For everyone interested in TURBOING AN RS/GS OR TALON ESI!!!

[EclipseRST]

Edit: You can all thank Jake for deleting the really good info he had in this post... yeah..he really cares...


If anyone has any of the info from this PM it to me and i'll try to get it back up. Until then it's closed.

Josh

Edit *FormulaLT1*

I thought since Jake took away something interesting to read, I would give all you guys some classic Jake til we can get this post restored. Good luck guys

John

Originally Posted by EclipseRST

if you dont care then why post... why read it? you obviously do care seeing you had to post a stupid ass comment like that! this thread was on topic... and even still is cause he basically screwed me out of $28 cause of the bounced check charges! so if you were to buy something from him or sell something to him... you wouldnt care that he might fuck you over! he was the one who started the thread in the first place then it escilated, yes its over now! am i goin to lock it?... no~ i am just a AF regular now, if joe or any other mod wants to lock it go right ahead. and bostonjoe, dont tell me what i can and cant do - you have no position too, seeing you are not a mod now are you? didnt think so! so unless you want to end up like 98GSX... i'd suggest keeping your comments to yourself and not telling me or any other mod how to do their job.

~Jake

Feel free to edit this as you see fit Josh.

[JoeWagon]

Is the higher compression the reason that it will produce more power than a stock 4G63T?

[EclipseRST]

it has a little to do with it, but the compression is only like .5:1 or 1:1 more than a turbo motor so it doesnt help that much... honestly i do not know why it makes it fast, i know when i dynoed it, right after i put the first turbo kit on, and i was at 224hp and 232 ft lb/tq although i am not sure on just that little amount of hp and tq how much faster it could get you, i am just goin off my experiance... i'm sorry i forgot to state that you will only be faster if you have your car tuned just right and everything is working good together!!! and you know how to drive the car, now with an auto, i would probably say you would be about even since it is a little slower!

[EclipseRST]

same way with nitrous... before i put the turbo on, i did some fuel adjustments and put a 75 shot wet kit in! that got me quicker than a stock GSX-GST... it didnt help as much as the turbo does but it got me quicker! and for all i know the drivers around here could suck ass and not know how to drive! so again i am going on experiance!

[joemathews]

Also a kind of useful page that explains turbochargers in simple terms for noobs, and might make a some of Jake's stuff clearer...(i think someone else on this forum posted this and i stole it...):

http://www.cse.uconn.edu/~yelevich/turbo/turbo.html

Not....sure...how to link...dammit! Does html work lol?

[duckydsp]

http://www.hahnracecraft.com/auto/eclipse/eclipse.htm

http://www.groupbuycenter.com/buy.aspx?id=10877

these are sites to get the kits. These are the cheapest I could find for the HRC and Star kits.

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by eclipsetzzz

ok i understand everything you guys have posted except the part about the stock exhaust manifold and the stol... i mean the one off a 2nd gen. turbo model. why do you need both?

what you do is cut the flange that mounts to the head off of both manifolds... grind it down smooth and flat, and weld the non turbo flange to the turbo manifold and tada you have a turbo manifold that fits on a non turbo! then you gind the welds down a little and paint it... looks like its stock!

sorry if its a little too much work for most of you... but i would not rather spend 500 on a manifold when i can make my own out of used parts... and if you dont have a welder or know how to weld, i can make them for $100 + shipping!

[eclipsetzzz]

ok, i have my big 16g turbo, front mount intercooler, blitz dd bov, gst exhaust manifold, 450cc injectors, boost gauge, boost controller(manual but ok), new gst turbo oil pan, and the 255lph fuel pump. the only things left are oil return line, custom piping and have eclipserst(if he will) custom make my manifold. Eclipserst- can you tell me where you got the oil return line, if you will do the exhaust manifold and where and how you did the turbo piping? did you use pvc pipe? if so, where did yah get it and how did you make it work? those are the only 3 things i need left and i am buggin cuz import showdown is in June. i want to enter my car, but i want it to be complete(well except for the interior). anyway in case you guys from Minnesota don't know, there is a Huge Import Showdown at the State Fair Grounds June 25,26 and 27. You should check it out. Eclipserst- you should enter into it, it doesn't cost anything and there is $50,000.00 in cash and prizes. It's worth it just to say you where there man. even if i don't win, i'm going to look back when i'm older and be able to say i was part of the first ever Import Showdown in Minnesota. And besides there are hella sponsors there too, they may like something they see. Hmm....an eclipse rs.....t?.......in minnesota......they do know there import shit!! sponsors will eat your car up, hopefully mine too!! anyway just need last parts and wanted to let you all know about the import showdown at the state fair grounds.

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[JoeWagon]

I'd head to the showdown with mandrel bent piping for the intercooler, and not PVC. You'll want a fuel pressure regulator for that 255lph pump as well.

[eclipsetzzz]

Originally Posted by JoeWagon

I'd head to the showdown with mandrel bent piping for the intercooler, and not PVC. You'll want a fuel pressure regulator for that 255lph pump as well.

and where may i find this mandrel bent piping plz? thanks for the headzup on the fuel pressure regulator too............you other guys should be on top of this!!j/k. any specific fuel pressure regulator?

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[JoeWagon]

http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...&storeId=10101
I don't know how to decide which bends though.. and you'll need some straight tubing, naturally. RST should know about the bends, and it depends on which FMIC you use.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/defau...cPath=3_144_93
You'll have to search dsmtuners for opinions on what FPR. I wouldn't know.

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by jreynish

I am a little currious,
Where do you get your oil return line to?
Do you use the stock Normally Asperated Engine Control Unit?
Are you placing your Mass Air Meter before of after turbine?
If you are using the stock Normally asperated engine control unit what are you using to control the added fuel? S-AFC... what?
Where does the oil send to the turbo come from the oil pan? it is my understanding that oil is not under pressure in the oil pan.

Just so you know, I am not really a newb I know my SHIT. Turbo wise anyway, this will be my first DSM my freind has a non turbo Eagle talon ES he baught a 14G turbo from a stock Talon. I am going to custom weld and make the turbo manifold equal length. So that isn't a problem.
I have a ~400RWHP Mazda RX-7 All the work was done by myself.
So if you guy's could answer my questions that would be great.
Thanks

1. oil return line goes to the oil pan... you can tap right into the side of your pan!

2. yes you can use the stock ECU

3. you dont need a MAS

4. S-AFC is what i use to control the fuel

5. you can tap into where the oil pressure sending unit is or there is a oil galley on the side of the head

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by HotCrew

Eclipse RST, how did you work out the fuel pump and injectors? Did you reprogram the ecu or what? Can you fill me in on that please.

what i did is repinned my wiring harness to connect to a 97 GST ECU... thats when i was still on stock internals so i had 450cc injectors and a fuel pump out of a 97 GST so it worked perfectly... but now i am running a S-AFC

[guitarXgeek]

So exactly what parts of the engine internals need to be replaced to run more than 10 PSI of boost in the non-turbo eclipse? Just the rods and pistons? I am planning on running maybe 10-12 PSI of boost and I want to stay on the safe side, so I need to know which parts in particular need to be replaced. Thanks guys!

P.S. -- EclipseRST, thank you for the information on the custom turbo! It is definitely something I will keep in mind when I'm searching for my turbo! =)

[EclipseRST]

pistons and rods for sure... and if i were you i would do the valve springs too, if anything get them from a GST or a GSX... they have stronger ones so you wont have the chance of getting valve float and possibly bending valves! other than that everything else is fine! and since you already have the motor apart replacing the springs why not do the valves and cams... unless you really cant afford the extra 5-600, but it will allow you to flow a lot more boost!