poor honda

whats going down over here. man i am a vw person but have to tell about vw waterfest. some turbo civic decided to show up an tried to show up some dubs but wasnt very successful. he ran twice in time trials nefore majorly screwing up his hatchback. at the end of his run there was lots o' popping and hissing and i saw him pull into da pits. when i looked to see what was goin on he grabbed a fairly large socket, pulled back, and went kung-pow in the engine compartment. after an angry slam of the carbon fiber hood (i think i heard it crack) he stormed off only to return with a truck and trailer. I think he'll think twice about messin with german powa. MUH-HA-HA-HA-HAAAA!

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Thats nice. Thanks for sharing

DOnt forget u were once a newby too!

never a newbie here.....just had a minimal amount of posts

Originally posted by Gti_vr6_racer
DOnt forget u were once a newby too!

I doubt if he's ever gone into a VW forum just to talk shit about their cars, though, even as a newbie.

i dont think ive ever went anywhere and said.....this make/model sucks! ive defended honda's and other cars as well as users, and had some problems with some also but i didnt do anything like that

This thread stated badly - hasn't gotten any better. :disappoin

Originally posted by kickazzjetta
whats going down over here. man i am a vw person but have to tell about vw waterfest. some turbo civic decided to show up an tried to show up some dubs but wasnt very successful. he ran twice in time trials nefore majorly screwing up his hatchback. at the end of his run there was lots o' popping and hissing and i saw him pull into da pits. when i looked to see what was goin on he grabbed a fairly large socket, pulled back, and went kung-pow in the engine compartment. after an angry slam of the carbon fiber hood (i think i heard it crack) he stormed off only to return with a truck and trailer. I think he'll think twice about messin with german powa. MUH-HA-HA-HA-HAAAA!
Wow, so no Civic will ever be able to beat any supremely overpriced ($25k sticker for a VR6), ugly, underpowered Jetta? By the way the Jetta won 1st place in most homosexual-purchased car in early 2003, oh wait I should go to VWvortex.com and spread that word so I can be cool like you.

:owned:

:gives:

Originally posted by Ricochet

Wow, so no Civic will ever be able to beat any supremely overpriced ($25k sticker for a VR6), ugly, underpowered Jetta? By the way the Jetta won 1st place in most homosexual-purchased car in early 2003, oh wait I should go to VWvortex.com and spread that word so I can be cool like you.

i dont know where u are gettin gyour figures from but i only paid 22k for my susposed overpriced underpowered vr6 gti!

Originally posted by Gti_vr6_racer


i dont know where u are gettin gyour figures from but i only paid 22k for my susposed overpriced underpowered vr6 gti!
That's why I said sticker. What you pay for one will always be different.

Originally posted by kickazzjetta
whats going down over here. man i am a vw person but have to tell about vw waterfest. some turbo civic decided to show up an tried to show up some dubs but wasnt very successful. he ran twice in time trials nefore majorly screwing up his hatchback. at the end of his run there was lots o' popping and hissing and i saw him pull into da pits. when i looked to see what was goin on he grabbed a fairly large socket, pulled back, and went kung-pow in the engine compartment. after an angry slam of the carbon fiber hood (i think i heard it crack) he stormed off only to return with a truck and trailer. I think he'll think twice about messin with german powa. MUH-HA-HA-HA-HAAAA!


so um yeah............






did you get banned yet, if not u will be soon :thefinger :loser:

Originally posted by Ricochet

That's why I said sticker. What you pay for one will always be different.

dude sticker is closer to 23 or 24k fully loaded

it isnt underpowered, its just overweight with a suspension that belongs on my grandmas crown vic, and a transmission that feels like a box of rocks. dont forget incredibly difficult to mod without spending copious amounts of money. but if thats how you get your jollys, go right ahead buddy

Originally posted by kidrocket
it isnt underpowered, its just overweight with a suspension that belongs on my grandmas crown vic, and a transmission that feels like a box of rocks. dont forget incredibly difficult to mod without spending copious amounts of money. but if thats how you get your jollys, go right ahead buddy
:werd:

Originally posted by kidrocket
it isnt underpowered, its just overweight with a suspension that belongs on my grandmas crown vic, and a transmission that feels like a box of rocks. dont forget incredibly difficult to mod without spending copious amounts of money. but if thats how you get your jollys, go right ahead buddy

If u want a good car you start with a good one that has more possibilitys then some 4 banging non displacment.

Originally posted by Gti_vr6_racer


If u want a good car you start with a good one that has more possibilitys then some 4 banging non displacment.

ALL cars have possibilities.

I doubt if your VR6 has as much potential as my four-banger for half the price...

Originally posted by Gti_vr6_racer


If u want a good car you start with a good one that has more possibilitys then some 4 banging non displacment.


more possibilities? pardon me, but the aftermarket response for my fourbanger is vastly more extensive than that of your porky V6 hatch. i actually test drove several volkswagens, and they were all slow, with LOTS of body roll around turns, and mushy trannies.

plus parts for VWs are extremely expensive for the gains you see. for example take neuspeed. 270 bucks for a CAI? gimme a break

:banhim:






yea look at my name..i have a honda ..but dammit my friend has a 2002 GTI 1.8T and ill be damed if its underpowerd....i was in the car doing 139 MPH in 4th gear with him and 1 other person..so...whatever ya wanna think.but i agree...im talkin about the 20valve 4 banger turbo...not that VR6 sausage. which yea i think it actully has more top end, but it dont have the sound of a turbo spoolin up.

so 200 hp is slow and 105 hp is mad fast. Boy you honda boys dont seem to make sense

Originally posted by Gti_vr6_racer
so 200 hp is slow and 105 hp is mad fast. Boy you honda boys dont seem to make sense
No, but the price difference between the two is about $10,000 for the 106 horsepower model. That extra $10,000 spent on the Honda could make it able to destroy the dub on the skidpad, quarter, and street. Both cars would then be $22k-$24k cars.

Originally posted by Gti_vr6_racer
so 200 hp is slow and 105 hp is mad fast. Boy you honda boys dont seem to make sense


i never said 105 hp was fast. who said anything about that? mine actually has 160, which is quite different from 105. all im saying is 200 hp is a LOT slower than it should be when its paired with 3000+ pounds and a shitty suspension. and youre going to have to expect a retaliation like this when someone comes into the honda forum talking shit and bragging about *cough* VWs..

Ok so with a 10k car yes u would save an extra 10k to put into it!

But if u could put that same 10k into the vr6 youd be pusin about 500 hp without a bottle!

you dont get it.

we're talking about if you spend the same amount on both cars. if you spent 10 grand on your car, itd be a 34 thousand dollar car. the "extra" 10 grand he is referring to is the DIFFERENCE between the civic and yours. the 10 grand in mods for the civic would result in the same amount of money spent on your bone stock vr6

Originally posted by kidrocket
you dont get it.

we're talking about if you spend the same amount on both cars. if you spent 10 grand on your car, itd be a 34 thousand dollar car. the "extra" 10 grand he is referring to is the DIFFERENCE between the civic and yours. the 10 grand in mods for the civic would result in the same amount of money spent on your bone stock vr6
Don't even bother trying to explain to this dumbass, he still won't get it. Back in my first few posts I went pages and pages trying to explain this to a mustang owner and he was so fucking stupid I wanted to drill a hole in my head from trying to explain it to the moron.

Mr. Rice buys a $13k Civic DX.
Mr. Hitler buys a $23k GTI VR6

Mr. Rice spends $10k in mods on his $13k civic. $13k+$10k=$23k
Mr. Hitler still has a stock dub which costs the same as the modded Civic, but is now slower, heavier, and handles worse.

Please tell me you understand this simple math.

Its all gravy baby....I think VW boy should understand the moron proof logic u spelled out....

I'm not trying to down GTI's as they are great cars, but to make them tolerable you need a chip and suspension for starters... there's about $2000 right there. I test drove the 1.8T a few months ago and it felt a little slow for the price of $22k or so. While driving around in it I noticed a shitload of little buttons, switches, unnecessary options etc. and started realizing why the sticker is so high.

I've seen extensive modifying done on Vr6's that cost a fortune pity they still didn't produce much more than 280hp

Originally posted by Gti_vr6_racer
so 200 hp is slow and 105 hp is mad fast. Boy you honda boys dont seem to make sense

If you look under my avatar, the four-banger that I was referring to is my car's SR20DE, which cost me 1,800 dollars, including the car it came in;).

For 900 dollars, I can get a replacement motor, the SR20DET, from a JDM Bluebird, with 180HP. The only difference this motor has from it's 240HP brothers is an intercooler, and smaller turbo, which another grand should take care of, with a couple of hundred more for engine management/ECU.

The DET can hold 500HP on stock internals, whilst the N/A DE has been known to hold up to 400HP with stock internals, at a hundred-thousand miles.

Like I said, ALL cars have potential. Some are just cheaper than others.

For the likes of us that aren't Bill Gates, that equates to the VW not having ANY potential at all (read: too expensive, can't do it).

yeah ricochet there is one major difference in our cars. yours is made by a group of underpayed , retarded japanese kids who know only how to stamp one piece of metal all day long. the vws though come from the papers of some of the smartest engineers in the world and are produced by sophisticated robots (except the ashtrays are mexican). type r crap can be sold for $19000 because the labor rates are so low in japan. how many hondas that were built 30+ years ago are still running today and have been reliable since they rolled out of the factory. you show me 1, i'll show you 600 in junkyards.

carrrnuttt the only reason your parts are so cheap is that you run with the big crowd. there are so many knock offs of good stuff that the japanese performance market is flooded with ripoffs and crap. if you have connections , persistance and a love for your VW it has much more potential. and by the way is your 400 hp street legal? I think not. my friend has a VW GTi that puts 346 HP TO THE WHEELS and he passed emissions and inspections with the second highest ratings on both. the max potential for a honda (as told to me by a honda performance expert) is 186 hp for 1.8 L NA (for those carnut wannabes that means Naturally Aspirated or no forced induction) i agree with the potential of your SR20DET carrrnuttt, ive seen it done before , just it wasn't street legal.

hey you honda people, there is 1 more difference in our stuff. its a little word honda peolpe dont know much about because they dont have to worry about. it is TORQUE. how much torque you guys puttin down cause there is now way you could match the VR6 specs. 200 HP and 195 ft-lbs of torque. I know of many dynoed hondas that had many thousands of dollars of work put in and got nowhere near that torque rating and werent close to the power either. how do you say $10000 makes a honda faster. your exhaust system (a good one) is $3000+ and gets at most 15 hp and usually looses torque. that gti_vr6_racer will take most streetable hondas at the track. wait... oh yeah you guys are afraid to see what will come up on the printouts cause you cowards only race on the street. Organized street racing for money is retarded. its all cause you dont want to get beat and have proof of that fact

umm yea

how many vw's do you see in the pro's? where do you get 3,000 dollars for an exhaust? honda is one of the worlds best motor making companys, sure the occational vw will make high mileage.....but when have you seen a honda die from normal driving under 100,000 miles?

hey jetta, not only can i match your little torque example, i can surpass it. 240 hp, 212 lbs of torque. So next time you decide to post, make sure youre informed about the members of this forum.

Originally posted by KamiKaze Accord
hey jetta, not only can i match your little torque example, i can surpass it. 240 hp, 212 lbs of torque. So next time you decide to post, make sure youre informed about the members of this forum.

Come to think of it, the VR6 has just as many cylinders as you...

What are the non-turbo VW 4-bangers making nowadays?

Their 2.0 liter makes about 110HP. I know, I almost bought a 1997 Jetta with that motor in it. I test drove my (R.I.P.) 1997 Civic LX, which was a LOT cheaper, quicker and ultimately more reliable, besides being better with gas, with it's .4 liter less of displacement.

Apples to apples.

The current crop of Honda 4's (K20A) make more power than the current crop of turbo-4 VW's, while delivering better gas mileage.

The VR6 can then be matched with the new Honda V6s, which Kamikaze has an example of. Even the older V6, with 200HP and 200TQ was a match.

right you are carnuttt, even the 00-02 Accord V6's matched it with 200 hp, and 195 lb of torque. What a missinformed poster. :biggrin:

what does the r32 put down? too lazy to look, i know its a badass though, even so theres still the c30

Originally posted by Gti_vr6_racer
Ok so with a 10k car yes u would save an extra 10k to put into it!

But if u could put that same 10k into the vr6 youd be pusin about 500 hp without a bottle!
and.......your retarded.......:bigthumb:

you take the cake slow poke. :loser:

Originally posted by kickazzjetta
whats going down over here. man i am a vw person but have to tell about vw waterfest. some turbo civic decided to show up an tried to show up some dubs but wasnt very successful. he ran twice in time trials nefore majorly screwing up his hatchback. at the end of his run there was lots o' popping and hissing and i saw him pull into da pits. when i looked to see what was goin on he grabbed a fairly large socket, pulled back, and went kung-pow in the engine compartment. after an angry slam of the carbon fiber hood (i think i heard it crack) he stormed off only to return with a truck and trailer. I think he'll think twice about messin with german powa. MUH-HA-HA-HA-HAAAA!
westminster would be where on my way to JMU? :biggrin2:

Yeah, come mess with DblOvrHedCamron's Integra. Bring cash and a whole lot of tissues. Cause once your Ego gets a reality check, you're not going to be a very happy boy.

wow... some people with vw's... not sayin any names ...post really stupid things:loser:

hahaha damn i love this thread..!

these VW owners remind me of.. JESSE with the VW Jetta in FAST and FURIOUS.. as i remember it was JOHNNY TRAN 's "Honda" S2000 that fully owned that BOX.. like dont get me wrong its a movie but what the heck this thread seems fun..! let me start something here hahahaa:loser: :thefinger :bigthumb: :biggrin2: :iceslolan :dogpile: :confused:

A friend of mine has a 196HP Spoon Civic, and frankly I doubt even a 400HP GTi could hang with that bad boy. That's one Civic I WILL NOT touch... :bigthumb:

well i dont own a honda or a vdub

i love both of them

i would take a 4th gen hatch, for a quick cheap ride
but i would take a mk4 golf 1.8t for sleek style and luxary and a little speed

so i love them both
so no hating bitches :thefinger

Originally posted by KoRnboy
A friend of mine has a 196HP Spoon Civic, and frankly I doubt even a 400HP GTi could hang with that bad boy. That's one Civic I WILL NOT touch... :bigthumb:


unless that thing is completelly gutted and most body panels replaced with fiberglass.....that will not happen.....lets not get carried away....

Originally posted by Neutrino



unless that thing is completelly gutted and most body panels replaced with fiberglass.....that will not happen.....lets not get carried away....

:iamwithst

thats a bit Over the Top

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


:iamwithst

thats a bit Over the Top


well if a 196 hp car will beat a 400 hp car that thing better have some serious weight advantage


unfortunatelly its statements from rice boys like this that give the rest of you honda drivers bad reps.....just because that civic has been worked over by spoon and has 196 hp doesn't mean all of a sudden can beat 400hp cars.....even if it has a better powerband....

only thing that could make his statement valid is a huge weight difference.....

troughout this thread you guys were right to put that WV guy in his place and all of a sudden a statement like that apears and unfortunatelly reflects bad on you guys too even though you don't deserve it

honDUHS are da best son we be carryin them niggz son word, yo son fuk a spoon engine i got a fork engine son thats that gayDM shyt yo, yo im outtie 3000 son, 1~

Firstly, I don't own a honda, secondly I'm not a rice boy. Ok so yes I left out some info, I was tired. Yes he has had SOME wieght mods done. I honestly didn't think you would take that seriously, though it is a very fast Civic, (96 body) a 400HP GTi would probably beat it... I've seen it do some amazing kills but I've never come across a GTi like that.

vw's are :gay: ... nuff said

Originally posted by Melt
vw's are :gay: ... nuff said
coulden't have said it better myself.:iamwithst

Originally posted by Melt
vw's are :gay: ... nuff said

:iagree:
Yes Yes... oh soo true.. and well put.. cheers ladd!' :boink::nutkick:

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

with all this VW hating, everyone forgot about hating Ford. :lol:

Originally posted by KoRnboy
Firstly, I don't own a honda, secondly I'm not a rice boy. Ok so yes I left out some info, I was tired. Yes he has had SOME wieght mods done. I honestly didn't think you would take that seriously, though it is a very fast Civic, (96 body) a 400HP GTi would probably beat it... I've seen it do some amazing kills but I've never come across a GTi like that.


sorry but i thought you were serious....is just that i hear so many guys that have stories of smoking way more powerful cars with only ihe and other bolt ons.....

bitch and moan and bitch and moan...

Another 'mines better than yours is' arguement that will just waste everyones time because even with facts, stats, timeslips, complaining and flaming everybody arguing will still hold the exact same views as they had before.

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Originally posted by KoRnboy
A friend of mine has a 196HP Spoon Civic, and frankly I doubt even a 400HP GTi could hang with that bad boy. That's one Civic I WILL NOT touch... :bigthumb:
I have a ctr engine, 185 stock, and probably around your 196 with just my intake and exhaust, and I can barely nose ahead of slightly modded gt's depending on driver... It's pretty quick, but a vr6 with 250hp-280hp could probably take me.

yes vw has gotten the point and in 2004 the 2.0 will make 150 hp, the new 20v 2.0 turbo will get 200 hp, the vr6 will make 250 hp, the V6 turbo will get 300 hp (r32). so just keep you sky-high egos until next year when we VW people will be spankin your, as a honda person put it, GAYDM wanna be hondas

WE'LL BE SMOKIN Y'ALL AT THE TRACKS NEXT YEAR :biggrin2: