Sweet Civic ??

aight guys, im starting to wonder about alot of things about my car (99 civic coupe ex) and speed is one of the largest concerns! (ive got a modded Z-28, TA, and corvette to keep up with soo.. im trailin behind with the guys!) i was wonderin about how much $$ am i looking at, towards having me a sweet civic that has all the style that civics were made for, and the speed to make sure i can keep up with my bro's! also she needs to be a rather reliable car since i'd be using her for everday driving. does any one have any idea how much cash im looking at??? or any ideas to help me to that end goal?? im looking in the turbo market as it is. and im also thinkin mabey i might have to switch rides to do that^. currently on my civic i have a full cat, CAI,w bypass, and a K&N. then course i have a nice system, and full ground effects. so any thoughts, knowledge or even hairbrained schemes or idea's would be apreciated!

okay first off, adding a "system" and "ground effects" will do nothing but make your car slower. and secondly, adding simple bolt ons wont make your 99 tank of a civic even keep up with any of those cars.

you should stick with rice. get an even bigger body kit, maybe some 19" wheels. then you could tint it out with 0% tint, get some yellow interior, then maybe put some NOS stickers on it so it looks fast.

lol aight dude! first off, i know that the effects and the system wont make my car faster in the slightest, but looks and sound is currently my only bragging feature! and my bolt ons while they wont allow me to keep up with the others, they do make it somewhat faster! the rice idea....its ill !!! just sick man!!!! lol although i must say amusing. but towards the market of turbos... any misconstrued thoughts about that ?? or anything else that may pertain to this issue, it'd all be welcome ! thanx again

ok, if you want to make your car fast what you need is a ported intake and throttle body, a racing pulley, a lightened fly wheel, a six puck clutch, a ported and polished head, and higher compression pistons. you can get all of these at dh-racing.com and it will cost you between 1500-2000 to get all of these things, but your car will run between 13-14 second 1/4 mile times if you don't do the pistons. if you do the pistons then you will be looking at a little faster time. also you should get some nice rims to add to the look if you haven't already.

hey mj you must be dreaming if you think those mods will get him into the 14's. for that ex you would need a lot more then that to hit 14's. personally the best, cheapest, and fastest for the money engine swap is a b18b swap with a turbo kit. you could do all of that for about 4 grand depending on your hookups and who does your work. and as stated before your big wheels, heavy sound system, and body kit only slow you down. but with an ls turbo you should hit 13's.

where do you think those mods would put a stock ex at, if that wouldn't put it in 14's.

depending on $$$ get a swap... I'm not sure why this hasn't come up yet, but its the only way to get your car movin.



The cheapest way to get your car haulin is to get a b18b swap (Can you do that on a 99? if not somebody tell me and I'll delete this post lol b.c the rest of it is worthless), sleeve it, get a turbo kit, and run as much boost as you feel safe with.

I know a girl who has a 92 hatch; she did that, got a hondata, dyno tuned it and put in a stage 4 clutch and ran an 11.68 with Si wheels and full interior. Of course she had some really good engine tuning behind that b.c it was tuned by some guys who do work on formula racing cars, but you get the idea.

I just got quoted $1500 for the swap, prolly put $1000 into nice C/H/I, 2 or 3 thousand for the turbo, $350 for a clutch ($150 for flywheel ?)... the list goes on, but remember that you're going to be cruisin as soon as you put that integra engine in and you can get that turbo in and run like 7 or 8 psi of boost stock, keeping you up there iwth the other cars.

Also you could get a GSR or Type R engine and do the same general thing, just each stage will be more expensive.

I just got quoted $1500 for the swap, prolly put $1000 into nice C/H/I, 2 or 3 thousand for the turbo, $350 for a clutch ($150 for flywheel ?)... the list goes on, but remember that you're going to be cruisin as soon as you put that integra engine in and you can get that turbo in and run like 7 or 8 psi of boost stock, keeping you up there iwth the other cars. [/B][/QUOTE]

Turbos are more than 2 or 3 grand. A basic turbo kit, with everything included for install and operation, would be about $3500.00.

hey mole did you happen to read any of the posts before yours? you said the exact same thing i said. also turbo setups should not cost more then 3 grand. if you choose to waste money on a ready made kit then that is your choice. a custom turbo kit can be done for close to 2 grand and work just as well if you know what you are doing.

and mj those mods would pput him in the 15's. a stock ex can run what, 16's? i say with the mods you listed he would only get into the 15's. prove me wrong and show me timeslips if you can. but i doubt it

I cannot begin to experss the overwhelming sespool of emotions that are welling up inside of me. The general stupidity of the comments you people are making with the exception of 91civicdxdude are damaging to my existince. First off, what happened to the general rule of "tuning" your vehicle. Getting the most out of your motor with the least ammount of money spent. I thought that's what this whole hobby was based on, hence tuning... Now days everyone is all swap swap swap, what's most pitiful about that is with $500 put into my stock motor I will beat any swap out there. Send his cam out to get a regrind, put some pm6 pistons in there, an ex head gasket, knife edging the crank, and some home brew p&p, that will get him into the 14.5's if he drops some weight. Provided, he advances his timing and runs some racing fuel.
To all of you who suggested a turbo costs from 1500 to 3500 is outragous. I'm suprised you all didn't pay over 20grand for your car. If you want a cheap turbo setup that will equal the preformance of a garret turbo go to homemadeturbo.com and talk to people who know what they are talking about.
And finally, those of you who obviously don't know what they're talking about, keep your mouth shut and leave building motors for those of us who actually know what they're doing. Perhaps you should concentrate more on what type of wing you're going to put on your piece of rice.

you wanna keep up with a modded Z28, Trans Am and a Corvette??????


I suggest selling the civic and buying a modded Z28, Trans Am or a Corvette... haha

I'm glad I'm not the only one who ocasionally gets a little fired up... :eek:

Originally posted by mjshort18
ok, if you want to make your car fast what you need is a ported intake and throttle body, a racing pulley, a lightened fly wheel, a six puck clutch, a ported and polished head, and higher compression pistons. you can get all of these at dh-racing.com and it will cost you between 1500-2000 to get all of these things, but your car will run between 13-14 second 1/4 mile times if you don't do the pistons. if you do the pistons then you will be looking at a little faster time. also you should get some nice rims to add to the look if you haven't already.
Please end your moronic existance with a stun gun to your crotch.

To make an EX faster, and I'm assuming you don't have any hookups or Honda knowledge, you could buy a Greddy turbo kit for $1600. You'll need an intercooler, fuel injectors/pump/modulator, oil catch can, Hondata, and depending how much money you have to spend the list could go on forever. Take that to a shop to get it dynotuned, and you'll run mid-low 14's. Strip your interior to shave off as much weight as possible, get some 15" lightweight rims, and you could maybe hit 14 flat.

There's always the possibility of shooting nitrous on top of that too, which will dart you down the track in about 13.5-14.0... I just all depends on how much money you have, and how tuned the car is.

Options i think youre the moron here. this guy wants to keep up with modded z28's and trans am's. you think his car with body kit and system could hit a 14.5 with a high compression ex motor? you have got to be kidding me. i like tuning but i believe in starting with a strong base as well. he needs to hit 13's to keep up with those other cars and an NA ex motor would never do that with his exterior mods. turbocharging the ex would be good too but it would never equal an ls turbo. i dont think there is anything wrong with engine swaps. that is still considered tuning no matter what you say. oh and put 500 bucks into your engine and you could beat the rest of us? id love to see you try. when you get that 500 bucks bring your pos along and try and beat my swap. ill start in second and still kill you.

you must be one of those people who buys a stock ass civic, throws on an intake and exhaust and think they can smoke everyone because the ads say you get 30hp from their new tech exhaust.

dont come on here talkin shit about others when you have nothing to show for it. and while 91civic did make a valid point that didnt exactly help the guy or answer his question.

Originally posted by Options
I cannot begin to experss the overwhelming sespool of emotions that are welling up inside of me. The general stupidity of the comments you people are making with the exception of 91civicdxdude are damaging to my existince. First off, what happened to the general rule of "tuning" your vehicle. Getting the most out of your motor with the least ammount of money spent. I thought that's what this whole hobby was based on, hence tuning... Now days everyone is all swap swap swap, what's most pitiful about that is with $500 put into my stock motor I will beat any swap out there. Send his cam out to get a regrind, put some pm6 pistons in there, an ex head gasket, knife edging the crank, and some home brew p&p, that will get him into the 14.5's if he drops some weight. Provided, he advances his timing and runs some racing fuel.
To all of you who suggested a turbo costs from 1500 to 3500 is outragous. I'm suprised you all didn't pay over 20grand for your car. If you want a cheap turbo setup that will equal the preformance of a garret turbo go to homemadeturbo.com and talk to people who know what they are talking about.
And finally, those of you who obviously don't know what they're talking about, keep your mouth shut and leave building motors for those of us who actually know what they're doing. Perhaps you should concentrate more on what type of wing you're going to put on your piece of rice.



Hey dude, you're missing some hub caps....

Naw, took em off my self:wink:

Options i think youre the moron here. this guy wants to keep up with modded z28's and trans am's. you think his car with body kit and system could hit a 14.5 with a high compression ex motor? you have got to be kidding me. i like tuning but i believe in starting with a strong base as well. he needs to hit 13's to keep up with those other cars and an NA ex motor would never do that with his exterior mods. turbocharging the ex would be good too but it would never equal an ls turbo. i dont think there is anything wrong with engine swaps. that is still considered tuning no matter what you say. oh and put 500 bucks into your engine and you could beat the rest of us? id love to see you try. when you get that 500 bucks bring your pos along and try and beat my swap. ill start in second and still kill you.


HAHAHAHA, your funny, i have an idea why dont you get an idea of what your talking about and then come back and talk to me. a NA ex motor could never hit 13's you say??? I beg to differ, All he needs to do is do some head work get some domed pistons, some beefer rods, and drop some weight w/ some basic bolt on's and he can run 13's While he is add it he should advance the timing a few degrees and get a cam with 272@60 duration, oh and im sorry if your to much of an idiot to know what those numbers mean. also boring out the throttle body wouldnt hurt at all. and when he goes to the track take off the whole exhaust system and he can run 13's. And yes if you gave me 500 dollars i would light you up like no tomorrow. oh one more thing if an ex motor could never run 13's explain to me how the fastest N/A civic is running 10's with an SOHC 1.6 liter motor?? Oh i forgot you cant because your just another ricer like all the rest, stick with your wings and body kits and leave racing to people who actually know what there talking about. In the mean time go look up what those numbers mean and then once you have a glimpse of what im talking about come back here with your swap and get your ass owned by a SOHC 1.6 liter and then go home and tell your women your a pussy.

damn someone needs laid

man o man... I can hardly see from the tears of laughter in my eyes

wow options you are an idiot. first of all dont talk about me being a ricer especially when youre the one with a stock ass hx with an intake thinking you are the shit. you dont even know what i drive and you already assume you can beat me and that i have a big body kit and a spoiler. what a fag. ill have you know that my eg hatch has a fully built ls/vtec engine that would make your piece of shit look like it is going in reverse. keep in mind i helped build the engine. it doesnt have any body kit or wing so you can suck my ass on that one. oh and about his car running 13's with a built ex motor? id LOVE to see time slips for that. especially when he has full interior, big system, and a body kit. that civic you are talking about that ran 10's with a sohc motor has nothing to do with this guy. did i ever say sohc's were slow? no retard, but for his car to get into 13's with an ex motor, especially NA, it would cost more then a b18b turbo which would be faster in the long run anyways, not to mention more reliable. that 10 second civic is a full tube frame chassis with a fiberglass body, absolutely no interior and in no way is it streetable, so dont compare apples and oranges.

dont talk down to me either you little bitch. i know more about engines then you could ever imagine. yah why doesnt he take off his exhaust that way he'll run 13's. man what a moron. heard of something called backpressure? ill let you figure that one out on your own. oh and about the 272 degree cam. that would require an entirely new valvetrain, not to mention it would idle like crap. this guy wants to be able to drive his car everyday and be comfortable.

p.s.
hey moron at least i have a woman to go home to. im not a loser like you who looks forward to goin home to their right hand, a kleenex, and some ky jelly. hey man wipe off your monitor, your aim is off.
Options:loser:

oh and miataracer, why you cryin again? which part did you think was funny?

oh and one more thig options, once you get that 500 bucks into your car id love to race you. ill give you second gear advantage too you homo. well see what your hx can do against my 14 second hatch. oh and it ran 14's when it was still untuned and with a stock head. not to mention full interior and crappy tires. now things are a little different. so let me know :biggrin2:

This whole thing has been pretty funny. I don't know either of you but edman I have read posts here and there about your ls/vtec so I can believe that. Its just funny how someone asks a serious question and people who don't really know start giving advice. Then people who probably do know what they are talking about start picking eachother apart. AND THIS IS NOT TO SAY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, OPTIONS. Take it easy fella... :wink: I do not intend to have it taken that way. That is why I said I don't know either of you. It pretty much all goes back to the volley of posts from one person to the other about who is right/who is wrong. Lets all gang up on the people who talk out their @sses about how to mod cars, that would be much more fun! Where is the Honda Spyda when you need him anyway?? Personally, I don't like to give advice of any kind unless I am pretty damn sure what I am saying is correct. I think a lot of people on this forum are good people and have knowledge to be shared but they get way too serious and offended over what gets said. I also think I have said too much already. I am sure someone will proy get pissed at me now and point out the fact that all I drive is a crappy stock 94 ex with 160K on it and I am a new guy around here. Oh well, it's all good. I love my car and if I know how to help someone I will do so, if I don't know, I will keep my d@mn mouth shut. :bloated:

That is my long-winded post for the night/morning!

Watching an pissing contest in a chat forum is always funny. Miata, i'm in the same boat as you, I've got a stock '00 Civic EX coupe, only i don't know jack about cars. But i'm here to learn. The hard part is separating the good info from the bad, although the occasional bitch fights that break out are funny.
Where oh where has the Spyda/Spyder disappeared to? Those crab rims, i mean, Spyer rims were so dope! :lol:

i understand exactly what youre saying miata but i really cant stand people giving innaccurate advice especially when they are giving the advice to someone who wouldnt know any better. not to mention he is convinced his info is correct and wont listen to reason. the only reason i get into piss fights is to try and keep the information that i know is correct on top. i dont want this guy going out and spending 5k on a built ex motor and not getting the 13's he expected because Options told him so.

i dont give advice unless im absolutely sure as well. oh and when someone starts calling me a ricer who doesnt know about engines i take it personally. im only 16 but i have been studying cars since i was 8 years old. and for those of you haters out there, no my mommy and daddy did not give me the money for my car and mods. i worked my ass off for 3 summers to earn what i got and when someone tries to degrade that i get irritated.

ok i think im done unless Options says something else stupid.:icon16:

dont talk down to me either you little bitch. i know more about engines then you could ever imagine. yah why doesnt he take off his exhaust that way he'll run 13's. man what a moron. heard of something called backpressure? ill let you figure that one out on your own. oh and about the 272 degree cam. that would require an entirely new valvetrain, not to mention it would idle like crap. this guy wants to be able to drive his car everyday and be comfortable.

First off im not TELLING him to do ne thing im simply giving him my 2 cents, and to get a 272 cam he does not need a completely new valve train, it will go right in, I know because ive helped do it.

BACKPRESSURE, HAHAHAHA you dont want ne backpressure.

Backpressure is the most widely mis-used terms there is.

"THE TRUTH OF BACKPRESSURE"

Backpressure is used on engines to

(1) help with fuel economy
(2) help with meeting emissions laws

On a tuned high performance engine Backpressure is not needed in fact Backpressure will hinder HP gains. There was a test done in SCC car magazine where they did a header comparison on a B18C in a Acura Integra and guess what just for fun they did a dyno run with no header at all. The run with out a header made more gains threw out the full RPM range than any header they tested. Now keep in mind no header no Backpressure.

Now you say you dont give advice unless your completely sure, well i suggest that you go back and do more reading because obviously you do not know what your talking about, now im not saying your stupid or ne thing im simply stating that you dont know everything, you claim to.

especially when he has full interior, big system, and a body kit.

Maybe if you read my posts a little closer i said if he dropped some weight he could get into the 13's I NEVER said he could do it with full interior.

Originally posted by edman24


who looks forward to goin home to their right hand, a kleenex, and some ky jelly. hey man wipe off your monitor




My keyboard is sticky too. 333333333399994833333333 sorry, the numbers were stuck downnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. ooops


you may know engines, but I KNOW KY jelly... That shit helps me get 10's nightly.....

giddy up lube

so youre saying you run a 272 cam on stock valvetrain for an everyday car? i wonder how long that lasted :rolleyes: i never said it wouldnt fit. what i meant was that running such a high lift cam on stock valve springs and retainers runs a very high risk of binding (if you know what that is). also about backpressure, without the header it may have generated greater overall hp but what about the torque curve? remember this is an everyday car he is driving!! not to mention the fact that even if he did remove the exhaust how much power would that actually give him? maybe 1/10 off his quarter. also about dropping weight. the guy clearly stated he has all the body kit, and sounds he needs so now he wants the go portion. nowhere in that post did it mention that he would consider removing any of it for a faster quarter mile. and i doubt he would consider it because of the time and money spent on that kind of stuff. i read your posts twice over and yes you did state he must lose weight but when being asked a question you answer in a way that suits the person asking the question. and i highly doubt this guy wants to hear that he has to lose his show and sounds for a quicker quarter time.

oh and Swonder im glad you are enjoying yourself:dogpile:

Originally posted by edman24
wow options you are an idiot. first of all dont talk about me being a ricer especially when youre the one with a stock ass hx with an intake thinking you are the shit.

Edman24... If you look real close, I mean real close... You'll see that he drives a DX. Not to say you make yourself look like an ass, well, yeah, yeah you do. Anyway, just thought I'd point that out.

Originally posted by JDMAccordLX


Edman24... If you look real close, I mean real close... You'll see that he drives a DX. Not to say you make yourself look like an ass, well, yeah, yeah you do. Anyway, just thought I'd point that out.


You don't gotta look that close, you can tell cuz the throttle body is pointed up, not sideways

ok see edman24, you a whole lot of people on here is reason why everyday, more and more i want to prove all you swappers wrong, you talk about how you cant get any good power out of a dx or ex or lx or any d series motor, well im with options, i would rather spend about 3000 less on my d15b7 than you and your 5 or 6 grand motor and probably spank your ass, i mean maybe not but hey alot of us arent trying to build a motor for speed alot of us do it cause it gets us away from the women and it is a hobby, OH YEAH and by the way i was building motors when you were a cum stain on the wall, so yes if you do it right you can build a 13 second or even 12 second d series motor, all you have to do is just research and ask shops and get the right parts put in and it can be done, so you dont come on here with your 16 year old ass thinking you know more than everyone else, cause you dont, there are guys on here that know more than will ever think about knowing and have been building motors as long as your parents have been around, but i will give you this much, i do admire you for stating that you worked your ass off for everything you have, cause i am the same way, my parents never bought me a car, i bought every car i have ever owned.......

well i think i gave my :2cents: worth on the subject..

what difference does it make if he drives an dx or an hx? oh my bad the throttle body is positioned differently and the cat is right up with the header on the hx models not to mention different wheels. im sorry i must really look like an ass because the dx and hx models are COMPLETELY different.:bloated:

oh and candlaudio where in my posts did it say that there was no way to make a d series motor do 13's? if you read close enough youll see that i never said that. i said that a built d series motor in this guys car would not do 13's due to the weight and size of rims he is probably running. i mean i have a friend with a high compression d16 running 13's in an EG hatch so its not surprizing.

also i never said i knew more then everybody and i dont know why people always interpret arguements that way. i was trying to prove that i know what i am talking about and in this situation i understood what was going on a little better then Options did.

oh and id still love to see someone with a DX with only 1k worth of mods try and beat me. i will never believe that until it happens (which i doubt it will) but if anyone wants to prove me wrong ill definitely be up for the challenge.:biggrin2:

dang... this has turned into a bitchfight! lol i apreciate both sides of the argument tho! lol and i must say, that both have very valid points and idea's. although i think both go a lil misconstrued. however ed, u seemed to keep in mind more than others that i want to keep what i have, all my show and sound... i like it... if others can, have both i want it too! but i have seen fast as shit ex's. infact last night... i saw another civic ex... looked kinda nice.... sounded kinda nice... start to jack around with the guy... he looks... laughs and downshifts with a mad turbo scream and wipes his ass with me!!! FINNALY caught up with him after he pulled into a parking lot... start talkin with him... she's a 1.7 ltr sohc v-tech... same freakin civic as me... but she's runnin 13's. however she's turbo'd! (i dont think options likes the turbo's very much, buy hey... thats still freakin A!!) also.... in light of turbo's , my tuner (a guy strait outa Japan. gets kinda hard to understand when he talks fast lol, ) is promising and guanteeing that if i let him turbo my civic , same motor and everything she'll do 12's... or my money back!! and he's been doing this guantee on sohc d series engines for 11 years... and he gets a lil pissy when u tell him u dont believe...he drives a sohc d series engine and it does it... he's very strait up, and provides plenty of proof and a freakin money back guantee!! also, all the garb on the street say's that he know's his shit, and will do whatever he says he can!!! however... it is a 3k job, for a f-max turbo kit and tune. so he firmly believes in my sohc, and loves the engine ( why else would he have one) however also in engine swaps! on his show floor he has a pre-set up engine (i believe a B series) turbo'd and for the entire swap its 8k, but he says if done right that engine alone is a 10 sec. its the shit...and he says, that with a swap i may have more potential in the future... but he says i can also take what i want outa my d-16a2. both sides have solid foundations...!! and me being the one who is supposed to bennifet from ur ideas apreciates both sides because i believe that both had good thoughts, and points...! so thanx yo!! however... i found that for the same price as i can sell my civic for, i can pick up a VR-4 (stock 13.3 1/4, and for and extra 3 bills she'll do 12s!) so ive kinda been giving thought to that... (hence the "change in ride" statement) so what r ya'lls thoughts on that ??? as opposed to the civic... (another thing i finnaly realized is just how many people have modded up civics!!!!! i mean dam!!! i knew there were alot, but i never quite realized the magnatude... so im discouraged about not having anything special!! it used to be my effects but im seeing more and more of those now too! sooo... one more towards the VR-4, and any thoughts would again be apreciated!! ) thanx

dude... lay... off... the... speed... pills...
wtf is a 1.7 liter sohc, or d16a2?
Originally posted by Trogdor
all my show and sound... i like it... if others can, have both i want it too! but i have seen fast as shit ex's. infact last night... i saw another civic ex... looked kinda nice.... sounded kinda nice... start to jack around with the guy... he looks... laughs and downshifts with a mad turbo scream and wipes his ass with me!!!

a 1.7 liter sohc v-tech is a d-16... for those of us less fortunate, who dont own a b series engine... ther is the single overhead cam d series engines from honda for us lessers (aka we actually have to buy our shit! lol j/k... naw i couldnt afford a si, but i picked up my ex for a realy good deal... and figure if nothin else i can swap a j-spec b series in there for only like 2k soo...) and im not takin speed... just stuck at work... need i say more lol :bloated:

Originally posted by Trogdor
a 1.7 liter sohc v-tech is a d-16
You've got to be shitting me.. 32 posts and you have the nerve to type this?

Let's see, where to begin, okay first of all it's VTEC not V-TECH like the phone.
A D16 is a 1.6 liter (hence the 16 in D16, and B18's are 1.8's etc.)
There is no such thing as a stock Honda 1.7 liter.

lol my bad dude... i meant 1.6! i know this, just.... one of those days.... :screwy: lol and then u put 1.7 so i just copy and pasted... thats what i meant tho! next, who the fuck cares how i spell vtech... u know what i meant... its not a fuckin grammar forum now is it...so back to the topic... any valuble input?

Yes there is a 1.7 liter Honda engine they are in the 7th gen hondas

going to add this link so I dont have to hear that I am dumb and honda does not make a vtec 1.7l engine so here read it.


YES IT IS TRUE HONDA DOES MAKE A 1.7 SOHC Vtec Engine


http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=18&article_id=3954

EW4 1.4L & 1.5L SOHC PGM-Fi '84-'87 Civic 60-92hp

D15B 1.5L SOHC non-VTEC '88-'95 Civic's 62-102hp

D16A1 1.6 L DOHC 86-89 Integra 86/87 113hp 88/89 118hp

D16A6 1.6L SOHC 88-91 Civic Si/ CRX Si 108hp

ZC JDM equivalent of D16A1 130ps

D16Z6 1.6L SOHC VTEC 92-95 Civic EX/Si 125hp

D16Y5 1.6L SOHC VTEC-E 96-00 Civic HX 115hp

D16Y7 1.6L SOHC non-VTEC 96+ Civic CX/DX/LX 106hp

D16Y8 1.6L SOHC VTEC 96+ Civic EX 127hp

B16A 1.6L JDM DOHC VTEC 89-91 Civic Si-R I/CRX Si-R, Integra RSi/XSi 160ps

B16A2/3 1.6L USDM DOHC VTEC 93-97 DelSol VTEC/99-00 Civic Si 160hp

B16A 1.6L JDM DOHC VTEC 92-95 Civic Si-R II/ 92-97 CRX DelSol SiR 170ps

B16B 1.6L JDM DOHC VTEC 98+ Civic Type R 185ps

D17A2 1.7L SOHC VTEC-E 01 Civic EX 127hp

D17A1 1.7L SOHC non-VTEC '01+ Civic DX/LX 115hp

B17A1 1.7L USDM DOHC VTEC 92-93 Integra GS-R 160hp

B18A1 1.8L USDM DOHC non-VTEC 90-93 Integra RS/LS/GS 90-91: 130hp / 92-93: 140hp

B18B1 1.8L USDM DOHC non-VTEC 94-01 Integra RS/LS/GS 140hp

B18C 1.8L JDM DOHC VTEC 94+ Integra SiR-G 180ps

B18C1 1.8L USDM DOHC VTEC 94+ Integra GS-R 170hp

B18C5 1.8L USDM DOHC VTEC 97+ Integra Type R 195hp

B18C6/7 1.8L JDM DOHC VTEC 96+ Integra Type R 200ps

B20A5 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC 87-91 Prelude 2.0Si 135hp

B20B 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC 96-98 CR-V 126hp

B20Z 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC 99-01 CR-V 143hp

B21A1 2.1L DOHC non-VTEC 90-91 Prelude Si 145hp

K20A3 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC '02+ RSX
/'02+ Civic Si 160hp

K20A2 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 02+ RSX Type S
02+ Civic TypeR 200hp

K20A 2.0L JDM DOHC i-VTEC '02+ Integra Type R 220ps

F20A1 2.0L JDM DOHC non-VTEC 90-93 Accord Si 155hp

F20B 2.0L JDM DOHC VTEC 90-93 Accord Si-R 190ps

F20C1 2.0L DOHC VTEC '00+ S2000 250ps/240hp

F22A1 2.2L USDM non-VTEC 92-96 Prelude S 90-93 Accord LX/EX 130hp-135hp

F22B 2.2L USDM SOHC VTEC 94-97 Accord EX/97 2.2CL 145hp

F23A5 2.3L USDM SOHC 98+ Accord DX 135hp

F23A1 2.3L USDM SOHC VTEC 98+ Accord EX & LX/98-99 2.3CL 150hp

F23A4 2.3L USDM SOHC ULEV VTEC 98+ Accord EX & LX 148hp

H22A1 2.2L USDM DOHC VTEC 92-96 Prelude VTEC 190hp

H22A4 2.2L DOHC VTEC 97-01 Prelude VTEC/SH 97-98: 195hp 99-01: 200hp

H22A 2.2L JDM DOHC VTEC 92+ Prelude Type-S, 97+ Prelude SiR S Spec 220ps

H23A1 2.3L USDM DOHC non-VTEC Prelude Si 160hp

G25A1 2.5L USDM SOHC non-VTEC 96-98 2.5TL 176hp

J25A 2.5L JDM SOHC VTEC V6 JDM Honda Aspire/Sabre 200ps

C27?? 2.7L USDM SOHC non-VTEC V6 86-89 Legend 150-160hp

C27?? 2.7L USDM SOHC non-VTEC V6 95-97 Accord V6 170HP

C30A(?) 3.0L DOHC VTEC V6 91-96 NSX/NSX-T 270hp

J30A1 3.0L USDM SOHC VTEC V6 98-02 Accord V6/97-99 3.2CL 200hp

C32A6 3.2L USDM SOHC non-VTEC V6 91-95 Legend Sdn, 91-92 Legend Cpe 96-98 3.2TL 200hp

C32A5 3.2L USDM SOHC non-VTEC V6 94-95 Legend GS Sdn, 93-95 Legend Cpe 230hp

C32A? 3.2L DOHC VTEC- V6 97+ NSX/NSX-T 290hp

J32A1 3.2L USDM SOHC VTEC V6 98+ 3.2TL/3.2CL 225hp

J32A2 3.2L USDM SOHC VTEC V6 00+ 3.2CL Type-S, 01 3.2TL Type-S 260hp

C35A2 3.5L USDM SOHC non-VTEC V6 3.5RL 215-225hp

J35A1 3.5L USDM SOHC VTEC V6 98+ Odyessy 210hp

J35A3 3.5L USDM SOHC VTEC V6 Acura MDX 240hp


AS you can see honda does make a 1.7 liter it comes out of a 93 GSR, and the D17A1 has a 1.7 liter in it.

thank u! options man, i thought u had given up on this thread... thank u for not!! u seem to be a supreme fan of the sohc thats in my civic , but how do u feel about turbo'ing d series engines? know much about it? i believe that the guy will get her runnin 12.s with his turbo and tune, but im not sure about reliability... what do yall know about these things? second, im still lookin at that VR-4... anyone have any imput???

There is no such thing as a stock Honda 1.7 liter.

Really? I have one in my car.

D17A2, 127 HP, SOHC-VTEC, Stock EX 2003 engine.

turboing your d series is a good idea too. would have a lot more potential that an NA would. could boost 8 psi safely on stock internals and fuel system. with upgrades ive seen stock d series motors handling 12psi if not more for extended periods of time of course with great tuning and fuel delivery but its been done.if you built your d series then youd be a pimp and have one bad ass ride.

Originally posted by Trogdor
she's a 1.7 ltr sohc v-tech... same freakin civic as me...
Trogdor owns a 99 Civic EX, so to clarify my statement, there is no such thing as a 1999 Honda 1.7 litre.

right, settled... back to the point

ok first off i have a few ??
1. what upgrades would i have to do to my d16 to run 12 psi?
2. i have a y7 that i want to swiths out to a y8 head, and i have to wire the vtec, the problem with that is i do not know how to wire the vtec so if anybody could point me in the right direction on that as far as diagrams go that would be totally helpful.thanks:cool:

thank u! options man, i thought u had given up on this thread... thank u for not!! u seem to be a supreme fan of the sohc thats in my civic , but how do u feel about turbo'ing d series engines? know much about it? i believe that the guy will get her runnin 12.s with his turbo and tune, but im not sure about reliability... what do yall know about these things? second, im still lookin at that VR-4... anyone have any imput???

Yeah, im in the process of building a turbo setup for my d-series ive totaled the price up and its gonna come out to be about 900 dollars when it is all said and done, and this is for a custom turbo setup, and i should be able to run about 6 psi daily driven and about 9 psi safely at the track.

But yeah edman24 is right about what he said about turboing d-series.

Option I think I am going to follow in your foot step you let me know how you made your turbo and I am going to make one cuz I am tired of my friends down Honda's when i know that my car can be just as fast if not faster

with ur 9 track psi how fast u predict it should run ? u think that with an f-max turbo kit and tune from this guy 12.s is a very real and safe for my engine time? i believe he can do it, but i dont know what tole it will take on my poor lil d

Originally posted by Redrunner
Option I think I am going to follow in your foot step you let me know how you made your turbo and I am going to make one cuz I am tired of my friends down Honda's when i know that my car can be just as fast if not faster

Right on, my homemade turbo should be done in about 2 weeks, all i need to get is my intercooler which im probably gonna be picking up on Monday, a BOV, turbo timer, and Boost controller then ill be ready to go, ill keep you posted on my progress.

with ur 9 track psi how fast u predict it should run ? u think that with an f-max turbo kit and tune from this guy 12.s is a very real and safe for my engine time? i believe he can do it, but i dont know what tole it will take on my poor lil d

at 9 psi i plan to be runnin a 13.6-13.9 on stock internals but i wanna get some beefer rods so i will have less of a chance of bending on, because when you turbo a d-series on stock internals thats usually the first thing that happens.

very sweet!

Originally posted by Options
at 9 psi i plan to be runnin a 13.6-13.9
My buddy ran a 14.4 on 9psi in his '00 turbo EX. 13.6-13.9 sounds a little low, but not impossible...

Originally posted by Ricochet

My buddy ran a 14.4 on 9psi in his '00 turbo EX. 13.6-13.9 sounds a little low, but not impossible...

Well considering i beat most ex's when it comes to stock on stock and considering the DX tranny is far better then the ex tranny as far as turboing goes becuase its longer i think its possible, plus im doing some decent fuel management upgrades as well.

I think i can break into the 13's but thats just an estimate it could be higher or lower we wont know for sure until i try. Ill keep you guys posted.

how come you beat EX stock and I cant is it bc you lower PSI in tires or bc you have a RPM Gauge in your car

maybe he's a better driver than you :thefinger jk dude. i kept up with my friends 02 ex and his engine is 1.7 liter vtec and mine is a 1.6 vtec-e. he also has a cai and a catback exhaust and at the time my car was completely stock. i had a few hunder pounds less in weight and i was told i'm a better driver than him so it comes down to little things. just a thought

Originally posted by Redrunner
how come you beat EX stock and I cant is it bc you lower PSI in tires or bc you have a RPM Gauge in your car

I dunno, all i know is i have never lost to an ex around here when it comes to stock on stock, now im not saying im the supreme driver or ne thing, its just most of the people around here are ricers.

Ne way i think the reason i beat ex's is because of the way i launch, because i can beat GSR's to the 60ft mark, i launch my car in a very odd way but it works.

^ by all means... please enlighten me!!

teach us how to launch! :bigthumb:

yes I want that launch too I mean I beat a 99 and a 2001 off the line but mid 2nd gear they pull beside me and by the end of 2nd going in to 3rd they passed me and beat me by a car or so

so what am I doing wrong I never lose off the line I got one on the races on tape wish I could post it here

Originally posted by Options


at 9 psi i plan to be runnin a 13.6-13.9 on stock internals but i wanna get some beefer rods so i will have less of a chance of bending on, because when you turbo a d-series on stock internals thats usually the first thing that happens.

if you want to save some cash you can use a 1g DSM BOV, they are really good and inexpensive

Originally posted by 97civiclx
ok first off i have a few ??
1. what upgrades would i have to do to my d16 to run 12 psi?
2. i have a y7 that i want to swiths out to a y8 head, and i have to wire the vtec, the problem with that is i do not know how to wire the vtec so if anybody could point me in the right direction on that as far as diagrams go that would be totally helpful.thanks:cool:

Well, to answer question #1, to run your D16 @ 12psi and not ruin it, you will need to build up/strengthen the internals, I.E, new stronger rods and pistons, vavles, springs, etc. closeing the deck is a very good idea also.

Also, Trogder, Options is right on the money. If you want to turbo your D16, run it at 6psi like is going to (for the street). You don't want to run more than that on the street. You may be able to run a little more at the track, but not much more. D-series engines bend rods easily, so don't boost it too much on stock internals. Options adivce for the about of boost to run on it i sound. You'll be fine driving with the boost @6psi.