The evo8 or ls1 firebird trans am??

[DVS LT1]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

yeah, b/c drag radials came stock on F birds?

They did - or at least they used to. Arguably the most major upgrade to the inaugural SS Camaro option in 1996 was a set of 275/40-17 BFG G-Force KD's. Besides badging and numbering, the early SS option was really just the ram air hood & box, the rims & tires, and I think a few minor suspension mods (nothing like the beefed up suspension parts the later SS/WS-6 models got).

In one of my old Hot Rod Camaros magazines they tested a '97 SS with the G-Force and pulled off a 13.7 ET @ 102 MPH (actually, sorry they used to run BFG Comp T/A's - which were the predecessor to the G-Force KD's. Very similar tread pattern and compound).

A stock 275/285 HP LT1 Camaro was good for low to flat 14's back in those years. If you think about it, the better tires on the SS option was almost entirely good for that one-quarter to one-third of a second drop in ET's. Although the ram air upgrade in the SS claimed to bump the HP up to 305, that original ram air design was rather poor because it located the air filter at the highest point in the engine compartment and directly atop (literally resting on) the intake manifold. I'd be amazed if this setup would actually show a 5 RWHP increase if bolted on to an otherwise stock 275/285HP LT1 Z28.

And hey, I just realized you said "F-Birds" Flylwsi - and unless you meant to say F-Bodies and not Firebirds then this post is pretty much without direction. Except perhaps that tires can make all the difference in the performance of any car.

[comeonstart]

OK the evo maxx's at about 500hp after mods, Ebay had a firebird that made 1200 hp with dyno slips and detuned to 735hp for the street. Id take LS-1 all day long spend your 5K on an S/C or a turbo and it will eat the evo

[Dodgeramit]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

yeah, b/c drag radials came stock on F birds?

keep in mind the power advantage of the F body...
i'm sure that if you add 60 hp to an evo, it's running the same/faster than the stock F body...
what's the point, exactly?

and a catback on stock F bird isn't going to get you into the 12.60's...
unless you have documented proof on that, i'm not believing it.
at all...

Actually at one time they did, but I never did said they came stock. I said they weren't slicks as you tried to say. If tires make a car not stock, than that's a new one to me. That means when your tires wear out and you put new ones on you have a modified car....or at least that's what your saying. Also there is no difference in power. If you compare the power to weight ratio it is pretty equal and if anything the evo has an advantage with a quicker revving 4 cyl, awd, and a turbo.

If the trans-am is puttin down 12.80's with the stock exhaust then it will definately be in the 12.60's with a cat-back. A cat back exhaust will usually drop a car 2-4 tenths of a second, easy.

Also if you said if you add 60 hp to an evo it wil run the same/faster than a stock f-body, so you basically just said a stock evo can't beat a stock trans-am.
So what's your point, Exactly?

[flylwsi]

my point?
no point really.
i'm not claiming it's faster or any of that BS.

i said it could run in the 12's. end of story.

tires don't make a car not stock?

really?

put a set of R compound tires on a stock car and take it to ANY race, autocross, etc.

what are they going to tell you? it's not stock.

replacing tires with a stock spec tire isn't modifying.

upgrading to something stiffer, stickier and better handling is a modification.
sorry.

[96berettakid]

by the way, new (for America at least) Evo MR has a 0-60 time of 4.3 seconds, .98g on the skidpad, and runs through the slalom at 70.8 mph. it now has 295 lb-ft of torque and 285 horsepower. plus it's 300 lbs. lighter, has revised suspension and ACD. $33,000 and should arrive in the states sometime this year. As of now I don't have any 1/4 mile times.

[Dodgeramit]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

my point?
no point really.
i'm not claiming it's faster or any of that BS.

i said it could run in the 12's. end of story.

tires don't make a car not stock?

really?

put a set of R compound tires on a stock car and take it to ANY race, autocross, etc.

what are they going to tell you? it's not stock.

replacing tires with a stock spec tire isn't modifying.

upgrading to something stiffer, stickier and better handling is a modification.
sorry.

Actually you did say it would run the same/faster than a stock trans-am with 60 more HP,it's all written in black and blue, so your busted there.

Second, Every rule book I have ever seen clearly states to run in the stock class tires must be DOT approved, no wider than 11", and not altered in anyway. B.F. Goodrich Drag Radials are DOT approved so technically they are stock, according to just about every track in the country.

Like I said before

Drag Race - Trans-Am

Road course - EVO

[220swift]

Looked up the EVOs test numbers from road and track and motorweek to get real world 1/4 mile results for the EVO. Road and track reported 13.9 @100.3mph. Motorweek reported 13.8@101mph. Dont believe me see for yourself - here are the links..

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....article_id=691

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2240.shtml

Now for the fbody camaro and firebird - 13.5@108 for the z28 and 13.5@107 for the firebird. SS camaro 13.2@108, firehawk 13.2@107mph..

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2148a.shtml

A common known fact is that GM used the same ls1 engine on the vette and fbodies, but corked up the air intake and exhaust on the fbodies so it wouldnt be too competitive with their flagship. This is why its so easy to buy simple bolt on parts for the fbody resulting in healthy SOTP gains. 12 sec quarters are just a few bolt ons away for an fbody.

Like I noted above I took out a EVO by a few car lengths w/ a ls1 camaro. Gotta give the EVO some credit though as its quicker than a lot of the stangs I roast.

I think the supra turbo and even the wrx sti are much better vehicles than the EVO though. Just dont like the styling, Mitsubishi should put the EVO drivetrain in the eclipse, now were talkin...

[Joseph1082]

Thanks for the dose of realism.

[flylwsi]

so b/c a magazine printed it, it's realism?
owners posting time slips that are faster aren't real?

so let's just go from magazine times for both cars.
not impressive is it?

the evo has been proven to make far more power than the wrx in many areas. and the new sti motor ( the 2.5 ) is brand new... never really been pushed...

[Filthy Sanchez]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

so b/c a magazine printed it, it's realism?
owners posting time slips that are faster aren't real?

so let's just go from magazine times for both cars.
not impressive is it?

the evo has been proven to make far more power than the wrx in many areas. and the new sti motor ( the 2.5 ) is brand new... never really been pushed...

Hmmmm I really don't like EVOs think they're ugly and overrated. They do perform well for a car based on a front driver, sorry I'd take the WRX any day over the EVo, but since the thread is EVO or Firebird my answer Firebird.

[flylwsi]

overrated?
how?
based on a front driver? not really.
the evolution platform shares very little with the actual lancer... more with the world platform lancer than the US spec car.

overrated.
how many 11 second wrx's are there compared to 11 second evo's in the states...

case rested.

[Joseph1082]

Realism is that a car w/ 70+ extra horses and only 200lb. more is going to kill an Evo, that's realism.
Hey, Y not just start the race from a roll.

[Filthy Sanchez]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

overrated?
how?
based on a front driver? not really.
the evolution platform shares very little with the actual lancer... more with the world platform lancer than the US spec car.

overrated.
how many 11 second wrx's are there compared to 11 second evo's in the states...

case rested.

Yes I said overrated and sorry case still in dispute guy, just calm down a little not everyone is going to agree with you you know?

[flylwsi]

so if it's overrated...
how.

[Filthy Sanchez]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

so if it's overrated...
how.

Quite a few around here in the bay area and they just don't put it down on the street. Sorry.