Z06 vs...

The 2002 Corvette Z06 has 385 HP and 385 lb-ft of torque. All this for around 48K. What about the regular corvette coupe? How much HP, how much torque, and is it worth is to fork over 8K more for better breaks, bigger tires, and some dieting. Lemme know what you guys think.

Z06 is the best corvette ever.

I'm interested in the performance differences between the Z06 and the Vette that costs 8K less.

The 2002 Z06 has 405hp and 400lb-ft of torque. Because it doesnt have a t-roof, it is very stiff. It has bigger brakes, a better suspension, weighs about 100lbs less than a coupe, and is about .6 seconds faster to 60 (0-60 is in 3.9 seconds, lamborghini territory :D )

It is also much faster around the road course. It is easily worth the extra money. If you dont need a t-top, then get the Z06.

Any questions?

Chris pretty much got it....0-60 in 3.9, 1/4 mile in around 12.3, top speed of 172mph, 1 G of lateral accel, 60-0 in 105 ft...the list goes on:) Its really an amazing car...I've driven both a normal C5 and a Z06, and you could really feel the difference...the Z06 iis pure performance, while the coupe and convertible are more GT cars. I would say the Z06 is definetly worth it:)

Z06 is nice yo.

The ZO6 is roughly the same price (give or take a few hundred) as the Corvette Convertible.

I've had the chance to drive a '02 ZO6 and lemme tell ya, they are AMAZING!
I personally saw a 2002 ZO6 run a 12.9@113.
The 60' was horrible and the car had no traction, but I think with a prepped track, the car is an EASY 12.2-12.3 car. If not lower.

i've seen a stock 02 Z06 run a 12.2 before:flash:

12.2 is devilishly fast.

yeah, well into Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini territory:D

performance wise, but not interior wise (which is depressing for the caliber of its performance)

Yeah, they really should have a better interior, or at least make an Audi interior a $4000 option.

0-60 in 3.9 where did u get that from ZO6 goes from 0-60 in 4.4 secs it doesnt even hit the below 4 secs even for 2002

I have seen one do 3.9 0-60, timed by a G-Tech. Magazines have tested it (well, Car and Driver did 4 flat, and they admitted it could be done faster by the Chevrolet test driver John Heinricy, because he does clutchless up shifts). Also, check the Chevrolet website. Even 2001s did below 4.4, most were near 4.2.

Those of you bitching about the ZO6's interior, have you ever SAT in an actual ZO6?
The cars not about LUXURY. It's about PERFORMANCE!
Thats why Chevy made EVERYTHING as light as humanly possible, only offered it in a hardtop model and even neglected to put in the Vette's patented HID system (for the 01 model only, 02 gets it)....
It's not about luxury. Just like the old 427 Vettes of the past, its about going out and being able to beat JUST ABOUT any other car on the road...
And in my opinion, the interior is damn nice for a car like that...

Just my .02

When the car weighs 3100 lbs, it isnt light. It could be better (although it is quite good, when a 911 Turbo weighs 3400!). I am mostly concerned with all the plastics in it. Replace it with some aluminum!

Just like the old 427 Vettes of the past

...wish they would present a new model with a big block in it...
Can you imagine the power of big block fused with today's technology?

Originally posted by Pikachoo


...wish they would present a new model with a big block in it...
Can you imagine the power of big block fused with today's technology?

Viper:)...


I would love to see a BB vette though...especially if it had th numbers Lingenfelter's 427 does:hehe:

Lingenfelters 427 is also a turbo car.
I would like to see GM go with a 6.0ish DOHC engine.

he actually did three versions...a TT, an NA 427, and an NA 427TT:hehe:

Does anyone have stats on the 427 TT? If not, I will need to email them and ask again (I did in september, and they were 2 weeks away from completing their first one)

go here (http://www.lingenfelter.com/main/videos.htm) there is a video of a 1/4 mile run...its a 427TT hardtop (not Z06). It flew...a 9.76:eek: Thats faster than a Hennessey Viper 800TT:hehe:

also, check their "packages" link. they have timeslips there...lowest is a 9.5 on street tires:eek: Stats are 725bhp and 650ft-lbs torque...a 50K dollar package.

i was impressed w/ the Z06....i raced a white on on the highway not too long ago and it did hang w/ me, i started to pull away around middle of 4th gear.

Originally posted by Blackbird01
Those of you bitching about the ZO6's interior, have you ever SAT in an actual ZO6?
The cars not about LUXURY. It's about PERFORMANCE!
Thats why Chevy made EVERYTHING as light as humanly possible, only offered it in a hardtop model and even neglected to put in the Vette's patented HID system (for the 01 model only, 02 gets it)....
It's not about luxury. Just like the old 427 Vettes of the past, its about going out and being able to beat JUST ABOUT any other car on the road...
And in my opinion, the interior is damn nice for a car like that...

Just my .02
I have ..the interior is not great..it is very average. Which, to me is fine considering that the car only costs 50k and runs with cars that cost over 100k. Obviously the interior wasn't what they spent all their money on. The money was spent on suspension, engine and body design...where it should be spent. As far as chevy making "everything" as light as possible..where have you been for the last 10 years?? :D The Z06 is not a carbon fiber moncoque or an aluminum space frame, and it has leather seats which are heavy...it also is a fairly large car with big trunk...not exactly a way to make your car light. The Z06 is fine compromise of enough luxury and amazing performance for a good price, but don't kid yourself it isn't a race car the likes of a lotus elise which is tiny, light (1900lbs), and with no amenitites...which is fine with me cuz i would like to use my Z06 as a daily driver.

Good to have you back, Z06 Lover. If you want your name changed, just ask igor.

does anyone have some links to aftermarket interior stuff for the Vette? I would really love to see whats out there.

thanks

www.CorvetteForum.com

There's a section of companies that offer aftermarket stuff for the all generations of Vette.
Also, most F-Body shops will work on Vettes (same cars for the most part)

I say a firebird recently which had nice body-colour metal instead of plastic. It was a huge improvement.

check out this 65 stingray 350 bored out 355 twin turbo, i dont know the stats but im pretty sure it can crank out atleast 500-600 bhp!

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By the way, the 2002 ZO6 has 405 hp and 400 ft.lbs. torque.

I think the latest generation of vettes are closer to 'real' sports car status than they have been in yrsss!!!!!

I saw my first Z06 at the mall between the holidays, OMG, the car is sweet. For the money, it really is a good buy I suppose. But ya gotta ask urself, doesnt it cost AS MUCH money to make an ugly interior as it wld a tasteful one? The problem here is Chevy wont step up to the plate and get off their high horse by straying from the GM way of things and do what the rest of the top world builders HAVE BEEN making. Plain and simple make a NICE sports car inside & out! Get rid of the old geezers who's interior design team (probably) runs from the Cavalier to the Z06.

I just recently purchased a used RX7, you gotta hand it to Mazda, they went out to make a true sports car in every sense of the word and thats exactly what rolled off the assembly line.
2800#
double wishbone suspension
TT Rotary making 255HP in stock form
0-60 in 4.9-5.5 sec
1/4 in mid 13's
Altho the interior is not the best, atleast they had the sense in goin the classy route w/ chrome ringed gauges here n there and kept the electronic wizardry on their luxury cars.

Still a nice car in my opinion.

I'm not sure what your problem is with the interior. I find it very intuitive, and very comfortable. Materials are of good quality, and fit is very good. What specifically do you see as bad?

BlkZO6, I agree.
I think that American cars have a bad reputation when it comes to interior styling.
The ZO6 has a lot of nice features, including it's HUD system, soft leather interior and unique gauges.
I love the car.

Blackbird...I just get a little tired of people who can't attack the car any other way, try on interior. I really would like to know what specifically is the problem, because in all honesty, I find the vette interior far superior to the M3. I've tried both, and that's my opinion. As far as the Viper, same thing applies. Faster car stock, but the living conditions are worse. The bimmer is a slower car stock, and the living conditions are worse. Of course, I'm not accusing anyone on this board of attacking the ZO6:)

Originally posted by BlkZO6
Of course, I'm not accusing anyone on this board of attacking the ZO6:)

Oh noooo not at all.:D

Listen I dont think the car is that bad at all, a matter a fact I did mention I just about drooled over the thing. Call me crazy but when I think of sports cars I think of mostly the exotics i.e. Ferrari, Lambo, Bugatti, Porsche, Lotus and such. In the past 40 yrs these cars basically set the standards of how a sports car shld look,drive and feel........do we agree on that or no? Even at birth our very own exotics like the Shelby Cobra shared some detail when compared to the Euro exotics.

To me, the vette like the late 80's 300Z was forming into more of a touring car than the sports car it was supposed to be. A true sports car shld be lightweight, powerful and fairly simple. Its not just about straight line performance like American builders have thought for so many damn yrs. I think the majority of sport car fanatics want somethng that can handle that turn at the end of a long straight.

Again I dont think the interior is that bad, its far better than it has been prior to this latest generation. But to me it just doesnt have the typical authentic sports car features. IMO, dash lay out can make or break the interior. Altho that whole indigo look must be neat at night huh? :)

Corvettes tend to be a bit larger than traditional sports cars. That's true. But that's because that is what the buyers want. I've owned my share of true sports cars like MGBs and MG Midgets and even a TR6. Miatas and Audi TTs and such are the ones that compare to that. As I get older, I like a little comfort with the spice. That's, to me, the biggest drawback to a Viper, and why I haven't bought one yet. I still may, though.

I don't really want a car I can't take on the occasional road trip with my wife. That's why I feel the Corvette is better for me than either Viper or Porsche. But remember...it only competes with the exotics on performance, not on expensive detail. If it did, it would also compete with them on price. You can't have everything.

I suppose I could buy an exotic, but mostly they are too small and too undependable. I'd hate to break down with a Ferrari in the middle of nowhere...where would you get it fixed? And they do break down frequently, and expensively. That's the quality I'm looking for...not extremely expensive leather or carbon fibre upholstery. The first scheduled maintenance on a Ferrari is about $7000.00. It's a bit ridiculous. I did look at an XKR, but in the end, didn't like it enough.


By the way, AC Cobras hardly had what you would call a nice interior.:)

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Ok, I circled some problems.

didn't work, I'll try again tommorrow. I basically circled some of the things that need fixing.

Originally posted by Chris
didn't work, I'll try again tommorrow. I basically circled some of the things that need fixing.

I don't suppose you'ld care to say what you're talking about?:)

First Pic: Audi TT interior
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/638028AG2.jpg

Corvette Z06 interior:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/629557Dash-med.jpg

Green Circleeh vette whell, though leather covered, looks plastyicky and down-market, like a wheel for a 20000 car. The TT wheel looks very simple, yet elegant, and it begs to be gripped and used hard.
Yellow Circle: The air vents. The Vettes cyclops eye does nothing for me, and is very plasticky. It looks like it belongs on a cavalier. The TT has nice aluminum ones, that look designed, not just placed there.
Blue Circle: The radio/HVAC/misc. controls. The corvettes look suspiciously like a GM trucks controls. Plastic is the dominant design here, with everything looking incredibly cheap. The TT hides most of it with a swanky aluminum plate. What is exposed (and what is hidden), are artfully crafted, balanced, easy to use, controls.
Black circle: The corvette has a functional, easy to use and nice feeling gearshift. It looks so black and uninteresting, much like a cavaliers. The TT has a delightful stubby little shifter, with aluminum gracing it wherever the eye cares to wander. It is in a little circle of aluminum, pronouncing it to be important. It looks so classy.

the radio does look a bit like the one from the silverado, though, and I guess it would be easy enough to cover it with a 5$ aluminum panel...same goes with the vents and a few other things. personally, I could care less about the interior trim in sports cars, but whatever floats your boat:)

Originally posted by Chris
First Pic: Audi TT interior
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/638028AG2.jpg

Corvette Z06 interior:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/629557Dash-med.jpg

Green Circleeh vette whell, though leather covered, looks plastyicky and down-market, like a wheel for a 20000 car. The TT wheel looks very simple, yet elegant, and it begs to be gripped and used hard.
Yellow Circle: The air vents. The Vettes cyclops eye does nothing for me, and is very plasticky. It looks like it belongs on a cavalier. The TT has nice aluminum ones, that look designed, not just placed there.
Blue Circle: The radio/HVAC/misc. controls. The corvettes look suspiciously like a GM trucks controls. Plastic is the dominant design here, with everything looking incredibly cheap. The TT hides most of it with a swanky aluminum plate. What is exposed (and what is hidden), are artfully crafted, balanced, easy to use, controls.
Black circle: The corvette has a functional, easy to use and nice feeling gearshift. It looks so black and uninteresting, much like a cavaliers. The TT has a delightful stubby little shifter, with aluminum gracing it wherever the eye cares to wander. It is in a little circle of aluminum, pronouncing it to be important. It looks so classy.


you have got to be kidding me?? if you wanna pay a bunch of money for an interior...be my guest. I would rather have 405HP, 0-60 in 4.0, 1/4 in right around 12.0 secs, and an auto-x/track monster then some yuppie mobile any day. Audi TT vs Z06....that is a new one!! :)

first of all i would like to admit that you did a good job definding your case, most people argue with opinions on this site atleast you put facts up. second it looks to me like i would rather grab that vette steering wheel. And what about those audi seats they look like a diper from mommas land or something, and the dash sorry to say looks kinda blank and boring. and those medal peddles even though they look cool, but can you imagine trying to shift when your feet are wet oops! But thats just my opinion, i speak for myself no one else!

I agree oit can all be fixed, but I want it good from the factory. The rest of the car is so phenomenol (the TT sucks performance wise, and I really don't like it. It was for comparison purposes only)
The Audi seats do suck, the vette seats are nice. I'm willing to be that to make the interior nice and classy, it would cost maybe 1-2 grand when done at the factory. And I would be willing to pay that, especially since you spend so much time in the cockpit.

And look closely, the vette has drilled metal pedals also.

my car has drilled metal pedals also. But, mine comes with rubber stoppers through each hole. The grip my feet very well. I would hope that all other cars would have this too. The WRX is the same way.

I love the Vette's seats! They are really comfortable. The rest of the Vettes interior does look a bit cheap. It is easy to fix with a few aftermarket parts, but I do wish Chevy would do it in the factory. It is like buiding a multi-million dollar home and then going to the thrift store to furnish it ( ok so thats a little overboard), but you know what I mean.

The performance is not a question at all, I am just looking at it from point of view of a designer. I am also not suggesting that you choose a car based on its interior. However, there are an awful lot of people that work very hard to design the interiors of automobiles and some are better than others. Chevy is on the lower end of the scale. If you look at the old Vettes they had interiors that matched what the rest of the world was doing and even out did them in some ways. It should be that way again. All of that being said I am going to buy one anyway.

1) Interesting comparison. I guess it boils down to personal taste. The steering wheel comparison doesn't work for me. The wheel in my car does the job, and I like the looks better than the TT. I also like the look of the dash in the Vette much better. The gauges are easier to read. The same BOSE radio is available in most high end GM products. The HVAC...whatever. The TT has a boring layout, in my opinion. The only two things I don't like about the Vettes interior are the shifter(for mechanical reasons- should be shorter) and the ashtray setup. I just don't like the way it looks. As far as if it's functional...I doubt it, but I'm not in a position to know:)


2) To further the discussion, any idea how much a TT costs?

The top end 225 hp TT coupe has a base price of $36,100. So it is no comparison to Vette performance wise.

It's kind of hard to compare a TT to a ZO6...maybe it's a bit less difficult to use a Vette coupe. BAse price 41,855, for a difference of 5,755. Any thoughts on how much Audi would charge to bring the performance up to that level and offer the same warranty? Performance meaning all aspects. And how much it would cost someone in the aftermarket isn't really relevant.

I know neither you nor I can answer the question, but I'm pointing out the cars don't really compete at anything. You may prefer the interior of the Audi, but the reason for buying the car isn't the same. On your logic, Vipers must be a terrible buy, as their interiors aren't as nice as a Corvette's.:D

I would much rather have a vette too (actually, would never consider a TT), but I used the TT because it is a very good interior in many ways, and it is alot cheaper, so the same level of craftsmenship (and model-specific trim) should be in the vette.

The TT engine can be brought up to about 350hp and be reliable. You can get a 500hp VR6 in there (A BC company does it). This costs a lot of money, though. And for that money, you could have a Lingenfelter vette.

I'm not trying to flame here, in case you believe I am, but my point is all cars are a compromise of one kind or another. Corvettes are no different that way. Could they put a more plush, or more "European" interior in their cars? Certainly. But that is not what the car is about. Many German cars are about that sort of thing. But you pay the price for it. Performance-wise, a ZO6 keeps up to or passes pretty much any Porsche. But the details aren't quite so nice aesthetically. Could GM match that for an extra 40-50K per car? Yes. Would they have a market? Probably not. They put the money where they feel they will get the most sales.


If you want performance/detail from GM, I think you will like the upcoming Cadillac XLR. It will be sharing a platform with the C6 Vette. But the car will probably cost in the 100-120K range. That is what it would cost to make the Corvette that fancy as well. GM realizes it won't sell many Vettes at that price.

Actually, I should have addressed your points. What I said in my other post was how much it would cost if AUDI improved the performance by that much. Warranties are a beggar on high performance cars. Most are driven fairly hard.:) Aftermarket doesn't exactly have the same rquirements for warranties.

Try a Viper. I think that is what they were getting at. Nothing like a Chevy V8 though. Chevy is catching up to the Viper to in performance numbers (500 hp, 500 lb-ft to 400,405) with a smaller engine. If only they (Chevy) increased displacement. Wonder if the new Hemi to be used in the Dodge Ram will be used in any future Vipers?

hey evryone, im new here but i do have knowledge of cars so im gonna post a reply. In my opinion, the corvette wins the contest by far. you get a car that competes with anything out there but you dont pay as much as the other ppl would. as for the interior, come on now, if your gonna buy a vette, yur gonna buy it for the power and not the interior that it lacks, if it does, i think its nice but oh well. vettes arent made for interiors or creature comfort, they're for RAW POWER. if you want creature comforts, get a caddy or somethin. if you want power, vettes are awesome.


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Ride in a new vette for 4 hours on the highway, then do the same in a viper. I guarantee that will make a vette lover out of a viper enthusiast. A viper is an impressive car from the performance aspect. The vette is a much more well-rounded car in performance, and comfort. It was engineered to be hot-rodded and driven. Vipers are a hot rod. They are not a road trip car.

Engineers are going to try and produce a vehicle that applies to their existing market and will change to their expectations. It is important to look at the market that a vehicle is in before comparing. After all, it is about business and how many you can sell.

Originally posted by holley
hey evryone, im new here but i do have knowledge of cars so im gonna post a reply. In my opinion, the corvette wins the contest by far. you get a car that competes with anything out there but you dont pay as much as the other ppl would. as for the interior, come on now, if your gonna buy a vette, yur gonna buy it for the power and not the interior that it lacks, if it does, i think its nice but oh well. vettes arent made for interiors or creature comfort, they're for RAW POWER. if you want creature comforts, get a caddy or somethin. if you want power, vettes are awesome.


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I MUCH prefer the Vette:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: I was just pointing out that it wouldn't take much for GM to make the interior look alot better. Aluminum isn't THAT pricey. At least lose the truck radio and cheap-looking plastic. BUT I STILL LOVE IT!!!!! :flash:

On Vettes vs. Vipers...your right about the road manners on a long haul, the Vette will be kinder to you. Now I do not have the bucks for either but my father (the old fart) had a 01 Zo6 and now has a new 01 GTS coupe. I had a buddy with the Audi, and I have a good buddy with a 911 Turbo. Myself new car wise, I have a Bullitt (yeah, it don't really belong in the group but anyhow).

The Zo6 was a good car. Not easy to get in and out of, but not the terror the Viper is to do so. The drive train was rock solid on that car and it ran great. I do the Zaino thing on my old mans rides and I have to say once again that Chevy kills ford and most other companies on drive train (esp. in the V8 since) but the fit and finish was crap. The paint was horrid on that car, thin spots and runs. I have looked at alot of F bodies and Vettes and GM is so hit and miss on paint it is not even funny, usally they just stink. I hated how busy the dash was, but some people do love the jet fighter thing. I really liked the car overall, but it was not perfect. Leather seemed good, not like the 911 but tons better than the Ford. Call me crazy, but I think I could have taken the 911 in the Z06, esp. if I was driving both...I could not get a real handle on the 911 and they guy that owns it would be an easy kill. I would go with the Viper over all of them in this respect. In the turns, I am not the guy to ask.

The TT is a hunk of crap. Im sorry fans of the car, but my buddies has been a nightmare. In fact, that guy that runs around with the "myaudiTTsucks.com" or whatever it was got his at the same dealership. Great fit in finish, horrid mechanical and electrical. I would not even consider the beast. I know my Bullitt will take it.

The Viper. It is all business. Long trips would be tuff, hard to get in and out of, but the fit and finish is really good on the car. Now I realize its almost handmade, but its nice. I like the simple inside also. Runs like a bat out of hell. If I had the money that is what I would get.

The 911. Revs so quick I sucked at driving it. Great fit and finish, solid runner, for me hard to drive (maybe I just stink). I found it kind of boring to drive, but I can understand why people love them. I like the simple inside and awsome leather also, just not crazy about that turbo...but I am an old school V8 guy, so I must admit a bias. Paint was very very good. Would be the better choice for travel driving for most over the Vette and Viper.

The Bullitt. Great style, good fit and finish, mechanical crap. I have the so called death rattle/tick followers of Ford will know off. Great paint, horrid leather on the seats, and my headlights need to be replaced due to the spotting that was a problem in 01. Love the car and hate it at the same time. I have been burnt by Ford in the past, if this car tanks or gets worse they have lost me forever. My F bodies rattled like crazy brand new, but I never had a mechanical or engine problem. Ford, well lets just say 99 Cobra and death rattle and leave it at that. Good performer, many owners think they have a Cobra killer or F body beater, no way. I think the TT would get wiped by it, the other would kill it big time. The new 390 hp Cobra adds a new element to the Ford story, but I wonder how well they will hold up long term (they are killer looking though), and it will be interesting to see the GT40.

Now remember, if I could only have one car it would be my 1950 merc kustom or my 32 (hard hard choice)...but I would go old school over any new car. But I love cars in general...and to me the Viper wins this.

But since this is a Zo6 thread, I will say I would take one if I could buy one...if I could go the next step it would be the Viper...but the Zo6 is a fine fine machine.

Is that any help on the subject?