Turbo on an LS

i dont understand that one my self.

Hey, ive been wonderin this, how do you quote a person with their name attached? All i can see to do is that reg quote thing and its got no name attached to it,

Originally posted by C32Bperformance
Hey, ive been wonderin this, how do you quote a person with their name attached? All i can see to do is that reg quote thing and its got no name attached to it,

I don't know, I just click ''quote'' and at the screen you type at it comes up ''originally posted by XXXXX'' with at the beginning and at the end. Maybe it's soemthing in your preferences. ???

oh the [i] stands for italic print, and the [B] stands for bold.

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong PWMAN. I agree with you and shhh_burn all the way on the LS issue, as you probably figured since I started this thread askin about turboing the LS versus LS/Vtec or LS/Vtec turbo. Besides the LS having a stronger bottom end, more torque, and hitting torque at a lower RPM, the Transmisson is also better suited for turbo apps due to the gear ratios it possess, correct?

There is a lot of controversy over this, but IMO longer is better for turbo. So yes the LS tranny is better. You stay in the gear longer alowing the turbo to do a lot of work and make more power, if you have a GSR tranny or ITR tranny you shift quick before it gets a chance to spool very much.
My 87 Dodge Daytona has very long gearing. All factory turbo cars that I know of have had long gearing, like 3000GT VR-4, Eclipse GST, Nissan 300 ZX TT, and Daytona's. Actually, just to really prove it to you, my version on the Daytona is a T1. It makes 146 HP, the next version is a T2, which makes 174 HP. The T2 is considered their starting performance car, (there is also T3 and T4) it has MUCH longer gearing than mine. Now there is a reason OEM manufacturer's put longer gearing in a higher performance car right? yes.

Originally posted by whtteg
I don't know how this would play into a turbo application,but the gsr head is going to have secondary runners on the intake and the B16 head won't. I have seen some guys on teamintegra.com talking about disabling the secondary runners so maybe they are not as good as the regular B16 runners. Just a thought, maybe someone will correct anything that is not true or explain why or why not the secondary runners will help or hurt the performance from a turbo motor.
Wow this thread has gotten (interesting) since my last post. Anyway to answer your question whtteg first you need to understand (and I'm shure you already do, not trying to insult your intelligence) that long and narrow runners favor lower RPM's, and the smaller width helps increase the air speed. Shorter wider runners favor higher RPM's because they have a higher resonant frequency, and the larger diameter allows better air flow. The GSR uses 2 sets of runners with different lengths in one intake manifold in order to have two different peak torques. With the 2 sets of runners overcoming the either or decision. But when your using two sets of runners you get an increase in surface area which diminishes flow quality at higher rpm. You would be better off losing the GSR manifold, and getting an Intake manifold with bigger diameter runners as well as shorter length runners (even over the b16 runners). Hope that clears it up a little. :smile:

Hey, thanks PWMAN. You stated it perfectly. I was thinking along the same lines, but you explained just why it is considered a better suited tranny prefactly. I was thinking that, but for some reason couldn't put it into words. Again, I thank you, shhh_burn, and whtteg for being of much help so far thoughout this entire thread. BTW, shh_burn, is yours is an LS Turbo, not an LS/Vtec turbo, correct? I understand the B16 head is probably the better of the 2 heads for an LS/Vtec, but the reliablity issue I keep hearing is steering me towards an LS Turbo instead of an LS/Vtec turbo. You can still break 400HP without the LS/Vtec (thats of course building it correctly). I just hear mixed reviews on the longevity of LS/Vtec's everywhere I go, so keepin it non-vtec seems the safer bet.

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)


fuck you and your small motor
fuck you and your imaginary car. :thefinger

Originally posted by PWMAN


If you don't rev over 7K the LS is just as strong. It wasn't meant to be revved, and it doesn't have to be. Most guys that do LS/VTEC try to scream their motors because they think they have too and thats why it blew up. It makes it's peak HP at 6300, so it makes no sense to rev over 7K anyway.

ls/vtec's with stock internals are built by idiots trying to follow a trend in the "import scene"

Originally posted by C32Bperformance
Thats as close as you can come in this forum on deciding which motor is better, but i honestly think if (_burn_) had put as much time and money and tuning efforts into a b16, he would be faster.

The b16 makes equal hp as the ls with much, much less boost. And that is not really even considering my original arguement, that it can in fact handle more boost than the ls.

im really not trying to be rude.....but you are seriously wrong. the simple fact is that NOTHING NOT EVEN REVS can create power like displacement.... and PLEASE do not tell me how my car would be faster with the same amount of money and time. thats just flat out bullshit. the only way i could get the same kind of power out of a b16 that im pushing is if i stroked the fuck out of it, and then it wouldnt be a b16 technically. btw....my engine is NOT 1.8 liters. it is 2.1 liters. find a b16 that is actually 1.6 liter making 500 to the wheels and ask the person how much money he/she spent on that dart block with bronze head.

Originally posted by C32Bperformance


Sorry buddy, thats wrong. You can ask any real engineer or tuner. VTEC helps no matter what. All thats happening is that some, SOME boost is being lost between overlap. You arent having trouble making boost. It boost just fine.

VTEC DOES NOT MATTER. if you know how vtec works and why it does what it does....youd know that its the aggressive side that makes power. lets just put it this way......
the crane cams i may try out in my car have the effect of the skunk 2 n/a race cams vtec throughout my WHOLE powerband. im running modest crower turbo cams right now and it has a grind similar to many many aftermarket vtec cams agressive lobe. so essentially im getting the vtec you boys crave ALL THE TIME

why is it shh you never anser dbl you always answer all questions accept for his im starting to think your car doesnt exist can you post some pics ?

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

fuck you and your imaginary car. :thefinger

hahaha get off my testicles kid. your gonna get shat on by some "imaginary vdubs also". i already asked john the guy with the turbo vr6 (the slow one) and he wants a piece. you'll like his plates

i already posted an older picture of my car in a previous thread but for your viewing i will post it again. look for an edit as soon as i can find it.http://members.aol.com/pure4130cromoly/burn/burnt.jpg

Originally posted by YOUNGSTER
why is it shh you never anser dbl you always answer all questions accept for his im starting to think your car doesnt exist can you post some pics ?

Just for the record, DblOvrhedCamron saying "fuck you and your imaginary car" isn't a question, it's more or a comment.

ssshhhh (_burn_), your running an LS turbo stroked to 2.1 liters at about 20 psi, correct? I am assuming it is not an LS/Vtec. Can I ask you want all you have done to your motor, what type of turbo and turbo componets, internals, etc, you have in there? It seems like you have a fast and powerful LS, and since I am looking to eventualy do the same thing (hence the purpose of this thread), I am curious as to what all you have done to it. I read somewhere you sholdn't stroke the B18 engines, or was it don't stroke them if you wanna turbo them. I don't remember. Anyways, I noticed you said you had yours stroked. I am curious to your opinion on this, and also why it might have been said if you don't feel it's true. Thanks:smile:

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)


hahaha get off my testicles kid. your gonna get shat on by some "imaginary vdubs also". i already asked john the guy with the turbo vr6 (the slow one) and he wants a piece. you'll like his plates
Considering I built a good bit of his motor, I doubt that. But his comment was uncalled for. (I will agree with that)

I got the impression from reading your threads that your car is daily driven, forgive me but dohc and I are not accustom to seeing low 10 sec. daily driven CRX's. Perhaps this is not the case and I misread something? If it is the case that's very impressive, and I hope you reach your 9 second goal next season. :smile:

(lets try to stay on topic)

Originally posted by hybridsol

Considering I built a good bit of his motor, I doubt that. But his comment was uncalled for. (I will agree with that)

I got the impression from reading your threads that your car is daily driven, forgive me but dohc and I are not accustom to seeing low 10 sec. daily driven CRX's. Perhaps this is not the case and I misread something? If it is the case that's very impressive, and I hope you reach your 9 second goal next season. :smile:

(lets try to stay on topic)

If I'm not mistaken, he only runs 10 PSI on pump gas when he drives it daily. When he goes to the track he puts in race fuel and runs more than 20 PSI. So he really only drives a 12 second car daily, but 10 second car at the track.

Originally posted by PWMAN


If I'm not mistaken, he only runs 10 PSI on pump gas when he drives it daily. When he goes to the track he puts in race fuel and runs more than 20 PSI. So he really only drives a 12 second car daily, but 10 second car at the track.
I'm sorry but 12's to 10.3!!!! sounds a bit unbelievable to me. Just boom! raise the boost to 20 psi and add racing fuel, and wham you run 10.3 at 138 mph. First of all most ppl who run 10's that low run them at 148- mph, secondly hybrid and I maintain a 10 second crx and alot more than that would have to go into a car to hit 10's before a race.

Originally posted by hybridsol

But his comment was uncalled for. (I will agree with that)

Uncalled for yet the truth.:biggrin2:

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

I'm sorry but 12's to 10.3!!!!

10 to 25 PSI?
Going by 10 HP per pound of boost thats 150 HP gain, plenty for 2 seconds faster

According to his claims he makes 500ish WHP when on the race gas, but only 300ish when using pump gas lowing the PSI.

Originally posted by PWMAN


10 to 25 PSI?
Going by 10 HP per pound of boost thats 150 HP gain, plenty for 2 seconds faster
and you believe the motor just adjusts like that at the drop of a hat, and what kind of boost control is he spotting along with ECU. Its possible but far fethched along with his 10.3 at 138 mph........ cmon now......... I believe it when our Token Black Z God comes back with some picks, I'm shure he is as eager as I. (Or next semester when self hybrid and I team up to smoke some dubbs. :iceslolan )

Originally posted by hybridsol

Considering I built a good bit of his motor, I doubt that. But his comment was uncalled for. (I will agree with that)

I got the impression from reading your threads that your car is daily driven, forgive me but dohc and I are not accustom to seeing low 10 sec. daily driven CRX's. Perhaps this is not the case and I misread something? If it is the case that's very impressive, and I hope you reach your 9 second goal next season. :smile:

(lets try to stay on topic)

my car used to be a street car on the weekends. i do have another crx with a basically stock ls motor in it as a daily driver. that may be the car your thinking of. but for the record....my car is NOT a daily driven 10 second car. my daily driver is a low mid 14 second car at best

Originally posted by PWMAN


If I'm not mistaken, he only runs 10 PSI on pump gas when he drives it daily. When he goes to the track he puts in race fuel and runs more than 20 PSI. So he really only drives a 12 second car daily, but 10 second car at the track.

i dont drive it daily but yes..when i did drive it daily it was only at aroun 10 pounds.

Originally posted by PWMAN


10 to 25 PSI?
Going by 10 HP per pound of boost thats 150 HP gain, plenty for 2 seconds faster

actually 150 isnt enough for 2 seconds lol but my car makes more than that so you were right in some since.

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

and you believe the motor just adjusts like that at the drop of a hat, and what kind of boost control is he spotting along with ECU. Its possible but far fethched along with his 10.3 at 138 mph........ cmon now......... I believe it when our Token Black Z God comes back with some picks, I'm shure he is as eager as I. (Or next semester when self hybrid and I team up to smoke some dubbs. :iceslolan )

um i dont beleive that..... im using stage 4 hondata and i have 12 different maps for the car. the crx is a bitch to tune. ive never said otherwise.

Originally posted by eckoman_pdx
ssshhhh (_burn_), your running an LS turbo stroked to 2.1 liters at about 20 psi, correct? I am assuming it is not an LS/Vtec. Can I ask you want all you have done to your motor, what type of turbo and turbo componets, internals, etc, you have in there? It seems like you have a fast and powerful LS, and since I am looking to eventualy do the same thing (hence the purpose of this thread), I am curious as to what all you have done to it. I read somewhere you sholdn't stroke the B18 engines, or was it don't stroke them if you wanna turbo them. I don't remember. Anyways, I noticed you said you had yours stroked. I am curious to your opinion on this, and also why it might have been said if you don't feel it's true. Thanks:smile:

it was lsvtec turbo for a few weeks but it was too much of a headache. but yes its a sleeved 2.1 litre ls, ls head with 5angle pp job and manley oversized valves hondasavers valve springs, align bored crank journals,knifeendged crank, crower cams, crower rods, je 9:1 pistons,prodrive oil pump, aem fuel rail, the turbo is a precision sc54. a garret t3/60-1 is going on as soon as i get it ordered. turbo components?? im running a fullrace prostreet equal length manifold, tial 40mm wastegate tial 50 mm bov.
as for my opinion on stroking ls t's....my opinion doesnt matter. i've done it and until something serious happens to mine i feel no reason to say that it should or shouldnt be done.

EDIT
heres a "cleaned up" list for the eyes.
88 crx si (1910 pounds w/o driver)
95 B18B 85 mm bore sleeved duhhh
9:1 forged pistons
crower rods
aline bored crank journals
ACL bearings
balanced everything
5 angled port N polished ls head
oversized manley valves
hondasavers springs
"stage 2" crower turbo spec cam
fullrace prostreet turbo manifold (equal length duhh)
ball bearing precisionturbo sc54
3 inch custom downpipe
tial 40mm wastegate/50mm bov
homemade charge pipe and intercooler piping
"jdm" trust intercooler
hondata w/data logging
rc injectors
useless z10

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)


it was lsvtec turbo for a few weeks but it was too much of a headache. but yes its a sleeved 2.1 litre ls, ls head with 5angle pp job and manley oversized valves hondasavers valve springs, align bored crank journals,knifeendged crank, crower cams, crower rods, je 9:1 pistons,prodrive oil pump, aem fuel rail, the turbo is a precision sc54. a garret t3/60-1 is going on as soon as i get it ordered. turbo components?? im running a fullrace prostreet equal length manifold, tial 40mm wastegate tial 50 mm bov.
as for my opinion on stroking ls t's....my opinion doesnt matter. i've done it and until something serious happens to mine i feel no reason to say that it should or shouldnt be done.

Thanks for the info ssshhhh (_burn_). That's a good list you got there. It does mean something to men, also, that you had an ls/vtec turbo at one point, but switched it back to a regular ls turbo after a few weeks. If you switched it back after it was done, it must of been some headache. Lately I've been leaning towards an ls turbo with no lsvtec eventually myself. That kind of makes me feel a little more sound with that train of thought.

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)
the turbo is a precision sc54.
the sc54 has a t3 style housing in .48 or .63 A/R, or Tangential turbine housing in .58 .68 or .81 A/R.

you posted a picture of a .70 housing in this thread.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=107020&highlight=ssshhhh+burn

The SC series turbos are all hybrid T3/T4 turbochargers.

that was a dsm freinds turbo which i bought but sold back to him. i thought i edited that picture out but i guess not.
this is the sc54
http://members.cox.net/pwrvtec/JessePictures/TurboIn.jpg http://members.cox.net/pwrvtec/JessePictures/TurboOut.jpg http://members.cox.net/pwrvtec/JessePictures/TurboExtrude.jpg and the block almost a year and a half ago http://members.cox.net/pwrvtec/JessePictures/LS84.5mmTopMed.jpg

Hmmmmmm.....

Ahem....

Now hold on there SON... Who in in the piss is Jesse? You know him? Why in the world do you have pictures of Jesse's motor up on this here interweb magik viewin box I call a Gateway?

I know where you're getting those Engine pics.

Son... stealin somebodies pictures is just wrong. I've been shootin people down off the net like this long before you were swimmin in your daddy's sack. You say you've got a CRX with turbo and all that jazz. Yet on this site a guy by the name of Jesse has a motor that looks alot like the one you're posting:

http://members.cox.net/pwrvtec/jessecivic.htm

And it's clearly a 2000 Civic Si. Not a CRX. And no place on the website does it have a 'team member' who has a CRX.

Dont think you've ever stated that you were on a Team of any sort.

Explain yourself Mr. Man.

Originally posted by RedNeck383
Hmmmmmm.....

Ahem....

Now hold on there SON... Who in in the piss is Jesse? You know him? Why in the world do you have pictures of Jesse's motor up on this here interweb magik viewin box I call a Gateway?

I know where you're getting those Engine pics.

Son... stealin somebodies pictures is just wrong. I've been shootin people down off the net like this long before you were swimmin in your daddy's sack. You say you've got a CRX with turbo and all that jazz. Yet on this site a guy by the name of Jesse has a motor that looks alot like the one you're posting:

http://members.cox.net/pwrvtec/jessecivic.htm

And it's clearly a 2000 Civic Si. Not a CRX. And no place on the website does it have a 'team member' who has a CRX.

Dont think you've ever stated that you were on a Team of any sort.

Explain yourself Mr. Man.

OUCH.

Claiming somebody else's work/parts/times for your own is a :nono:.

damn ssssssshhhhhhhhh you got burned lol jk thats kinda wierd dont you think.

Originally posted by RedNeck383
Hmmmmmm.....

Ahem....

Now hold on there SON... Who in in the piss is Jesse? You know him? Why in the world do you have pictures of Jesse's motor up on this here interweb magik viewin box I call a Gateway?

I know where you're getting those Engine pics.

Son... stealin somebodies pictures is just wrong. I've been shootin people down off the net like this long before you were swimmin in your daddy's sack. You say you've got a CRX with turbo and all that jazz. Yet on this site a guy by the name of Jesse has a motor that looks alot like the one you're posting:

http://members.cox.net/pwrvtec/jessecivic.htm

And it's clearly a 2000 Civic Si. Not a CRX. And no place on the website does it have a 'team member' who has a CRX.

Dont think you've ever stated that you were on a Team of any sort.

Explain yourself Mr. Man.

:owned:

i got owned. o well. im actually 14 years old and cant even drive yet. you guys were fun though.

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)
i got owned. o well. im actually 14 years old and cant even drive yet. you guys were fun though.


HA, Well I'm glad to see you can admit to being called out...

To be honest you know some good stuff to keep us guess for this long.

My friends have been trying to nail you for a while... you just happened to slip... Then we came down on you like a ton of Bricks
:bricks1: hehe.

Fun times. :tongue:

Yea this thread went on for quite a while :lol:

Originally posted by RedNeck383



HA, Well I'm glad to see you can admit to being called out...

To be honest you know some good stuff to keep us guess for this long.

My friends have been trying to nail you for a while... you just happened to slip... Then we came down on you like a ton of Bricks
:bricks1: hehe.

Fun times. :tongue:

haha right oon....this name has been used by about 5 people. i originally made this name to fuck with people because me and a few freinds stumbled onto the site and saw at least 30 threads discussing cold air intakes and thought it was just a bunch of retards. we knew someone was going to eventually right click :properties to one of the pics and see the cars but o well. we do know what we're talking about (except john...) but the only fast car between us is currently awaiting fuel managment (for the past 8 months).
to dualoverheadcamron....i really dont have any shit with you as you might have picked up on...but if you still want to come down and run the volkswagons i was talking about(which REALLY do exist), your welcome to. 3 of the guys down here want to run.

Okay now, seriously. Someone who isn't fucking around. MY boy here who is a mechanic at a shop in the area still tells me to go ls/vtec turbo with a gsr head. He swears thats the combo I should go for. He swears buy it. He'll do others, but he swears by that one. So seriosuly, whats the deal here. Whtteg? hybridsol? someone? I am not trying to be a so-called "dumbass." I am honestly building an engine. And as you know, thats a shitload of money, well over 5 grand for all of it, turbo etc. well over that. So I am trying to get my facts straight before I go and spend the $$. Also, I know I read in a book by Sport Compact Car that it is bad to stroke a honda engine. If I remember correct, it was because of the rod- stroke ratio, I could be wrong. Anyone know? I am looking for serious info here, not people screwing around. This is pretty much the same info I have been looking for the entire time. So now that we know who on here was screwing around, can people please actually stop screwing around here so I can figure this shit out and start planning my engine more. Thank you to all who help

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)
i got owned. o well. im actually 14 years old and cant even drive yet. you guys were fun though.
damn I guessed 12, so your almost hitting puberty. Time to grow some balls and tell the truth. :loser:

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)
haha right oon....this name has been used by about 5 people. i originally made this name to fuck with people because me and a few freinds stumbled onto the site and saw at least 30 threads discussing cold air intakes and thought it was just a bunch of retards. we knew someone was going to eventually right click roperties to one of the pics and see the cars but o well. we do know what we're talking about (except john...) but the only fast car between us is currently awaiting fuel managment (for the past 8 months).
to dualoverheadcamron....i really dont have any shit with you as you might have picked up on...but if you still want to come down and run the volkswagons i was talking about(which REALLY do exist), your welcome to. 3 of the guys down here want to run.
I don't believe a word you say......

Bunch of retards huh? There are 3 ppl in this thread that have more automotive knowledge than anyone you've ever met or are going to meet. There are actually quite few ppl in this forum, that I'd put money on matching know-how against pretty much anyone. :bigthumb:

You may not have a problem with me, but I have a problem with you. I have a problem with liars taking up my bandwidth, and posting suggestions on motor swaps they know nothing about. :comprage1

As for your friends tell them to bring cash or pink slips handy. :lol: (or I could just take one of their wings home, I love ripping those things off.) Looks like the CRX could see some action soon. :evillol: (doubt I'll need it though)






What an assclown.........

Originally posted by RedNeck383



HA, Well I'm glad to see you can admit to being called out...

To be honest you know some good stuff to keep us guess for this long.

we would have had this fucker three threads ago if hybrid would have grew a set and called him out. No one listens to me. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by eckoman_pdx
Okay now, seriously. Someone who isn't fucking around. MY boy here who is a mechanic at a shop in the area still tells me to go ls/vtec turbo with a gsr head. He swears thats the combo I should go for. He swears buy it. He'll do others, but he swears by that one. So seriosuly, whats the deal here. Whtteg? hybridsol? someone? I am not trying to be a so-called "dumbass." I am honestly building an engine. And as you know, thats a shitload of money, well over 5 grand for all of it, turbo etc. well over that. So I am trying to get my facts straight before I go and spend the $$. Also, I know I read in a book by Sport Compact Car that it is bad to stroke a honda engine. If I remember correct, it was because of the rod- stroke ratio, I could be wrong. Anyone know? I am looking for serious info here, not people screwing around. This is pretty much the same info I have been looking for the entire time. So now that we know who on here was screwing around, can people please actually stop screwing around here so I can figure this shit out and start planning my engine more. Thank you to all who help

Well I have no personal experience with ls/vtec so i don't know the answer about to go for it or something else. I have known a few ppl who have had a ls/vtec and they like it alot and I know a few ppl who have had one and say they would never get another. I think that as long as the head is properly matched to the block and the oil pump is upgraded and the internals are built and everthing is put together right you will be fine. I think ls/vtec gets a bad name from ppl who put it together wrong. As far as a grs head I would go for a b16 head it will be better for turbo, unless you are going to do head work like port/polish etc. Regaurdless of what head you decide on get a good intake manifold and get some turbo cams from crower, skunk2, toda(not sure if they make them or not , but great company) etc. And as far as stroking a honda motor , t would be better to just bore and sleeve it b/c yes the r/s ratio will be worse than it already is. Also put a girdle on the maincaps, this will create a little more rigidity for the bottom end and help keep it together, also don't go over 8k rpm the ls/vtec will destroy itsef in due time if you are going over 8k but you will have a turbo so no need it reving past 8k anyway. Hope this helps and hope you find more info from others as well.:bigthumb:

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

I don't believe a word you say......

Bunch of retards huh? There are 3 ppl in this thread that have more automotive knowledge than anyone you've ever met or are going to meet. There are actually quite few ppl in this forum, that I'd put money on matching know-how against pretty much anyone. :bigthumb:

You may not have a problem with me, but I have a problem with you. I have a problem with liars taking up my bandwidth, and posting suggestions on motor swaps they know nothing about. :comprage1

As for your friends tell them to bring cash or pink slips handy. :lol: (or I could just take one of their wings home, I love ripping those things off.) Looks like the CRX could see some action soon. :evillol: (doubt I'll need it though)


actually...he wasnt refering to you or anyone on this thread as being retards...he was refering to the mass group of people on some of the other forums posting 15 page discussions on intake tubes. we have never said that you or any of your freinds were "retarded". and please dont talk to me about knowing more about automobiles. rich.....the guy that posted on this name and said he was 14, knows more about hondas than 80 percent of the people on this site that have been driving hondas since they've had their license. and actually....since you feel like being a dick. ill waste all the bandwidth i want posting my advice on swaps i know nothing about....
this is the internet captain. we can do whatever the fuck we want.

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)

actually...he wasnt refering to you or anyone on this thread as being retards...he was refering to the mass group of people on some of the other forums posting 15 page discussions on intake tubes. we have never said that you or any of your freinds were "retarded". and please dont talk to me about knowing more about automobiles. rich.....the guy that posted on this name and said he was 14, knows more about hondas than 80 percent of the people on this site that have been driving hondas since they've had their license. and actually....since you feel like being a dick. ill waste all the bandwidth i want posting my advice on swaps i know nothing about....
this is the internet captain. we can do whatever the fuck we want. If your friend rich is the one who posted the bogus times and and the bullshit specs, then he knows jack shit about honda and even less about trap speeds in a quarter mile. I'm sorry that i'm being a dick but eckoman_pdx is looking for help with a swap he was also trying to find out how reliable LS/VTEC is. You've not even done the swap and don't have the car, and your giving him advice? YES, that pisses me off! He was taking your word that this swap was safe and there are no problems b/c you were claiming to have a reliable one. Thats dispicable you should be banned. :mad:

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron
If your friend rich is the one who posted the bogus times and and the bullshit specs, then he knows jack shit about honda and even less about trap speeds in a quarter mile. I'm sorry that i'm being a dick but eckoman_pdx is looking for help with a swap he was also trying to find out how reliable LS/VTEC is. You've not even done the swap and don't have the car, and your giving him advice? YES, that pisses me off! He was taking your word that this swap was safe and there are no problems b/c you were claiming to have a reliable one. Thats dispicable you should be banned. :mad: i said we know about cars...

ive had a built all motor lsvtec old school integra so yes i do have some experience with ls/vtec. one of the guys posting under this name actually knows "jesse" the guy with the lsvtec turbo civic si putting down over 500 to the wheels and almost all of the info he has been using has come from jesse.....who supposedly did the entire thing himself

Hey, thanks for giving me real advice whtteg. Thats for being honest and letting me know what you know about and what you speculate. Thats for helping out. I appericate honesty. Also, thanks for the back-up DblOvrhedCamron, very much appericated. I agree. Posing as someone you are not and lying is dispicable enough, but handing out bogus advice is wrong and dishonest. You are correct, I am trying to find out as much information, fact, etc as I can about the ls/vtec turbo vs regular ls turbo before I start putting money into building my ls up. Especially since thats the current motor in the car, so once I start to build it up, the car is going no-where fast until I am done. Again, thanks to all who are honest, and all who are backing me up like whtteg, DblOvrhedCamron, etc. Anyone with actual knowledge who wants to join the disscusion and talk about what they know, your contributions will be appericated. and I agree DblOvrhedCamron, something should be done about ssshhhh (_burn_), ban him, expose him to all of af, something. I mean, this thread has a ton of innaccurate info or info that he had no clue about. Just a lot of wasted bandwith. I started the thread to get honest advice, not to waste the servers bandwith with bs. Again, thanks to all who provde help and honest information.

BTW, I am not trying to piss anyone off or step on anyone's feet. I am just looking for people with honest, realible, information to contriubte to the thread, not people messing around.

Originally posted by eckoman_pdx
Okay now, seriously. Someone who isn't fucking around. MY boy here who is a mechanic at a shop in the area still tells me to go ls/vtec turbo with a gsr head. He swears thats the combo I should go for. He swears buy it. He'll do others, but he swears by that one. So seriosuly, whats the deal here. Whtteg? hybridsol? someone? I am not trying to be a so-called "dumbass." I am honestly building an engine. And as you know, thats a shitload of money, well over 5 grand for all of it, turbo etc. well over that. So I am trying to get my facts straight before I go and spend the $$. Also, I know I read in a book by Sport Compact Car that it is bad to stroke a honda engine. If I remember correct, it was because of the rod- stroke ratio, I could be wrong. Anyone know? I am looking for serious info here, not people screwing around. This is pretty much the same info I have been looking for the entire time. So now that we know who on here was screwing around, can people please actually stop screwing around here so I can figure this shit out and start planning my engine more. Thank you to all who help
I've helped with an LS VTEC swap but am not really that farmiliar with it, CJ's done one, no turbo though. But he's probably the smartest person I know when it comes to turbo's (give the man some insight). He's pretty good with that shit. I really don't know what to tell you about the head? The b16a head seems to be the better way to go though. Or atleast thats what everyone says. (lower CR).

PS CJ is hybridsol. (Sorry) :biggrin:

haha its funny how many people agreed with my info i know nothing about and thats completely false and how a couple people even got "schooled" on false info about gearing and they instant messaged me and apoligized to me about saying that i was wrong. ooooooo the humor in all of this.

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)
haha its funny how many people agreed with my info i know nothing about and thats completely false and how a couple people even got "schooled" on false info about gearing and they instant messaged me and apoligized to me about saying that i was wrong. ooooooo the humor in all of this.
your still here?
where and why is that humorous? I called you out from the beginning.

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

your still here?
where and why is that humorous? I called you out from the beginning.

Me too, over in the Street Racing forum...Your quarter mile MPHs were so far off it was humerous:rolleyes:

But anyways...I wish one of the old mods here was still around, Baldy. He lives around me. He had a professionally built LS/Vtec in his teg, and it gave him NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS. I've also assisted in the build of one, and granted it runs fine with no issues, but isn't anything super impressive. The way I see it is this...You have, let's say, a 50% chance of it working right. If it does you have a decently running car, that makes decent hp and tq. If it doesn't work that's obviously bad b/c you'll constantly be putting money into it, like Baldy was, or you'll just end up scrapping it after wasting a lot of time and money. To me it's not worth the risk. You can get more power out of a straight b18(I know CJ will agree with me here:biggrin:). That's just my opinion though.

Self, Hey thanx man. You hit the nail on the head for why I have been asking about the LS/Vtec this whole thread. I've heard mixed reviews out it's relaiblity, and I wasn't about to start one with no good info on it. Still trying to figure it all out, and not just LS/Vtec, but what in all I want to do. I mean, turbo. built internals, etc thats given. I just want it figured out before I start as best I can. That way I'll have considerly less suprises almog the way, you know what I mean? And Seriously, someone outta ban that clown that was faking in where, pretending to be who he is not.

ssshhhh (_burn_) :

I was the one that was shown this thread and right-clicked on your supposed pic and found out where it belongs.

You are a despicable fraud who reads about cars on the internet, and think you know them. Go buy some school clothes or something...summer's almost over.

eckoman_pdx:

One of my better friends has a shop here in AZ, and he is a Honda specialist. Between him and everybody else I know that has done the swap, I know to only recommend this swap if you have plenty of engine parts and/or engines laying about your garage.

It's been pretty consistent, but as far as I have seen, 6 months seem to be the average time-period when you have to take the motor apart or close to it due to problems. Unless you're going with highly-forged, highly expensive materials for the internals, don't do it. Since you're going to be spending a lot of money on it in the long run anyway, you'd probably be better-off with a turbo-LS set-up, or if you want to go all-motor, a built b18 or a stroked b16 will go a long way. Somebody else can say Type-R motor, but IMHO, you could spend the extra money on a b16 and have better motor. But if you wan't bragging rights then yeah b18c5/b18c(JDM) all the way.

Hope that helps.

carrrnuttt , thanks a lot. That actually does help. Yeah, by the time you spend all that moeny, every 6 months, that would get bad. I think an LS- Turbo, or even all-motor ls would be better. Definately more reliable than 6 months if done correct. I think I am leaning towards turbo though. I know a proper built all-motor can rock, but I am partial to turbo's:biggrin: Again, thanks for the info, it does help. Thanks for being honest too. Thanks to all who have been honest, instead of fruadulantly posing as someone you are not. Anyways, so yea, I am thinking turbo-ls. I've heard too much negative about the ls-vtec, including from the guy I know who put my swap in. Of course, he didn't care to tell me why it was bad to do the ls-vtec. Just that, "it is, don't do it." And thats how this whole darn thing got started. Anyways, now I can concentrate on lookin into turbo's (or all-motor if I choose, but I don't it), lol. Thanx for your help.:wink:

now I feel like an ass, where the hell is CJ....... any day now bro.......:biggrin2:

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron
now I feel like an ass, where the hell is CJ....... any day now bro.......:biggrin2:


It's all good, I no hurry, lol. From the number of posts this thread has accumulated, I get the feeling it's gonna hang around for a while:biggrin: while we wait for CJ, anyone have an opinion on what turbo's they like:biggrin: I know I'll eventually get around to checkin out the maps and junk on a bunch, but haven't had the time recently, lol.

Originally posted by eckoman_pdx

.....anyone have an opinion on what turbo's they like?

HKS GT2530 Good power, that if tuned right can result in no lag.

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