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02-23-2011, 05:18 PM | #91 | ||
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Are you looking for French distributors ?? I recently talked to my LHS about new brands possible releases and they answered they haven't been asked to release these new brands... |
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US buyers only pay VAT when buying items in their home state, the price tag on consumer goods is always without VAT, and the store adds it at check out. Just go to the Hannants website and order something having a US address or your own French one and report back to me, Thanks, best regards Luc |
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I do purchase a lot of stuff from another hobby in US stores and never had to pay VAT + customs fees... That's what I would like you to understand, VAT and customs are two different things you're confusing because probably talking about a special case (customs visibly caught your orders !! ) Quote:
But you have to know I didn't wait for you to order something in the US, or anywhere else, as I said it just above I never had to pay VAT in customs for US purchases !! Maybe you order something specialy watched or have amounts that make customs "tilt" on your packages... When I was charged by customs it was for my most expensive orders and biggest packages, and it was from Japan. I don't doubt that US buyers have to pay tax when ordering in their own state (exactly what I said in previous post btw) but you didn't post first about US but about Belgium, and in this case you're wrong, what pleases you or not, and that was confirmed by Steve at Domino, that's precisely what I was pointing out when talking about confusion. You try to apply what happened to you as an universal rule... against good sens... What you think working from US to Belgium can't work from Belgium to US because you have a wrong idea of the reason of these fees !! If customs don't catch your package, you don't have to pay anything !! If you're catch, yes they apply VAT for items entry in the country, but that doesn't mean you didn't already paid it in the purchase price of the selling country which seller has all included prices and has to declare his own VAT, whatever you pay customs fees or not !! I think it's not impossible to understand though, isn't it ? And mostly it's easy to verify. And I verified it myself dozens of times !!! Just try yourself to order something in France and ask a VAT free saying you'll pay it in customs, and listen to laugh of the seller... and report back to me, too !! You were wrong and simply did a mistake posting that by imagining US buyers would have VAT free purchases because you got VAT paid with customs, nobody blame you for that and surely not me, but please accept truth, that's not the rule, I'm sorry to learn it to you and that visibly you won't accept to admit it... As I said, everything is easy to verify, and has already been confirmed by Steve, so I don't have anything more to add... Just try to verify your thoughts by yourself, or call Steve I don't know, if you still think I'm a kind of mad or try to disturb you by controversy pleasure or I don't know what else... it's not that, only a truth willing and for me discussion here is done, we have to let this thread back to what it is, so please PM me if you want to continue it and I'll be please to answer you as we seems to have bith good experience of international purchases but with different issues... |
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Sorry Rallymaster you are wrong here. VAT and Sales tax are not the same but can be considered the same by a consumer. For a business they are very different but for this discussion they are the same thing.
This is how it works. If you are from the US and buy something in THE EU you can reclaim the VAT from the government of the country you bought it in. This is done when it leaves the EU. You have to send in a form with the receipt and the government of that country will send the refund in the post to your address IN THE US. They will not send it to anywhere in the EU. The Item is now tax free until it arrives in the US where you are supposed to declare it to customs and pay import duty. You can try to smuggle it in but you can get caught. So you pay the VAT and then claim it back. And there is a minimum amount they will send and I don`t think these kits will be enough to make it worthwhile. There is no VAT in the US. Each state, county and city collects its own sale tax on items sold in its area. A lot of internet sales have no sales tax because the item is delivered to another state. So if I live in Nebraska and order from a shop in Colorado, there is no sales tax. If I live in Colorado and order from the same shop I will pay sales tax because it is all staying in the same state. If I live in Nebraska and I order from a shop in Colorado that also has a shop in Nebraska I will pay sales tax. So if you live in France and order from the US you normally don`t pay sales tax until you bring it into France where you declare it as an import and pay import duty and VAT. Internet sales in the US are tricky. Above is the general rule but there are exceptions. Some states have different rules and the whole thing is going to change sometime because so much revenue is being lost to internet sales. Sales tax and VAT are NOT the same and if you want to know why I`ll be happy to explain. I know in the UK prices include VAT unless it says otherwise. France is probably the same. In the US all prices exclude tax because each state and city have their own tax rate. It can be a nuisance but it can also be worthwhile going to a different city with a lower tax rate on bugger items. I suppose 20 Euro to ship something to the US isn`t too bad really but when it is considered as a percentage of the kit price it gets a bit shocking. We all know about the $15.00 kit on e bay that cost $20.00 to ship....... |
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And I would like to see someone asking french or belgian goverment (especially belgian one this time ) the VAT of a purchase !! that may be funny... Anyway, and that was the point of my posts, you can't reasonably ask a store in Belgium to sell lower price due to VAT issues... I never saw any store giving information on how to ask VAT back to country where sales are done, and I never saw any buyer trying to ask it !! Theory probably (or even surely) contradicts my point of view and shows Luc's one wasn't inevitably basis lacking but I experienced several times in pratice confirmation of it... And go on thinking it's no sens pretending you can get lower price at stores instead of asking back VAT... or not... But thank you for this input, I learnt that I can ask VAT back each time I buy outside the country which may be funny especially if I don't have to pay to get the orders in hands !!! I think the discussion is now really completed, I take some pills and call my psy to learn how not to talk too fast about commercial rules... |
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But for me the price of the ship is the least important thing right now. |
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I was in contact with a German mail-order company and this is what he (blue text) has to say on the matter (VAT) Hi, I'm wondering if a US citizen mail-orders goods from you, he too has to pay the 19% VAT, like we Europeans do, or if he's exempt from it. In the United Kingdom he doesn't have to, but I don't know about Germany. Thanks Best Regards Luc Janssens Belgium HI European customers must pay the 19% tax, US, Canada, China, Japan not Kind Regards M. I think your fiscal accountant should look into the matter, to see what EU and local laws say on the matter. Maybe you're as a seller are exempt to collect VAT, ones you can prove that the goods went outside the EU, with bank-statements (CC or MO) and customers name, but try to get the info from an accountant. Thanks Best Regards Luc Janssens. Last edited by Luc Janssens; 02-25-2011 at 04:54 AM. |
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02-24-2011, 07:16 AM | #98 | |
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I know when I order from Hannants, they reduce the price by the VAT amount (we don't have VAT taxes here in the US) and that's it. No other taxes are applied. Done. Simple as that.
I can't speak for other countries but for the US--we don't have any taxes applied to incoming purchases from Europe. (Once the government learns they are missing out on this money, who knows what'll happen...) And, yes, 20euros to ship a 30 euro kit is crazy. I'll wait until it gets to the UK or to the US where it is MUCH cheaper to ship. FWIW, I just paid $15 to ship a 1/12 Porsche 935 (massive box) across the US. Why should something 1/7th the size of that cost more than double that because it's international? |
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I saw the sarcasm warning there Rallymaster. I have had the VAT refunded although most of the time it is not worth it.
As for the store, it doesn't make any difference to them. They don't keep the VAT, they pass it on to the government. You walk into a shop and buy something. The price includes the VAT. You pay 20 Euro, shop keeps 15 Euro for their product and sends 5Euro to the government. I walk into shop and do same and then apply for a refund when I leave the EU and the government refunds me the 5 Euro it got from the shop they collected. Shop still gets 15Eur. Internet sales they don't collect the VAT IF they send it outside EU. They just charge me 15 EU for same product. Nobody is asking for the shop to lower their price. racer93 ....... You don't pay VAT to Hannants because they are sending it outside the UK. But legally you aren't done beause you are supposed to declare it when it comes into this country. If you don't you are smuggling!! Remember "it is legal to avoid paying tax but is illegal to evade paying tax." |
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It's a declared value when it comes in. Where is the gubment going to get me to pay that? On my returns? I'm not going to keep that close of a count of what I buy. No way. As well, you're also supposed to pay sales tax (on your returns) for anything you buy on Ebay. Are you (and everyone else here) "evading taxes"? I think so...
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We do have a sales tax (it varies by state). However, when you buy something online, you do not pay tax, except when the online seller is in your state. (Odd, I know.) I was told recently that Ebay purchases are subject to taxing. This I thought was odd and also, how are they going to track it? More scare tactics than anything, I imagine.
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the VAT is paid all 3 months generaly, so you get money during 3 months, if you sells 15 euros, you don't get the 5 euros difference in your pocket !! The VAT is a ghost money except as long as you don't have paid it !! that's why I said asking a store to sell 15 instead of 20 (on which they will refund 5) really is selling cheaper !! You can explain me what you want about VAT process 15 euros will always be cheaper than 20, and having the 5 euros difference in your pocket even for only 3 months can change your business !!! I'm trying to launch my own business (I'll kill the first who laughs or think "badly engaged" ) and those VAT stories etc etc are just the matter of my business plans and these last weeks works... It's economicaly speaking better to sell 20 and paid back 5 three months later than selling 15 euros... (what can be discussed according to logic more than money I agree). Once again I'm really surprised with the theorical rules and their application in reality... In fact, most of the customers aren't informed of their rights, sometimes they can get spoiled (paying all included prices and still having to pay in customs...?! ). that's really not simple thinking to it... And I didn't really think to it before purchasing here and there, US or Asia or even Belgium... thanks for the headache |
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