good car?

im thinking about getting a hyundai tiberon as my first car and was wondering if it would be worth the money to put mods on it to race. i picked the tib because im only 16 and a little short on cash, but i also that for a little cash u can get its hp up pretty high(500s i think) is this true???if its not, whats the best car i can get for under $20k? :dunno: :worshippy

it depends on what year tiburon you want. and also trust me its not cheap to get any 4 cylinder to get 500hp. 500 is alot of power even to v8 guys. and for cars our size, its insane. even for a car that is already turboed from the factory to hit 500 hp is not cheap. for those cars you would need to upgrade to a bigger turbo which will cost a few thousand. and since you got no turbo to start with to make the car handle 500hp you need to strenghten your bottom end which will cost around 2500. then you need to get a big turbo that can make 500 hp which is usually a T66 or a T04R. anyways thats another 4000-5000 for the kit. then you need fuel systems. which is another 500 atleast. the fuel system includes fuel pump, larger injectors, retuning of larger injectors. custom fuel rail, adjustable fuel pressure regulator. now you need to run a either a retuned ecu or a stand alone because your air flow meters would be maxed out at like 250hp so you need to use a larger air flow meter from antoehr car. the air flow meter alone will run you a few hundred bucks. plus it won't plug right into your car. that is why i said you need to get yoru ecu retuned to use that meter. then finally if you run standlone you need to dyno tune it. to tune usually is around 500bucks. so total your looking at atleast 10K. and that is if you know what your doin.

this one dude i know has a 400hp sentra, spent about 12000 including cost of the car. and i think that's because his dad is owner at nissan and he gets free labor.

another 100hp, i'd say it will be at least another 10000, and it depends what engine it is. you're best bet to get that much hp is probably a high displacement v8, or some crazy imported jap engine. or get your hands on a grand national and put about 10000 in it.

another thing about the tiburon is that its goin to be very hard to source out parts for it. i dont' think anyone makes sleeves or low compression pistons, and forged rods for that motor. even the newer tiburon will have a hard time finding parts to build the motor up. but you can always go custom and make your own.

go or no go on the tib? so far looks like no go, since i also want to do some interior and exterior detail work(though i did find a pretty sweet body kit for a little over $500) $10000 into the engine is a little pricy for me, are there any small things i can do to it to increase the hp for cheap? I dont know much about engines(i cant even spell it right i dont think :banghead: ) so going custom is totally out of the question, and im going to have to pay for labor since i cant install myself.should i go with the tib or try and find another car for cheap?????

ok, i was on carmax and found a '98 eclipse GS for $8,998 w/ 63k miles. i heard eclipses were mechanical nightmares but would this be a good choice? i still want to tune the engine but im worried the eclipse's cant handle anything too big. i also found a '99 tiberon w/ 46k miles for the same price. which would be the best choice not only for engine tune ups but exterior and interior styling, i want to make it like a show car but still be fast as hell so i can kick the asses of all the people with riced civics at my school(about 6, lol) plz help me!!! :banghead:

hmm in my experience i find that show and go is very expensive, you're better off choosing one or the other. As far as cars go.. the old 4 cylinder tibi's aren't that fast and have very few aftermarket parts, the eclispe GS is just a heavy RS with the a N/A 420A, its more of a looks car and has an aftermarket parts but don't expect to be fast without sinking in some major dough (also you'd get walked on by 1st gen neons that have the 420A with the head on backwards from yours, yes i'm partial i know that but its true). For your first car i wouldn't pick anything that requires high maintenance (ie turbo kits, nitrous, etc.) stick to N/A bolt-ons and pick something that you can learn from.

for under 20K something fast... How about under 10K... do what I did, although you probably wont like it cause its a civic. but here it is anyways. these prices are ballpark
92 civic hatch: $2500
gsr swap: $3000
installation: $800-1000 (since you cant do it yourself)
costum exhaust:$500 (nothing bolt-on will fit)
-----------
~$7000

and you got yourself a 14second car.
ofcourse then there's suspension, rims and whatever else you want is additional.

on more thing. Horsepower doesnt mean anything. I beat 5.0 mustangs with my 180hp 1.8L vtec riceburning civic. You also want a lightweight car, I dont know about tiburons, (which I would never ever get) but eclipses are very heavy, and if it is not turbo ( gs-t or gsx) I wouldnt get it. And yes they are mechanical nithmares, specially their trannys.

Maybe an MR-S? Quick stock very fast with just bolt ons and looks real sexy with the right body kit (I like the Trial kit). Someone in the toyota forum said they are running 12.5s with just bolt ons because the cars are so light. And its a MR set up so you know it will handle great.

Also a miata?

if you want 500hp you can do it with a turbo eclipse. the 4G63 can handle that kind of power if its tuned right. those motors are generally indestructable. the extra money that you spend on buying a turbo eclipse will more then pay off if you plan to upgrade it. but eclipses do have a few problems. their transmissions being one of them. and their interior tends to fall apart.

ok, thx for the advice, but i dont think im gunna get a civic any time soon. i wanted this car to be out of the ordinary, u know, something really unique and cool. i dont think ive ever seen anything done to a tib, and its fairly cheap, so i thought, what the hell, ill try. there are at least 5 "slammed" civics at my school, so if i do get one, it would look like im just copying them. as for going one way or the other with the show car/race car thing, im gunna get the performance mods first, and then after i have what i want, ill work on the aesthetics of the car(if i have the money).

what about a celica???
http://www.importmodifications.com/262087_7_full.jpeg
http://www.importmodifications.com/celicarx7frnt2.jpg

i actually think im gunna go vice versa on my last post and say aesthetics first, then performance. this way i can do everything i want to the exterior then start the engine in pieces

o ya and in addition to those pics i think ill get red neon under-car lights and red neon under-seat lights, sound cool?

o ya and in addition to those pics i think ill get red neon under-car lights and red neon under-seat lights, sound cool?
You are a ricer just the the rest of those guys with the civics. "Im a band geek too, I just never joined the band." Thats what you should be saying about burning rice.
If you can get even 200whp without adding a whole lot of money to an older (4cyl.) Tiburon and make it reliable. I will be very impressed. Just dont dream of getting anywhere near 500, not even 300hp.

As hypocritical as it may sound, seeing as its your first car maybe you shouldn't go racing around playing fast and the furious, your insurance is going to be high enough as it is you don't need any tickets at least in the first year. Make it look good, maybe a system or whatever you hyundai guys do but really do you need 500hp to..drive to school?

*pouts* I wish I had 20k to play around with when going out to buy a car. There's a ton of performance options just begging to be picked up.

And I'll bet you never even considered them....

For instance, Porsche 928 S4's, which have 315hp off the factory floor, are a good option. You can pick one up these days for under 10k, and there is a healthy aftermarket for them.

Then there's Alfa Romeo GTV6's. These are highly under-appreciated V6 powered Italian coupes with a very well-thought out Spica mechanical fuel injection setup (that most enthusiasts scrap for Weber DCOE carbs) and 230+ hp stock. They're FR chassis is incredibly sorted and they sound like a baby Ferrari at high-revs.

Finally, there's the Jaguar XJ-S coupe. Now, while I normally shy away from them because there was no manual trans option in the states, the mere concept that for under 10k you can have a nice V12 Jaguar sitting in your garage is mind-blowing. They're incredibly comfortable, reliable as hell when maintained properly, and have loads of torque and power from that nice big V12.

Now, evoLover, try thinking of it this way. How cool does it feel to say "I have a Porsche/Alfa Romeo/Jaguar in my driveway." A bit better than saying Mitsubishi or Hyundai, huh?

As hypocritical as it may sound, seeing as its your first car maybe you shouldn't go racing around playing fast and the furious, your insurance is going to be high enough as it is you don't need any tickets at least in the first year. Make it look good, maybe a system or whatever you hyundai guys do but really do you need 500hp to..drive to school?

i wouldnt go arround "playing fast and the furious", though i would "race" some of my friends and people at school, i would mostly use it at the local drag races for fun. im not so sure about the hyundai though, right now im really in love w/ the celica(bet it'll last about a day though, lol).

as for the dumbfuck w/ the last post on the first page, there is a huge difference between rice and a show car. my definition of rice is:
lowered
new exaust(rice burner)
new rims
ridiculously huge spoiler
euro lights
THATS ABOUT IT...

show cars have a lot of body work and interior work, but they dont claim to be able to race, which i wouldnt untill i work on my engine.

*pouts* I wish I had 20k to play around with when going out to buy a car. There's a ton of performance options just begging to be picked up.

And I'll bet you never even considered them....

For instance, Porsche 928 S4's, which have 315hp off the factory floor, are a good option. You can pick one up these days for under 10k, and there is a healthy aftermarket for them.

Then there's Alfa Romeo GTV6's. These are highly under-appreciated V6 powered Italian coupes with a very well-thought out Spica mechanical fuel injection setup (that most enthusiasts scrap for Weber DCOE carbs) and 230+ hp stock. They're FR chassis is incredibly sorted and they sound like a baby Ferrari at high-revs.

Finally, there's the Jaguar XJ-S coupe. Now, while I normally shy away from them because there was no manual trans option in the states, the mere concept that for under 10k you can have a nice V12 Jaguar sitting in your garage is mind-blowing. They're incredibly comfortable, reliable as hell when maintained properly, and have loads of torque and power from that nice big V12.

Now, evoLover, try thinking of it this way. How cool does it feel to say "I have a Porsche/Alfa Romeo/Jaguar in my driveway." A bit better than saying Mitsubishi or Hyundai, huh?


I personally love all those cars you just put up there and wouldn't mind having any of them and have almost on several occasion bought the Jag or Porsche. But as this guy is def a newb and def doesn't do his own work. The repair bills on all those cars would kill him. Especially the Jag or Porsche.

i wouldnt go arround "playing fast and the furious", though i would "race" some of my friends and people at school, i would mostly use it at the local drag races for fun. im not so sure about the hyundai though, right now im really in love w/ the celica(bet it'll last about a day though, lol).

as for the dumbfuck w/ the last post on the first page, there is a huge difference between rice and a show car. my definition of rice is:
lowered
new exaust(rice burner)
new rims
ridiculously huge spoiler
euro lights
THATS ABOUT IT...

show cars have a lot of body work and interior work, but they dont claim to be able to race, which i wouldnt untill i work on my engine.


whats wrong with a new exhuast? just cause those guys in your school probrably got shitty ass fart cans doesn't mean that a new exhuast is rice. they just got shitty exhausts. try putting a apexi GT spec in your car or a greddy SP or any other 500 dollar exhuast
and it will sound beautiful. theres a difference between a nice hum coming out of a tail pipe that goes into a nice clean crip deep bassy roar compared to those go ped sounding exhuast. i remember working at speedworld and i kept on hearing this annoying ass exhuast and me and my boss is liek who da fuck is driving that honda around here like that, and when we took a look, it turned out to be a go ped. lolz but they ( being those hondas with fart cans ) sound the same. hahahah

and also whats wrong with new wheels? wheels are one of the best things you can buy if you get the good stuff. such as SSR's Volks racing, 5 Zigen, Ray's wheels, BBS. all the good stuff that has the correct offset and width.

and whats wrong with slaming a car? if the springs aren't cut, and the shocks are designed to match the springs. it improves transistion handling by alot. the only thing is for a honda you need to get a camber correction kit.

most of the things that you have listed as rice are actually the most unricest things if its DONE RIGHT. i have to emphesize that cause alot of people doesnt' seem to get it. go chill the nissan 240 community if you can put up with their strict ways on newbies you can learn alot about performance from them. to the most of us, form follows function and that makes the car beautiful to us, if everything has a purpose to it.

Dude, 500 hp is a lot of friggin power! I don't think you realize how much power that is. If you've met anyone in your high school who told you they have 500 hp, they're lying. If they said they have 300 hp, they're lying :lol: 200 hp to the wheels makes for a pretty quick daily driver in something as small and light as your average compact car. You don't want 500hp in your 1st car. Not if you want to live to get a 2nd car...

And old Tiburons are ghey, if you want a Tiburon get one of the new body style. At least they're cool looking.

\/ \/ \/ \/ Lowered, wheels, exhaust, graphics, and a factory wing when I get around to it. Oh yeah and the ability to half-track your Tiburon or Celica with neons :biggrin:

hey delaysional i have almost 300hp do you believe me? :iceslolan

I would get a supra tt. They have very reliable engines, they can go past 500hp with the stock fuel system,and it only costs around $2,000 to have 400 rwhp. The downside is these cars have became so popular that you have to look hard to get one for $20,000 when there only bluebooked at around 13,000 (1993).

i like your first comment, money is tight and then you said you had 20k

im guessing you are 16 and 20k to you is bein tight on money??
shit i got 12 dollars to my name and bills to pay at the end of the month dont say shit about money is tight with 20k

and plz dont get a fuckin race car and be stupid. my insurance is alrdy a fuckin buttload cause of stupid shit us young kids do

go get yourself a 10 speed bike and a bus pass and save the money for something else

this entire thread is gay ... just get a fuckin civic hatch and drop an h22 in it and run 13's and be done ... fuck getting a damn hyundai they are pieces of shit.

Melt, Jetts, seeing as how Hyundai was for four seasons top dog in the open class of the SCCA Pro Rally circuit (thank you Paul Choiniere) it's obvious that the cars have potential.

But while it's a lot of fun to go poking fun at the Korean manufacturers that are just now producing cars on a world level, it's rather deplorable behaviour to tell off a kid simply because he wants to learn.

He's made the point of not wanting to be a ricer, and although his power desires are a bit naive (I know guys who race Late Model stock cars at Lorain County Speedway who aren't making 500hp) I think there's a chance there's a genuine enthusiast in the making here.

Jetts. I'm broke too. So's Cbass and Redneck383. Heck, I'm blowing my last 100 on friday for a bus ticket to spend a weekend with my girlfriend in Indiana. I only recently picked up a new job as a lackey at a local auto shop. But being broke doesn't make me anymore of an enthusiast. My cousin Barry is rich enough that he's bored with his Viper RT/10 (production no.6) and his Ferrari 308GTB, so he's playing around with a lead sled '59 Buick LeSabre and chopped '66 Caddilac Fleetwood. His having the money to do that doesn't make him any less of an enthusiast.

Melt, while you've proposed a good import drag combination, it's not the end all- be all of performance. I daresay a 13second Civic wouldn't be a a good autocross/road course car. Just the occasional jaunt down a twisty mountain road can bring a drag chassis' (import or domestic) inherent problems out. And what if he does like look of a Tiburon? Aren't people allowed to come to their own conclusions about styling? I'm a huge fan of the works of Raymond Loewy, particularly the Studebaker Avanti and 1953 Studebaker Commander Coupe. But plenty of people will also say that they don't care for those cars at all. Remember, even the Edsel and the Pacer have nation wide owner's clubs.

Sometimes I think that many people roll their eyes too soon at newbies. I recall when import rodding was an underground movement in general, at the strips, cruises, and tracks. Those of us who took it seriously fought long and hard to get recognition, and we have it to the point of even Hot Rod Magazine telling their readers to watch out for Civics and praising efforts like the SRT-4 and Saturn Ion coupe.

Recognition came through education, and only through further PATIENT education will legitimate enthusiasm for our hobby grow. 50 years ago, guys with flatheads in their deuces and Offenhauser intakes had to educate a populace that saw their hobby demonized in "Hot Rods from Hell" and "Rebel Without a Cause". Guess what? Replace James Dean with Vin Diesel and a '49 Mercury with a Toyota Supra and you have the same scenario. Telling off new people who want to become an actual part of the hobby will not make two lousy movies go away. Education, patience, and respect will.

i hope you were kidding with that last post..... first car, engine swap, and 16 don't mix (unless your dad's a mechanic w/a shop and has done swaps). Shit i had a GNX when i turned 16..... i did some real stupid things.. :disappoin


*what about that vid of the 2 engine awd tibi that was on the net a couple years back... you can't deny that korean beast.

hey delaysional i have almost 300hp do you believe me? :iceslolan

I have an ass-dynoed 240-250 at the crank, I just can't put it down from a standstill :(

Melt, Jetts, seeing as how Hyundai was for four seasons top dog in the open class of the SCCA Pro Rally circuit (thank you Paul Choiniere) it's obvious that the cars have potential.


Totally agree with you. My moms friggin base model stripped 4 cylinder '03 Tiburon feels more stable at 80+ mph than my car. The doors shut with a nice satisfying clunk, rather than the "kaBAMrattlerattlerattle" of my cars doors. All together it feels very well put together (other than the trim piece that fell off the steering wheel the 1st day :sly: ). Not quite the same connected to the road feeling as my car, but still good. I definately respect it for the price.

i hope you were kidding with that last post..... first car, engine swap, and 16 don't mix (unless your dad's a mechanic w/a shop and has done swaps). Shit i had a GNX when i turned 16..... i did some real stupid things.. :disappoin
A GNX?? As in the Precursor to the Buick Grand National?? Quite the first car.

As for your Hyundai, what I have to say has been said. 500 hp kills teens for sure, get a new Tiburon (they got a V6 and dual exhausts), and its a nice well rounded car for a begining driver. Have fun with watever you get and remember: rice kills!



...i swear that rice rockets are actually magnetically attracted to telephone poles and trees. :disappoin

Let me see, my civic is lowered with Neuspeed springs and kyb agx shocks. It has rims, GSR rims that is. It has an exhaust: dc header, high flow cat, and skunk2 catback. And it has a wing, wingswest duckbill wing. Oh did I forget to mention a jdm b18c? I have recieved a lot of compliments saying its real nice and clean. Not once have I heard it was ricy, not even my friends who are american muscle car freaks.
Anyways, in my opinion, if the swapping idea is not an option you should get a used car. Some of the cars have been mentioned. Except I dont think a 240sx has been mentioned yet, maybe it has but this is a cool car to mess around with specially since its RWD, and if you're unsatisfied with power (which you probably will be with the KA20) once you get more experienced with cars and save up a little money, in comes the SR20det. This way you have a super nice car, fast as heck, and probably duable for under 10K. Forget spending 20K for a first car, thats just not reasonable.

whats wrong with a new exhuast? just cause those guys in your school probrably got shitty ass fart cans doesn't mean that a new exhuast is rice. they just got shitty exhausts. try putting a apexi GT spec in your car or a greddy SP or any other 500 dollar exhuast
and it will sound beautiful. theres a difference between a nice hum coming out of a tail pipe that goes into a nice clean crip deep bassy roar compared to those go ped sounding exhuast. i remember working at speedworld and i kept on hearing this annoying ass exhuast and me and my boss is liek who da fuck is driving that honda around here like that, and when we took a look, it turned out to be a go ped. lolz but they ( being those hondas with fart cans ) sound the same. hahahah

and also whats wrong with new wheels? wheels are one of the best things you can buy if you get the good stuff. such as SSR's Volks racing, 5 Zigen, Ray's wheels, BBS. all the good stuff that has the correct offset and width.

and whats wrong with slaming a car? if the springs aren't cut, and the shocks are designed to match the springs. it improves transistion handling by alot. the only thing is for a honda you need to get a camber correction kit.

most of the things that you have listed as rice are actually the most unricest things if its DONE RIGHT. i have to emphesize that cause alot of people doesnt' seem to get it. go chill the nissan 240 community if you can put up with their strict ways on newbies you can learn alot about performance from them. to the most of us, form follows function and that makes the car beautiful to us, if everything has a purpose to it.

nothings rong w/ new exaust, what makes it rice is the fact that it is the ONLY thing they have and they think they can race. ill elaborate later, but i g2g right now.

yes i see what yoru saying now. just becuase they got a intake or exhuast they think they can take on ferraris or stang GT's or V8's in general. you should've said something about that earlier.

Hey dontchu forget the stickers!! those are a few extra HP, and if they are yellow, even more!!! Then there's the dual tach, the factory one in the gage cluster and then the monster tach.

just to clear this up, i dont have 20k in the bank, my parents r gunna buy me a car and they want it to be cheap. i have mayb 1k in the bank but more is on the way(lol, i hope) :2cents:

Get a old beater truck and drive it like a grandma. Problem solved.

get an old 300zx turbo
like an 88-89
about 2-3g's in decent condition
fix whats wrong about $1000
get intake, exhaust, boost controller, turbo timer
and run 10 psi
you should get about 250 hp with little $
it's also got an lsd rear end

in this weeks wheels & deals, i found a "1995-INTEGRA GSR, type R, 5 spd, full pwr, cust. leather int, pwr roof, 17" whls, Euro lts, Catback exh, DC sport header, sound system-2 16"-$8000", should i buy?

Dullard!

No points for creativity. Performance potential is middling. And $8,000 is TOO MUCH for any 8 year old FF midsize coupe. I'm sorry, but you'd be bending over if you took that deal.

Like I said before, the BEST performance bargains you can find are "contemporary classics". Cars that just cracked or are on the verge of cracking their first double decade. You find one of the under-appreciated examples of a classic marque like the front engine Porsches (924, 944, 928, 968) and you can purchase them cheap, but there's a hardcore band of enthusiasts who have brought to market all manner of incredible parts to turn them into true hellraisers.

Don't believe me? Take a look for yourself. This one's in Shrewsberry, Pennsylvania. Not too far from Tennessee. 1987 Porsche 924 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2438339145&category=6431) Buy it now at $2000. Think about that..... $8000 dollar= Honda. $2000= Porsche.

C'mon. This isn't rocket science, it's brain surgery! Try and think outside of the Honda/Mitsubishi bubble and see that there's a WORLD of sports cars waiting for your enjoyment.

And just for the record. This.....http://i9.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/c9/29/d1_1.JPG
Can become this. http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/12/web/324000-324999/324284_12_full.jpg

in this weeks wheels & deals, i found a "1995-INTEGRA GSR, type R, 5 spd, full pwr, cust. leather int, pwr roof, 17" whls, Euro lts, Catback exh, DC sport header, sound system-2 16"-$8000", should i buy?




1995 Integra GSR Type R eh?


HA.

Get a 2002 used Cavalier 5sp w/ the ecotec=around 8k and a mid 15sec car

Go to http://www.cavalierconnection.com get the ecotec turbo ($2500) and boost 10 psi= mid 13

Get clutch, flywheel, rims(lightweight), sticky tires, and underdrive pully and you sir have your self a mid-high 12 second car for a grand total of
~13-15K

(cavaliers like lightweight so get the lightest you can, they also like higer rpms but DO NOT redline very often)

Oh yea i also forgot to add exaust, bigger and all after market, no stock parts!!! w/ 2 1/4"- 3".

for under 20k you can easily get you a japanese muscle or a american muscle car. i mean rx7,camaro z28,3000gt vr4,mustang gt,300zx tt, trans am ram air.
all for under 20k, and won't take much to add big power.

GSR type R eh? i never knew those existed.

GSR type R eh? i never knew those existed.

yea they do, they exist in the ricer world.

get a neon srt-4
little over 20k

get a neon srt-4
little over 20k

Yeah that's the best deal going, it raped the 350Z, the WRX
, and even the RSX all over the 1/4 mile. :lol:

the rsx type-s is a hunk of junk
i walked all over them in my 180hp 6 speed pontiac vibe gt wagon
acura really disapointed me on the rsx

Yeah, an expensive hunk of junk :lol: they cost like $25,000.
Just wait, we're gonna get a tsunami of ricers flaming us for liking the SRT-4. I don't care cuz my friend has one and whales on it at drag races and autocross constantly and it don't break.

i have never ridden or drove one but i bet they are a blast

Five speed ecotec cavaliers are a blast to drive.

no one wants a cavy (=

found another integra..."1995-ACURA-INTEGRA_GSR, full type extream body kit, civic type r cams, DC sport header, twin cannister muffler, K&M intake, Hondata fuel management, 17" rims-$8500"????????


just to set something strait, i dont like muscle cars and i dont like old cars, like before 1990, soposting about camaros and stuff like that is just a waste of ur time.

Dude trust me on the cavalier! 140hp and 150lbs of tourque stock. Mid 15 sec. car stock! Dont wast your time on imports, they dont have much torque at all.

found another integra..."1995-ACURA-INTEGRA_GSR, full type extream body kit, civic type r cams, DC sport header, twin cannister muffler, K&M intake, Hondata fuel management, 17" rims-$8500"????????


just to set something strait, i dont like muscle cars and i dont like old cars, like before 1990, soposting about camaros and stuff like that is just a waste of ur time.

ok then, buy some modded Jap rocket that has bluish smoke coming out the tailpipe, cuz that shows its got NOS power, so it will be really fast! :lol2:

im telling you get a srt-4
well woop any modded abused pos honda/acura

im telling you get a srt-4
well woop any modded abused pos honda/acura
yep or a cavalier :naughty:

Obviously a future rice boy here you guys are wasting your time. Just get your honda with 90hp, but please don't try to run with the big dogs, just hide under the porch with the kittens.

1995 Integra GSR Type R eh?


HA.

Those are the fast ones :lol:

Dude trust me on the cavalier! 140hp and 150lbs of tourque stock. Mid 15 sec. car stock! Dont wast your time on imports, they dont have much torque at all.


Due, c'mon. Cavaliers don't run mid 15's stock, and even if they did, that's still pretty slow, you have no room to be ragging on "imports" :rolleyes: