Nissan is underestimated . . .

[Cavallino]

I think the only reaosn nissan is underestimated in the states is because we havent experienced the skyline as of yet. Once the skyline comes over people will learn to fear the name nissan.

[i_rebel]

Originally posted by Gonthrax


Thats Stock baby I don't know what they've done to her but she's back, and she's breathing HEAT!

They had larger intake and exhaust manifolds . . . micropolished internals so that there was less friction induced power loss . . . and they modified the exhaust with a valve in the muffler that stayed closed at low rpm, and opened up at high rpm to increase flow . . .

That's all I can remember.

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by i_rebel



They had larger intake and exhaust manifolds . . . micropolished internals so that there was less friction induced power loss . . . and they modified the exhaust with a valve in the muffler that stayed closed at low rpm, and opened up at high rpm to increase flow . . .

That's all I can remember.

now thats cool! Yet another example of little things Nissan does that puts them over the top.

[VH45DETTwithNOS]

What you guy's Don't have Skylines yet?, as for the Fear Factor given to the skylines only modded ones are the best, std they are quick off the mark but when it comes to handling I fount the 300zx Z32 quicker and Handles better, besides and 300zx got something no other Japanese car got in 1989 when the first Z32 300zxs were getting released, the title of 'Supercar', it was the first wasn't the last.

R390 still the Sh!t, never better, I WANT ONE, I love nissans.

First car; 71' 240zx
Second Car; 81' 280zx
Third Car; 82' 280zx Turbo
Forth Car; 86' S12 200sx w/ FJ20DSET(8 spark), soon to have VH45DETT in it's place.
Fifth Car; 91' 300zx TT 2+2 Targa Top.

[Holyterror]

For years, Nissan has been making engines that were capable of much more than their stock applications. Nothing beats a sand cast motor for outright durability. I've seen E series motors that run 2000 RPM over redline without a hitch (in fact, I own one). I've seen a crazed Sentra owner try to melt his stock GA16DE with nitrous and live. And don't get me started on VG30s.

Unfortunately, Nissan is starting to follow the crowd and die-cast blocks like with the QR25DE (Sentra SE-R). The QR is also a top deck design, joining legions of Honda and Toyota motors. Thankfully, they were thoughtful enough to polish everything to death and use hollow cams, etc. This of course takes half the fun out of modifying them, but Nissan is going the extra mile to make their engines great right out of the factory. I tend to pick on the QR, but its really the weak link in an awesome string of modular motors. Its bigger brothers are the VQ 6 and VZ 8 cylinders, which are just plain awesome. As everyone knows by now, almost every car in Nissan's US lineup will be powered by a VQ35DE, and the R35 GT-R is speculated to have a twin-turbo version of the same motor, or a VZ derivative V8 powerhouse. I can literally feel my pulse quickening at the thought.

And now I'm starting to notice how unbearably long my posts are... oh well. My final thought: I see the R390 mentioned, so maybe you've wondered this too, but why hasn't Nissan put a mid-engined sports car out there? The Mid-4 proto was pretty sweet for its time, and was the test bed for stuff like HICAS. I think the time is ripe for a mid-engine Nissan roadster to go up against the MR2 Spyder and S2000. And knowing Nissan, it'd be cheaper than both. Uh-oh, I'm gonna need a sedative...

[VH45DETTwithNOS]

Amen


Dame the 92' mid-4 prototype had the 4WD and VG30DE powerplant, man that would of rocked, lets see that again....

with either 4 or 6 I don't car, I'll buy it, only after I get my 200sx running with VH45DE twin supercharged beast going properly....

[MaFi0s0]

i love nissan, i cant understand how honda is so popular when nissans blow them away, i read the s2000 cant be modded much cause its engine is already near its full potential stock, and as for modding a honda engine i dont think they can compare to nissans, what engine does this maxima run, isnt it ment to be a family car??

[Sleepy]

its got a new v-6 this year i dont know the motor desgination though

Justin

[Holyterror]

The 95-01 Maxima has the VQ30DE, the 02 has the VQ35DE. The VQ30 is a solid motor, but the new VQ35 has a lot of redesigned components and cranks out 255 hp and 246 ft-lbs of torque. The Maxima does typically serve as a family car, however it has been billed from the beginning as Nissan's "4 Door Sports Car."

Why are Hondas so popular? Well, originally, I'm not sure how they got so popular. But now, they have a track record for reliability, good mileage, and buhjillions of aftermarket parts. I wouldn't be surprised to find Civic intakes at a gas station these days. And there's no denying some performance potential locked up in some Hondas. It usually requires dropping in a B16 and replacing... well, everything but the double wishbones. The funniest thing is that Civic and Accord owners have a tendency to omit the obvious: TURBOCHARGE THE THING!!! Even Nissan's mundane KA24 truck motors will crank upwards of 350 hp with a well-matched turbo and common-sense mods. Many people, myself included, believe that there is no good reason to build a motor without forced induction. There's certainly no good reason to try to build a fast 4 without it.

Nissan makes tough stuff. When you tweak out a Nissan, you find yourself polishing stock components or swapping parts with a different Nissan, etc. You end up replacing less stuff, which makes up for the comparative lack of aftermarket support for a lot of Nissans. And these motors are VERY agreeable with turbocharging. Most old iron blocks will have no problem running lean, 17:1 or so. But I've heard of a number that handled 19 or 20:1 without a hitch. Let's see your Accord do that.

My biggest problem with Civics and Accords is the design philosophy. You have to mess with them a lot because they were - somebody write this down - never intended to be sports cars! Ask the engineers that designed them; the Accord is a family car, and the Civic was made for teenage girls!!! Tell that to all the manly Honda tuners out there. And yes, the S2000 is pretty much maxed out. And that leads to my biggest fear for Nissan. The new SE-R and Altima's QR25DE looks a lot like a highly polished Honda motor. Really. Tell Honda to make a 2.5 with microfinished parts and see what you get. I could go into details, but my post would be even more obscenely long. In short, Nissan could easily end up in the same league with Honda and Toyota if they're not careful. It seems like everybody is trying to make it as cheap as possible to produce motors. I thought that using the same tooling to make 80% of your motors was enough, but maybe not.

[MaFi0s0]

good post, i read up on the s16 silvia wich is ment to be due out next year wich i find hard to believe, but anyway it said that the engine in the s16 is gonna be N/A.
here is a quote from one of the sites i read it from:

"The next generation S16 will surely raise the performance bar, and will make the Z-car look like a superfluous purchase. It will have a high-performance 2-litre engine without turbo-charging, relying on variable valve timing for high-strung pulling power, which will keep the price even lower than now (and boosting the price and image of the Z-car, which will be positioned slightly above it)."

i dont really care about stock HP, the reason i love the sr20det is because it can be worked up to 6-800hp, now i doubt this N/A engine will be able to handle that much power, and there doing this so that its cheaper, wtf, the sr20de/t has been proven to be one of the best 4banger engines ever made, they even put them in the pulsar sss and there rally car(pulsar gti-r) and now they wanna put some peice of crap into the silvia, one of the things behind the s15 was to make it a pure sports car like the s13, unlike the s14 wich was part luxury and heavier, now they wanna change it again to something else.

[VH45DETTwithNOS]

Funny thing is the Silvia was turbo'ed, before the Z was, and the Z was not going to be turbo'ed, but as 1980's took hold in racing and NISSAN wanted the Z to in the GT races, and the only two cars they had at the time were the R30 Skyline with the FJ20DET, and the 280zx but for the american market the skyline wasn't much of a choice, so that stay in Japan only being built in Aussie, and some in New Zealand, So the only car they had left was the 280zx, so they Turbo'ed it and it won the American GT series in 1981, then they tried again in 1982, but I don't konw the results for that one....... Anyway, the Z I can understand being a N/A car but the Zippy 200sx/Silvia sorry it must be Turbo with N/A as Option.


The Z cars were Grunty(All Z cars are Front/rear 6 cyclinders)

The GT cars were Sporty (Gt cars ie Skylines, all skylines had the GT badge on them since 1968, the Fisrt GT-R)

The S cars Zippy(The sport touring verison of the Z cars, 1800cc - 2400cc, with turbos on 1800cc - 2000cc)

wth this heritage my ONLY REAL MAJOR CONCERN IS NONE OF THESE CARS CAN EVER BE FRONT WHEEL DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!)


Well the R35 GT-R is getting the VQ30DETT, it will for the fisrt time be able to out run the Fairlady in outright speed, even the R34 standard has touble in the in-line speed, every thing else the R34 kicks, so this time around, I think it's going to be different.

Later Matt the Nissan Freak........

Does anyone know how much the engineers can push the VRH35L(R390 fame), as in max horse power? I heard 1700-2000hp.

[MaFi0s0]

jun has a 8second silvia, its 700+ HP

what a beast!
i thought the fastest silvia did tens

http://www.junauto.co.jp/democar/dra.../index.html?en

[VH45DETTwithNOS]

MMM MMM mmmmm, all you need now is fries......


nice SR20DET power, bummer they are 4 times the price of the VH45DE then I would of brought one, oh well, i'll be going for 900+hp anyway.

[Bean Bandit]

Nissan rocks and will rock on in the future no doubt aboubt this.:bandit:

[Morpheus XIII]

Originally posted by MaFi0s0
i love nissan, i cant understand how honda is so popular when nissans blow them away, i read the s2000 cant be modded much cause its engine is already near its full potential stock, and as for modding a honda engine i dont think they can compare to nissans, what engine does this maxima run, isnt it ment to be a family car??

Do you want to know what the unwritten reason is why Hondas are so popular? It has nothing to do with all the cosmic universal b.s. a lot of the owners try to give you such as F1 heritage, yada yada yada...
Nope, it's simply because they are cheap. Cheap cars tend to become widely available. Widely available cars like Civics and Accords form a perfectly large target for prospective aftermarket parts makers. Once enough of a sales group has been established, it just goes UP from there, exponentially. Oh by the way, there is a reason why Honda doesn't make production turbocharged engines. It's simply another sign that they will stick to the cheaper parts category. Turbos are expensive to begin with, and even more expensive to maintain. VTEC was born as a space-filler for turbos (although I have to scoff at variable vavle timing's limitations). Primarily front-wheel-drive? Another sure sign of economic orientation.

Honda knows how to make money: by not overspending on sports oriented products. I believe this is where Nissan and Mazda failed and got bought out. You can't only make sports cars and expect to survive. After all, cheap, n/a, fwd cars SELL, and Honda has many of them.

As for the aftermarket, more doesn't necessarily mean better. Do you think any one person can actually count the total number of companies who offer exhaust systems for Civics? And personally, I think it's better NOT to have too many companies making shit for your brand of car. The aftermarket just becomes cluttered and consumers may end up purchasing some poorly made piece of junk. Also, not having every single possible modification kit available for every part of the engine forces owners to be a little more creative in do-it-yourselfing. I still see too many Honda owners who've spent tons of dough on their car and didn't install a single damn thing (some don't even know what the parts really do). Most Nissan aftermarket parts companies are not upstarts, but are actual specialists and have been around for decades (heh, BEFORE the Honda invasion during the late-80s). Take Stillen or Jim Wolf Technologies for example. They've got everything you need. And you can expect high quality from a huge name like those.

All in all, I like how the industry is at the moment. Renault is taking care of Nissan rather well and SUVs are finally dying down. I personally enjoy seeing Hondas on every damn corner of every damn street, because then I can look at my own car and feel, well, unique.