Road & Track Compares M3, Z06, & 911

I don't understand why people compare the Vette and the M3. They are two completly different cars for two different buyers.

The Vette has a sexy exterior amazing performance and it is about uncompromised speed.Yet it does retain some qualities that allow it to be a daily driver sort of.

The Z06 - Wants to live on the race track and has what it takes to win.

The M3 has a well appointed luxurious cabin that can seat 4 comfortably. Also it has great performance numbers but it can still fit into a conservative take the clients out to dinner mold.

They are both great cars but for different lifestyles. Discussing whether one is .5 seconds faster than the other is really useless. The real question is what kind of experience do want to get out of your car

Luxury 4 seater with the true heart of a sports car - M3

Sexy performace driven race car that doubles as a daily driver - Vette

Your lifestyle should determine which one you choose. Since we are having this conversation on the Vette board I can guess which one the majority of you guys will go for, and thats great.

I think the magazines do us all a bit of a dis-service by taking cars that were built on 2 diffferent premises and comparing them at all, no matter what the numbers say.

Originally posted by Vertigo
I don't understand why people compare the Vette and the M3. They are two completly different cars for two different buyers.

The Vette has a sexy exterior amazing performance and it is about uncompromised speed.Yet it does retain some qualities that allow it to be a daily driver sort of.

The Z06 - Wants to live on the race track and has what it takes to win.

The M3 has a well appointed luxurious cabin that can seat 4 comfortably. Also it has great performance numbers but it can still fit into a conservative take the clients out to dinner mold.

They are both great cars but for different lifestyles. Discussing whether one is .5 seconds faster than the other is really useless. The real question is what kind of experience do want to get out of your car

Luxury 4 seater with the true heart of a sports car - M3

Sexy performace driven race car that doubles as a daily driver - Vette

Your lifestyle should determine which one you choose. Since we are having this conversation on the Vette board I can guess which one the majority of you guys will go for, and thats great.

I think the magazines do us all a bit of a dis-service by taking cars that were built on 2 diffferent premises and comparing them at all, no matter what the numbers say.

AMEN TO THAT!

Originally posted by fearless_simian
ok luke that is going a little far. vettes are wonderful. i love them but they aren't as godly as you seem to think. they are not better then all porsches. I am sorry but a z06 is amazing at $50k but it is not going to compete that closely and certainly not destroy a $200k porsche. it just won't happen. and don't go generalizing and call all japanese cars crap. there are some real gems in there. rx-7 tt, supra tt, 300zx tt. admittedly the z06 can beat some of the jap cars but not all of them.

I agree that vettes are great for the money, but anyone who has sat in a Porsche, Ferrari, or Lambo knows that if you have more money you get more car. The Z06 maybe as fast as the 911 turbo in almost all respects, but you need new brakes and a transmission cooler to run with a 996TT on the track. While, these do not somehow make the Z06 cost as much as teh $120k 911 turbo...it just shows that Porsche did more research in making the 911 turbo a track monster right out of the box. Also, the interior of the z06 is a far cry from a 911 turbo, new ferrari or lambo...again part of the price difference. While, a Z06 is fast as hell and has great numbers they have been show to get beat by other cars through corners. Having a huge engine up front doen't exactly give them supreme handling feel or control.

With that being said the Z06 is the best bang for the buck all around sports car on the marked..followed by my car the s2000 IMO. I'm talking new cars here. Also, a Z06 will run away from any japanese stock sports car on the planet. No Supra TT, Rx7, S2000,300zx,WRX Sti, Evo 7, or skyline can run with a Z06 if the japanese car is stock. 2002 Z06's are pushing high 11's stock in the 1/4. I have seen the timeslips personally. With Header, exhaust, and intake they can be running mid 11's for around $2k..not bad. Also, i hate comparing NA engines with turbos. There is no comparison. I would rather have a lower HP NA motor anyday for driving around town or a track then some turbo motor. Throttle response and controlability just go down hill fast with a turbo setup. Now if all you are is a 1/4 junkie FI is the way to go. Anyone seen the video of the Lingenfelter TT 427 vette running a 9.7 1/4. The car sounds and looks no different then a regular vette at idle...the thing is just amazing. There is a video where it runs with a viper ACR...oh my!! Talk about getting walked! :)

Why do they compare the Z06 with a Porsche 911. They are comparing the top of the line Corvette with the bottom of the line Porsche 911. If your going to compare a top of the line Corvette ZO6 than compare it to the top of the line Porsche 911 Turbo. The Corvette ZO6 doesn't even come close. Porsche did 0-60 in 3.9 seconds a LONG time ago. Back even before 1997. That was when Corvettes broke the 5 second barrier with a 0-60 in 4.7 seconds. The time differences with the Porsche 911 turbos and Corvette ZO6 are so great that the cars can't even be compared. Don't get started with price tages. Sure the Trubo Costs more but its a Porsche. The Corvette is a Chevy. What sounds better? "I got a Chevy baby!" Or "Wanna ride my Porsche-uh?" I'll take the Porsche anyday. And it's not all about looks. Not definetly not. The Porsche is a great deal. You just don't know what your getting with it. Tip-tronic tranny. (this isn't new) A MUCH SAFER CAR! 4 wheel drive. UNBELIEVABLE handling. And incredible areodynamics in the Porsche-uh not only make it faster, but sticks in on the road. A Porsche-uh base 911 to turbo can take corners at speeds the Corvette ZO6 would'nt even dare to take. And you get all the luxury of a luxury car in the Porsche-uh. The new Porsche-uh 911s do 0-60 in 3.7 (some faster) and Porsche is soon to release a supercar. A PRODUCTION car that will be faster than the mclaren, and maybe even the Sledgehammer. Cayanne? The fastest SUV soon to be released by Porsche. What's this say about a company? It makes the best and fastest cars. Chevy shouldn't even be compared to a porsche. The other thing thats odd is that Porsche cars are 6 cylenders while corvettes are 8. Porsche handles better, and is much faster. Hows a top speed of 190mph sound for an old 911 turbo? STOCK!

"It's just Porsche magic."

well if the z06 couldnt compete with the porsche, then why would car magazines be doing comperison storys on the two cars? sure porsche could beat the z06, but it will cost 50k more! And if chevy put 50k more into the z06, lamborghini would have a hard time keeping up! And if you think that porshce has better aerodynamics than the zo6 then your a retard! sure any six cylendar can be fast with a turbo, put a turbo on the 5.7L and see what happens. You need to get off your soap box and go buy a vette!

Originally posted by Porsche911T
Why do they compare the Z06 with a Porsche 911. They are comparing the top of the line Corvette with the bottom of the line Porsche 911. If your going to compare a top of the line Corvette ZO6 than compare it to the top of the line Porsche 911 Turbo. The Corvette ZO6 doesn't even come close. Porsche did 0-60 in 3.9 seconds a LONG time ago. Back even before 1997. That was when Corvettes broke the 5 second barrier with a 0-60 in 4.7 seconds. The time differences with the Porsche 911 turbos and Corvette ZO6 are so great that the cars can't even be compared. Don't get started with price tages. Sure the Trubo Costs more but its a Porsche. The Corvette is a Chevy. What sounds better? "I got a Chevy baby!" Or "Wanna ride my Porsche-uh?" I'll take the Porsche anyday. And it's not all about looks. Not definetly not. The Porsche is a great deal. You just don't know what your getting with it. Tip-tronic tranny. (this isn't new) A MUCH SAFER CAR! 4 wheel drive. UNBELIEVABLE handling. And incredible areodynamics in the Porsche-uh not only make it faster, but sticks in on the road. A Porsche-uh base 911 to turbo can take corners at speeds the Corvette ZO6 would'nt even dare to take. And you get all the luxury of a luxury car in the Porsche-uh. The new Porsche-uh 911s do 0-60 in 3.7 (some faster) and Porsche is soon to release a supercar. A PRODUCTION car that will be faster than the mclaren, and maybe even the Sledgehammer. Cayanne? The fastest SUV soon to be released by Porsche. What's this say about a company? It makes the best and fastest cars. Chevy shouldn't even be compared to a porsche. The other thing thats odd is that Porsche cars are 6 cylenders while corvettes are 8. Porsche handles better, and is much faster. Hows a top speed of 190mph sound for an old 911 turbo? STOCK!

"It's just Porsche magic."
are you on crack?
R&T got 3.9 0-60 with 996 911 TT.
4.0 with Z06 pretty much the difference is launching with AWD vs RWD.
Motor Trend same thing.
Both torch off the 1/4 mile in high 11's.
Both finish at about 160mph in the standing mile.
Both have similar corner speeds on tracks with the Z06 winning in the tight corners and the 996 TT going faster in longer sweepers. Both have similar braking distances. The Z06 has issues with brake fade and transmission over heating but both can be fixed for under $5k. So at a price of less then half of a 911 TT you get a car that is roughly equivalent in stock form. Now if you wanna talk mods the handling of having an engine in the back can give you an advantage, but having an extra 2.1 liters can give you an even bigger advantage. Some of the fastest street cars i have seen run on road courses have been 993 911's, 944 turbos and you aren't gonna believe this but it is true IROC's!! :) head over to cornercarvers.com and ask them about good track cars. :)

Now if you just wanna impress chicks...screw paying $120k+ for a 911 turbo..buy a ferrari 308 for about 25k and most chicks are so dumb they will think you have money cuz you have a ferrari and jump in your car. Of course you now a money grubbing hooker in the car with you...but that is your business. :D\

oh by the way...the carrera Gt will have a mid-mounted v10, with around 580 HP and weigh in the 2400lb range...making it incredibly fast, but not as fast as a mclaren. It is an open cock-pit (convertible with no top like the F50) so no way it will have a top speed faster then the mclaren or the sledgehammer. The only car that will top those two will be the new buggati with the quad turbo W16 engine pushing 1009 HP. The carrera GT is a stunning looking car and the handling should be on par with any road car ever made.

Amen.

Porsche, sure it's a great car, but for 120k? Come on...Tiptronic Transmission ISN'T anything "new". It's in the damn ECLIPSE!
You can have your Porsche and your new fangled "Tiptronic" transmission. I'd take a ZO6, spend the extra money I saved, stop by Lingenfelter and have him build me a 427TT motor with the Aerodynamics kit...
Faster then your Porsche will EVER be.

Just stop by www.Lingenfelter.com and check out their 427TT.

Retarted? No. If anyone is retarted it's you. Porsche has downforce and is slick which is tuff to get in a car. This car bites into turns and is slippery. The Corvettes end tends to break traction and spin out on turns. Thats what happens when you put too much horse power in a car that can't take it. Porsches have as much if not more horsepower in their turbos but they can take the power much better than a RWD vette. Oh, as for the 200+ mph porsche thats going to be faster than the mclaren and sledgehammer? You got the wrong one, get your information striaght I know what im talking about. I would say one of the best cars ever built would be the Porsche 959. This car is faster than a Vettes 170mph, infact the porsche 959 does 198mph. What about performance? Try 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. Thats faster than a vette will ever be.. but speed isn't the only thing! A sledgehammer may be slightly faster than this by 40mph tops... but what the sledge hammer built to tackle offroad dunes and WRC conditions? NO! This car is also older than the sledgehammer.... this is the monster:
http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/machine/por9591.jpg
But wait, theres more! What about that 200+ mph beast I was telling you about that can beat a sledgehammer or a F1? It's a Porsche! 200+ mph only 700 horses? This car has been seen blowing past the radar at already 220 mph, which isn't near It's limit! It can go much faster. Thats magic... heres the beast:

http://www.car.co.nz/images/articles/980/lg_980_1.jpg

So please, before you so everyone how full of stupidity you are, get your information straight. A corvette is like a honda civic to porsche!

Originally posted by Blackbird01
Amen.

Porsche, sure it's a great car, but for 120k? Come on...Tiptronic Transmission ISN'T anything "new". It's in the damn ECLIPSE!
You can have your Porsche and your new fangled "Tiptronic" transmission. I'd take a ZO6, spend the extra money I saved, stop by Lingenfelter and have him build me a 427TT motor with the Aerodynamics kit...
Faster then your Porsche will EVER be.

Just stop by www.Lingenfelter.com and check out their 427TT.

i agree, but for many road courses a properly setup 700HP 911 (the gemballa turbo for example) will run circles around a lingenfelter vette. The engine in the back gives a 911 an amazing edge in corner ability when driven correctly...even though it can be very difficult. Now as far as 1/4 is concerned the vette will win everytime, but a old camaro can be made to run faster then a TT vette very easily and cheaply in the 1/4. so it is all relative. The vette is as fast as the 911 turbo, but much cheaper, but an old fixer upper can be faster then the vette for less money also. It all comes down to what you want in a car and how much money you have. I would love a 996 TT since i'm porsche junkie, since i was 6!! :) I would also love the new VW W12, Z06, Ferrari 360 modena, etc! :) And, I drive an S2000 right now...go figure!! :) I love sports cars what can I say! :D

By old camaro, how old? I'm a camaro fan.

:mad: Okay, okay, I understand the nature of heated debate. But I don't want people calling each other "retards" and what-not. So try to keep it friendlier. Carry on.

Thanks, Happy New Year-

-JD

Originally posted by Porsche911T
Retarted? No. If anyone is retarted it's you. Porsche has downforce and is slick which is tuff to get in a car. This car bites into turns and is slippery. The Corvettes end tends to break traction and spin out on turns. Thats what happens when you put too much horse power in a car that can't take it. Porsches have as much if not more horsepower in their turbos but they can take the power much better than a RWD vette. Oh, as for the 200+ mph porsche thats going to be faster than the mclaren and sledgehammer? You got the wrong one, get your information striaght I know what im talking about. I would say one of the best cars ever built would be the Porsche 959. This car is faster than a Vettes 170mph, infact the porsche 959 does 198mph. What about performance? Try 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. Thats faster than a vette will ever be.. but speed isn't the only thing! A sledgehammer may be slightly faster than this by 40mph tops... but what the sledge hammer built to tackle offroad dunes and WRC conditions? NO! This car is also older than the sledgehammer.... this is the monster:
http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/machine/por9591.jpg
But wait, theres more! What about that 200+ mph beast I was telling you about that can beat a sledgehammer or a F1? It's a Porsche! 200+ mph only 700 horses? This car has been seen blowing past the radar at already 220 mph, which isn't near It's limit! It can go much faster. Thats magic... heres the beast:

http://www.car.co.nz/images/articles/980/lg_980_1.jpg

So please, before you so everyone how full of stupidity you are, get your information straight. A corvette is like a honda civic to porsche!

Oh so because a corvette is RWD it can't be as fast as an AWD 996 TT because it has too much power to the rear wheels?? :) OH man...where do these guys come from. You know which street car holds the record at laguna seca for the fastest time ever a 993 modified porsche running RWD instead of AWD at over 700 HP. Every car in the top 10 is a RWD only car. So how does the vette have disadvantage by running RWD only??

The 959 was a great car, but anyone who knows cars knows that is was too heavy and got torched by F40 back in the day. Of course it ran off road, but also it got smoked on ralley courses by subarus. It did the win the paris dakar ralley which is a lame rally race. It never could take on the more common rally races that you see on espn 2 because it AWD system (which was amazing, the best system ever made in terms of how good it worked) was very heavy and it made the car too heavy.
here is a good AWD article
http://www.eskimo.com/~eliot/awd.html
good article on the 959 vs f40. The 959 had a faster 0-60, but by the time the speeds got to 100 and above the F40 just torched it because of it's higher HP and less drivetrain losses and much lower weight.
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/959/959_9.htm

Of course the 959, and 911 TT that have awd are gonna hookup better, but going 0-60 the fastest does not a race car make. Most road courses you are going faster then 60 through many corners and many have 1-3 miles straigh stretches.
Also which 911 TT does 0-60 in 3.6, the 1997 993 Turbo S was the only one to ever be tested that fast. The 959 also did it, but it wasn't a 911. The 911 turbo does not have a 3.6 0-60, but is a faster car overall since it has a better coefficent of friction.

When this super porsche that runs over 220+ (whichs is still less the the mclaren of sledghammers top speed by 20+mph and less then the new buggati's by 30 mph) comes out then I will give you that one. But since it is going to have 700HP or so and the bugatti is going to have 1009HP...hmmm...I wonder which will havea higher top speed. Top speed is a function of HP and coefficent of drag. The bugatti will win the HP race by over 300HP and has a very slippery shape...good lock porsche.
info on this awesome car
.http://www.vwvortex.com/news/09_01/bugatti/index.shtml

996 TT has downforce?? :) hahah...the standard 911 actually creates lift at over 100mph that is what the Gt3 aero kit was designed for to cancel that lift. Even with that kit a standard 911 doesn't create downforce, but instead gets rid of the annoying and dangerous lift. A stock bodies C5 ran 226 MPH with a 620HP TT Lingenfelter kit. That was with no modifications to the body. The only reason the vette has a top speed of only 170 (2002 Z06) is because of gearing. 5th and 6th gear are a little too high for gas mileage concerns.

I didn't show any stupidity. The only thing i misunderstood was the fact you were talking about a porsche super car that doesn't exist. It is has not be annouced by Porsche for production. The only porsche super car that has been annouced for production is the carrera GT.
here is a quote about your porsche super car:
"Although its existence is denied by Porsche officials, rumors have been circulating throughout the German automotive press for some time now about a new supercar currently in development. Details are sketchy, but early guesses pin the horsepower number around 700 and the top speed at over 220 mph. Power will likely come from an enlarged version of the 4.5-liter aluminum V8 from the
upcoming Cayenne SUV."
I hope it comes out...I would love to see it.
You said a 911 turbo does 0-60 in 3.6 secs. That is pretty vague since only one 911 turbo has ever done that. When you post be more specific and don't try to get people pissed by posting in the corvette forum about how much better porsche's are. I love porsche's, but corvettes are great cars too, and so are ferraris and others.

By the way I'm curious what do you drive? Can I see a picture of it?

Originally posted by Porsche911T
By old camaro, how old? I'm a camaro fan.

well, i saw a 69 (i think it was a 69, but i may have been a 68) run a low 8 1/4 pass here in oregon at woodburn drag strip. Of course it had a blower the size of basketball sticking out of the hood!! :)
here is one! :)
http://www.cars-on-line.com/1udirectory/68cam3294-B.JPG
7.93 @ 178mph! :)

So your telling me that porsche has better aerodynamics, because its slick and has downforce! Man you proved me wrong! You dont think that the z06 has downforce? and is slick!:rolleyes:

Yeah I see lots of 60s camaros at my drag track. I'm thinking of getting a late 70s camaro.. seems like a very reliable car.. not the fastest but something my dad had and he realy enjoyed. Plus they are cheap now, and it looks like the value is only going up.

Im sorry I just like causeing trouble:flipa: :finger: :devil: :bloated: The fuck did you do to my eye! ahh please dont stick your stick shift in it

Stick shift? Wouldn't you rather have "Tiptronic"...?

Personally, I like Porsche's, but I don't necessarily think the 911 Turbo is worth it's hefty price tag. I had the chance to drive a 2001 911 Turbo, and yes, it was an amazing car....You turn the ignition and SILENCE. The car truely is a luxury/performance package.
But for the $, I'd rather have the ZO6. Corvette heritage, AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR SOUND and it has the ability to keep up with just about anything on the road these days, and not to mention, it's 1/3 the price!

I have had the chance to buy a corvette. I love the old ones but any 1978 to present just don't please me. I think the body is dull and too plain. The interior on the other hand is extremly nice. Anyways, test dricing the corvette was fun, but I didn't feel any extreem acceleration that I expected. Hell, I feel more torque in my sister's four cylender acura integra. I guess the integra is just lighter and revers up higher than V8s. The corvette is like riding a jacuzzi. I bet the people that own the run over atleast 10 squirles and other things a day without even knowing it. But the old corvette, I LOVE. The bodies are unbelievably beautiful and the C3 vettes have a real nice interior. I like the C3s up to the end of the flying butress. I don't like the looks of all that glass. The C4s never attracted me and the new vette is "ehh". When I look at it the body is too plain and doesn't catch my eye. And no my friend another beautyful thing about tiptronic is that you can't stick it in your eye:licker:
One last thing, my car is an old Porsche 911 from 1969. Though the base 911 and the only one with carbs and no MFI, its still faster than some of the 70s-80s corvettes. And the 69T only got 120 Horsepower. Thats magic to get a car to go so fast with so little power. As for acceleration, average. The 1969 911S with MFI tops at 170 mph. The car is just as fast as the ZO6. Surprising isn't it? 33 year old monster is faster that cars today...

What made me get the Porsche 911 rather than Corvette? Safety. Corvette is 1/3 of the price as a Porsche, but if you crash in a corvette its likely thats the last time you'll drive one, or in fact drive anything. You can't put a price on life.

Corvette= Raw Power and Performance
Porsche(excluding the Boxster)= Prestige and Performance

Gsteg - I agree with you about the boxster. I would never buy one, its just a fad. Wait a decade and it will just fade. This is why I'm mad the Corvette is compared to the boxster most of the time. The boxster is porsches cheapest model. Corvette is chevys best.

Porche 911
Anyways, test dricing the corvette was fun, but I didn't feel any extreem acceleration that I expected. Hell, I feel more torque in my sister's four cylender acura integra. I guess the integra is just lighter and revers up higher than V8s.

98 Integra 127 lb ft @ 5200 rpm
C5 Vette 400 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm

I can see how you had trouble telling the difference. :rolleyes:

First of all you dont know which Corvette I test drove, what year, engine model.
You dont even know what acura she has, year, model.

OMG why must you assume everything. I give facts, you say what you think.:rolleyes:

My sisters got a 1997 Acura integra LS. 128ft trq and weights 2685lbs
The Corvette I test drove was a L48 has near 200ft trq and weights 3,534 lbs

The corvette is 1,000 lbs heavier! I definetly noticed a difference with the integra and corvette. The integra was quicker, lighter and accelerated better than the corvette. The corvette was also 350 ci while the integra is 110ci.. yet the integra was faster. I could barely tell a difference with my fathers nissan pathfinder and the corvette acceleration. My fathers SUV has more horsepower than the vette, is bigger and accelerates about the same as the corvette.
Plus you crash in an integra (I have) you don't die, as a matter of fact I didnt even get a scratch. But if you crash in a vette you die. Go to crashtests.com. There arent many people that get injured in a vette, but the death rate is Poor ( the worst you could get). Maybe nobody gets injured in a vette because they all die...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Porsche911T
My sisters got a 1997 Acura integra LS. 128ft trq and weights 2685lbs
The Corvette I test drove was a L48 has near 200ft trq and weights 3,534 lbs

The corvette is 1,000 lbs heavier! I definetly noticed a difference with the integra and corvette. The integra was quicker, lighter and accelerated better than the corvette. The corvette was also 350 ci while the integra is 110ci.. yet the integra was faster. I could barely tell a difference with my fathers nissan pathfinder and the corvette acceleration. My fathers SUV has more horsepower than the vette, is bigger and accelerates about the same as the corvette.
Plus you crash in an integra (I have) you don't die, as a matter of fact I didnt even get a scratch. But if you crash in a vette you die. Go to crashtests.com. There arent many people that get injured in a vette, but the death rate is Poor ( the worst you could get). Maybe nobody gets injured in a vette because they all die...:rolleyes:

well, i went and looked at crashtest.org..not com....com is nothing. Corvettes weren't tested..so where did you get your info...did you make it up..maybe so? :rolleyes:
You are comparing an old assed, underpowered, emissions hampered corvette vs a very new car. Go check out a C5, or Z06..hell a C4 or Zr1 or any performance packaged 1960's vette vs an integra.

As for you porsche stats...i'm guessing they are about as reliable as your crash test stats. If you have a link for new corvette crash ratings...I would love to see em.

Originally posted by Porsche911T
My sisters got a 1997 Acura integra LS. 128ft trq and weights 2685lbs
The Corvette I test drove was a L48 has near 200ft trq and weights 3,534 lbs

The corvette is 1,000 lbs heavier! I definetly noticed a difference with the integra and corvette. The integra was quicker, lighter and accelerated better than the corvette. The corvette was also 350 ci while the integra is 110ci.. yet the integra was faster. I could barely tell a difference with my fathers nissan pathfinder and the corvette acceleration. My fathers SUV has more horsepower than the vette, is bigger and accelerates about the same as the corvette.
Plus you crash in an integra (I have) you don't die, as a matter of fact I didnt even get a scratch. But if you crash in a vette you die. Go to crashtests.com. There arent many people that get injured in a vette, but the death rate is Poor ( the worst you could get). Maybe nobody gets injured in a vette because they all die...:rolleyes:

Congrats. You succesfully tested an OLDASS slow Vette with a gas guzzling old SBC against a new Integra.
Ya know, I did something similar...
I went out and tested a 2001 Corvette Convertible (I just happened to have one sittin in my garage) and a 1981 Honda that I picked up at a local junk yard...Sorry, I couldn't make out the model, it was too rusty to read the name of the car.

Anyways, I first got out and tried driving the honda around town. My initial thought was that I wasn't even moving, but upon careful inspection, I noticed that I was indeed crusing along at a hefty .9 MPH. Soon after starting the car, blue exhaust gases started seeping in through the enormous hole that had rusted out thru the floors.
I finally got the thing moving (after pushing it down a hill) and hit it's top speed of 15mph! Woo Hoo!

Then, it was on to my C5 'Vert.
I had the top down while crusin' along at a paltry 85 MPH. Power and acceleration at any speed was quick and very smooth. Must be the new electronic fuel injection. :bloated: Wind noise with the top up was slim to none, even WITH the ragtop...With it down, I was still able to hold a conversation with my passenger at 85 MPH without having to yell.

You want to know why the Corvette gets a "poor" death rate???
I honestly asked my insurance company this question when my dad bought HIS Vette. They told me it wasn't because of the Vettes bad crash tests. In fact, they've received fairly good crash test ratings. The fact that Corvettes are able to travel in excess of 170mph plays a key role in this one....Ever wonder what happens when you crash going 170mph? That's right kiddies, YOU DIE! Regardless of whether or not you're in a Corvette, an Integra or even a freakin' Hummer, if you crash while traveling at 170 MPH, YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. Can't stop physics. The majority of Corvette driver DEATHS occur due to HIGH SPEED CRASHES. Maybe since the Integra can only go so fast, they don't see so many "HIGH SPEED CRASHES"....Hmmm???????

So there. I did a comparo like you, got some mixed results, and also had the chance to answer your "Corvette Crash Test Findings"...

Also, I was just curious as to why Porsche owners are having such a hard time keeping their car from spinning out around turns or when traveling at high speeds???

I can answer the question, I'd just like to see your reply....
After all, Porsche's are so SAFE now aren't they???

Probably the reason why RUF makes ANYONE that wants to buy one of his cars take a driving skill test and MUST pass a road course test before they are even allowed to buy the car...

hey 911t, well of course the corvette doesnt have all that much torque off the line, because its a highend torque car. You cant get a car that does 9's in the 1/4, and expect it to do 175 down the highway with no problem. And i really doubt that a 69 911 can do 170 mph, and i cant believe you compared it to the z06? first of all 170 mph isnt the only aspect of the car, you also have spectacular brakes, 0-60 in 3.9 sec, 400hp 400 lbs/ft of torque, and can hang in a rally with the wrx! If you want to compare a 69 vette with a 69 porsche go ahead, just remember the 69 vettes had big blocks 454's!

The Big Blocks back in their day were fast.
Compared to todays standards they aren't.
GM's NEW Corvette now goes faster while using LESS GAS and utilizing a smaller engine.
What a wonderful thing technology does for ya eh?

they arent that much faster, my dad has a 73 stingray 454, and he can wrap the needle around a 160 mph guage. we cant tell how fast he is going, but its well over 160.

OK, in a recent Car and Driver, a Z06 and a 911 Turbo (2001, both of them), went aroung a road coarse. Guess who won? The Vette by a few seconds, not a few tenths, a few whole seconds. It was done on the same day in the same conditions. Granted, the Z06 can't take the GT2, but with a few mods, it could.

About that Lingenfelter 427 TT, I am unimpressed. The TT on the 350 has 650hp, so 77 cubes only addes 75 horsepower? When it adds 200 to the 350? I don't think so. Something's not right.

And I *HATE* heavy cars. Thats why the 959 and many new cars don't appeal to me. A 4000lb Lambo and 3400lb 911 Turbo, that just isn't right. If you think its safer, if it weighed less, it would crash with less force, so HA!

I saw a stock Z06 on slicks run 11.44 at 124.Lets see a M3 do that!

Originally posted by Chris
OK, in a recent Car and Driver, a Z06 and a 911 Turbo (2001, both of them), went aroung a road coarse. Guess who won? The Vette by a few seconds, not a few tenths, a few whole seconds. It was done on the same day in the same conditions. Granted, the Z06 can't take the GT2, but with a few mods, it could.

About that Lingenfelter 427 TT, I am unimpressed. The TT on the 350 has 650hp, so 77 cubes only addes 75 horsepower? When it adds 200 to the 350? I don't think so. Something's not right.

And I *HATE* heavy cars. Thats why the 959 and many new cars don't appeal to me. A 4000lb Lambo and 3400lb 911 Turbo, that just isn't right. If you think its safer, if it weighed less, it would crash with less force, so HA!

The lingenfelter TT 427 runs high 9's with a amatuer driver and the fastest it has gone is 9.45.Here is a video of some amatuer guy running high 9's
http://www.lingenfelter.com/main/lpe_tt.avi

I wouldn't really say the driver of that car is an amatuer.
He's no professional, but in order to drive a car with that much power, you CAN'T be just some amature...
You have to have SOME skill and knowledge of the car, IMO.

Porsche911...you have seriously funny comparisons. I think I can do that too. I have a 80s vintage family sedan, that with a few hundred dollars in mods(already done) can blow your doors off in acceleration. It can do that to your Porsche, or a new one for that matter. GT2 or not. And this is a family sedan!!! I guess Porsche is just a poor accelerating car. :(

The truth is the vette is the best overall car out there now. A coupe will yield the same performance as a porsche 911 carrera, beat a boxter, and look/sound better doing it. I must admit, porsche's are great sports cars but they cost too much and really don't focus on being a 100% pure sports car. Come on, are pretty little wood and leather interiors really necessary in a sports car? Now, lets get to the exceptional Z06, which will pretty much beat or keep up with anything on the road. The Z06 is an incredible bargain. It'll keep up with a viper, porsche turbo, and will beat any current production Ferrari. Actually, the only Feraris that can beat a Z06 are a F50 and an F40, which cost about eigth times the price. As nice as some of those exotics are, a Z06 is even more incredible for its value. ;)

Actually, the Porsche 911 makes leather an option! Once you put several grand of interior options in, its nice. The corvette is very parts bin stuff, a few grand extra would fix that, and I think it should be an option (like nice wiper stalks, a non-truck radio, some aluminum/leather/soft stuff instead of plastic).

And the 360 coupe is a little faster than a Z06, but it is sooooo close.

Originally posted by Chris
Actually, the Porsche 911 makes leather an option! Once you put several grand of interior options in, its nice. The corvette is very parts bin stuff, a few grand extra would fix that, and I think it should be an option (like nice wiper stalks, a non-truck radio, some aluminum/leather/soft stuff instead of plastic).

And the 360 coupe is a little faster than a Z06, but it is sooooo close.
I am not sure how you define faster. The modena beat the 2001 Z06 around thunderhill by .3 secs. That was one track with one driver. Figuring that the 2002 Z06 has another 20HP and 20lb/ft...i don't think it is possible to say the modena is faster then the Z06. There are guys at z06vette.com running 11.9 in the 1/4 with stock 2002 Z06's. If you look at how much HP each car has (405 vs 400) and the fact the Z06 weighs less....I don't belive the modena is faster then the Z06 in any way.

Corvettes aren't about woosy interiors. Oh, and yes a corvette Z06 is faster than a 360 modena.

0-60 corvette Z06-4.0 secs, 360 modena- 4.3 secs

and u know what the best part about the vette being faster than a modena? u could buy 3 vettes and have extra money for mods for the price of a 360

and another thing... the corvette has a front/rear weight distribution of 52/48, this almost neutral weight distribution equals almost neutral handling.......a porsche is ass-heavy, so what does that make its handling?






YES! ASS-HEAVY!
just face it, the ZO6 is the worlds best performance bargain, if u wanted to spend the same amount modding Z as u would buying a stock 911TT, then u would have a car that would blow the doors off a mclaren

bow-tie power at its finest!

Finally, someone who actually knows and understands what real sports cars are about. 327Bellair, we need more people like you!:cool:

Originally posted by 327belair
and another thing... the corvette has a front/rear weight distribution of 52/48, this almost neutral weight distribution equals almost neutral handling.......a porsche is ass-heavy, so what does that make its handling?






YES! ASS-HEAVY!
just face it, the ZO6 is the worlds best performance bargain, if u wanted to spend the same amount modding Z as u would buying a stock 911TT, then u would have a car that would blow the doors off a mclaren

bow-tie power at its finest!

umm...while i totally agree that the Z06 is better bang for the buck then almost any car on the market...the 911 having the engine in the back does not make it handle badly. It actually handles very well. 993 911's (the last iteration of the air cooled engine) are amazing race cars. Many of the fastest track cars in the world are based on that chassis. Many of them have different mods and turbos, but they all share a common trait the engine in the back. The fastest time ever run on Laguna Seca, by a road going car, is a 911 TT...not a 996, but a 993. Also, having the engine in the back makes the acceleration times in the 911 from 0-30 extremely fast. They hook up amazingly, AWD or not. 911's are great cars, but not the amazing deal that the Z06 is.

From what I have read, it takes an amazing amount of effort on the part of Porsche designers to make sure the car handles as well as it does with the rear engine. The reason Porsche is usually 5-10 years ahead on the technology curve than most manufacturers is that their rear engines cars demand that they are. This is not a slight on Porsche at all, but it does explain why they are so expensive. I love Vettes and Porsches alike I just don't like the Porsche price tag :eek: . As for modding the Vette well there is no argument there, the performance for the price can't be beat.

The thing is, porsches really don't like to be pushed. In almost every corvtte/porsche comparo the results are the same: The porsches are beasts on the track because their rear ends are to heavy. What porsches are made for are the pleasure of afluent, middle age men who want a sporty car to drive around in on sunny, Sunday afternoons. The only ones really made to be driven hard are the GT2 & 3 and RUFs. Sorry guys, but vettes have it all over them. They can be driven every day but can also give a hell of a ride on the track.

----Vettes Forever!!!!-----

I wouldn't go so far as to say they are for only Sunday cruising around the country club parking lot but since this is the Vette forum I'll let you slide :sun: .

How do the maintenance costs and overall reliability stack up? These topics aren't sexy but have real world ramifications that I think are worth considering when you look at the overall value of a car. Since I don't own either I'll leave it to those that have experience to try and answer.

Hey another Corvette man I love it! After reading some of the posts you need some back-up, so I registered here I am. :loser: this is the signal I show to these porsches went I blow by them. I can't tell you how many 911's I've dusted, and not even with my ZO6! This is my third Vette, and it's modified and very fast. I haven't run into a porsche that has given me an ounce of trouble or anyone that has even come close for that matter. So anyone that dawgs the Vette either has never driven one or has been dusted by one lol! This makes these guys :screwy: like this! Cya around the forums! P

This thread is too long to read all of it, so I don't know if this has been posted yet. If you want pure speed go for a zo6. the M3 is made to be a well rounded car. I'm currently in this situation contemplating weather to buy a M3 or a Zo6. I'm taking the M3. The vette has a horrible interior and anchient technology IMO. I like vettes and have had a 69 stingray. If you look pushrod tecnology is quite old. I understand that it is the most effective way to make power but the times are changing. Come on, I don't even have a clutch in my M3 and its still got a form of a manual transmission. The M3 is an amazing macine, I can fit 4 adults in it. Now that brings me to a whole new point, the Zo6 shuoldn't be in the comparison. It was two Gt's vs. a vette. Now here's a challenge; Corvette Zo6, Ferrari 360, Ford Gt, 911 Turbo. And M3, 911, and a ferrari 456GT. The test was messed up not the cars. Just my 2 cents.

Anyone who's got any sense about cars should have a healthy respect for all the cars in the comparo, even though IMO the M3 shouldn't be compared to the Vette because it has a back seat.

I love the Vette and it is the best bang for the buck, you are not going to change the mind of biased guys like that 911 guy because he is what you called a dyed in the wool Porschephile and he doesn't even believe that a Cayenne is a real/true porsche, so why would he give any props to a Chevy.

Pound for pound and dollar for dollar the Vette smokes them all.

i have a 93 z28 with only a gear and some higher octane gas an i handed an m3 his ass by 2 cars, when i raced the zo6 2003 which run's 12.1 i think he pulled 4 cars in 10 mph so i dought some gay bmw is gonna beat the vette sorry especially the c6 which will be running 11's stock and if you still think your bmw can win just race a ZL1 camaro 2002 , it only goes 9.55 stock