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Eldalie
06-24-2003, 01:07 PM
Cars I hate:
· Opel/Vauxhall Vectra (all series)
· Volkswagen Bora/Jetta
· Peugeot 106 XSi
· Renault Clio 1.4 RT (the ones built sometime 1997-98)
· Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (this car is really a BAD JOKE)
· Toyota Corolla XL (1990 built - Europe)
· Lada VEGA 2110 1.5 16v Sport (What is so Sportive ?)
· Fiat Regatta & Fiat Regatta Weekend
· Trabant
· Wartburg (Except some models built in the mid 60's)

these are cars I do hate, it does not mean you have to hate em' too !
:bloated:

2strokebloke
06-24-2003, 02:41 PM
And why would anybody hate Warburg? (unless you mean the VW tainted ones)

Eldalie
06-24-2003, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by 2strokebloke
And why would anybody hate Warburg? (unless you mean the VW tainted ones)

Unfortunately I mean the VW tainted ones... :rolleyes:

PWMAN
07-02-2003, 10:57 AM
I agree with all but the Z28.??? What do you have against that, it's always been fast. Maybe if you said like a V6 car, now that is a joke.

Eldalie
07-02-2003, 12:50 PM
Since there is a Camaro SS I do hate the Camaro Z28 :) And I hate it because of that that there is a stupido at school who has a Camaro Z28, the only problem is he never has passed my car while driving on the way home back with my dad's S500 ;) and he always keeps on pushing when I'm at school with that car :)

Samruipart3
07-02-2003, 01:01 PM
Any shit box from Japan Yugoslavia Africa
But not From the rest of Europe and USA
Well I do you can't change me so don't try.

Hudson
07-02-2003, 01:07 PM
How many cars can you name from Africa?

tigermiata
07-02-2003, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by Hudson
How many cars can you name from Africa?

Dang few if you exclude those shipped KD from England and assembled in South Africa.

Samruipart3
07-02-2003, 01:34 PM
Africar , South African Plymouth
there 2 companies
and there are cars from Venezuala too non U.S.A.
Here is an Africar I posted below from 1970

YogsVR4
07-05-2003, 05:42 PM
No "car I hate list" is complete without mentioning the Azcrap at least once.

PWMAN
07-05-2003, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
No "car I hate list" is complete without mentioning the Azcrap at least once.

That vehicle(if you can call it that)was a flop. I can't believe anybody bought one, how stupid can you be?????

Chris V
07-09-2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by PWMAN


That vehicle(if you can call it that)was a flop. I can't believe anybody bought one, how stupid can you be?????

Turns out they have the highest build quality of any other GM vehicle, and ranks higher in the JD Powers Owner satisfaction surveys than any other van/SUV. Obviously people who bought one weren't shallow poseurs who only were worried about appearances...

Maybe they were even people who liked function wrapped in a quirky package, and didn't want to buy yet another "me too" mobile...

I don't know. But I don't go around saying people with tattoos and body peircings are stupid because I don't share their aesthetic values... And no one who buys a vehicle that serves their purposes and they like, can be called stupid.

PWMAN
07-09-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Chris V

Obviously people who bought one weren't shallow poseurs who only were worried about appearances...

And no one who buys a vehicle that serves their purposes and they like, can be called stupid.

If someone bought an Aztec and KNEW it was ugly then they are stupid.
There is plenty of selection of other brands that are similar, no one forced anybody to buy one.

Eldalie
07-10-2003, 03:17 AM
Excuse me but, what is a Aztec by the way ? Is it so ugly that no one dares to post a picture :)

blasian_man
07-10-2003, 03:21 AM
it is ugly, but i have to show you

http://www.pontiac.com/aztek/index.jsp?source=hmlnav

Eldalie
07-10-2003, 02:16 PM
Awful, I never realised that a American Company could build such an ugly car... I don't know how I'm going to sleep tonight... it shivers down my spine... :puke:
:bananadie:
I'm glad that I'm living and travelling in Europe right now... So I don't have to see such a "car". But I'm comming to the U.S.A. in August what am I going to do when I see such a "car" :bloated:

Chris V
07-10-2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by PWMAN


no one forced anybody to buy one.

You're right. No one did. But you'd certainly like to try to force people to buy only what YOU like. The owners satisfaction rating and quality ratings show that they weren't stupid. Just because you're not in to the Sci-fi dune buggy looks doesn't change that fact.

Interestingly enough, the most popular cars on teh market are extremely bland and unexiting. But people aren't stupid for buying bland and unexiting, if the car itself serves their purposes, right?

Good way to show what a closed mind you have. Is that a goal around here? "Hey, look at me! I can close my mind tighter than anyone else!"

Personally, I find it a better goal to look for things I like in cars rather than look for things to hate. But then again, I've been at it for decades.

Chris V
07-10-2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Eldalie
But I'm comming to the U.S.A. in August what am I going to do when I see such a "car"?

Easy, Get over it. If you're so mentally and physically weak that a couple folds of sheetmetal on a vehicle do this to you, maybe you need to see a physician. Or a phychologist, because something is seriously wrong with you.

PWMAN
07-10-2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Chris V


Easy, Get over it. If you're so mentally and physically weak that a couple folds of sheetmetal on a vehicle do this to you, maybe you need to see a physician. Or a phychologist, because something is seriously wrong with you.

Do you own an Aztec or what? Because obviously you like them. Anybody that has good taste knows that the Aztec is hideous. And having an open mind doesn't mean liking everything you see. And when was I frocing anybody to by something I like? I never gave any suggestions for a car for him to buy, I said there is plenty of other selections in the Aztecs class(if it has one). Since you seem to be the only person I've ever met or talked to that likes Aztecs, I'm going to say you are stupid too. Seriously, what can you find in the Aztec that you can't find elsewhere? Even a KIA Sorento looks better, and is probably cheaper I don't know.

fordjay16
07-10-2003, 09:18 PM
i dont like: cavaliers and civics, too many of both around and they look very similar

jon@af
07-10-2003, 10:38 PM
Id own an Aztek over a ford F-150. :thefinger I hate how everyone is saying that the Aztek is ugly as if it's a fuggin fact. IT'S NOT, OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTUAL. Just because you say the Aztek is ugly, doesnt make it so. It all depends on taste, and dont you dare say that anyone who buys an aztek has bad taste, just because YOU dont like the car they bought. Ive driven an aztek and must say that they are a very nice ride. You want an ugly vehicle? I think the toyota echo is ugly as sin, but that's just me. Does what I think mean anything? NO.

fordjay16
07-10-2003, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by ILike2DriveCars
Id own an Aztek over a ford F-150. :thefinger I hate how everyone is saying that the Aztek is ugly as if it's a fuggin fact. IT'S NOT, OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTUAL. Just because you say the Aztek is ugly, doesnt make it so. It all depends on taste, and dont you dare say that anyone who buys an aztek has bad taste, just because YOU dont like the car they bought. Ive driven an aztek and must say that they are a very nice ride. You want an ugly vehicle? I think the toyota echo is ugly as sin, but that's just me. Does what I think mean anything? NO.
:iagree:

Eldalie
07-11-2003, 03:38 AM
Bad taste doesn't mean that you have taste :iceslolan , and yes I'd like to see a psycholog after I've seen such a disasterous car. How can such a fine company as GM allow Pontiac to build such a crap and waste money into... CRAP... It's the same thing as I would vomit on a canvas and sell it as Art. :puke:

PWMAN
07-11-2003, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by ILike2DriveCars
Id own an Aztek over a ford F-150. :thefinger

Who said anything about a F150?
WTF

jon@af
07-11-2003, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by PWMAN


Who said anything about a F150?
WTF

No one did, Im just saying... I would rather own an Aztek over an F-150. Everyone is talking about how they hate the car, and Im talking about how I dont.

Jimster
07-11-2003, 07:26 PM
I can list plenty that is wrong with the Azcrap

*The Shitty 3.4 V6 from GM that makes the 3.8 look GOOD :eek:
*It is uglier than sin itself
*They call it an SUV- yet they offer a 2WD version
*It has similar offroad capabilities to a Civic in 4WD form
*The car may be the best quality GM product- but that doesn't say much........
*By all means the car is behind the times
*I'm not sure about things like the ride quality/refinement- but they probably suck as well (Since the car is more prone to body roll due to its SUV roots)


The list goes on- but the point is there is very little to commend about the Azcrap

fordjay16
07-11-2003, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Jimster
the point is there is very little to commend about the Azcrap

:iagree:

PWMAN
07-11-2003, 07:46 PM
LOL :lol:
:owned:
:bigthumb:

Eldalie
07-12-2003, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by Jimster
I can list plenty that is wrong with the Azcrap

*The Shitty 3.4 V6 from GM that makes the 3.8 look GOOD :eek:
*It is uglier than sin itself
*They call it an SUV- yet they offer a 2WD version
*It has similar offroad capabilities to a Civic in 4WD form
*The car may be the best quality GM product- but that doesn't say much........
*By all means the car is behind the times
*I'm not sure about things like the ride quality/refinement- but they probably suck as well (Since the car is more prone to body roll due to its SUV roots)


The list goes on- but the point is there is very little to commend about the Azcrap

:iagree:
:biggrin2:
:bigthumb:
:thefinger
:nutkick:
:bananasmi
:evillol:

jon@af
07-13-2003, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by Jimster
I'm not sure about things like the ride quality/refinement- but they probably suck as well (Since the car is more prone to body roll due to its SUV roots)


I agree Jim, I would rather see the inline 4.3 litre v6 in the aztek than the engine in it now. but other than that, everything else has never bee a problem for the customers who have bought an aztek from our dealership. The ride on them is great, I wish my car rode that nice, and my car has a pretty decent ride already. People like them(well, obviously not all) and that's all that really matters. You know for a fact that if the aztek weren't very popular, it would no longer be in production. Look at the Lincoln blackwood NOBODY wanted one of those, why? Because it was a poor excuse for a truck that had no purpose serve but try and look good. I wouldnt have paid $55,000 dollars for that vehicle ever.

killasoundz
07-13-2003, 01:49 PM
Aztek is a great car. sweet ride. not fast but itll go when it needs to. good stereo. my grandparents Aztek has 200,00miles on it and runs perfect never had a problem. sure its ugly...AND....that means jack-shit when you're inside of it and unable to notice. its a perfect people hauler for small families. it may not be full-off-road capable but it handled 3 1/2 feet of snow perfectly. its not even close to expensive. holds plenty of stuff and its quit. gets good gas mileage. now what the hell is wrong with that. in a couple years companies will come out with cars that look ten times uglier than this so if you dont like the look then i hope you go blind. never knock a car till youve driven it and used it for what it was built to do.

Chris V
07-14-2003, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Jimster
I can list plenty that is wrong with the Azcrap

*The Shitty 3.4 V6 from GM that makes the 3.8 look GOOD :eek:
*It is uglier than sin itself
*They call it an SUV- yet they offer a 2WD version
*It has similar offroad capabilities to a Civic in 4WD form
*The car may be the best quality GM product- but that doesn't say much........
*By all means the car is behind the times
*I'm not sure about things like the ride quality/refinement- but they probably suck as well (Since the car is more prone to body roll due to its SUV roots)


The list goes on- but the point is there is very little to commend about the Azcrap

Owners obviously don't think so, or is that fact lost on you?

I notice how you say "I'm not sure about things like ride/refinement, but" and then you go on to make a totally uniformed opinion.

Of course. Having totally uninformed opinions is SOOOO much more important than actually knowing what the hell you're talking about, isn't it? Typical of these forums. Make shit up, then call it opinion so you can't be held responsible for it, and let it go as though it's fact. Brilliant.

SUV doesn't mean 4wd, and never has. Just like the Sport part has never meant "motorsport" like it does in "sports car."

It isn't pretty, but there are fans of dune buggies, postal Jeeps, Unimogs, VW Things (the type 1812, if you don't know what that is) etc. But I see it as a kind of an Anime/SciFi dunebuggy/camper and in that role, it's no less pretty thatn teh land crawler in Damnation Alley, or the multi purpose cars in many sci fi movies and games. I'd get one and put a license plate on it that said "SO WHAT."

Jimster
07-14-2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Chris V


Owners obviously don't think so, or is that fact lost on you?

I notice how you say "I'm not sure about things like ride/refinement, but" and then you go on to make a totally uniformed opinion.

Of course. Having totally uninformed opinions is SOOOO much more important than actually knowing what the hell you're talking about, isn't it? Typical of these forums. Make shit up, then call it opinion so you can't be held responsible for it, and let it go as though it's fact. Brilliant.

SUV doesn't mean 4wd, and never has. Just like the Sport part has never meant "motorsport" like it does in "sports car."

It isn't pretty, but there are fans of dune buggies, postal Jeeps, Unimogs, VW Things (the type 1812, if you don't know what that is) etc. But I see it as a kind of an Anime/SciFi dunebuggy/camper and in that role, it's no less pretty thatn teh land crawler in Damnation Alley, or the multi purpose cars in many sci fi movies and games. I'd get one and put a license plate on it that said "SO WHAT."

mmmhhhmmmm.......Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are we??? first of all saying that a cars higher center of gravity makes cars more prone to lean (And I've seen an Aztek moving through a slalom- and that pig likes to lean)- especially when the suspension is a lot softer (As it is on these types of soggy American trash-mobiles) than your typical car (By that I mean saloon/hatch) is by no means an opinion that is fact

Because Pontiac (or Buick for that matter) never had an SUV (Or a "go anywhere" vehicle) in thier line-up until this thing came along- so it's clear these makers are trying to sell it as a go aywhere vehicle- without much success- but then again nobody takes SUV's offroad anyway

Eldalie
07-15-2003, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by Jimster


mmmhhhmmmm.......Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are we??? first of all saying that a cars higher center of gravity makes cars more prone to lean (And I've seen an Aztek moving through a slalom- and that pig likes to lean)- especially when the suspension is a lot softer (As it is on these types of soggy American trash-mobiles) than your typical car (By that I mean saloon/hatch) is by no means an opinion that is fact

Because Pontiac (or Buick for that matter) never had an SUV (Or a "go anywhere" vehicle) in thier line-up until this thing came along- so it's clear these makers are trying to sell it as a go aywhere vehicle- without much success- but then again nobody takes SUV's offroad anyway

...and the ones who made that mistake to buy such a "thing" are trying to save this "thing" ! :biggrin:

jon@af
07-15-2003, 11:12 AM
GOD, I am getting so sick and tired of these "lets bash the Aztek" Discussions:mad: . Everyone who keeps saying "this car sucks, it's ugly" SHUT UP. There are people out there who actually like the vehicle, and you know what? THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. If someone likes the vehicle then that means it will sell, and all your words of "it sucks" are pointless, because if someone buys it, then it obviously doesnt suck. And dont try that "they didnt know what they were getting into" crap, do you really think someone is just going to buy a car that they know nothing about? No, I sure as hell wouldnt. Now, can we PLEASE drop the subject of the Aztek, all it seems to do is cause tension between members, and I dont think anyone needs that because whenever a thread about this car emerges, it's always about how ugly it is. IT GETS REALLY F**KING OLD.

tigermiata
07-15-2003, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by ILike2DriveCars
GOD, I am getting so sick and tired of these "lets bash the Aztek" Discussions:mad: .

Moderators: could we please change the title of this forum to "Cars I Love/Cars I love" ?

:icesangel

jon@af
07-15-2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by tigermiata


Moderators: could we please change the title of this forum to "Cars I Love/Cars I love" ?

:icesangel

Read the rest of my post:bigthumb:

2strokebloke
07-15-2003, 02:02 PM
I hate the Aztek, this car sucks, it's ugly.

You can't tell people they should shut up just because they have an opinion that differs from your own. If you think that what people are saying about the Aztek is getting old, why don't you come on over to the Yugo forums and have a look around?
So what if the Aztek is ugly? every generation needs it own "AMC Gremlin" to laugh at in disgust, the Aztek is filling that role for the current generation.
Though come to think of it, how did this thread turn to the topic of the Aztek?

Eldalie
07-15-2003, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by 2strokebloke
So what if the Aztek is ugly? every generation needs it own "AMC Gremlin" to laugh at in disgust, the Aztek is filling that role for the current generation.[/B]

:iagree: & excuse me but, this car really sucks :biggrin:

jon@af
07-15-2003, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by 2strokebloke
I hate the Aztek, this car sucks, it's ugly.

You can't tell people they should shut up just because they have an opinion that differs from your own. If you think that what people are saying about the Aztek is getting old, why don't you come on over to the Yugo forums and have a look around?
So what if the Aztek is ugly? every generation needs it own "AMC Gremlin" to laugh at in disgust, the Aztek is filling that role for the current generation.
Though come to think of it, how did this thread turn to the topic of the Aztek?


I understand what you are saying. However, Ive been a member of this site for almost 9 months, and from the moment Ive joined, Ive been reading nothing but hate threads in the Aztek Forum, and Hate threads in here. What I mean when I say "Im getting tired of all these 'Lets Bash The Aztek' Discussions" is that, no matter where I look I see someone has started a hate thread on this vehicle, that they have probably never driven. That's what I mean when I say "IT'S GETTING REALLY F**KING OLD." Also, I respect opinions, Im simply defending a vehicle that I dont see as the "crap" everyone else defines it as.

Another thing I must concur with is, how DID this get turned into an Aztek hate thread? New car, toyota echo, any thoughts?

PWMAN
07-15-2003, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Eldalie


this car really sucks

Oh, it's a car? I thought it was a spaceship. My bad...:eek:

jon@af
07-15-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Eldalie


excuse me but, this car really sucks :biggrin:

You've only just SEEN one. You've never even driven one, but hey, ok, whatever.

PWMAN
07-15-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by ILike2DriveCars


You've only just SEEN one. You've never even driven one, but hey, ok, whatever.

Based on the outside appearence I don't think I want to even know what it looks like inside...

jon@af
07-15-2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by PWMAN


Based on the outside appearence I don't think I want to even know what it looks like inside...

Ever heard "don't judge a book by its cover" ?

I quit, Im done wasting my time on people who are bashing a car that they have never even driven or been inside of. This is the last post I will make in this thread because obviously what I say has no point. No, I dont have a problem with your opinions, I have a problem with them being based soley on the fact that you think the car is ugly, not because you've ridden in one/driven one/owned one. Good day.

Eldalie
07-16-2003, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by PWMAN
Based on the outside appearence I don't think I want to even know what it looks like inside...

:thumbsup: , by the way thanks to GM for NOT exporting this car to Europe.

davewin
07-16-2003, 05:21 PM
This one probably wasn't a bad car but I didn't like the way it looked at all: Infiniti J30 (early '90s). It was weird and bulbous with a sloping trunk.

The_ScareCrow
07-16-2003, 09:54 PM
I really do wish people wouldnt go by what others say about vehicles. Everyone says the Aztek sucks, so it's cool to say that yourself, even though you and the person who said in the first place have never taken the vehicle for a drive. My family owns one of these vehicles and there is nothing wrong with it on the inside or out for that matter. All this talk of ugliness, mere opinion which means nothing to anyone, just like this opinion(my own).

Eldalie
07-17-2003, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by PWMAN


Oh, it's a car? I thought it was a spaceship. My bad...:eek:

First I thought it was a muckwagon... :iceslolan

Chris V
07-17-2003, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Jimster
[B]

mmmhhhmmmm.......Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are we??? first of all saying that a cars higher center of gravity makes cars more prone to lean (And I've seen an Aztek moving through a slalom- and that pig likes to lean)- especially when the suspension is a lot softer (As it is on these types of soggy American trash-mobiles) than your typical car (By that I mean saloon/hatch) is by no means an opinion that is fact


If the car was marketed and designed as a competitor to low slung sports cars, your opinion would have merit. As it is, it's fecking stupid. Talk about the "sharpest knife in the drawer" huh? Just because you think it's more important to hate a car
than to be a knowledgeable well rounded automotive enthusiast doesn't mean that OTHER people aren't smart.

Ask some of your fellow moderators from the beginning about me from the old Car Forums days...

I've been involved in more types of cars, and building race cars, street rods, sports cars, etc than you will EVER be, and probably know more about vehicle dynamics than you, as well.

Go ahead, blast this post too. It's what you're good at.

Jimster
07-18-2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Chris V



If the car was marketed and designed as a competitor to low slung sports cars, your opinion would have merit. As it is, it's fecking stupid. Talk about the "sharpest knife in the drawer" huh? Just because you think it's more important to hate a car
than to be a knowledgeable well rounded automotive enthusiast doesn't mean that OTHER people aren't smart.

Ask some of your fellow moderators from the beginning about me from the old Car Forums days...

I've been involved in more types of cars, and building race cars, street rods, sports cars, etc than you will EVER be, and probably know more about vehicle dynamics than you, as well.

Go ahead, blast this post too. It's what you're good at.

Firstly don't say that you are more involved in race cars/sports car building than I'll ever be- you are an old fart mate- you've been doing this since I was playing with Tonka trucks- I'll admit that to ya- but I'm still young- only 28- and even in that time I've turned- with help from family/mates a BMW 2002 Turbo into a targa car- that performed quite nicely thank you- and ever since I was 23 I've owned and customised 16 cars and kept a fair few more stock. These are also late-model Japanese/European cars- I've overcome technology barriers to make these pretty decent performance cars- Modifying V8's/street rods is easy- the American cars are prehistoric always have been always will be- America is a simple country of simple people (although California is a different story all together) I perfer the rewards of working with small cars- especially when they threaten V8's. To say you are better than I will EVER be is arrogance mate.


As for the Aztek- I'm saying that the Aztek rivals other Minvans/Estates with similar purposes- but lower centers of gravity (Depending on height) but once again like most American family cars they are too soft- and thats the only way the Pontiac Gets away with it- because there is nothing better or worse on the American market- however in Europe our minivans/estates- like the Peugeot 807, VW Sharan or Renault Espace drive much like your typical 406, PAssat or Laguna- y'see we have coners on our very small continent- and a lot of mountains so we have to go around the corners with the least discomfort possible- thats why the Opel Sintra failed dismally, thats why the Chrysler Voyager was modified before being made in Graz.

And I am a very well rounded car enthusiast- I've had a long love affair for cars of all types- but first they must be good at what they do- ie I like Peugeots because they are great Economical cars- the Aztek falls short here- if it was a radically styled Minivan- I might respect it more- but it's an SUV wannabe and that doesn't go down well in my book.

Yeah and I'm sorry about the "not the sharpest knife in the drawer" comment- perhaps it was a bit out of line- I appreciate your experince with automotive things- I just hope the arrogance that I saw come with it- isn't something you usually associate yourself with :smile:

YogsVR4
07-18-2003, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Jimster
America is a simple country of simple people (although California is a different story all together)

Yeah - thats not insulting :disappoin

jon@af
07-18-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Jimster

America is a simple country of simple people (although California is a different story all together)


Yup, you sure know us all :bigthumb: :slap:

Jimster
07-18-2003, 09:27 PM
geez guys- you c;early haven't been to Europe- after Europe I'm sure you'd enjoy the simplicity of the American life :redface:

Eldalie
07-19-2003, 04:52 AM
Yes I agree fully with Jimster that the continent we live in is much more complex than the American continent, especially in means of cars. That's why most American cars do not suceed in Europe ! By the way I'm also sure that simple does not mean the people are simple, there just... easy !

2strokebloke
07-19-2003, 02:14 PM
Europe complicated?! Please don't flatter yourselves.

Eldalie
07-19-2003, 03:07 PM
Yes we're complicated... Europeans ! Always !

zackiedawg
07-26-2003, 12:01 AM
OK...I'll try. What the heck! There were a few valiant attempts to get the thread back on topic...let me be the next 'simple American' (Ex-pat Brit citizen of Irish decent) to try to get back to the "Cars I Hate" topic:

(Oh, the usual disclaimer...I don't REALLY hate these cars...I wouldn't try to run them off the road, or harm the owners. I am using the term 'hate' in the fun-loving context of the thread. And of course, these are only my guaranteed free speech opinions, enforced and protected by the simple government of the simple country in which I am now living)

The "I hate (non malice) them" list:

Fiat Multipla
Pontiac Aztek
Ford Excursion
Honda Civic (in whole-grain rice mode only)
Toyota Camry, most recent design
Chevrolet Cavalier / Pontiac Sunfire J-body
Honda Element
BMW Bangle-designed 7-Series, 5-series, and Z4

Eldalie
07-26-2003, 06:29 AM
Yeah !

Chris Bangle s*cks since BMW !

Jay2002WS6
08-13-2003, 02:23 PM
Jimster -

Chris V knows his shit. He may not have many posts here, but he has mountains of posts and experience in other places.

His points are exactly right. The Aztek does what it is supposed to do. It meets the niche it was looking to meet, and like it or not, HAS MANY SATISFIED CUSTOMERS. On top of all that, it meets its #1 goal -- it sells, and it's profitable.

Personally, I could never get past the Aztek's looks to buy one. My eyes tell me it is indeed ugly. But facts are facts, and the Aztek sells, whether this is in accordance with the Jimster's feelings or not - it really doesn't matter.

Chris V also represents himself in the above argument as far more intelligent. Saying things like "Americans are simple minded" or "American cars are prehistoric" and implying that American's quality or performance doesn't measure up to the rest of the world makes you, YES YOU, look ignorant.

zackiedawg
08-13-2003, 04:25 PM
Jay,

Just as an FYI, not to say I disagree with the context of your argument, but the Aztek is NOT selling well, has never sold well, and has indeed been slated for removal from the market after 2004 models, despite the redesign to try to get people over the awkward appearance of the vehicle.

Even GM superman Bob Lutz, who lauded GM for making the Aztek, admitted it just missed the target too much...it was too polarizing in appearance, and the typical GM cheap plastics and grey parts littering the interior, and the ribbed cladding all over the exterior, did nothing for it.

Sadly, in functionality, it is a half-decent and capable vehicle which could have competed against other minivans. But the attempt to market it as an SUV was misguided; it couldn't handle off-road activities as well as the SUV, and it was surpassed in passenger and cargo versatility by the minivans. It was also hobbled by a bad decision by GM to use the ancient and underpowered 3100 engine, when the stronger, torquier and reliable 3800 was available, which could even be used in supercharged form to compete with the 240HP Sienna and Odyssey.

Once you round off the wheel well arches (instead of the awkward and pointless squared-off design used on the Aztek), eliminate the hood-mounted upper turnsignals (which created an awkward, heavy front end appearance) and the upper grill openings (again...too busy, with under-bumper intakes, a central grill, and two additional slots at the top of the hood), paint the entire vehicle body color, remove all the plastic cladding, and put some nice rims on the vehicle...it becomes a much nicer-looking and more appealing vehicle while losing none of its functionality:
http://members.webjnky.com/albums/All-Other-Cars/Widebody_Aztek_photochop.sized.jpg
Compare the above photoshopped version to this stock one:
http://a7.cpimg.com/image/ED/39/6779117-bfaf-0280017C-.jpg

Had Pontiac done it this way from the beginning, there may have been a chance for a great success. Instead, the Aztek is slated for an early production death next year.

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