Mclaren F1 Reborn - the McLaren P1 Supercar thread

[hurstg01]

F1 for me; the P1 is a beauty, as is the X1, but neither will win Le Mans

[carbuilder2002]

No your'e certainly not the only one, i commented that i was unsure about P1 where the F1 as you say grabbed my attention instantly, more by its design remit and impressive packaging over looks to be honest though I do like the clean lines of the F1, (yes I know that is at odds with my actual preference for the GTR with its aerodynamic additions and protrusions, but thats more my preference for racing variants of any car to be honest.) No contest I would spend my money on an F1 over P1 in an instant, 3 seats in roadcar for starters, with room for luggage. It may gain my interest and respect with time I will wait and see.

[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by astonmartindbs001

Some P1 thoughts after several days' reflection... Am I the only one who hasn't instantly fallen in love with and am slightly ambivalent and reserved about the new McLaren P1?

Seriously guys, if you could have only one - F1, or P1?

Fist answer your question:
F1.

NO, you aren't the only one, I have maybe a bit different reasons not to say anything much yet. Like you mentioded ultra light weight is one thing. If there will be KERS or something onboard this P1, it will bring more weight. And today's cars weight atleast 1000kg even you do anything becouse of the today's rules when making cars, safety and so on.

Second; If they use 12c's engine layout, the interest of this car to me drops alot. This kind of supercar need to have 12 sylinders. It's not fun anymore if someone can tell you in gas station "My VW has more sylinders than your supercar has..." And that's not fun even how quick the P1 would be....
And seems there will be turbos also, no thanks.

Third; it will never gets that kind of repuration that F1 has got. Never.
F1 was true drivers car, simple, bloody quick, fantastic engine, very special gearbox desing and very compact with out any unnessary things. And that endurance racing history is one thing which never any manufacturer will not sucseed, not even P1.
This new P1 just don't give me any vibrations. There in Octane's cover F1 seems still more elegant than P1 longside it.

Sorry McLaren, but glad you did F1, one of the greatest cars ever and that how it will be to me, no mather how powerfull and quick P1 will be.

[arjan916]

A little conformation from the suspicions.
Today I spoke with a man who's very interested to buy (and race) the P1 and had been to the MTC this week.
The new P1 has basicly the same V8 engine as the MP4-12C, together with the KERS system it produce 960hp.
They didn't tell him the precise weight, but it would be around the same level of the MP4-12C (also the interior looks familiar).
Which is very impressive if you know there's a heavy KERS system integrated.
The reason to choose for the V8 was clear from the beginning; the lack of weight compared to a V12, for example.
And if you reminds yourself the fact that Ferrari's new F70 will have a V12 and KERS, they expect the P1 will be a lot lighter.
A nice bet; how many seconds will the new P1 be off the all time track record at the Nordschleife? They expect to set a new lap record (of course, as a road legal car) but which would be hard to beat with a race car too (current GT3's).
Production car will be the same as Paris, and in reality it looks better than the pics he said, but it's too perfect and very 'clinical'.
But the best news of all; a GT version is expected in 2014.

[McF1]

Thanks Arjan for these interested details.
Just one question: what GT category would accept such car?

[arjan916]

Originally Posted by McF1

Thanks Arjan for these interested details.
Just one question: what GT category would accept such car?

It depends on the regulations.
At this moment the Fia and ACO doesn't have a 'standard' category for it, the only possibility is the 'Hybride programme'.
The Fia doesn't have detailed plans for 2013 and 2014 for the Hybride category yet.
The main requirement the Fia makes to teams who wants to race Hybride cars is that the level of performance must be close to the GT3's and not faster overall.
I think, in the near future they have to do something to set more clear regulations.
Because McLaren's P1, Ferrari's F70 and Porsche's 918 are all hybrids.
Despite Porsche is busy to develope a 918 without KERS too (probably called 916), there will be race team(s) interested to race the KERS cars.

[astonmartindbs001]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...9321810&type=3

Nice FB album of P1 photos by GPE AUTO.

[astonmartindbs001]

Apologies for the massive size, but that's what P1 would look like in Gold.

Credits to Funkyskunk2 on Teamspeed for the coloring efforts.

More colors here: http://teamspeed.com/forums/mclaren/...ml#post1388747

[astonmartindbs001]

P1 vs. 918 Spyder, by Funkyskunk2 again.

P1 for me definitely. Would make a pretty good Bond car in that color too. Enough with the Astons...

[astonmartindbs001]

What a P1 GTR would look like. Big thanks to Jonsibal for the rendering work, and blissat9k on Teamspeed for the heads-up.

Personally, and just my , the '96 GTR wing here doesn't really match the rest of the P1's aesthetics, and probably wouldn't match well with the rest of the aero flow either. A larger, bare carbon fiber version of the P1's curved double wing would probably be a better fit, though it would need to be fixed rather than active to comply with most racing organizations' rules for GT cars.

[astonmartindbs001]

Erik has set up a new Flickr Group for the McLaren P1.

http://www.flickr.com/groups/2054954@N25/pool/

Big thanks and credit to you for this effort mate, and all the other photographers who are contributing to the cause.

Thanks go to Laurent DUCHENE on Flickr for the post cover photo. Higher res is available in the group, along with many more fabulous photos of the P1.

[astonmartindbs001]

Thanks to Amzamus for the heads-up on this series of P1 patent drawings from Teamspeed.

http://teamspeed.com/forums/mclaren/...ml#post1390110

[astonmartindbs001]

I know most have already seen them, but just for completeness here are the P1 launch photos posted in Teamspeed by their various contributors. Some videos there too.

http://teamspeed.com/forums/mclaren/...percar-25.html

http://teamspeed.com/forums/mclaren/...percar-26.html

http://teamspeed.com/forums/mclaren/...percar-27.html

http://teamspeed.com/forums/mclaren/...percar-29.html (I'm digging it in Silvery White too )

http://teamspeed.com/forums/mclaren/...percar-30.html



This is my favorite of the bunch. Fantastico!

[astonmartindbs001]

http://teamspeed.com/forums/mclaren/...car-paris.html

Another great Teamspeed thread with fabulous photos from the P1 launch.

PS: Some of you should recognize one of the guys in the post cover photo...

[astonmartindbs001]

Just to recap in case anyone missed them (unlikely, but you never know), here are the photo galleries from the P1 Paris Launch by various members of the media and other sources who were there. Many thanks and credits to the various photographers and people who went, and then took the effort to share the experience with those of us who couldn't be there.

Autoblog - http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mclar...ris-2012/full/

GT Spirit - http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/09/27/p...allery=5454#tp

Motor Authority - http://www.motorauthority.com/image/...aris-auto-show

Auto Express UK - http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mclaren...latest-details

Yahoo Autos - http://autos.yahoo.com/photos/mclare...ept-slideshow/

ZeroToHundred - http://www.zerotohundred.com/2012/au...tor-show-2012/

BBC Business News (just 2 small pics) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19753833

Motor Trend - http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows...look/photos/#1

Autoweek - http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...ARIS/120929854

Car & Driver - http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-ga...-and-info-news

Auto Middle East - http://automiddleeast.com/2012/10/02...is-motor-show/

European Car - http://blogs.europeancarweb.com/6781...p1-from-paris/

Inautonews - http://www.inautonews.com/paris-moto...d#.UI9tSGcr3K4

Autoguide (they seem to be facing some G2 error problems at the moment, so might want to check back in a few days) - http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...otor-show.html / http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...w-stopper.html

Asiacarmag (just the one pic) - http://asiacarmag.com/?p=171

Auto Evolution - http://www.autoevolution.com/news-g-...tos/87870.html

MSN Motoring - http://motoring.malaysia.msn.com/mcl...page=8#image=1

Euro Car Blog - http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/1376...ris-motor-show

CNet (2 pics) - http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-31349_7-10013974-1.html

Firm Guide (1 pic from Paris) - http://firm-guide.com/company/mclare...p1-picture-10/

4 Wheels News - http://www.4wheelsnews.com/gallery/2...percar/193176/

Automobiles Review - http://www.automobilesreview.com/pic...p1-paris-2012/

Top Gear (2 pics) - http://www.topgear.com/my/7430-the-f...essor-arrives/

Carscoop - http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/09...ate-it-or.html

James Fothergill - http://jamesfothergill.posterous.com...1-debuts-in-pa

Wired (1 pic) - http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/09...is-motor-show/

Left Lane News (1 cover pic) - http://www.leftlanenews.com/mclaren-p1.html

Car Guy Chronicles (1 pic) - http://www.carguychronicles.com/2012...benchmark.html

Turtlers - http://turtlers.com/mclaren-p1-talking-you-to-the-edge/

Bloomberg (1 pic) - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...beyond-f1.html

Jonsibal (includes a render of a P1 GTR in F1 GTR #01R's livery that I don't think many have seen) - http://www.egarage.com/car-profiles/...aled-at-paris/

Auto Types - http://www.auto-types.com/autonews/-...show-9315.html

Mad Whips - http://www.madwhips.com/mclaren-p1-unveiled-in-paris/

Luxury Launches - http://www.luxurylaunches.com/transp..._were_real.php

Fancy Tuning (ignore the unfortunate site name; gallery includes 2 pretty decent shots of McLaren Automotive Design Chief Frank Stephenson Santos) - http://fancytuning.com/2012/10/the-n...ng/#more-21757

Motor Vision - http://www.motorvision.com/artikel/m...-p1,18403.html

Car Design News - http://cdnlive.cardesignnews.com/par...-off-the-pace/

Supercars.net - http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/2901/1.html

BMW Blog - http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/09/30/20...ow-mclaren-p1/

AutoCarsNet - http://www.autocarsnet.com/tag/mclaren-p1/

Engined Beasts - http://www.ebeasts.com/2012/09/paris...-in-flesh.html

Rallyhaus - http://rallyhaus.com/fast-fixation-the-mclaren-p1/

Road & Track - http://www.roadandtrack.com/auto-sho...ren-p1/gallery

Spunk Performance Tuning (I know there's probably some dirty/smart-ass jokes to be made here, but just... don't ) - http://spunkperformancetuning.wordpr...1-concept-car/

Design Our Dreams - http://www.designourdreams.com/mclaren-p1/

OPC Club - http://www.opcclub.co.za/forum/print....php?tid=11987

Reviews-Mine- http://reviewsmine.blogspot.com/2012...irst-real.html

Autogespot - http://www.autogespot.com/paris-2012-mclaren-p1

That'll be all from me for now. Best regards.