Srt4 Vs Wrx

[OoNismoO]

the evo has more peak torque than the srt-4. the evo has 273 lb ft at 3500 rpm, and the srt-4 has 245 lb ft at 3200 rpm. i dont need to hear about this displacement bs, and how you can get more out of the srt4, im talking stock.

[youngvr4]

Originally Posted by Steiner

I think the real debate right now is EVO vs. SRT-4. It sounds like the '03 SRT-4's may be a little slower than the EVO while the '04 SRT-4's may be a little quicker. Keep in mind we're talking about .1 and .2 seconds in a 1/4 mile...so it's gonna be a driver's race everytime anyhow.

now someone has went a little over board, evo-8 will destroy the srt-4 no matter what year, and so will the sti.

and in my opinion the wrx would start of faster but the srt-4 would win in the end of the 1/4

[SkylineUSA]

Power and times are one thing. Driving them is were you will seperate all of them.

[Steiner]

Here is a thread of EVO 8 dynos...

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...threadid=35596

Here is a thread of SRT-4 dynos...

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/show...&threadid=3475

You guys can argue all you want about which factory horsepower and torque ratings, but dynos provide empirical data that is not debatable. That being said, I really like both cars...especially the way the EVO handles and the way the SRT-4 sounds. Stock whp is nearly the same for '04 SRT-4's and EVO 8's...around 220-235 depending on boost and temperature. Stock torque is better in the SRT-4 whether it's an '03 or '04...usually between 240-265 depnding on boost and temperature. Stock torque at the wheels for a stock EVO is consistently under 230.

I don't know who would win a race. Probably the all wheel drive EVO if the SRT-4 driver didn't have a great launch.

And to that report of an EVO doing a 13.1 quarter mile of the showroom floor...I call bullshit!

[SkylineUSA]

Steiner,

Dynos are the least reliable data that you can use.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by Steiner

You guys can argue all you want about which factory horsepower and torque ratings, but dynos provide empirical data that is not debatable.

You can argue all you want about hp numbers, but EVO's are still a LOT faster than SRT4's.

EVO owner on another forum

60: 1.72
1/4: 13.02
ets: 103.4


edit: ground kit is my only mod

[SkylineUSA]

You Boys, have not seen an EVO in action, at least one that has been modified. If that was the case, there would be no debate.

[Steiner]

The HP/weight ratio is nearly identical on the EVO's and SRT-4's so it has the making of a good race. I think lots of people get taken in by the "EVO vs. Neon" thing and don't give credit where credit's due. The EVO is in a different class of car...AWD, amazing handling, etc...but it doesn't out class the SRT-4 in the straight-away. The Dodge is lighter and torquier. Maybe I'll race one if I can find one, but this thread is going nowhere.

[OoNismoO]

on the dyno, the srt-4 might pull same number of torque or more than the evo, i dont know about hp, but the evos gonna actually use most of that power on take off, cause of awd. the srt 4 is dynoed on only two wheels without the driveshaft, and all that stuff that goes to the rear wheels, so of course its gonna have less loss, but out on the streets or track, its just doesnt have enough grip like the evo does. when the evo doesnt need all that traction anymore, i think most of its power is sent to its rear wheels. now on the highway, or high speed rolling acceleration, the srt 4 has the advantage, and im sure most of you know why.

im sure that the evo is faster than the srt 4 on 1/4, theres enough gap between all the times, and trap speeds that ive seen, that its obviously faster.

[carrrnuttt]

Ok, this might settle this a bit...

There are a lot of race stories in the SRTforums where basically stock SRT's either keep up or walk stock EVOs.

You might say they were biased, so I went ahead and searched for a race told by an EVO owner himself.

Here's the story told in evolutionm.net:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...&highlight=SRT

Same story in SRTforums.com:
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/show...threadid=15349

You might say that the SRT the EVO raced was modded, since it had the stage1 tune...well, the 2004 SRT-4's come with the stage1 tune STOCK, with the advantage of an LSD.

It's a driver's race.

BTW, to add, Armando (SpyderEclipseGst) went to SpeedWorld here in AZ last Wednesday, and told me story of how his buddie's EVO got chased down in the 1/4 by a 2003 SRT where, despite the obvious advantage the EVO had from the start, the SRT managed to chase it down and actually cross the finish before the EVO. Both cars were modded, I believe.

Edit: Just as I know of stock EVO's running mid-14's, and even 15's at the track, stock 2003 SRT-4's have managed 13.7's on the stock tires. Again, driver's race between a 2004 SRT-4 and a 2003 Lancer EVO.

[SkylineUSA]

I am pretty sure the EVOs going to the states are putting out less hp that ones they get here in Europe.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Edit: Just as I know of stock EVO's running mid-14's, and even 15's at the track, stock 2003 SRT-4's have managed 13.7's on the stock tires. Again, driver's race between a 2004 SRT-4 and a 2003 Lancer EVO.

Comparing the best possible times of an SRT4 with some monkey who can't drive in an EVO just isn't fair. I've seen an SRT4 run high 13's on our 1000 ft track repeatedly, my TS was getting 12.9 with just an intake. So can I say that 2.5TS's are faster than SRT4's now?

Originally Posted by Steiner

The HP/weight ratio is nearly identical on the EVO's and SRT-4's so it has the making of a good race.

You put too much stock in power/weight ratio. There are a grap of other factors. EVO's are faster, deal with it.

SRT4's are great cars, I never said they're not. They'd probably be my 3rd or 4th pick for the $20,000 range. But you're trying to say they're even with a car that's almost a full second faster. Stock EVO's can even trap faster than I've seen any stock SRT4 trap, so it's not just the AWD launch.

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by 92teggsr

Alright just to clear some things up. No matter if 03 or 04 a SRT-4 is not gonna touch an EVO period. Just looking at the numbers out of Motortrend (which is in my opinion the best magazine) the EVO does 0-60 in 4.59 and the 1/4 mile in 13.08. Those are the actual numbers that they came up with and if anyone does not believe me read motortrend June 03. Now the numbers for the SRT-4 for 03 are 13.99 for the 1/4 mile and I'm not sure what the 0-60 was. Something like 5.6sec. The 04 was only slightly quicker and turned the 1/4 mile in 13.89.
I won't even go into handling because the EVO would make the SRT-4 cry. So much for those two cars.
As for the WRX being slightly faster through the 1/4 mile that is untrue. The WRX will do the 1/4 mile in 14.1 which is still slower than the SRT-4. The only place the WRX edges the out the SRT-4 in acceleration is 0-60, which takes the WRX 5.4 seconds.
I hope this cleared some things up and for any non-believers, this is all based on facts from a very respectable car magazine.

Yes a respectable car magazine that has had a bias against Chrysler. Also I was just reading their magazine last night with the GTO on the cover and they had two 1/4 mile times listed for the 2004 SRT-4 and they stated that traction was a problem with the new tires and that they were worse than the 2003 SRT-4's stock tires. Don't fool yourself it is a drivers race for the 1/4 mile. However; I will say that the SRT-4 won't be able to oust it on the track.

A stock 2003 SRT-4 will give an Evo a run for its money, with the Stage 1 you will be beating them, with the Stage 2 you will be dropping them, and with the Stage 3 you will be blowing their doors off. Too bad the Stage 3 isn't street legal. The 2004s come with bigger injectors and an LSD from Quafie. Don't think that the Evo is unbeatable by a car much less exspensive than it. I love the Evo, but it can be beaten the SRT-4. It is a drivers race. I would love to see a side by side with the 2004 SRT-4 and the Evo 8.

[OoNismoO]

why is everyone getting all these lower times for the srt-4, and even the evo? i hope you guys arent being biased, cause im sure as hell not. of all the quickest times i ve seen with good drivers, the evos usually faster in the 1/4, of course considering the srt-4 being stock without those stage upgrades. with street races, your not always sure if you re actually going to the 1/4 mile mark, maybe you re going pass the 1/4 mile distance where the srt-4 has the advantage, and it ll probably pass the evo.

[Steiner]

I think this has now officially become the SRT-4 vs. EVO thread. Sorry for hijacking it, but it's an interesting debate nonetheless. Anybody have an EVO that wouldn't mind racing?