4banger vs. 8banger

woo hoo..:D i took out a mustang on a high speed corner today... was gonna spin out and start to loose it and i just floored it just to piss em off and it did cause on the straight he just romped the throttle and took off but its all good cause he coudnt on the cornas so its all good(94 mustang)

:thefinger this is what i think of em

anywayz i know the guy, i just detest this guy so much thats all

:dogpile: got props from teh civic boyz

yah i know im lacking the grammar buts its all good point proven:D

Not a big victory but one just as well but try and keep it in the right section. " Street/trackracing stories "

I am not impressed...

Originally posted by TheNotoriousMogg
I am not impressed...

:bigthumb: AF's #1 Asshole! .....don't get mad SkylineNoDoubt...he's just doin his job:loser:

mustangs are pussies, i eat them all the time

Originally posted by RoBoDEATH
mustangs are pussies, i eat them all the time
That's like bragging about beating up a retard. Good job.

Originally posted by Ricochet

That's like bragging about beating up a retard. Good job.

i've got an idea, how about i ignore you from now on

:loser: :thefinger

Or better, you could go to college, learn how to spell, take all those gay little R emblems and altezzas off your rainbow ride, then you won't catch shit from me or others in the future. Just a thought.

AF's #1 Asshole! no that would be sparq

Originally posted by RoBoDEATH
mustangs are pussies, i eat them all the time

oh christ :rolleyes: blah-blah-blah :rolleyes:

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
no that would be sparq

CHANGED HIS SIG...OH WELL

Mustangs are pussies? I think it's a little easier for a mustang to say a Civic is a pussy. Well, at least the Mustang driver can back his statement up. Let's see, he's got a bigger, more powerful engine with RWD. Oh yeah, and Mustangs are faster. How can anyone argue otherwise? HOW? It just doesn't make sense to think a 4 cyl, FWD economy car is faster! Anyone who has ever opened a car magazine or driven a car knows that muscle cars outperform economy cars. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. Sure, a Kia Sephia can be made fast too with a supercharger, NOS, and a whole hell of a lot of engine reinforcements, but a Kia Sephia still isn't a fast car. Check on the Civic's main competitors - they are cars like the Hyundai Accent, Kia Sephia, and Chevy Cavalier. Those aren't performance vehicles and neither is the Civic. You guys are nuts.

Wow, Chevy pulling for Ford, has hell frozen over???:lol:

Mustangs are not unbeatable by 4-bangers. I've been in my bro's 99 Si when he's taken a late model GT. I was surprised, as well as impressed. It's by no means impossible...

sorry but gt's dont impress me any, cobra's and roushe's and some old 5.0's impress me but mid to late 90's gt's dont do anything for me

ive beatin a sligtly modded gt in a celica gts stock and thas a 4cyl

now z28's and ss's are a diff story im deff not gonna mess with either until i get nitrous cuz i know i will get my ass handed to me no questions asked

Originally posted by Ricochet
Or better, you could go to college, learn how to spell, take all those gay little R emblems and altezzas off your rainbow ride, then you won't catch shit from me or others in the future. Just a thought.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :iceslolan :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :spit: :spit: :spit:

Thats damn funny


i forgot what i was going to post

O yea i beat a camaro in a corner. He was being an ass hongin two lanes like driving in the middle of the road so i drove up the side of him and my left side mirror was almost touching his right side one. Needless to say he was pissed off and started to tailgate me really bad. So i took a right he followed and i punched it in a corner. He couldn't keep up. Crap handling. I thought it was funny........ but my car was still crap.

Originally posted by 96z28SS
Mustangs are pussies? I think it's a little easier for a mustang to say a Civic is a pussy. Well, at least the Mustang driver can back his statement up. Let's see, he's got a bigger, more powerful engine with RWD. Oh yeah, and Mustangs are faster. How can anyone argue otherwise? HOW? It just doesn't make sense to think a 4 cyl, FWD economy car is faster! Anyone who has ever opened a car magazine or driven a car knows that muscle cars outperform economy cars. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. Sure, a Kia Sephia can be made fast too with a supercharger, NOS, and a whole hell of a lot of engine reinforcements, but a Kia Sephia still isn't a fast car. Check on the Civic's main competitors - they are cars like the Hyundai Accent, Kia Sephia, and Chevy Cavalier. Those aren't performance vehicles and neither is the Civic. You guys are nuts.
Are you high? You just contradicted yourself like three times. "Sure, a Kia Sephia can be made fast too with a supercharger, NOS, and a whole hell of a lot of engine reinforcements, but a Kia Sephia still isn't a fast car" A Sephia is fast with a supercharger but it won't be a fast car? Make some sense mang. Right off the line civics suck and can't beat a mustang GT given two drivers of equal skill, true, but with the money difference between the two car's msrp you can hook the ricebox up to far exceed the performance of the "muscle car." GT's run low 15's stock, which is easily obtainable with either a swap or forced induction on most four cylinders. Hell I ran a 14.9 with my old DX engine using a $500 nitrous kit, and the Z28 I raced against only pulled off a 14.8, in a car way more expensive than mine. Now I have a CTR powerplant and can beat mustangs all day long w/out having to fill some bottle.

:chair: :iagree:
no one figures that one out do they?
but when you bring it up the price difference, most people just say thats not the point mods are cheap for domestics bla bla bla

:comprage1

They aren't really that much cheaper, but the gains are more impressive. An exhaust on a mustang will add more than the 2-3hp gains hondas see.

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
Wow, Chevy pulling for Ford, has hell frozen over???:lol:

C'mon bud, there ain't no other V8 sports cars (except the Vette) out there right now! :dunno: I'd take a new Mach 1 over anything else currently on the market (except the Vette).

And in terms of handling boys, a new stock Cobra puts down close to 1g on the skidpath - that means it will be dusting you from light to light and using its 400 odd horses in the turns as well.

Mid 90's 5.0L and 4.6L Stang's had terribly inefficient motors for their size.

The new cobras only come with 390 hp. They had to come up with something, since the Ford Lightnings were lighting them up down the track.

They didn't "Have to come up with something." Hello, Ford makes the Lightnings and the Cobras. Besides, the Cobras are much faster than the Lightnings and are making more than 400hp in practice.

About the Kia Sephia comment. Yes, that particular car would be fast, but a Kia Sephia is still not a fast car. The point is, Civics are no different than other economy cars and require all kinds of mods to make them remotely fast. Of course the same mods on a Mustang or Camaro would give bigger gains because they start out with more power. High flow exhaust doesn't add HP on its own - it allows the engine to produce more HP. Would a 5 hp engine get 5 additional hp from new exhaust? Hell no. Mustangs and Camaros come with big engines that can be modified easily. If I supercharged my SS with about 10 psi, I would be making around 450-500 hp. If a Civic owner did the same, he'd be doing 230-280 hp. Throw NOS on there and you'd be about where I was stock, after compensating for the improper gearing and FWD. I don't pull for Mustangs, I pull for the cars that actually ARE fast. 1999 GT's and up did not run 15's, they run 14 flat stock. And Camaro SS's run low to mid 13's, not high 14's. This is simply a matter of lack of car knowledge. I guess I just know more about cars than Civic drivers do. After all, I knew that an SS was a fast car and a Civic wasn't - hence, I bought an SS. I read road tests and car reviews. All signs say muscle cars are better performing vehicles than economy cars. I will admit that a WRX can out-handle my car, but will he admit that my car is faster? Probably not, because he doesn't know as much about cars as I do.

Of course an SI can take a GT after you work to give it more power than the GT. But so could a Ford Aspire, after you give it more power (well, much more power) than a GT. Just make sure that the Camaro or Stang owner hasn't done anything to enhance their already better performance.

Here we go with that stupid. “I paid only this and put the rest in mods for les then blah blah blah” Christ in heaven. Civics are slow. Mustangs are poorly engineered. Learn it. Love it. Live it.

I never said SS's run high 14's, a Z28 did. I was using the exhaust as an example, I know they don't create horsepower, they free up horsepower the engine already makes. And exactly like you said, you gotta throw mods on a civic to make it as fast as a camaro is stock parallels with what I said about spending the difference in money between the two cars on mods to bring it up to speed. But once the civic is as fast as the camaro, it also has the abilty to handle better too. Oh yeah and did I mention insurance is still lower? Economy cars are slow, but you can build them up to speed with the difference in money between it and an overpriced, heavy, ugly camaro/mustang/whatever.

They didn't "Have to come up with something." Hello, Ford makes the Lightnings and the Cobras. Besides, the Cobras are much faster than the Lightnings and are making more than 400hp in practice.

My bad mister know it all, I didn't mean that Ford actually "had" to come up with something to compete with the lightning, and no the 2002 and before cobras were getting stomped by the 285 hp and 260 hp lightnings. Now that Ford up'd the hp in the cobras to 390 (by specs only, not practice) they can smoke the lightning to next week. I know that Ford makes both of them, I was just making a statement that the cobras USED TO BE slower than the lightnings.

This type of thread has been around for ages and ages ages...

If any of you guys would do a search in AF, you'd find arguments pre-written for your chosen side in here.

I'm not closing it (yet), becuase everybody seems to be (mostly) civil, but c'mon, it's old, let it go.

Originally posted by 96z28SS
If I supercharged my SS with about 10 psi, I would be making around 450-500 hp. If a Civic owner did the same, he'd be doing 230-280 hp.
A 280hp civic would destroy a 450-500hp boat like yours simply because of the weight difference. When I had my DX engine with 180 nitrous horsepower, I lost to a Z28 by .1 seconds. If I remember correctly Z28's have 275 horsepower? Case closed.

I don't know what year your DX is, but I looked up the stats for the 1999 DX on Carmax.com and wow! That thing's cranking a cool 106 hp. That's damn near 1/3 my SS!

Okay, the Camaro you raced was either a fake Z28, an 80's or early 90's Z28, had an incompetent driver, or, more likely, you're making it up. If your DX ran with a recent Z28 with a good driver, that means at 180 hp, it's running a 5.2 second 0-60 and high 13's in the 1/4. That's amazing, and would probably piss the drivers of SI's off quite a bit as they paid for VTEC engines, and with only a 20 hp difference from your DX, run a full 2 seconds slower in both dimensions. You've got quite a machine there. I should use your logic to build the ultimate racer - my 1996 Aspire. That's lighter and cost me only $2,000, leaving me a $17k window of money to make it faster than a Honda Civic SI. And when I've spent $3k and start beating SI's, I'll ask them why they didn't just buy Aspires in the first place.

If FWD economy cars can go so fast on so little power, I wonder why NASCAR uses RWD muscle cars with V8's and spends so much money trying to draw close to a thousand HP out of them. You should approach them with your idea. You'd make millions of dollars if you clued these morons in on the truth - they can forget about making it powerful and RWD, just lighten it and put the power to the front. Of course! Funny cars too... drag racing will be owned by FWD 4 bangers. Especially with that rear wing pulling weight off the front of the car. The last thing they'll want is weight on the driving wheels.

Don't get so mad dude, and yes it's the truth. Maybe he was an incompetent driver, but I'm telling you from my experiences, not silly numbers out of a magazine. Nascars ARE lighter than my car, by about 1000 lbs. This cracked me up:
That's amazing, and would probably piss the drivers of SI's off quite a bit as they paid for VTEC engines, and with only a 20 hp difference from your DX, run a full 2 seconds slower in both dimensions.
Ever looked at a dynochart, the thing displaying horsepower/torque curves at different rpms?...lol. A car's graph using nitrous darts up and somewhat flatlines at max hp throughout the whole rpm band. A stock Si graph slowly builds up to a 160hp (well, ~124hp at the wheels) peak at 7800rpm. So yeah, it would have been a 20 horsepower difference at 7800rpms if my DX could rev that high, but at low rpms (2000-3000) it's about a 80hp difference. Yeah, and the weight difference thing.

Are you saying that a nascar weighs only 1400 pounds? I'm no redneck, but that sounds a little light. Would you agree that they are better off with the V8s RWD? Or would you recommend the I4 FWD? It's hard to believe that someone so interested in cars would be driving a DX and actually dyno it. Okay, suppose your car did run almost as fast as a newer Z28 (I don't believe it) with a pathetic 180 hp. That doesn't mean that it would kill the forementioned supercharged Z28 SS if it, too, was supercharged (as you suggested). Let's remember, the Z28 SS didn't remain as fast as it was stock - it also became faster. I guess the bottom line is that my car is faster than yours. It was faster out of the box, and mod for mod it will always be faster. You can brag that your car was cheaper, but then I can continue to rant about the price and blistering speed of my Ford Aspire. How would you feel if I argued that for less money than your DX, my Aspire would be faster and certainly look cooler. Don't you think your car would still look better and have potential to always be faster? This is how drivers of cool, fast cars feel when similar conversations are had about Civics. They are pathetic, weak economy cars that have somehow come to be known by rice-boys as cool cars. Why not the Festiva or Aspire? Why not?

Would you really rather be seen in a Civic DX than a Camaro SS? Really?

Originally posted by 96z28SS


Would you really rather be seen in a Civic DX than a Camaro SS? Really?

For a sleeper effect? The 'Maro can't really be considered "sleeper", so yea on that.

For speed stock? No.

For looks? Neither.

Jesus fucking Christ moron, I never once said it was a supercharged SS, it was a STOCK Z28! I don't know how much a nascar weighs but a V8 wrapped in a rollcage and shell is still a lot lighter than my car. And yes, they are faster than my car with their V8. Since when and why are we comparing civics to white trash televised race cars? You're arguing way out there shit that was never brought up. My whole point here is this, I bought my car new for ~$12k. A new stock Z28 costs ~$21k - $23k, leaving a $9k - $11k difference between the two. With that money I could buy a turbocharged GSR engine (that's only one example, I'm sure different setups whether better or worse can be purchased) and run 13's where a STOOOOOOOOOOCK ZZZZZZ2222222888888 owner, having spent $21k-$23k on his car will be sucking my $21k-$23k car's exhaust fumes.

Is it through your thick skull yet? Are you going to ask me if Boeing should put civic engines in their commercial planes now? Go ahead and make another stupid comment so I can prove you wrong again.

Originally posted by Ricochet
Jesus fucking Christ moron, I never once said it was a supercharged SS, it was a STOCK Z28! I don't know how much a nascar weighs but a V8 wrapped in a rollcage and shell is still a lot lighter than my car. And yes, they are faster than my car with their V8. Since when and why are we comparing civics to white trash televised race cars? You're arguing way out there shit that was never brought up. My whole point here is this, I bought my car new for ~$12k. A new stock Z28 costs ~$21k - $23k, leaving a $9k - $11k difference between the two. With that money I could buy a turbocharged GSR engine (that's only one example, I'm sure different setups whether better or worse can be purchased) and run 13's where a STOOOOOOOOOOCK ZZZZZZ2222222888888 owner, having spent the same amount of money as I did on my civic, will be sucking my exhaust fumes.

Is it through your thick skull yet? Are you going to ask me if Boeing should put civic engines in their commercial planes now? Go ahead and make another stupid comment so I can prove you wrong again.

Yes, that's nice...but ease up on the name calling. That goes for everyone in here.

FYI: NASCAR "stock cars" weigh between 3100 to 2800 lbs depending on the track.

They also run between 750 to 800HP with their "antiquated" OHV motors.

I stand corrected on the weight of them. Anyways, musclecar boneheads annoy the hell out of me with their "more cylinders = my car is faster, period." train of thought, then they try and argue how stupid us Honda enthusiasts are by using pointless arguments like the "4 cylinder nascars will be faster" deal...??? I hope there is a deeper end to the gene pool around this forum, I'm getting tired already.

If I supercharged my SS with about 10 psi, I would be making around 450-500 hp. If a Civic owner did the same, he'd be doing 230-280 hp.

You can't just say that since my car has more horses it's faster than yours. You have to factor in the driver, the weight of the cars, how high a car rev its rpms, and several other factors. In fact, a 300 hp Civic if tuned right, proper tranny could beat a 500 hp Camaro (be it Z-28 or SS). On the other hand, a 500 hp Camaro, if tuned right, proper tranny could beat a 300 hp Civic (be it LX, EX, HX, DX).

There's alot of bullshit flying in here:lol:, from both camps.

Gotta keep ducking to keep from being hit in the eye with it...

This is why I keep coming back :comprage1

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
There's alot of bullshit flying in here:lol:, from both camps.

Gotta keep ducking to keep from being hit in the eye with it...

This is why I keep coming back :comprage1


like a battered woman to her abuser:bloated: j/k:icon16:

Oh, as far as it goes with a 250 hp Civic DX smoking a 500 hp Camaro SS... think of this. A Honda S2000 has 240 hp. Maybe it's a little heavier, but it is also geared for better performance and is RWD (RWD is a huge advantage over FWD). We all know how fast those really are... oh sorry, I'm probably the only one who does. They are a second slower than a stock Camaro Z28 and a half second slower than a stock Mustang GT.

I just read your reply where you were really pissed. No, I didn't say that the Z you raced was supercharged - I was talking about the theoretical race between a supercharged Civic and a Supercharged Z28. My point was that the Z remains much faster.

About the nascars. My point was that V8s are better engines when you're trying to go fast. There's a ton of money in racing and I'm sure a lot of it has been spent on determining how to make the cars their fastest.

The flaw in your logic about your cheap civic - you said the price difference could get you a new engine and put you into the 13's. Well, the Civic purchase was probably an indication of lack of money. If you don't have $22,000, then you won't have a Camaro or a car that can outrun the camaro. If you had that much money to begin with, you'd probably be better off getting a new Z28 that runs 13.5 stock (YES IT DOES). This way your car would be fast immediately, look nice, and it would maintain its warranty because the engine wouldn't need to be replaced. A few years ago they were selling Kia Sephias new for $6,000! That's what you should've gotten. They look better, have bigger engines, and imagine what you could do if you took the engine out and put a new one in!

I will say only one thing that people need to drill into their heads.

Somebody or anybody having a "better engine" or a "best engine" overall is a crock of you-know-what.

The better phrase is "best (or better) for the application". A rally car won't win a single race with a NASCAR engine, and maybe vice-versa, with as heavy as the vehicles in NASCAR are.

An S2000 with a 5.7 liter motor will probably crash because it will be so unbalanced.

A Saleen S7 weighs as much as an S2000, yet has a 7liter motor...but you have to pay 350,000 for the technology to balance the power and the weight.

A Camaro with a transplanted Civic engine will save gas...because it'll only go 40MPH. If you boost it to handle the weight, it'll still use as much gas as the V8 did eventually.

A Civic with a transplanted LS1/LT1 will indeed be fast...if you only want go in a straight line. A FWD V8 (such as the Northstar) will throw the car so out of balance, it probably won't be drivable.

My point is, most manufacturers put the best motor in whatever application they wanted it in.

Honda people...face it, the Civic IS, and always will be classified as an econocar...use that fact and quit ricing out your cars...and when you have a fast enough car to beat the V8 boys, shock them with your speed, not your paint/stickers.

:gives:

weigh between 3100 to 2800 lbs depending on the track.
they have to weigh 3300 on all tracks.

Originally posted by RedNeck383
:gives: :iamwithst :bananadie
this thread is like a servailance camera at the salvation army......

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
Honda people...face it, the Civic IS, and always will be classified as an econocar...
carrnuttt gets a nissan and goes awall on the (b16a) and us (honda ppl)......:biggrin:

Originally posted by RedNeck383
:gives:
:werd:

I agree with carnut. The problem is that all street dominance is proven at short stoplight races. It would be very difficult for krnxracer to show up my SS around corners, but it would be very easy for me to show up his acura in straight line acceleration from a stoplight. Happens every day. Since there is no easy way to prove handling dominance, these miniature "sports coupes" are left no choice but to pretend their cars can drag race, and that is where the tension comes between those things and muscle cars. We'll leave civics out of this because they aren't good at anything. Muscle rules.

What do you mean there's no way to show handling dominance? Go to autocross races, and watch me dominate your time on any SCCA track, any day of the week. Muscle cars are good for brainless jock-wannabe's and white trash who need horsepower to gain for their lack of driving abilities. "Econocars" rule.

Originally posted by Ricochet
Muscle cars are good for brainless jock-wannabe's and white trash who need horsepower to gain for their lack of driving abilities.

Everyone on here who knows me...Am I either of those things???:confused::frown::sadface:
I agree with 96z28SS though, that's too much work for the most part. You have to actually put forth an effort to go and do that. Where as if I'm on my way to the store, I'm likely to run across one, two, even three people who would race me from stoplight to stoplight. He said all STREET DOMINANCE. On the STREET, dragracing is MUCH more likely to occur than an autoX-esque test of cornering ability.

Oh, and for the record...New LS1s run low low low 13s stock. Like 13.1 - 13.3 with good drivers.

Originally posted by Ricochet
Muscle cars are good for brainless jock-wannabe's and white trash who need horsepower to gain for their lack of driving abilities. "Econocars" rule.

I don't know what crawled up your ass and died, but please pull your head out of there. :rolleyes:

I will accept that I am a brainless jock if that's the medium we need to have to make you admit that muscle cars are faster than economy cars. I'm glad we've reached an agreement finally. I'm not sure I would be out-handled by a civic hatchback, but at least I know that if I continue driving around Chicago and don't actually go to a slalom course, no econo car will outperform me in any respect without heavy modifications, like engine replacement (is that still a civic if it has an entirely new engine?) Wow, I'm surprised someone else in the world knows that an LS1 does 13's stock (you know, stock, like it was meant to be fast)! Sweet!

I have a great idea, I'll go buy a Camaro and run into Honda rooms bragging how it's faster than a stock Civic. Damn, I'll get mad props then. Oh, and about the completely stupid engine swap question, yes it's still a Civic. I'm swapping a Civic engine into a Civic dumbshit. You're thickening the redneck Camaro-driver stereotype by displaying your growing idiocy and sheer lack of intelligence.

Ricochet
If I ripped the back seats out of my Asipre and put an SVT lightning engine there, would it still be an Aspire? If not, then at what point during any modification is it no longer an Aspire? Is the shell of the car what gives it the name? I'm just asking.

I believe that muscle cars are much faster than economy cars, and mod for mod remain faster. I believe these are very separate classes of cars, and econo car owners should not compare their cars to muscle cars. A civic is in the league of my Aspire. A VR4 is in the league of my SS, but is less capable of improvements as it has already taken advantage of forced air induction to produce similar performance numbers.

Yes, I think you would deserve "props" for going into a room full of civics with a camaro because you'd have the fastest car there.

Try to stay calm.

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

carrnuttt gets a nissan and goes awall on the (b16a) and us (honda ppl)......:biggrin:

You mean AWOL (Away WithOut License)? :thefinger


Anyways...with all the Hondas I've had in the past, I've never considered any of them "sportscars"...which is why I love modifying them...it's more fun to take a non sports-car and take it to sports or super-car performance. Plus, if you don't rice it out, you'll piss people off more with the sleeper effect...:bigthumb:.

Just so you know, I consider my Sentra an econobox also...though it has more sportiness than I could imagine coming from a car that looks like a fridge.

SR20 > B16 :thefinger

I'm not talking about an Aspire or a Lightning, I'm talking about a Civic hatchback with a Type-R engine and my Civic hatchback with a DX engine. Same two cars (minus a few minor things), same chassis, different engines.

Yes, I think you would deserve "props" for going into a room full of civics with a camaro because you'd have the fastest car there.

So I should give props to somebody who steals gummybears from a retard? It's the same thing, there's no argument that a stock Z28 is faster than a stock Civic, why brag about it. But my point that I've tried drilling into your thick airhead-gaurding bone is that if you and I were both givin $23 thousand, you would buy your Camaro and I would buy my Civic. With the money left over I could buy mods to far surpass every performance aspect of your piece of shit. I'm done with this post.

I wouldn't buy my camaro, I would by my Aspire for $2k and with the remaining $21k I would outperform your civic in every aspect.

This is the argument you've won - "The crappier the initial car you buy, the more money there will be left over to modify it."

Originally posted by 96z28SS
This is the argument you've won - "The crappier the initial car you buy, the more money there will be left over to modify it."

LOL, not that I necessarily agree with how you're going on and on with this argument...but that was pretty funny:spit::iceslolan

Okay, this argument is useless. 96z28ss is correct in saying that mod for mod the Z-28 would out perform the civic. Also, Ricochet is correct in saying that if given 23K, you could mod the civic enough to out perform the Z-28. The aspire is nowhere even remotely apart of this subject, so let's just throw it out right now. We're talking about a Chevy Z-28 and a Honda Civic.

I think I made a valid point - what, an Aspire isn't a fast car but a Civic is? Check out Jay Leno's Ford Festiva with a rear-mounted V8.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


You mean AWOL (Away WithOut License)? :thefinger


Anyways...with all the Hondas I've had in the past, I've never considered any of them "sportscars"...which is why I love modifying them...it's more fun to take a non sports-car and take it to sports or super-car performance. Plus, if you don't rice it out, you'll piss people off more with the sleeper effect...:bigthumb:.

Just so you know, I consider my Sentra an econobox also...though it has more sportiness than I could imagine coming from a car that looks like a fridge.

SR20 > B16 :thefinger spelling freak

well thats debateable I consider it a sport compact car, and I don't consider you car a econo but whatever I'm not going to sit here and argue with a moderator who's usually on my side.....I think thats bad carma. Plus everyone has there own opinion and thats cool.

Originally posted by AirAllen01
Also, Ricochet is correct in saying that if given 23K, you could mod the civic enough to out perform the Z-28.
with 23k I could make a civic transform into a z28 and then into optimus prime......... I'f it takes you 23k to modify a civic to beat a z28, you got ripped off. Or you stopped at a casino on the way to get the parts and lost a shit load of money, shit 10 grand is alot.