07 Impala p0142
Kevin D
03-31-2013, 10:32 PM
Hello Forum, this is my first post, here goes!
My flex fuel Impala lit the CELight, it's usually a loose gas cap but not this time. I used an Actron CP9580 to get the p0142 code "bank 1 rich". The "code connect" feature said something about the alcohol content of the fuel and I found a data point at 38% alcohol in fuel, rock solid no varying. That seems unusual to me since we use regular at 90-10 blend and not e85.
I used some spray cleaner on the MAF sensor and disconnected the battery for 1/2 hour. Afterwards, the light stayed out for a 10 mile drive but relit on a subsequent drive.
The car has not been refilled since the light came on.
Driveability is fine.
It is fitted with a K&N air filter.
70000 miles.
Did somebody fill the tank with e85?
Is this fuel parameter determined from a fuel sensor on my car or just programmed in, one size fits all?
My flex fuel Impala lit the CELight, it's usually a loose gas cap but not this time. I used an Actron CP9580 to get the p0142 code "bank 1 rich". The "code connect" feature said something about the alcohol content of the fuel and I found a data point at 38% alcohol in fuel, rock solid no varying. That seems unusual to me since we use regular at 90-10 blend and not e85.
I used some spray cleaner on the MAF sensor and disconnected the battery for 1/2 hour. Afterwards, the light stayed out for a 10 mile drive but relit on a subsequent drive.
The car has not been refilled since the light came on.
Driveability is fine.
It is fitted with a K&N air filter.
70000 miles.
Did somebody fill the tank with e85?
Is this fuel parameter determined from a fuel sensor on my car or just programmed in, one size fits all?
gmtech1
04-01-2013, 02:07 PM
I would run a tank of fuel from a different gas station. Also I have seen the oil from K&N filters coat the MAF sensors and cause issue rich conditions. You may consider cleaning the MAF and installing a OEM filter and see what happens.
Alcohol content should not be more than 10%, more than that will cause problems.
Alcohol content should not be more than 10%, more than that will cause problems.
Kevin D
04-01-2013, 11:27 PM
I refilled today from my usual station, did a 10 mile drive afterward, and the alcohol content is still showing 38%.
From my Actron scanner, the "Code Connect" top reported fix for p0142 is relearn alcohol sensor.
#2 reported fix is clean MAF sensor, so I'll have another try at that.
I'm just a beginner with this and I can't find a breath anywhere about how to relearn alcohol sensor. I think this is the thing I'm looking for, somewhere in the fuel line, but I'm guessing I need a more sophisticated device than my Actron to relearn it.
GM parts direct #12570260 $326 OUCH
Is this proprietary software territory?
From my Actron scanner, the "Code Connect" top reported fix for p0142 is relearn alcohol sensor.
#2 reported fix is clean MAF sensor, so I'll have another try at that.
I'm just a beginner with this and I can't find a breath anywhere about how to relearn alcohol sensor. I think this is the thing I'm looking for, somewhere in the fuel line, but I'm guessing I need a more sophisticated device than my Actron to relearn it.
GM parts direct #12570260 $326 OUCH
Is this proprietary software territory?
Kevin D
04-02-2013, 07:11 AM
I found this 3/2006 article at Autos.ca that describes a virtual flex fuel sensor V-FFS that relearns alcohol content when the car is filled.
I suppose all the other sensors must be working for this to be right.
http://http://www.autos.ca/auto-tech/auto-tech-chevrolet-impala-e85-flex-fuel-system/
I suppose all the other sensors must be working for this to be right.
http://http://www.autos.ca/auto-tech/auto-tech-chevrolet-impala-e85-flex-fuel-system/
gmtech1
04-02-2013, 10:54 AM
The fuel composition must be known before a relearn can be done. A special tool is required to test the amount of alcohol in the fuel. It must be below 15% before a reset can be done. After it is verified that the fuel is ok at the fuel rail, not the tank, the a scanner is needed to reset fuel trim and reset fuel composition. After this is done, the system will relearn the alcohol content.
Kevin D
04-02-2013, 07:26 PM
gmtech1, thanks for your help.
I'm pretty sure I wont be doing any of this stuff. My scanner can reset codes, and offers lots of data, but reset fuel trim, reset fuel composition, I dont think so. The only other reset I know is disconnect the battery and maybe the settings will got to factory default, but that didnt happen when I tried it earlier. I'll be looking for an OEM air filter and recleaning the MAF sensor.
From the autos.ca article, I read that a fillup triggers the alcohol content relearn.
The Actron scanner offers lots of data but doesn't quantify any of it. So, I'm wondering what would a good, clean MAF sensor read at say 60mph? or conversely what would a dirty one read? I think the unit it displayed was LB/M, and the reading 3.48.
I may be losing it.... I scanned tonight and saw p0172 pending not p0142, oops :headshake
I'm pretty sure I wont be doing any of this stuff. My scanner can reset codes, and offers lots of data, but reset fuel trim, reset fuel composition, I dont think so. The only other reset I know is disconnect the battery and maybe the settings will got to factory default, but that didnt happen when I tried it earlier. I'll be looking for an OEM air filter and recleaning the MAF sensor.
From the autos.ca article, I read that a fillup triggers the alcohol content relearn.
The Actron scanner offers lots of data but doesn't quantify any of it. So, I'm wondering what would a good, clean MAF sensor read at say 60mph? or conversely what would a dirty one read? I think the unit it displayed was LB/M, and the reading 3.48.
I may be losing it.... I scanned tonight and saw p0172 pending not p0142, oops :headshake
gmtech1
04-03-2013, 09:20 AM
That's kinda what I figured, The info I posted is for the P0172 and the high alcohol content you are describing. On a E85 vehicle, a over-estimation of alcohol will result in a rich condition...
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