Road & Track Compares M3, Z06, & 911

I just received my latest edition of Road & Track, you know, the magazine that has never liked 'vettes:mad: Yeah, that's the one.
Anyway, they took a BMW M3, a Z06, and a 911 and tested them against each other. Talk about biased edititorials!! They called the M3 a "Sports Car" and deducted points from the Z06 for not having back seats:confused: WTF? They said the M3 ran 0-60' times less than .1 secs. off of the Z06 times. We are talking about BMW weighing 300 lbs. more, pushing 343bhp, with 269 lb-ft. of torque and the Z06 pushing 385-385. Guys in our club are turning 0-60' times of 4.0-4.3. They could only get 4.5 with a professional driver? There was 6 pages dedicated to the accolades of the M3 and 1 page about the 'vette & 911. Nice unbiased comparison.
I like the 3 series BMWs, but compare apples to apples.
I just suscribe and am now cancelling my subscription!!

oh yes,
probably ALL car mags are BIASED,
it's actually not BIASED, but CHEAP.
Anybody who pays them wins their "comparison". That's all there's to it. In this case, BMW gave them some $$$ prob.

I agree. The vette is awesome, the BMW is a great car, but there is NO way it can compete with a vette. Besides, teh vette has 10 times the sex appeal. They also said the vette was "a bit rough", but what do u want from a car that is meant to take on the viper (which it does, it is faster accelerating [4 second 0-60 vs a vipers 4.1], and way faster around the track).
Final thought- give the old wussies with the bad backs the M3, but for the real men, the Z06 is bitchin!!

You said it all! :cool:

I've never considered the M3 a sports car.

A sports sedan sure.

They should compare it to a mercedes and other sport luxury cars.

I'm tired of biased editors giving the Bimmers the top honours.

I've driven a BMW 328i. Yes they handle very nicely.

But they don't compare to a Corvette or a Porsche sorry.

Man that's just crumby of them to do that. While I don't doubt the test numbers they came up with (probably related to improper break-in of the Z06) in the R&T article, it is too bad that they have published a biased report on these cars.

I can see eye-to-eye with them in some respects, in that frankly I would take either an M3 or a 911 over a Z06 any day of the week.. unless I was about to race, in which case I would definitely defer to the Z. One can not deny the Z06's goods, in that its performance stats are right up there with the very best production cars the world has to offer, particularly impressive at the Z06's low price. Not to mention it is very accomodating as a cruising automobile as well, and treats its passengers right. I guess it got overshadowed in the article since the M3 is the freshest meat on the market.

M3 the freshest?? Z06 was first driven in August, and I thought that the M3 had been around for a few years. In C&D, they did a comparison between the Viper GTS ACR, Cobra R, and Z06 and ranked the R third, GTS 2nd, and Z06 first. They said the Z06 wasn't the fastest(0-60 in 4.5??) while the Viper was a 4.3 and the R was a 4.6?? Also, the R handled the best with a .98 while the GTS had a .96 and the vette a .93:( WTF?? What really upset me was in earlier editions the vette did 0-60 in 4.2 and had a .99 on the skid-pad. The vette still won though, because they said even though it wasn't the fastest (the viper was quicker)the interior was the nicest, and also it was almost half the cost of the GTS. I like car and driver the best out of C&D, MT, and R&T though. It seems that they are the most unbiased and also the most humurous.

BMW just released an all new M3 late last year. It is much more serious about challenging sports cars like the Z06 than its predecessor.

Z06 is clearly the winner.
R&T should take less bribes and everything will be fine.

It looks like they took the crap numbers of the Z06 and the best of the others.

You guys sure whine a lot. Go out to the Track & see for yourself. That new M3 is a force to dealt with.

Oh I agree, but not against a ZO6. A stock C5 maybe, but not ZO6.

To ThunderFish911, I was merely quoting Chevy's data for the Z06, and one of my magazines data on the Viper, not a Viper ACR, which is even pricier, but, yes, quicker. Really, the only thing holding back both cars is rubber. Put Viper rubber on a Vette Z06, and then the Viper will most likely waste the Viper. Both are great cars, though. The only way to settle this is to find some rich bugger who owns both cars, and have him drive them both at a fragstrip. Any takers???

Yea I like C&D the most too. But ever since there main test guy Don Schroader, died in a fatal crash the numbers have really gone up. Don Schraoder was a amazing driver. They put him against pro drivers and he was able to get the best lap times pretty much every time. I read that R&T article and god, it was so biased. They tried to come up with every excuse to make the Z06 look bad against the M3. The M3 is fast but a regular C5 will probably smoke it. Comparing a speed demon like the Z06 to it isn't fair at all.

What's wrong with you guys? An M3 will rip the engine right out of a stock C5. Especially on the turns. Do you guys understand the potentialy of this car with the right driver? That 01 M3 was faster than the 00 M5. There is no chance in hell it is faster in a strait line but in certain conditions the M3 is ZO6 competition.

The Z06 was made to be a road course racer, not jsut a straight line rocket. It is much faster around the road course (R&T even said the M3 UNDERSTEERS!!!) I have nothing against the M3, but give credit when credit is due, the Z06 is simply the best road-course car you can get for the money!

Originally posted by Chris
...the Z06 is simply the best road-course car you can get for the money!

True...

To ThunderFish911, I NEVER MEANT TO INSULT THE VIPER!!!!!! I agree, it beats the snot out of tons of European cars for WAY less money. And I was quoting CHEVYS FACTORY DATA for the Z06's acceleration times (elsewhere in this site, privateers have recorded times as low as 4.1 seconds, a pro could beat that) I LOVE the Viper, I also love the Z06. Just give credit where it is due!!! BOTH are tremendous performers, the Z06 is just a better bang-for-the-buck (which is what you were using to defend the Viper)

Originally posted by Racer 20
What's wrong with you guys? An M3 will rip the engine right out of a stock C5. Especially on the turns. Do you guys understand the potentialy of this car with the right driver? That 01 M3 was faster than the 00 M5. There is no chance in hell it is faster in a strait line but in certain conditions the M3 is ZO6 competition.
I havea really really tough time believing that. Maybe an M3 will be competition to a regular C5 Coupe (in certain conditions) but not a Z06. The M3 si suppose to be faster than the M5, it's a coupe will the M5 is a sedan. Plus the M5 weighs 4000lbs and has excessive amounts of body roll.

Originally posted by MrCorvetteZ06
M3 the freshest?? Z06 was first driven in August, and I thought that the M3 had been around for a few years. In C&D, they did a comparison between the Viper GTS ACR, Cobra R, and Z06 and ranked the R third, GTS 2nd, and Z06 first. They said the Z06 wasn't the fastest(0-60 in 4.5??) while the Viper was a 4.3 and the R was a 4.6?? Also, the R handled the best with a .98 while the GTS had a .96 and the vette a .93:( WTF?? What really upset me was in earlier editions the vette did 0-60 in 4.2 and had a .99 on the skid-pad. The vette still won though, because they said even though it wasn't the fastest (the viper was quicker)the interior was the nicest, and also it was almost half the cost of the GTS. I like car and driver the best out of C&D, MT, and R&T though. It seems that they are the most unbiased and also the most humurous.
Well remember the skid pad isn't the tell all of handling. It is actually quite poor at showing track prowress. The Supra turbo is known for having great slalom and skid pad numbers...and sucking ass on the track.

they are gay! although personally a 911 turbo would spank a vette.. vettes are fast as shit! but an m3 shouldnt even be in that category! they are nice and all but def not a fast sports car...

it wasn't the 911 turbo just the 911

That is pretty weak of them guys :smoka:

Yeah, a vette is awesome. It is also 30 grand cheaper than a 911, and 80 grand less than an (amazing) 911 turbo. It is awesome!

Originally posted by Racer 20
What's wrong with you guys? An M3 will rip the engine right out of a stock C5. Especially on the turns. Do you guys understand the potentialy of this car with the right driver? That 01 M3 was faster than the 00 M5. There is no chance in hell it is faster in a strait line but in certain conditions the M3 is ZO6 competition.


LAY OFF THE CRACK PIPE...

crack pipe..LOL. I think that the C5 and M3 would be close, but the C5 would still win. I don't know, maybe I'm just a little more partial to Vettes;)

That is a stupid article. I think its nuts to compare a M3 to even a stock C5. I was stationed in Germany and I had my C5 overthere. I was smoking Beamers and Mercedes all the time, as well as I could run with the higherend porches. The 911 is a great car it is the only one desearving of the comparison. They should be comparing M3's to Mustangs. The only Beamer that should be compared to a Vette is the new Z-8. I have taken my car on tight German roads doing 150 Mph and out turning Porches and waisting beamers before. I would expect the Germans to make a fast sedan because evrything overthere is designed for the Autobon so what! But I think the Corvette C5 is redeemed just for the fact that is the first mass produced American muscle to run with the German cars in areas other than the straight line. The Z-06 can turn 1 lateral G there are not many cars that can do that. I always question those roadtests because I see porches at the track all the time and I have no problem running with them. I will admit the Turbo 911 is faster but lets run one against a Lingenfelter Vette, then it will be on the same ground. I think it is comparing apples and oranges to compare a N/A car to a Turbo.

My .02

I wouldnt care if the Beeeeeeeeeemer could smoke the C5 from 0-60, which car is going to turn heads at a stoplight. An M3 looks like a BMW big deal. When I was in Germany I had more blondes wanting to get in my car then I could count;) So I will take the looks of the Vette over a regular Beeeeeeeeemer any day. Hell I would even take a C4 or a 70's Stingray over a Beeeeeemer and I dont even really care for the older vettes at all.

check out the new article in Motortrend.
0-60 M3 4.64 1/4 13.1
0-60 Z06 4.24 1/4 12.5 (i think)
the biggest thing is that 0-100 flashes by over 2 secs faster in the Z06. The slalom was pretty amazing...the Z06 and M3 had the exact same speed, 68.99 mph..i think. The Z06 won every performance category except tying the M3 in the slalom. This was the 2001 Z06 not the 405HP 2002 Z06.

The M3 performed admirably though for weighing over 350lbs more then the Z06 and giving up 50HP. It also sits 4.

As far as the C5 getting you more chicks in Germany...duh... it is super rare in europe. A new M3 seems to have the same affect here in the states!! :) My car seems to attract them also!! ;) Anyway, some interesting numbers...either way...you can't go wrong with either car. I think the C5 and M3 are probably good matches in about any race...save a top speed run. But, other then that....pretty damn close.

Z06Lover...what kind of car do you have? The link in your sig isn't working.

Originally posted by hakka
Z06Lover...what kind of car do you have? The link in your sig isn't working.

yeah, photopoint isn't allowing direct links anymore. You have to cut and paste it. I have a 2001 Yellow Honda S2000, but am a huge fan of the Z06...almost bought one! :) I also love Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, McLaren, Bugatii, Lambo..and on..and on...and on... :)

I just got my hardtop for my S2000...I will have to post some links...it looks pretty cool.

sounds awesome!!

Originally posted by hakka
sounds awesome!!

yeah, i like it. Not as fast as your vettes, but lots of fun!! :)
here is a pict of my car. I will post some picts with the hardtop later.
http://www.engr.orst.edu/~landerer/car.jpg

Use www.imagestation.com it allows linking and its free. :)

Hope you guys like em...i think they look pretty cool!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/pa597b86588089df2ed2a7727446fc661/fe55b2c3.jpg.orig.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/pfc2e513a42aeb779c002902abd5a2fb7/fe55b2c0.jpg.orig.jpg

ok, first of all, road and track called the m3 a "sports car" because it IS a sports car. you're trying to tell me that a car with a straight six, that produces 333 horse and gets 0-60 times under 5 seceonds isn't a sports car? are stupid or just mildy retarded? also, you like the 3 series bmws? well, that's great and all, but the m3 isn't a 3 series, it's an m series, which might explain why it produces more horse power per cylinder than the inefficient z06. and as for those who say there is no way an m3 can compete with a vette, it is competing with the vette! it's as clear as day! with all the articles that read headlines like "m3s versus corvettes versus 911s", the "versus" part simple means a competition, morons. oh, and as for the comment that said the vette was meant to take on the viper - ha ha. that's funny, really it is. the viper produces 0-60 times of 2.9 seconds, the vette can't even brake 4 (probably not even 4.5)! your logic is the equivalent of a 7 year old child with down-syndrome! i could go on for days about your pathetic argument that vettes are better than m3s, but the holes in your "stories" are too numerous to name. finally, let me leave you with this thought, "90% of chevys are still on the road... the other 10% made it home".

Originally posted by sfisher
ok, first of all, road and track called the m3 a "sports car" because it IS a sports car. you're trying to tell me that a car with a straight six, that produces 333 horse and gets 0-60 times under 5 seceonds isn't a sports car? are stupid or just mildy retarded? also, you like the 3 series bmws? well, that's great and all, but the m3 isn't a 3 series, it's an m series, which might explain why it produces more horse power per cylinder than the inefficient z06. and as for those who say there is no way an m3 can compete with a vette, it is competing with the vette! it's as clear as day! with all the articles that read headlines like "m3s versus corvettes versus 911s", the "versus" part simple means a competition, morons. oh, and as for the comment that said the vette was meant to take on the viper - ha ha. that's funny, really it is. the viper produces 0-60 times of 2.9 seconds, the vette can't even brake 4 (probably not even 4.5)! your logic is the equivalent of a 7 year old child with down-syndrome! i could go on for days about your pathetic argument that vettes are better than m3s, but the holes in your "stories" are too numerous to name. finally, let me leave you with this thought, "90% of chevys are still on the road... the other 10% made it home".

You call a lot of people stupied, but you make some pretty stupid comments. A viper does 0-60 in 2.9??? what viper is that? the super viper you made up in your head?? The Venom 800 can do 2.4 0-60 with slicks, but that is hardly stock. The regular viper runs between 4.1 and 4.3 according to Road and Track, Motor Trend and Car and Driver. The new M3 is a great car, but the Z06 is faster. I have driven both...and you can tell. The Z06 is also the fastest stock street legal car at auto-x courses. The National finals winner in SS class was a Z06. Both cars are great. Before you spout your mouth about how dumb people are maybe you should actually know some thing (viper does 0-60 in 2.9 hahahaah), or maybe *shudder* actually drive the cars.

Even this viper, which has 500 HP runs a 4.0 0-60.
http://www.motortrend.com/april99/viper/viper_f.html
Read it yourself.

Originally posted by Z06Lover


You call a lot of people stupied, but you make some pretty stupid comments. A viper does 0-60 in 2.9??? what viper is that? the super viper you made up in your head?? The Venom 800 can do 2.4 0-60 with slicks, but that is hardly stock. The regular viper runs between 4.1 and 4.3 according to Road and Track, Motor Trend and Car and Driver. The new M3 is a great car, but the Z06 is faster. I have driven both...and you can tell. The Z06 is also the fastest stock street legal car at auto-x courses. The National finals winner in SS class was a Z06. Both cars are great. Before you spout your mouth about how dumb people are maybe you should actually know some thing (viper does 0-60 in 2.9 hahahaah), or maybe *shudder* actually drive the cars.

Even this viper, which has 500 HP runs a 4.0 0-60.
http://www.motortrend.com/april99/viper/viper_f.html
Read it yourself.

Actually, if you look at Viper Venom Edition (which is stock for the Venom Edition - meaning no modifications), it does do 0-60 in 2.9. OK, as for the comment "The new M3 is a great car, but the Z06 is faster. I have driven both...and you can tell." You're trying to argue that you can tell there's a difference (something like .3 of a second) in driving the m3 and the z06? ha, it's practically impossible to distinguish .3 of a second... and to claim that you can tell the difference is just insanely idiotic - as if there's a difference at all. and before you "spout your mouth" again maybe you should take some time out of your fantasy world where you can distinguish between half-seconds and return to reality.

Originally posted by sfisher


Actually, if you look at Viper Venom Edition (which is stock for the Venom Edition - meaning no modifications), it does do 0-60 in 2.9. OK, as for the comment "The new M3 is a great car, but the Z06 is faster. I have driven both...and you can tell." You're trying to argue that you can tell there's a difference (something like .3 of a second) in driving the m3 and the z06? ha, it's practically impossible to distinguish .3 of a second... and to claim that you can tell the difference is just insanely idiotic - as if there's a difference at all. and before you "spout your mouth" again maybe you should take some time out of your fantasy world where you can distinguish between half-seconds and return to reality.

You are telling me i can't tell the difference between my car, which can run 0-60 in 5.2 (according to motor trend) and a car that runs 4.7 (a c5)?? like i said....go drive some real cars. You have no clue what you are talking about.

I forgot...0-60 is the only measure of speed. The Z06 does 0-100 it is closer to 2 secs faster.
Also, the venom viper is at this page:
http://maxpages.com/viperhome/1998_Dodge_Hennessey_Venom_600
runs 0-60 in 3.7. The venom 650R runs 3.3, but none of these cars are factory cars. The venom 800 TT runs 2.4 0-60 with slicks and 1/4 9.9, what is your point??

So which 2.9 sec car are you talking about?
http://www.multimania.com/t2j/viper/specveno.htm

Henessey is bringing out a 900 HP TT version of the Z06 later and a 427 (engine size not HP) version of it...I wonder how fast it will run. Or go look at the c4 sledgehammer...top speed 255mph (radar clocked) and 0-60 right around 3 secs. These are not factory cars....get out of fairy land.


My point is still the same. You are magazine racer who has probably never driven anything faster then a pinto in his life. Grow up. Before you call someone a moron...maybe you should have some thing base it on. Everything in your post was like...vettes suck, bmw's rule...that is a great argument.

Man, I sure am glad HS is starting up again...we can get rid of these guys!! :)

Originally posted by Z06Lover


You are telling me i can't tell the difference between my car, which can run 0-60 in 5.2 (according to motor trend) and a car that runs 4.7 (a c5)?? like i said....go drive some real cars. You have no clue what you are talking about.

I forgot...0-60 is the only measure of speed. The Z06 does 0-100 it is closer to 2 secs faster.
Also, the venom viper is at this page:
http://maxpages.com/viperhome/1998_Dodge_Hennessey_Venom_600
runs 0-60 in 3.7. The venom 650R runs 3.3, but none of these cars are factory cars. The venom 800 TT runs 2.4 0-60 with slicks and 1/4 9.9, what is your point??

So which 2.9 sec car are you talking about?
http://www.multimania.com/t2j/viper/specveno.htm

Henessey is bringing out a 900 HP TT version of the Z06 later and a 427 (engine size not HP) version of it...I wonder how fast it will run. Or go look at the c4 sledgehammer...top speed 255mph (radar clocked) and 0-60 right around 3 secs. These are not factory cars....get out of fairy land.


My point is still the same. You are magazine racer who has probably never driven anything faster then a pinto in his life. Grow up. Before you call someone a moron...maybe you should have some thing base it on. Everything in your post was like...vettes suck, bmw's rule...that is a great argument.

Man, I sure am glad HS is starting up again...we can get rid of these guys!! :)

well, it's now very clear that nothing, even remotely rational can pass through z06Lover's head, probably because it's too clogged with exhaust fumes from having his mouth wrapped around his c5's tailpipe. anyway, i hope someday, you can learn not to be so offended by the truth, otherwise you're in for some big disappointments in your life. and as for "...vettes suck, bmw's rule..." - hey, you said it not me, but i can accept that. also, the high school comment was a bit unecessary (nevertheless false) but i guess that's what i can learn to expect from z06Lover who obviously is still recovering from his failed attempt at getting a GED. that is all. don't expect to get a reply from me, i don't have the time to teach you "how not to be a close-minded piece of trash trying to make up for his lack of a penis by boasting about his corvette"

sfisher, shape up will you. Lose the attitude. I probably would have deleted your post if Z06lover hadn't shown you up nicely.


And why bring the whole horse power per liter/cylinder argument in here? I thought only ricers used that. There is a reason for the Corvette's high-ish displacement, torque and potential. The BMW is probably very close to its NA output potential. And if you want to talk about efficient engines compare the two cars fuel economy. They are very close I'd imagine - despite the BMWs fewer cylinders and lower displacement.

Originally posted by sfisher


well, it's now very clear that nothing, even remotely rational can pass through z06Lover's head, probably because it's too clogged with exhaust fumes from having his mouth wrapped around his c5's tailpipe. anyway, i hope someday, you can learn not to be so offended by the truth, otherwise you're in for some big disappointments in your life. and as for "...vettes suck, bmw's rule..." - hey, you said it not me, but i can accept that. also, the high school comment was a bit unecessary (nevertheless false) but i guess that's what i can learn to expect from z06Lover who obviously is still recovering from his failed attempt at getting a GED. that is all. don't expect to get a reply from me, i don't have the time to teach you "how not to be a close-minded piece of trash trying to make up for his lack of a penis by boasting about his corvette"

haha.....whatever..i don't even have a z06 ...i have a S2000, which you would know..if you actually read the posts on here, but that isn't surprising. Just like every troll...once the facts are presented...the throw insults and run away...good bye troll.

Originally posted by Lizard King
sfisher, shape up will you. Lose the attitude. I probably would have deleted your post if Z06lover hadn't shown you up nicely.


And why bring the whole horse power per liter/cylinder argument in here? I thought only ricers used that. There is a reason for the Corvette's high-ish displacement, torque and potential. The BMW is probably very close to its NA output potential. And if you want to talk about efficient engines compare the two cars fuel economy. They are very close I'd imagine - despite the BMWs fewer cylinders and lower displacement.
do you have any idea what he is talking about??
I don't even know what his post was about. All I saw were made up stats and completely biased opinons about cars he has never and will never drive....bizarre.
Where do these guys come from???? :)

lol I guess I should have ignored him after seeing his Viper stats.

sfisher is an......idiot

0-60 in 2.9, yeah, sure.
Also, the M3 got .89g's, the vette got 1 full g or ear-bleeding grip.

Also, a lingenfelter TT vette (not even Z06) went 226 mph, with a Zo6 as a start, bored and stroked to 427.6 (or .8) inches, with tt's, theres 900+ hp, and probably 280 mph. The little M3 with a monster blower, maybe 700hp and 200 mph. PEANUTS! HAHAHAHAHA


And MT got the vette to 60 in 4.24 seconds, and the 2002 is supposed to go in "under 4 seconds" Ferraris beware!!


PS. zo6lover, your car looks extra good with the roof. Sorry to learn that the Comptech blower barely increases acceleration. It creates a bog em or burn em situation. If you put on some bigger rubber, you might see some improvement in your spinal compression (something not experienced in sfishers pinto):silly2:

lol i cant belive i missed this crack pot lol! what a loser!

Ok, corvettes are the best or many reasons. First of all, they come in three varieties: coupe, convertable, and Z06. And guess what, all three can be driven every day, but the Z06 is a bit harsh for city driving. The technology, engineering and thought put into corvettes is unparraleled.
Here is a list of cars vettes are better than....
-all porsches
-BMW M3 & Z8
-any jap crap
-mustangs
-and guess what....vettes are America's ultimate sports car, so they are better than vipers ;)
-also....why go out and get a ferrari when you can go out and get a vette which is faster the any current production ferrari, just as good handling, and better skidpad performance....and.....why get a lamborghini when a Z06 is just as fast and beats it ineverything else

corvette:monkeypis porsche, bmw, mustang, jap crap

VETTES RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!:ylsuper

M3 is a force or reckoning for you winey vette lovers
the M# is also nice and comfotable and fits alot of people to boot
take off the M3 body and slap some 2nd rate aerodynimic doorstop known as the corvette, save some serious pounds off its also pretty slim weight line by taking out seats and options and the M3 would pass that vette like it was going backwards

the vette is a nice car, its classy and its eternal
but its not the super amazing rocket it was when it first cmae out along time ago
ever manufacture pretty much on the road today has a compartable model most even a step ahead

Nope, an M3 is no "force of reckoning". M3's are one of the wussiest cars (next to porsches). They are the definition of a bs sportscar, with their pretty little wood grain interiors and that o-so-girly 3 series exterior. Fine take a few pounds of your wuss mobile. A Z06 will put you to shame either way. And sorry, there are no companies with a car that can match a corvette with bang for the buck. And actually, there are only a very small handfull that have a (stock) car that can beat a Z06 in every performance catagory. Ferrari, (currently) nope. BMW, sorry. Lamborghini, ah-uh. Porsche, one...the GT2 which only the super rich can afford anyway. You'll never see one on the road. Ford, don't make me laugh. Aston Martin, no can do. Maseratti, nah. Dodge Viper, equal speed but can't do it handleing wise. That about sums it up.

Vettes rule and you know it!!!! :D

I'm seeing 2 extremes here, one for and one against the vette.

So lets just say the vette rules, unless you need a back seat:)

if your referring to me as being against vette extreme
its just not so
its a nice car and a good value for what you get...as with all domestic cars

i just dont like arrogance about anything

my favorite car is the mazda rx-7 not only does it perform its downright sexy heh

but if someone came on and said RX7 would beat every other car in everything blah blahc ect
i woudl argue with them too

Originally posted by Mylacc
...take off the M3 body and slap some 2nd rate aerodynimic doorstop...


uhhh, actually, the C5 has one of the lowest drag coefficients of any production car in history... .29 to be exact :rolleyes:

I'm just saying some people are touting the vette, and others are slamming it. I'm to tired to post now, but I will do a long one now.

This will probably come off wrong, so think of the least threating way this can be taken

Originally posted by sfisher
"90% of chevys are still on the road... the other 10% made it home".

Just to funny and true as well. :devil:

I guess it's time for me to chime in here...
I watched the comparison on Speedvision a few weeks ago, and was rather upset.
This test was supposed to be a PERFORMANCE TEST.
That was the name of it...This wasn't a test to see who is ALMOST as fast, yet can seat 2 more people.

In every aspect of the PERFORMANCE TEST, Chevy's Corvette ZO6 won.
Yet, for some reason, it wasn't the winner. Why? Because the testers obviously felt that since the M3 had 2 extra doors and 2 extra seats, along with more leather, and a bigger price tag, it HAD to win. :rolleyes:

Face it, the M3 won because the testers gave it points for being "pretty"
But this wasn't a damn beauty contest, it was a PERFORMANCE TEST!

I really like both the ZO6 as well as the M Series cars, but when I'm going to go shopping for a car that's going to kick ass at the strip AND road course, I'm going to turn to the Corvette (or to MY car)
:D

OH yeah, and 1 more thing...
Maybe we can do a comparison of the C6 ZO6 with the M3 ?

I'll guarantee you right now that the M3 will look just plain SILLY when the C6 comes out.
Chevy's dropped the F-Body platform, and now they're going Viper/Ferrari Hunting!

You can COUNT on the base Vette having over 400hp and the ZO6 over 450!

Originally posted by Blackbird01
OH yeah, and 1 more thing...
Maybe we can do a comparison of the C6 ZO6 with the M3 ?

I'll guarantee you right now that the M3 will look just plain SILLY when the C6 comes out.
Chevy's dropped the F-Body platform, and now they're going Viper/Ferrari Hunting!

You can COUNT on the base Vette having over 400hp and the ZO6 over 450!

the most important thing about the C6 Z06 is that it may very well weight around 2800 lbs putting it above the new viper in HP/Weight by over .5lb/HP. If this ends up being true look for the C6 Z06 to be one of the fastest production cars in term of acceleration for hopefully around 50k.

A good friend of mine had the chance to talk with a guy involved with the C5R Race Team. He also was semi involved with the designing of the C6 (which actually is still not completely done).
The guy wouldn't tell him exactly what was going to happen, but he said that you CAN expect there to be a lot more power then they have now.
There WILL be a C6 ZO6, and there is a possibility that it may be a DOHC or "2 in the Valley" design. Either way, he said watch for a "multi-cam" setup with more cubic inches then the current Vette.

That means, BIG MOTOR with DOHC! Yay!
They are also going to offer a right hand drive version to be made for Europe. GM plans to go Ferrari killin!

ok luke that is going a little far. vettes are wonderful. i love them but they aren't as godly as you seem to think. they are not better then all porsches. I am sorry but a z06 is amazing at $50k but it is not going to compete that closely and certainly not destroy a $200k porsche. it just won't happen. and don't go generalizing and call all japanese cars crap. there are some real gems in there. rx-7 tt, supra tt, 300zx tt. admittedly the z06 can beat some of the jap cars but not all of them.

their is just something about a vette. dont z06's run like 3.9 sec. the vette gets her wet.