What tuning options are there??

[MXmadman]

so what do you think would be the fastest times possible w/the mx-3...turbo AND non turbo, i know theres some 11.5 second turbo out there but im not positive, the guy i was talkin about (in my earlier post) is going for 13 seconds even w/o a trubo...he seems to think that everyone is right in that it cant be done but he's put in big $$$ for it, is it possible?

[babybluemx3]

as far as the v6 is concerned...
i guess n/a it would be around 14's high 13's
turboed mid 12's

I've seen a 4cyl turbo in the low 11's...
impressive huh

actually there's a guy around here that is making 11's and think he'll be in the 9's..well se about that..he's running around 25 psi of boost tho

[MXmadman]

damn that's a lot of boost!!! my friend that wants to run 13's was tellin me about the dave guy who ran 11's but i guess his car is sold and rebuild by someone else??!? how much money do you think he's got invested in that car 15k easy!?

[babybluemx3]

Yeah it was Dave Lauzier's car that made 11.1...he sold the car and engine separatly...the guy i talked to you about in my area has bought the car and put his own engine in it...the car is stock from the outside (excpet for the hude slicks), interior is gutted and he said he didn't change much in the internals...the only cash he might have spend is in his turbo set-up...I'm thinking more in the 6000$ or so

[MXmadman]

thats not too bad, im looking to put in about 5-7K and the only thing left on the inside of my car, short of the dash is gunna be a thin layer of carpet....cuz im gunna strip it down to the metal....

what i want to do is have 2 mx-3's one w/boost one w/o....in a 'perfect' world

are there a lot of 11's going the forced induction route...i noticed on mx-3.com that a lot of people n/a are hitting between 13.7-14.2, and w/turbo, or nos their only hitting 12.9-13.2, is this normal?

[babybluemx3]

normally most people with minor mods on a ze run in the mid 14's ...
the ones with a ze with n20 runs around mid 13's..
12's?? must be hard to acheive that....the only guy i saw in the 12's is a probe gt with a klze turbocharged @9psi...he ran 12.9 untuned....
put that in a mx3 and your in mid 12's

[MXmadman]

normally most people with minor mods on a ze run in the mid 14's ...
the ones with a ze with n20 runs around mid 13's..

what's minor mods ? ? ?

here's what i plan on doing...

KL-ZE, ZE ECU, 67mm throttle body, Polyurithayne Motor Mounts, Port/Polish, Millenia Intake Manifold (heard it's better), Clutchmasters Stage III Clutch/ACT Clutch (havent decided, know i want high performance though), thermal spacers (saw em on mx-3.com), shaved flywheel, Underdrive Pulleys, Cold Air Intake (PRM), Wires (NGK), Hotshot Headers, 2.25 inch exhaust w/high flow cat, B&M Short Thrower

lots of weight reduction, like i said, no back seat, no spare, no A/C or useless stuff, probably a carbon fiber hood if i can find one that doesnt look ghetto, i want to beef up the car as much as possible before going N2O

[i found a lot of this stuff on mx-3.com...it's a pretty usefull resource]

where do you think that puts me, im guessing 13.8's...thereabouts?

let me know if you've got any tips

[babybluemx3]

since you want almost EXACTLY what i have...i would have to say..low 14's but i doubt you'll go in the 13's....just my opinion tho

[MXmadman]

that's rather disappointing. i was really hoping to break the "wall" and get down to 13's. do you have some times that you've run you can post?

sorry to be a copycat, i just dont wanna mess w/forced air!

[babybluemx3]

sorry man i didn't mean to say you copy my car..lol...I was just saying since your mods will be the same as mine you'll probably run in the same range as mine...

I didn't went to the track yet with my car so I can't tell you an exact number..BUT i've seen people with the same mods running 14.2-14.3...

Yeah forced induction is a lot of work but it's about the only option for big HP...I'm getting a t3/to4E on my car by the end of the summer...I'm hopping to run 10 psi on it...that shoulf run me in the low 13's high 12's

[MXmadman]

OK ya lost me!!! t3/to4E? not to knoledgeable on the turbo's.. would love to dip into 13's w/o the turbo...i think that would be a great goal. i found a 13.7 time from someone but it didnt say what the mods were.

ya think boring out the ze to 2.7l would put ya over the top...but that would probably cost as much as a turbo to get all the stuff made huh?

[firefly948]

how much would it cost to forge a KLZE so you could run boost?

[babybluemx3]

t3/t4E is a hybrid turbo.. it has the quick spool up of a t3 (turbine) with a t04E compressor for high power..I made the math and concluded that with my application a t3 turbine with a to4E 50 trim compressor is the best...

you don't have to go forged internals to go with boost..i all comes down many different things like compression ratio, type of octane, what size and effeciency intercooler you've gotm how many psi you wanna run...

yeah forged internals will cost an arm...a set of custom JE pistons could come around 800-900usd adn the rods too....machine shops don't work for free too...anyways all the bottom beef up it can come to around 2500 jsut for that...AND you didn't touch the upper part yet (valves, retainers, springs etc...

[MXmadman]

yeah forged internals will cost an arm...a set of custom JE pistons could come around 800-900usd adn the rods too....machine shops don't work for free too...anyways all the bottom beef up it can come to around 2500 jsut for that...AND you didn't touch the upper part yet (valves, retainers, springs etc...

so basically at that point it's cheaper to run forced air then to fork over the cash for the internals....unless you've got something to prove by going n/a (if i had the $$$ i'd do it, just so i wouldnt have to mess w/the turbo, i just dont trust it 100% ya know!!?). thanks for chattin w/me about it...good luck w/your turbo i'll check back on your cardomain page to see how it's going.

[HIMfan1]

how much would it cost to make a automatic into a manuel on a mx3