen plenty of Mach 1s beat LS1s at the track and on the streets proving Ford doesnt need a Supercharger to beat the "Almighty LS1" :smooch:

proving Ford doesnt need a Supercharger to beat the "Almighty LS1" :smooch:


Nah man.. I heard different.. Fords can never beat LS1's, and only other LS1 or LS6 powered cars can. Dude.. even check GTStang's sig. He konws too, he works at a performance shop and has a fast ass freaking Stang. So the Mach 1 goes down!

Ahem, I'd like to take this oppurtunity to remind EVERYONE that a ponycar is not a sportscar. They're damn fine ways to go fast and are still great performance bargains, but are not sportscars.

Here is the list of purely American sports cars.

Stutz Bearcat
Mercer Raceabout
Duesenberg SSJ roadster
Kaiser Darrin
Cunningham C2R
Scarab
Chevrolet Corvette
1955-1957 Ford Thunderbird
1968-1970 AMC AMX
Bricklin SV-1 (technically Canadian, but used all AMC components)
Pontiac Fiero
Dodge Viper
Panoz Esperante
Panoz AIV roadster
Saleen S7
Mosler MT900

Using the most liberal application of the term (small, two-seat, performance oriented automobile) these are all of the cars that qualify off of the top of my head. Conspicuous in their absence to most of you, I'm sure, are the Shelby Cobra and the Ford GT40. Due to heavy British involvement in these projects (a dolled up AC Ace and an ex-Lola project) they fail to meet the American standard.

Now you may continue to debate ponycar merits.

I agree with you totalling. If you look a few posts back that is why I asked what his skewed definition of a sports car is. A mustang is not a Muscle car either by definition either.

The 03 Cobra is supercharged how is this a comparsions to a 02 LS1?????

The Mach 1 stats are 305 hp and 320 torque and runs 13.5.

LS1 stats are 320hp,most say it is underated and true hp is 350 since dyno runs put out 300hp at the rear and 315 tq rear, 320flytq and run 13.0-13.4. Underated so it didn't make the Corvette look bad.

You are so in love with Ponys that they fog your vision of any other American sports car. :screwy: :screwy:
Actually those times for the Mach 1 are incorrect! In the august issue of 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords, there was a track test with a stock 03 Mach 1. They actually pulled off 13.19 at 106.7 mph on Goodyear Eagle Street tires. I'm will to bet the Mach can dip into the 12's with some slicks and an aggressive style launch! Yeah the 305hp is definitely under rated!

Nah man.. I heard different.. Fords can never beat LS1's, and only other LS1 or LS6 powered cars can. Dude.. even check GTStang's sig. He konws too, he works at a performance shop and has a fast ass freaking Stang. So the Mach 1 goes down!

I didn't say a Mach 1 will never beat a LS1 but most of the time the LS1 will win.

I didn't say a Mach 1 will never beat a LS1 but most of the time the LS1 will win.


Ahh.. ya.. that post that you quoted was just a sarcatsic one.. haha...




Lets just call Mustangs and F-bodies Pony cars and end this whole sports car garble.

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