2000 Ford Winstar Won't Start ECM
DarrenJazz
04-15-2011, 03:59 PM
I'm new to the Forum, but desperately need some help. I have a Ford Winstar that my wife was driving when it just shut off and wouldn't start back up. After some investigation I noticed when I push on this little needle valve on the fuel line nothing would come out with then noticed I wasn't hearing the fuel pump come on when I turned the key.
I had the Van towed back to my (home many miles away) because I thought I was going to have to replace the fuel pump. However, after further investigation I found a blown fuse that was directly linked to the Engine Control Module (ECM). I replaced the fuse but still nothing. So, I ordered a Used ECM off the internet with the exact same serial number on it, and came off a 99/00 Ford Windstar. I put the newly purchased ECM into the Van, but it still doesn't seem to want to start. The Fuel Pump now turns on and pressurizes the line, and the ignition seems to turn over but just won't start.
Anyone have any ideas on how I can fix this Van, my wife is getting very irritated that it has been sitting 4 months now.
Do ECM need to be reconfigured for the new VIN? even if they came out of the exact same vehicle and exact same serial number?
If so, I hate to have this towed to a dealership, is there anyway to just take the ECM in somewhere?
Or do you think the problem is something else?
I had the Van towed back to my (home many miles away) because I thought I was going to have to replace the fuel pump. However, after further investigation I found a blown fuse that was directly linked to the Engine Control Module (ECM). I replaced the fuse but still nothing. So, I ordered a Used ECM off the internet with the exact same serial number on it, and came off a 99/00 Ford Windstar. I put the newly purchased ECM into the Van, but it still doesn't seem to want to start. The Fuel Pump now turns on and pressurizes the line, and the ignition seems to turn over but just won't start.
Anyone have any ideas on how I can fix this Van, my wife is getting very irritated that it has been sitting 4 months now.
Do ECM need to be reconfigured for the new VIN? even if they came out of the exact same vehicle and exact same serial number?
If so, I hate to have this towed to a dealership, is there anyway to just take the ECM in somewhere?
Or do you think the problem is something else?
grog11
04-15-2011, 10:17 PM
I think you will need to take the van along with the old ecm to the dealer and have them do a transfer of the original software flash to the newer ecm you have purchased. The van has additional fem, rem, and other control modules that need to be programmed at the same time as the ecm.
I am assuming that you have an anti theft pats program in that vehicle that would require you to have the keys reprogrammed into the new ecm. My guess is that your old keys electronic security ID, do not match the new ecm, and are not letting the van even start.
You would need the following tool from a dealer or authorized service center to do the work.
Worldwide Diagnostic System (WDS)
418-F224
New Generation Star (NGS) Tester
418-F052 or equivalent diagnostic tool
Note:
The security access procedure is utilized to obtain passive anti-theft system (PATS) security access. PATS security access must be granted to erase ignition keys, enable/disable unlimited key mode, and enable/disable the spare key programming switch (PID SPARE_KEY). The security access procedure invokes an inherent 10 minute time delay prior to granting security access during which the diagnostic tool must remain connected to the vehicle. Once security access has been granted, a security access command menu is displayed which offers various command options. (For additional information, refer to Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Configuration Command Index).
Note:
Once security access has been granted, multiple security access commands should be executed (if necessary) prior to exiting the command menu. This avoids the carrying out of an additional security access procedure and the associated 10 minute time delay.
1. From the diagnostic tool Ford Service Function (FSF) card, enter PCM. Select SECURITY ACCESS. This procedure will take 10 minutes to carry out, during which the ignition switch must be in RUN and the diagnostic tool must be connected to the vehicle.
2. After the 10 minute security access procedure has been completed, a new menu will be displayed with command options. Select only those functions necessary before exiting out of this menu. Once exited out of this menu, the security access procedure must be repeated again to carry out additional commands.
Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment
Special Service Tool(s)
Worldwide Diagnostic System (WDS)
418-F224
New Generation Star (NGS) Tester
418-F052 or equivalent diagnostic tool
Note:
This procedure is used when a customer needs keys programmed into the system and does not have two programmed ignition keys available. This procedure is also useful when programmed ignition key(s) have been lost or a new ignition switch assembly as been installed, and it is desired to erase key(s) from the passive anti-theft system (PATS) memory.
Note:
This procedure will erase all programmed ignition keys from the vehicle memory and the vehicle will not start until two keys have been reprogrammed to the vehicle.
Note:
Two PATS encoded keys with the correct mechanical cut must be available to carry out this procedure. One or both of them may be the customer's original keys.
Note:
If additional keys are to be programmed, refer to «Key Programming Using Two Programmed Keys». If the remaining keys are with the customer and are not available with the vehicle, then instruct the customer to refer to the Owner's Guide under the "Programming Spare (SecuriLock ® North America, Safeguard ® U.K. or PATS for all other markets) Keys Procedure" for instructions on programming the remaining keys.
1. Turn the ignition switch from OFF to RUN.
2. Using the diagnostic tool, follow the SECURITY ACCESS to obtain security access. For additional information, refer to «Anti-Theft Security Access» procedure in this section.
3. From the diagnostic tool menu, select IGNITION KEY CODE ERASE.
4. Note:
Do NOT select any additional commands from this menu.
Turn the ignition switch to OFF and disconnect the diagnostic tool.
5. Insert the first encoded key into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the ignition switch to RUN for three seconds.
6. Insert the second encoded key into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the switch to the RUN position for three seconds.
7. Remove the second encoded key from the ignition lock cylinder.
8. The vehicle should now start with both ignition keys.
Good Luck, and hope things work out for you.
I am assuming that you have an anti theft pats program in that vehicle that would require you to have the keys reprogrammed into the new ecm. My guess is that your old keys electronic security ID, do not match the new ecm, and are not letting the van even start.
You would need the following tool from a dealer or authorized service center to do the work.
Worldwide Diagnostic System (WDS)
418-F224
New Generation Star (NGS) Tester
418-F052 or equivalent diagnostic tool
Note:
The security access procedure is utilized to obtain passive anti-theft system (PATS) security access. PATS security access must be granted to erase ignition keys, enable/disable unlimited key mode, and enable/disable the spare key programming switch (PID SPARE_KEY). The security access procedure invokes an inherent 10 minute time delay prior to granting security access during which the diagnostic tool must remain connected to the vehicle. Once security access has been granted, a security access command menu is displayed which offers various command options. (For additional information, refer to Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Configuration Command Index).
Note:
Once security access has been granted, multiple security access commands should be executed (if necessary) prior to exiting the command menu. This avoids the carrying out of an additional security access procedure and the associated 10 minute time delay.
1. From the diagnostic tool Ford Service Function (FSF) card, enter PCM. Select SECURITY ACCESS. This procedure will take 10 minutes to carry out, during which the ignition switch must be in RUN and the diagnostic tool must be connected to the vehicle.
2. After the 10 minute security access procedure has been completed, a new menu will be displayed with command options. Select only those functions necessary before exiting out of this menu. Once exited out of this menu, the security access procedure must be repeated again to carry out additional commands.
Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment
Special Service Tool(s)
Worldwide Diagnostic System (WDS)
418-F224
New Generation Star (NGS) Tester
418-F052 or equivalent diagnostic tool
Note:
This procedure is used when a customer needs keys programmed into the system and does not have two programmed ignition keys available. This procedure is also useful when programmed ignition key(s) have been lost or a new ignition switch assembly as been installed, and it is desired to erase key(s) from the passive anti-theft system (PATS) memory.
Note:
This procedure will erase all programmed ignition keys from the vehicle memory and the vehicle will not start until two keys have been reprogrammed to the vehicle.
Note:
Two PATS encoded keys with the correct mechanical cut must be available to carry out this procedure. One or both of them may be the customer's original keys.
Note:
If additional keys are to be programmed, refer to «Key Programming Using Two Programmed Keys». If the remaining keys are with the customer and are not available with the vehicle, then instruct the customer to refer to the Owner's Guide under the "Programming Spare (SecuriLock ® North America, Safeguard ® U.K. or PATS for all other markets) Keys Procedure" for instructions on programming the remaining keys.
1. Turn the ignition switch from OFF to RUN.
2. Using the diagnostic tool, follow the SECURITY ACCESS to obtain security access. For additional information, refer to «Anti-Theft Security Access» procedure in this section.
3. From the diagnostic tool menu, select IGNITION KEY CODE ERASE.
4. Note:
Do NOT select any additional commands from this menu.
Turn the ignition switch to OFF and disconnect the diagnostic tool.
5. Insert the first encoded key into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the ignition switch to RUN for three seconds.
6. Insert the second encoded key into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the switch to the RUN position for three seconds.
7. Remove the second encoded key from the ignition lock cylinder.
8. The vehicle should now start with both ignition keys.
Good Luck, and hope things work out for you.
DarrenJazz
04-16-2011, 09:38 AM
Thanks for the detailed response, now I just need to evaluate the cost advantage of doing it my self.
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