Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online!
Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! 
-
Latest | 0 Rplys
Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > McLaren > F1
Reply Show Printable Version Show Printable Version | Email this Page Email this Page | Subscription Subscribe to this Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-01-2012, 11:37 PM   #1
Peloton25
McLaren Fanatic
 
Peloton25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: California, USA
Posts: 8,632
Thanks: 714
Thanked 1,763 Times in 741 Posts
Send a message via AIM to Peloton25
Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

Haven't read it all yet, but this looks to be a great piece.

Quote:
This is a case study of the working methods of one particularly successful designer in a highly competitive design domain, Formula One racing car design. Gordon Murray was chief designer for the very successful Brabham and McLaren racing car teams in the 1970s and 1980s. His record of success is characterized by innovative breakthroughs, often arising as sudden illuminations, based on considering the task from first principles and from a systemic viewpoint. His working methods are highly personal, and include intensive use of drawings. Personality factors and team management abilities also appear to be relevant. There are some evident similarities with some other successful, innovative designers.
.PDF link

It's a 4MB PDF and from the original source URL it was a slow DL for me. If you have the same issue I rehosted a duplicate copy via MediaFire.com here.

Enjoy!

>8^)
ER
Peloton25 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Peloton25 For This Useful Post:
amy@af (01-02-2012), McF1 (01-08-2012), MrYoung (01-07-2012), teflon (01-02-2012)
Old 01-02-2012, 02:30 AM   #2
McF1
AF Newbie
 
McF1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Beijing
Posts: 82
Thanks: 18
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Re: "Winning By Design"

Looks very interesting indeed!
Thank you Peloton!

Last edited by McF1; 01-02-2012 at 02:30 AM. Reason: typo
McF1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2012, 12:10 PM   #3
amy@af
Traffic Directing Admin
 
amy@af's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Civic Land, Oregon
Posts: 7,893
Thanks: 226
Thanked 119 Times in 95 Posts
Send a message via Skype™ to amy@af
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

excellent! I'll share this on AF's face book page. thanks!!
__________________
"hi! my name is Lady, and i'm a HONDA-holic"

..don't make me send Setanta over in his Waambulance to give you an aloe tissue for your sensitive nose!



*~ ~> USeR GUiDELiNeS*<~ ~*

I <3 the G Ride ~*~ I <3 OLD SKooL
amy@af is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to amy@af For This Useful Post:
Peloton25 (01-02-2012)
Old 01-04-2012, 06:08 PM   #4
McF1
AF Newbie
 
McF1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Beijing
Posts: 82
Thanks: 18
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

I just read it and it is very instructive and highly inspirational.

Some time ago I was wondering whether Gordon Murray ever posted on this forum as he must most certainly be aware of it.
Anyway, I would like to put here the thought that came to my mind recently:
If we contacted Gordon Murray about the F1, what would be the one question you would ask him?
McF1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2012, 01:14 PM   #5
teflon
AF Regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 122
Thanks: 931
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

Quote:
Originally Posted by McF1 View Post
...If we contacted Gordon Murray about the F1, what would be the one question you would ask him?
How do you improve upon the F1?

Greg A
teflon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2012, 01:36 PM   #6
hurstg01
AF Fanatic
 
hurstg01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Mars
Posts: 5,244
Thanks: 665
Thanked 1,496 Times in 647 Posts
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

2 F1's
__________________
Instagram/
hurstg01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2012, 06:54 PM   #7
McF1
AF Newbie
 
McF1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Beijing
Posts: 82
Thanks: 18
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

I don't quite know how to formulate it, but my question would be the following.
Let's imagine that of the ultimate road car was imagined by G.Murray in 2008, not 1988.
What would be the main differences compared to the actual F1?
Still a big capacity normally aspirated engine?
Still no drivers aids? it is a driver's car, remember.
McF1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2012, 11:49 PM   #8
Sami Aaltonen
AF Enthusiast
 
Sami Aaltonen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Finland, Vantaa
Posts: 1,936
Thanks: 614
Thanked 214 Times in 140 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Sami Aaltonen
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

Quote:
Originally Posted by McF1 View Post
I don't quite know how to formulate it, but my question would be the following.
Let's imagine that of the ultimate road car was imagined by G.Murray in 2008, not 1988.
What would be the main differences compared to the actual F1?
Still a big capacity normally aspirated engine?
Still no drivers aids? it is a driver's car, remember.
Very difficult to say. I think he is the only one who can answer this one.
But if I have some thoughts; brakes defenitely carbonceramic, and possible there wouldn't be manual gearbox.
What comes to the engine....very difficult to say.
__________________
"...JJ Lehto was awesome during that night long, treacherous night.At times he was 30sec a lap quicker than anyone else..."

----
Kuvat.fi -McLaren F1 GTR and many others!




Sami Aaltonen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2012, 11:34 AM   #9
hurstg01
AF Fanatic
 
hurstg01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Mars
Posts: 5,244
Thanks: 665
Thanked 1,496 Times in 647 Posts
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

GM's thought processes would probably have been the same - lightweight, driver-involved, no driving aids, NA engine. Cost may have been more of an issue though....
__________________
Instagram/
hurstg01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2012, 01:50 PM   #10
McAlice
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: NY, New York
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

Quote:
Originally Posted by McF1 View Post
I just read it and it is very instructive and highly inspirational.

Some time ago I was wondering whether Gordon Murray ever posted on this forum as he must most certainly be aware of it.
Anyway, I would like to put here the thought that came to my mind recently:
If we contacted Gordon Murray about the F1, what would be the one question you would ask him?
Actually there are two: 1. Where is the cooling for engine and cabin. 2. Where is the downforce produced by ground effect system??
McAlice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2012, 07:34 PM   #11
McF1
AF Newbie
 
McF1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Beijing
Posts: 82
Thanks: 18
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

Hello McAlice,
I think the members of this forum will be able to answer your question.
1. For what concern the engine cooling, the radiators are located in the front of the car. Are you looking for specific information? I do not know more about the cabin cooling
2. Regarding the downforce, the rear diffuser generates the ground effect, aided by the suction generating fans (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...ht=fan+suction).
Does anyone have any figure about the amound of downforce produced at given speeds?
McF1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2012, 07:56 PM   #12
Peloton25
McLaren Fanatic
Thread starter
 
Peloton25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: California, USA
Posts: 8,632
Thanks: 714
Thanked 1,763 Times in 741 Posts
Send a message via AIM to Peloton25
Re: Gordon Murray: "Winning By Design"

He was being a troll (again). You'll notice from the status under his name he is no longer with us (again).

If he doesn't like the F1 that is certainly his right, but to continue coming back here to make snide comments (like this & this) and be a disruption to the purpose of this discussion forum will simply not be tolerated.

>8^)
ER
Peloton25 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

POST REPLY TO THIS THREAD

Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > McLaren > F1

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:06 AM.

Community Participation Guidelines | How to use your User Control Panel

Powered by: vBulletin | Copyright Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
 
 
no new posts